Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Is this just me or is there more extra material than usual?

I wish they had kept the scene in the elevator and the "you and you" moment.

The Patton Oswald speech is great, but I think it works better as extra-material anyway. That is the kind of stuff for a You Tube clip….

I get why they took out the hug scene...it would have left even more questions open.

Also, Alicia Vela-Bailey (stuntwoman for Adrianne Palicki) breaks down some of her stunts. The AOS section starts here.

So im watching this season and so far and...

Cassius is a ok villian but it just seen weird and meandring the whole be in the future stuff, specially since there is ANOTHER plot thread around, he remind of hive...but better, but then again that is not a hard thing to do.

I have to admit I didnt see Coulson fear be a total recall/pokemon creepy pasta thing around it, it make sound realistic the way coulson could be faking all of it.

Also...DEATHLOK! our favorite black hero with a death metal band name is back, cool to see him around.

And....did Daisy call fitz Leopold to reference is Hydraself? that is....wow, granted I feel the show just kinda brush off the whole hydrafitz stuff.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Just you wait. *sobs quietly*

I mean I will be honest here: I feel fitz actor sell him being hydra agent WAAAAAAAAY better than ward.

Maybe because ward hydra was just....regular ward but evil, but fitz as hydra agent? now that is a scary ass motherfucker.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

I think season 5 had an issue with both arcs being two episodes too long. But that is only an issue because we are not used to see this kind of meandering from Ao S.

That and tobias is kind of right: is hard to be invest in something when the resolution is pretty much undo it by time travel, specially when the stuff here is some weird drama between kree slaver.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Which is why I am glad that they went for the multiverse theory. If this future still exists, it is good to know that even in this reality humanity has a chance.

Why has time-travel gained such stigma as a plot device?

Just because you reverse something by traveling in time doesn't mean the experience you had prior to that time travel no longer matters. I feel like time travel gets a bad reception because there's this assertion that nothing matters if it's all reversed.

But then look at Groundhog Day. All of the experiences the main character has add up to him becoming an arguably better person by the end of the story. Look at Back To The Future. Only certain things change, but the story is still more or less about the Doc and Marty fixing what they changed.

You're still watching/reading a story where several good or bad outcomes occur. The tragedy, romance, or drama that takes place in the moment is what matters, and often leads to further irony/tragedy if the protagonists lose their memory of what happened, or if there is still a bad outcome left in the timeline that time travel can't fix.

Plus, often enough time travel fixes things only partially - like yes, a past version of Fitz is still alive, but Jemma still grew attached to the future version of him who began his Start of Darkness. We now know that Fitz has that darkness inside of him. Being able to grab pre-Crazy Fitz doesn't make all of that character development go away. It's ripe for foreshadowing. The journey the future version of Fitz went through isn't irrelevant because time-travel exists. It's more relevant than ever. And the same goes for any time travel story that goes beyond a season or two.

Edited by Soble on Oct 10th 2018 at 2:46:10 AM

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Honestly, I mostly dislike time travel because most shows don't bother to be consistent regarding the rules. The only ones I liked is stuff like "Voyagers!" (where the time travel kind of happens independent from historic events) and I actually enjoyed Ao S takes of it because they took their audience serious enough to discuss the theories connected to it.

Space Time while not directly time travel is still one of my favourite episode just for the scene in which Fitz explains time.

Because is serve a good way the show can be edgy and lethal while pushing a reset botton.

Fitz is a good example, it didnt matter all the awfull shit he did, he just have a good fitz somewhere in space.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Uh, not really. The "good" Fitz still went through everything that the "bad" Fitz did (pre-S5), so is still capable for doing all that stuff.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 10th 2018 at 11:09:28 AM

But he isn't responsible for what this Fitz get because we can't get judged for what we might be able to do, only for what we actually did do. This Fitz will have different experiences and they might be able to help him with his mental state before he goes over the line this time around.

Time travel is just overexposed lately. Like anything, it can be done well, but there's just too many recent shows that have abused it for cheap drama without really making the most of its potential. So people see it and their enthusiasm is automatically reduced because of that carried-over disappointment.

The time travel this past season wasn't the worst I've seen, but it just seemed so unnecessary, going on for so long without really ever paying off. Enslaved humans on an alien mining ship is something that could have just as easily happened in the present, and knowing that the agents themselves were always going to go back to the past absolutely lowered the stakes on a lot of different conflicts. Not Fitz, Fitz's subplot worked and was the one thing you couldn't do without time travel, but the rest of the arc just goes on for so long. If the whole thing had been about four episodes, maybe five or six, I think they could have sold it. But ten?

Edited by Unsung on Oct 10th 2018 at 12:25:24 PM

Like I said, both arcs were a little bit too long.

Yeah, I was hoping that they would do a three-pod arc, like Season 4. Season 4 really had the best length for each arc.

Full agreement there. To be clear here: More or less every other Comic book show is worse in this regard. But Ao S has usually such a fast pace, it is just noticeable when it starts spinning its wheel a little bit...and usually it's something between three and four episodes too many. In season 1 it was mostly the period between TRACKS and the Fall of Shield arc, season 2 mostly avoided it outside of the one episode with Daisy's father collect all those heroes, season 3 had the issue at the start of the second half, season 4 is the only one so far which avoided the problem altogether.

But I guess season 6 will be shorter so it shouldn't be a problem anymore….

Season 1 had the entire first part of the season (I'd say up until "The Magical Place," which is probably when it starting to get better). Season 2 has the entire "Real SHIELD" arc, which kind of went nowhere. And Season 3 had the "Fallen Agent" arc, which should have been much shorter. We should have gotten at least a few episodes with the Secret Warriors before Daisy was turned.

Season 4 is praised a lot because of the Framework arc, but also because it pretty much seamlessly transitions between arcs, even having two "mini" finales, as opposed to one mid-season finale.

I'll defend the Real Shield arc because it gave us two of my favourite episodes. I also wouldn't say that it lead nowhere because the additional resources and the monolith had to come from somewhere.

I'll give you the Monolith, but I don't remember anything else from the Real SHIELD having any sort of impact — not even the aircraft carrier they now have, which might have come in handy. And the entire "Council" thing just sort of goes away.

The arc does have some great episodes, like "Melinda," but I think they work in spite of the overall arc, rather than because of it.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 10th 2018 at 1:37:01 AM

More "gets killed away".

It also gives Daisy the reason to flee to Afterlife. And is a great excuse to show the fall of shield again from another perspective.

Though there is still a dangling plot threat...what happened to the guy Daisy stabbed?

He woke up in another universe and became Ricardo Diaz on Arrow.

I suport that theory, if anything because I kept saying that steven from wonder woman reincarnated in Capitan america, is perfect.

Now when it come to resolutions...it depend, I guess? Garret was good but I found is ending to meandring and still full of that wheedonian irreverance that is just grating nowdays, Hive was....cool in most part but the fact he was just sort of there make him loss impact very quickly.

Cassius is just....bland,, he remind me of those young fiction villians who talk a lot for some reason.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

But Steve Trevor and Steve Rogers are played by different actors.

All Steves are one. When they die, they return to the All-Steve.