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Apr 24th 2019 at 8:32:56 PM

[up]no the wally being posessed thing is a joke im doing to make fun of parallax being retconned into a fear bug entity posessing hal to absolve him of guilt. im saying johns is gonna make one of the new forces have an entity that made wally go crazy to absolve him of guilt

kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
Apr 24th 2019 at 8:36:48 PM

[up] The thing is, that only worked because it happened 10 years after the fact. There was enough of a gap that you could redeem Hal without it coming across as (too) forced or too soon. Whereas if you did it now after most fans have probally made up their minds already, it still isn't going to look good.

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CharlesPhipps Author from Ashland, Ky Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
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Apr 24th 2019 at 8:47:42 PM

I think we're too the point people would just forget it happened.

No one thinks Gwen Stacy would actually sleep with Norman Osbourne.

So it's not something they have to redeem him from.

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alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California
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Apr 24th 2019 at 9:22:58 PM

I mean, technically Hal was already redeemed for his actions when he died reigniting the sun in Final Night. And then they even brought him back as the Spectre so they could redeem him so more. All Johns did was say, "No, no, he didn't need redemption because it totally wasn't him!"

Of course, if I remember correctly, it kind of was him? I mean, his despair over the destruction of Coast City is what allowed Parallax to take over and Parallax only drove Hal's own desires, right? Eh, it's been a while since I've read Green Lantern: Rebirth.

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kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
Apr 24th 2019 at 9:32:50 PM

[up]I think in Rebirth they tried to say it totally wasn't him, but later waffled on that a bit. It mostly wasn't him, but Parallax couldn't have influenced him if there wasn't anything to influence.

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RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Apr 24th 2019 at 9:33:40 PM

I believe it's stated in Rebirth that Parallax had long infected Hal and was wholly responsible for his actions during his period as Parallax, up to and including his hair going grey at the temples. The exception was Final Night which was Hal's soul shining through.

Cortez Bien chicky starr. from Puerto Rico
Bien chicky starr.
Apr 25th 2019 at 2:24:56 AM

Is it true that Heroes in Crisis demonizes Wally for wanting his family back?

" They truly were an Aqua Teen Hunger Force"
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Apr 25th 2019 at 3:08:15 AM

I assume that everyone else is going to ignore it and nothing in Heroes in Crisis will end up applying in main canon

Hopefully Wally is going to show up in Doomsday Clock, maybe ask why Dr Manhattan is being a dick

Edited by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 on Apr 25th 2019 at 10:09:23 PM

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slimcoder Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armage
Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armage
Apr 25th 2019 at 3:24:41 AM

Heís an Alan Moore creation.

Itís in his nature to be a dick even if heís originally gotten Character Development that made him nicer cause heís still got that Moore stank all over him.

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California
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Apr 25th 2019 at 8:20:10 AM

[up][up][up] From what I read, no it doesn't. From CBR's summary, "Every one of the heroes at Sanctuary were in fact coping and trying to overcome their own personal traumas, just as Wally was. Uncovering all this information at superspeed led to a flood of emotional experiences that momentarily allowed Wally to understand he wasn't so alone after all. While this realization might have initially given Wally some comfort, it all came to him in a comparative instant. Instead of helping to heal him, the onslaught of emotions broke him. In turn, he momentarily lost control of the powers of the Speed Force contained within him. And in another fateful instant, the powers of the Speed Force were unleashed on the other heroes within Sanctuary, killing them instantly."

Edited by alliterator on Apr 25th 2019 at 8:20:21 AM

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Apr 25th 2019 at 10:34:44 AM

WTF! So Wally killed everyone by getting the feels?

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California
professional crastinator
Apr 25th 2019 at 10:43:27 AM

Basically, yes. The feels at super speed though.

Edited by alliterator on Apr 25th 2019 at 10:43:32 AM

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Apr 25th 2019 at 11:16:17 AM

Iím trying to think up a reason why the speed force canít do that but then I remembered that writers have been doing what ever the eff they want with it since Grant Morrison made a suit out of speed force

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California
professional crastinator
Apr 25th 2019 at 1:35:59 PM

Look, Grant Morrison had Wally West outrun death itself by running to the end of time and back. Hopefully this also means that Wally can resurrect everyone he accidentally killed.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
Apr 25th 2019 at 1:40:52 PM

[up]It's still really bad optics either way.

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alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California
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Apr 25th 2019 at 1:45:54 PM

I think King was trying to make a metaphor about how extreme grief and despair can result in destructive actions. I'm not sure it worked, however; it definitely depends on what happens in the last issue.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
slimcoder Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armage
Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armage
Apr 25th 2019 at 1:47:10 PM

I assume this level or type of destruction wasnít the original intention.

Blueace Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Apr 25th 2019 at 1:48:08 PM

Metaphors in comics tend to go into some strange places.

Cortez Bien chicky starr. from Puerto Rico
Bien chicky starr.
Apr 25th 2019 at 4:02:17 PM

So, question.... Why didn't Wally just use the time machine to stop himself from accidentally killing the others heroes by accident?

" They truly were an Aqua Teen Hunger Force"
alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California
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Apr 25th 2019 at 4:19:26 PM

I don't think time travel works that way.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Blueace Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Apr 25th 2019 at 4:22:56 PM

But then, how often is time travel actually consistent?

Cortez Bien chicky starr. from Puerto Rico
Bien chicky starr.
Apr 25th 2019 at 4:37:43 PM

Yeah, time travel has never been consistent. And my point is he doesn't even try.

" They truly were an Aqua Teen Hunger Force"
kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
Apr 25th 2019 at 4:42:28 PM

[up]If I remember right, Wally told Zoom back in Johns' original run that you shouldn't mess with time just to undo a personal tragedy or mistake. I'm guessing Wally is practicing what he preaches.

Edited by kkhohoho on Apr 25th 2019 at 6:44:12 AM

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Cortez Bien chicky starr. from Puerto Rico
Bien chicky starr.
Apr 25th 2019 at 4:46:57 PM

[up]

Except he used time travel to cover up the fact that he accidentally killed the other heroes and framed Booster Gold and Harley Quinn.

" They truly were an Aqua Teen Hunger Force"
kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
Apr 25th 2019 at 4:48:56 PM

[up]...Ah.

In that case I'd say Wally's both a hypocrite and an idiot

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