Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru

The driver was Hikki. What a twist.

We're pretty certain it's Yui who was walking the dog because you can see her fairly clearly in Hikki's flashback.

I don't think it was Yukinon who was driving the car, she already said that she met Hikki for the first time in the clubroom and she supposedly does not lie (so if she's lying, she'd be a hypocrite). More likely it was Silver Hair.

Well, technically I doubt any of them were driving the car because it happened when they were all below driving age.

Although until this conversation I didn't think it even mattered who was in the car. I can see how it might, but I don't think the story is obligated to make that an issue.

Correct; you have to be eighteen or so in Japan to own a full license, and even if any of them were eighteen it doesn't seem likely that they'd drive to school in such a nice car.

Well, if it was just some random person, they'd probably show some random businessman apologizing. They hid the occupants of the car. Conservation of detail, y'know?

Fire, air, water, earth...legend has it that when these four elements are gathered, they will form the fifth element...boron.

Maybe they had a butler?

I did naht.

Well, if I know my anime tropes only rich people drive to school and they always have professional drivers (which may or may not overlap with butlers). Although it's probably not impossible for it just to be their mom or something.

edited 28th Apr '13 9:35:04 AM by Clarste

Yukinon looks stacked.... Hmmmmm.

I did naht.

Would you believe someone who claims to never lie?

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Rather than someone who claims to always lie.

"No, the Singularity will not happen. Computation is hard." -Happy Ent

That's not really the Liar Paradox, since that could just be a lie, and nothing would refute it. The opposite isn't always telling the truth, it's not always lying.

Anyway, she's a bit of a tsundere, and as such, not all too honest about what she really wants. Hence lying.

edited 28th Apr '13 11:14:56 AM by AnotherDuck

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I doubt Yukino would be in the car anyway, since it wouldn't add much to their relationship. He'd snark about it, but he's not the type to hold a grudge over something like that, or at least not more of a grudge. And I guess she might feel guilty or something, but if she already knows about it then it's already not affecting how she treats him. And it's hard to see how she wouldn't know about it if she was in the car.

Maybe it's just something he keeps at the back of his head, and when she brings up never lying, he just gets one step closer in bringing it up. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a falling out and that thing was the argument first thrown at her. Stripping her of her "honest" look.

edited 28th Apr '13 6:08:06 PM by Jigaboo

I did naht.

Rather than lying, Yukino looks like to type to withhold information, or only tell part of the truth.

And exaggerating and assuming.

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Isn't telling part of the truth just the same as lying?

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Not me, but there are people who do think that.

It depends on how you do it. If you're just being silent about the whole truth, it's not really lying. If you on the other hand withhold some information to cause what you do reveal to be misinterpreted, it's still not technically lying, but just as bad, if not worse.

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Episode 5, raw:

Most of the episode is spent trying to solve silver-haired girl's problem. Against her will. Technically the request was given by her little brother, who is Komachi's friend. A happy loving story about families caring about each other, but also very pointless and irrelevant. Girl shows no particular interest in Hikki at any point and in fact seems vaguely disgusted by him in a way much more personal than the others (because of his dream of not working, while she's trying to work her way through college). I like the fact that it's not harem-ish at all, and hardly even a love triangle at this point because Yukino continues to fade into the background.

Which isn't to say there isn't any "Romcom". The fact that Komachi was participating led to her meeting Yui, which led to her revealing who the dog-owner was to Hikki. Hikki concludes that this is why Yui pays so much attention to him and is essentially disgusted. He even gives a monologue about how he hates kind girls because they get his hopes up (which ties nicely into pretty much every interaction he's had with girls in his flashbacks). It's all played very dramatically though, which feels a bit dissonant to me. But it works somehow? This seems like exactly the sort of thing Hikki would get dramatic about.

No, I don't know why I felt compelled to give a summary either.

-Watches episode 4- Oh ho, that Giorno Giovanna pose had me laughing to the floor. Still tryin' to recover from the laughter actually.

Not sure if someone pointed this out yet, but did anyone think the opening of this is kinda similar to Amagami SS's second opening? In certain parts, maybe? Since I was fond of that opening, I find myself liking this one as well.

edited 3rd May '13 6:26:49 AM by danna45

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Definitely, I had same impression about OP

edited 3rd May '13 7:26:41 AM by Tenzen12

Pretty much agree, but once again I find an odd piece of meta which doesn't quite fit.

This episode it was that Otaku guy stating that the maid cafe didn't go like it would in a romantic comedy, which I don't think works for numerous reasons (because it's delivered by him, because it seems unlikely anyway, and because there is little to no subversive framework to back it up in this show). It's not actually bad, it's just out of place.

"Nullius addictus iurare in verba magistri, quo me cumque rapit tempestas, deferor hospes."

I just want to say, Saki walked into that one. But at least she wasn't particularly upset or blaming him for it. More than her usual dislike, at least.

That one-hit-kill about the teacher being single was funny. A tired and rather ignorant argument (like many others in the show), but funny. She deserved it.

The maid café bit just seemed out of place. There was absolutely no purpose to it, and it didn't fit the mood of the rest of the episode.

I don't get why Hikki was at all surprised at Yuki pointing out he has no friends.

Honestly, I think Saki seems to respect Hikki more than she lets on, or cares to admit herself. And maybe even more than the other two girls. Not more than his sister.

I don't think Yui has any cause to call out Hikki on misunderstanding her intentions. She's never given him a reason to believe otherwise, but many reasons for him to believe it is just an act, and by now she should know him well enough to know how he thinks. If she bothered to try, that is.

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Zaimokuza was just having one of his chuuni delusions.

Episode 5:

• @ danna Yes, the OP definitely resembles 2nd season Amagami's.
• Noticeable worse art and animation.
• Mean Yukinon is mean.
• Silver Hair's part wasn't all that interesting. We did get to see Hikki, Yuki and Yui dressed up though. And I guess we did get stuff about Yukinon's background.
• Of course the highlight of the episode is Hikki's confrontation with Yui. Easy to see why Hikki felt bad— he thinks Yui was being nice to him out of some mixture of guilt and natural niceness (and this notion is not really helped by his past experiences). The sad part is that this was probably partially true.

I think Yui was hurt because, well, truth hurts. Even partial ones.

And we all know the maid cafe only happened to put Yui and Yuki in maid outfits. And maybe padding.

edited 3rd May '13 8:59:22 AM by fillerdude

Oh, it's certainly understandable why she's hurt. It's not like the series has shied away from the "truth hurts" angle, mostly directed at Hikki. I just don't think she can rightly blame him for it. He didn't make her bed.

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I really wonder where they're going with Yuki. I was willing to give her initial harshness a pass, in the sense that, "okay, maybe it's been a while since she's done much socializing, maybe she's rusty." But no, that's her personality. She's nice enough to Yui ("nice enough," not "nice"), but that makes me think less of her for the way she treats Hikki, because he's not really done anything to merit the way she treats him. To the contrary, he reached out to her once or twice before her behavior made him decide it was pointless. If she can demonstratively be civil to someone who is doing nothing to offend her, then she's treating him that way because she wants to, not because she doesn't know better.

Hikigaya has disillusionment issues and a facade of apathy, but he's fundamentally a good person. We don't need access to his thoughts to see that, because it shows in his actions — if anything, his thoughts are just excuses as to why he's not ''really' being nice, he's actually doing x. Yuki is not a good person.

About the ending... There's really two kinds of loneliness: 1)No one notices me, and 2) no one cares about me. A person who is nice to everyone, regardless of who they are, can really help the first kind of person, but if you act like that to the second then they'll reject you. "If you accept everyone, then it has nothing to do with them and everything to do with you," or, "unconditional acceptance doesn't accept individuals for who they are, it ignores them" basically sum up the thought process.

Hikigaya is pretty firmly set in the second mentality. It's part of why he reacts so positively to Saika — Saika is someone who seems to care about him, Hikigaya Hachiman, not just people in general. Yui seemed like someone that was reaching out to him in particular, even if she was nice to everyone. If a person with the second mentality thinks that's the case, and then they find reason to believe otherwise, it's basically a Berserk Button — it's a social attack right to the heart of their issues, and no one takes that well.

I like this show much more than I expected to. The main character is both realistic and interesting.