Undertale/Deltarune

I'm hoping that there can be a mix and match of the party, sort of like how Xenoblade operates, where everyone's in cutscenes, but only three characters fight whoever's onscreen.

Alright, I am a tad confused. Is Deltarune taking place in the same world as the first game, or is it AU?

OF COURSE I CAN JUST FINISH IT AND FIND OUT.....

Finishing it will not help you find out. The game takes place in 202X, so chronologically speaking, it's later in time than the first game, which was in 201X. That said, there are plenty of things that don't quite match up. The most compelling theory I've seen is that it's a parallel universe within the same multiverse as Undertale, and some things from Undertale have crossed over into Deltarune through interdimensional portals, or vice-versa.

Actually Chara fell in 201X. When the game takes place is likely much later, given that not many of the current monsters know what a human looks like.

For now, just assume they're completely different settings that just so happen to share characters.

To me, Deltarune seems like a sequel to Undertale the same way the numbered Final Fantasy games are sequels to each other. Different universe; similar themes, characters and creatures.

On HomeStuck: I'll drop my two cents in and say that I definitely think it's worth the read/watch/listen. I was with it from the time it started to its close and it was definitely an interesting experience. Who knows, you may even finish before the epilogue comes out. That'll be a thing. Eventually. Probably.

Deltarune reminds me of where Majora's Mask sits in relation to Ocarina of Time. You feel like everything should be connected, and it may be on some level, but most of the similarities between characters end at the surface level.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Nov 17th 2018 at 4:43:16 AM

I'd definitely be up for seeing what the classmates look like in the Dark World. I really dig the classic normal kids stuck in another world setup, but filtered through Undertale's base mythology and quirky characters.

Also Noelle's a very interesting character, much more than what you'd first assume. The character writing so far has been absolutely stellar, Susie received far more depth than I'd have imagined.

Pretty much every major character is written very well, besides Ralsei who's just a tad bit predictable, and Kris who probably needs the second part to be more interesting. Heck, even the bit characters like Rouxls, Seam, and Noelle's dad are enjoyable.

Edited by Weirdguy149 on Nov 17th 2018 at 8:04:10 AM

Well, looks like I got my answers: http://deltarune.wikia.com/wiki/Deltarune

At this point I'm headcannon-ing that it's an alternate timeline where humans and monsters never went to war OR where monsters won the war, which would explain why Kris is the only human in town...

That theory reminds me of the Goosebumps book where the main character interacts with an invisible kid thoughout the book, and at the end it's revealed that the invisible kid is the only human left, and all the other characters in the book were a species of alien who took over Earth and wiped out almost all of humanity years ago.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Nov 18th 2018 at 9:01:08 AM

A twist worthy of Shyamalan.

I just realized that the "You acknowledge the possibility of pain and seizure" line when creating your character isn't referring to "flashing lights" seizure, it's referring to "taking away" seizure, since the game immediately takes away your created avatar.

I personally subscribe to the theory that this is an alternate universe where monsters won the war and humans are either a minority or are typically sequestered off in isolated areas and Kris is a special case.

...Hm. Here's a thought, which is gonna rely on some late Undertale events.. Ralsei's legend talks about how the heroes will banish the Angel's Heaven, whatever that is. What if the Angel is STILL Asriel, as it turned out he was in Undertale's legend? It could be that the world we see in Deltarune is some sort of illusory world created for Asriel's benefit by someone or something (a sort-of-ideal world based on the kind of future Asriel wanted for his people), and the purpose of the Darkners' legend is to end the illusion. Of course, that brings up a lot of questions on its own (namely, who would be able to pull of that kinda thing for Asriel/Flowey, and why? Out of sympathy for Flowey, perhaps?), and it does kinda step on the toes of Toby's statement that the world of Undertale is basically unaffected by Deltarune.

I think that's absolutely a line of thought that's plausible and worth considering... It would be a satisfactory answer to what the "Angel's Heaven" is, and what "banishing" it might entail.

I wouldn't worry about what Toby said regarding Deltaune's association to Undertale too much when speculating, at least in taking it to mean there can't be a connection between the games... After all, his exact words were:

"I will say that basically, what you're seeing here is not the world of UNDERTALE. UNDERTALE's world and ending are the same as however you left them. If everyone was happy in your ending, the people in the UNDERTALE world will still be happy. So, please don't worry about those characters, and that world. It will remain untouched."

The keywords being if and that world. If everyone wasn't happy in your ending, then... Who's to say that applies?

This is one theory I have about Deltarune's story; Maybe it will go the route of one world being an illusion and the other being real. However, it's the Light World that's fake and the Dark World that's real. Like, the Light World is a happy fantasy that the Lightners subjugate themselves to, while the Dark World is the harsh reality that the Darkners are trapped in.

Hrm... Been talking with friends about stuff, and I think I've sorted out a quandary I've had about a seeming inconsistency in the Legend of Delta Rune — the prophecy that Ralsei relates — and tied it to a guess at what the bizarre area that Kris and Susie fall into at the start of the game actually is.

The inconsistency being when the Heroes' are stated to appear. Specifically, according to the legend as written, they're only meant to arrive there and begin their mission to seal the Fountains after the calamity caused by the balance of Light and Dark being shattered.

"The sky will run black with terror. And the land will crack with fear. Then, her heart pounding... The EARTH will draw her final breath.
Only then, shining with hope... Three HEROES appear at WORLDS' edge."

It's very deliberate that the Delta Warriors are only meant to appear after the Earth's demise. And notably, this is the only use of "EARTH" in the legend... Everywhere else uses "WORLD" or "WORLDS," seeming to suggest a distinction, albeit not an obvious one (also notable is that "worlds' " is very specifically a plural possessive, "worlds' edge" means "the boundary between more than one world."

So assuming that this prophecy is written correctly, that it's not misleading or mistaken, that we're meant to wonder why it is that Kris and Susie arrive not from after a great calamity but instead fall into this place from a weird hallway covered with torn papers that appeared where a supply closet should have been...

Then who's to say it's not accurate? That the Earth died long ago, and that the bizarre, barren, lifeless place Kris and Susie find themselves in is what remains of it? The intermediary between two distinct and separate other worlds... The Light World and the Dark World. (it may be worth noting that they have to fall into "worlds' edge"... and then fall again to get to Ralsei's Kingdom of Darkness.)

Obviously this wouldn't answer all the questions, and would certainly raise some more, but I am fond of this idea, and think it would at least be a satisfactory answer to that inconsistency.

Edited by RegisteredUser on Nov 20th 2018 at 6:03:39 AM

Suggesting it's a sort of built up, After the End slice of paradise people created to avoid the end of the world?

Given how fond of the MOTHER series Toby is, I could see that, because that's the gist of Mother 3's big Wham Episode at the start of the endgame.

Edited by NaraNumas on Nov 20th 2018 at 8:04:57 AM

I did get the sense, traveling through that area, that it was the abandoned Underground from the end of Undertale. It was only later that the inconsistencies really started adding up and I figured it couldn't be.

Reading that, I came to a different conclusion: the Earth hasn't ended yet, and the prophecy has yet to come to pass. That will happen in a later part of the game, and the Earth drawing its final breath will be the darkest moment before our heroes step up.

I think that there's too little information to go off of right now. I'm thinking that whenever the full game comes around, we'll get a better understanding on what's going on, like how Undertale's demo ended.

Thanks.

Edited by Weirdguy149 on Nov 20th 2018 at 9:48:19 AM

Toby said that the game won't be released in chapters. Think of the current Deltarune as a demo, and the full game will be released in approximately 999 years or so.

Interestingly, there's one other time when the word 'Earth' is used specifically: But The Earth Refused To Die.

I wonder if that's significant, since it's also talking about the Earth dying.

Edited by RedSavant on Nov 20th 2018 at 9:57:54 AM