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no the wally being posessed thing is a joke im doing to make fun of parallax being retconned into a fear bug entity posessing hal to absolve him of guilt. im saying johns is gonna make one of the new forces have an entity that made wally go crazy to absolve him of guilt

The thing is, that only worked because it happened 10 years after the fact. There was enough of a gap that you could redeem Hal without it coming across as (too) forced or too soon. Whereas if you did it now after most fans have probally made up their minds already, it still isn't going to look good.

I think we're too the point people would just forget it happened.

No one thinks Gwen Stacy would actually sleep with Norman Osbourne.

So it's not something they have to redeem him from.

I mean, technically Hal was already redeemed for his actions when he died reigniting the sun in Final Night. And then they even brought him back as the Spectre so they could redeem him so more. All Johns did was say, "No, no, he didn't need redemption because it totally wasn't him!"

Of course, if I remember correctly, it kind of was him? I mean, his despair over the destruction of Coast City is what allowed Parallax to take over and Parallax only drove Hal's own desires, right? Eh, it's been a while since I've read Green Lantern: Rebirth.

I think in Rebirth they tried to say it totally wasn't him, but later waffled on that a bit. It mostly wasn't him, but Parallax couldn't have influenced him if there wasn't anything to influence.

I believe it's stated in Rebirth that Parallax had long infected Hal and was wholly responsible for his actions during his period as Parallax, up to and including his hair going grey at the temples. The exception was Final Night which was Hal's soul shining through.

Is it true that Heroes in Crisis demonizes Wally for wanting his family back?

I assume that everyone else is going to ignore it and nothing in Heroes in Crisis will end up applying in main canon

Hopefully Wally is going to show up in Doomsday Clock, maybe ask why Dr Manhattan is being a dick

Edited by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 on Apr 25th 2019 at 10:09:23 PM

He’s an Alan Moore creation.

It’s in his nature to be a dick even if he’s originally gotten Character Development that made him nicer cause he’s still got that Moore stank all over him.

From what I read, no it doesn't. From CBR's summary, "Every one of the heroes at Sanctuary were in fact coping and trying to overcome their own personal traumas, just as Wally was. Uncovering all this information at superspeed led to a flood of emotional experiences that momentarily allowed Wally to understand he wasn't so alone after all. While this realization might have initially given Wally some comfort, it all came to him in a comparative instant. Instead of helping to heal him, the onslaught of emotions broke him. In turn, he momentarily lost control of the powers of the Speed Force contained within him. And in another fateful instant, the powers of the Speed Force were unleashed on the other heroes within Sanctuary, killing them instantly."

Edited by alliterator on Apr 25th 2019 at 8:20:21 AM

WTF! So Wally killed everyone by getting the feels?

Basically, yes. The feels at super speed though.

Edited by alliterator on Apr 25th 2019 at 10:43:32 AM

I’m trying to think up a reason why the speed force can’t do that but then I remembered that writers have been doing what ever the eff they want with it since Grant Morrison made a suit out of speed force

Look, Grant Morrison had Wally West outrun death itself by running to the end of time and back. Hopefully this also means that Wally can resurrect everyone he accidentally killed.

It's still really bad optics either way.

I think King was trying to make a metaphor about how extreme grief and despair can result in destructive actions. I'm not sure it worked, however; it definitely depends on what happens in the last issue.

I assume this level or type of destruction wasn’t the original intention.

Metaphors in comics tend to go into some strange places.

So, question.... Why didn't Wally just use the time machine to stop himself from accidentally killing the others heroes by accident?

I don't think time travel works that way.

But then, how often is time travel actually consistent?

Yeah, time travel has never been consistent. And my point is he doesn't even try.

If I remember right, Wally told Zoom back in Johns' original run that you shouldn't mess with time just to undo a personal tragedy or mistake. I'm guessing Wally is practicing what he preaches.

Edited by kkhohoho on Apr 25th 2019 at 6:44:12 AM

Except he used time travel to cover up the fact that he accidentally killed the other heroes and framed Booster Gold and Harley Quinn.

...Ah.

In that case I'd say Wally's both a hypocrite and an idiot