RWBY General Discussion

Regarding the video about sniping enemies considering some of them were going there expecting a trap it would probably not go that way since they should already have it on.

Honestly with the state of the world currently anytime they are outside of a major city aura should probably be always turned on.

They clearly don't, though, as we've seen the characters get hit by surprise attacks in the middle of a fight.

I haven't watched in a while, but are those situations where the person was injured and before the person's aura broke down?

Because you can still get knocked around with aura on if I am not mistaken.

Yes. That very episode shows Hazel getting pierced, and he had no aura break.

The same fight had Ruby getting taken out by a blow to the back of her head while trying to activate her silver eyes.

Considering Hazel's semblance not sure how much of a good example he would make. He doesn't feel pain and most people probably don't expect a lancer stinger to run them through in the middle of a city.

When looking for the episode to see when he was stabbed. I would Vernal would probably have been a better example since the plan was to stab Cinder in the back she probably should have been ready for a situation where Cinder decides to try and kill them.

Eh? His fights scenes are already cool. They're his only redeeming feature.

Edited by Moth13 on Jun 23rd 2019 at 5:24:18 AM

He was in the middle of a fight. Even if he's not expecting the specific case of being run through by a lancer, there are many more situations that would require his Aura being up during a fight. His Semblance is just blocking out pain, not being invulnerable.

His fights scenes may be cool, but Adam himself isn't. Not nowadays, anyway. Yes, he pulls off some impressive moves, but he is never allowed to do anything that would make the viewers admire some trait of his. Had he imitated King Bradley and kept on fighting without arms, it would show that he is extremely resilient and, in this aspect at least, superior to the heroes. But that would run counter to the narrative, so it's not an option.

He was pretty much knocked out of everyone elses range and the person that could summon things was just impaled he didn't exactly have a reason to think anyone had a skill capable of dragging him back into the fight without him walking back to it on his own. Never said he was invulnerable just that blocking out pain makes it less of a priority especially if you injecting yourself with dust.

Edited by Darthwyn on Jun 23rd 2019 at 5:46:25 AM

Oh man King Bradley, he was real motherfucker alright.

Guy took out a tank with a sword & proceeded to stab someone with the broken blade of his sword in his mouth after both his arms got blown off.

Yes, and he was there because seconds earlier he'd been knocked out of a building by a super-strong girl wielding a hammer, in the middle of a large fight with several participants. He really should have put his Aura up before even entering the building, let alone during that specific moment in the fight.

Knocked out there by a close range fighter so unless she followed him out there he has no reason to turn it back on until he returned to the fight he was involved in. Especially if he has a decent idea of how everyone else in that melee doesn't exactly have a means to drag him back that he would know of. Which goes back to no one would have expected sudden lancer queen appearance.

You're not getting my point. The Lancer summon is irrelevant; Hazel should have had his Aura up the entire time, from the moment he entered the building onwards, or at the very least from the moment it became clear the situation would turn into a fight, or when he spotted Ozpin, the guy he hates most in the whole wide world. That he didn't have it on when the Lancer speared him is just a part of it. It's the fact that throught the entire fight Hazel at no point put up the special shield that makes people invulnerable to things up until it breaks that seems like a major oversight, one that eventually allowed him to be speared by said Lancer summon.

As a matter of fact, I can't remember a single participant in that battle being shown to put their Aura up at any point. We know Weiss did so because hers is actually shown breaking, but we didn't see if any of the others' ever put theirs up, and since we never saw any of their Auras break (as far as I remember) but most of them got hurt at different points, we could presume that absolutely no one put their Auras up for that fight, which, again, kind of an oversight on the part of the trained warriors.

Edited by TheLovecraftian on Jun 23rd 2019 at 7:32:42 AM

Or it means their auras broke off-screen.

Sure. It might also mean they all put their Auras up offscreen as well. But then, two things:

Why establish different visual effects for Aura being enabled, being hit and being disabled if you don't use those to indicate anything when the time to use them actually comes?

And why establish a rule about Aura in order to preserve dramatic tension in fights and then not use that in a fight? Because knowing who could be hurt and who couldn't during the climax of that volume might have made that battle a lot more interesting and raised the stakes a bit. Plus, having characters activate and deactivate their Auras offscreen all of the time not only robs the show of tension, it means the writers can excuse just about anything with "oh, but this character's Aura just happened to not be up at the time", which makes it look suspiciously more like a way to excuse forgetfulness than a creative decision of it's own.

On a note vaguely related to my complaints about the portrayal of racism; Don't you think the show suffers from a minor case of Protagonist-Centered Morality? I'm mostly referring to how nonchalant team RWBY is about using violence for their purposes. During their fight with the paladin they pay absolutely no attention to the cars being thrown around and they show no remorse or hesitation while throwing the White Fang mooks off a speeding train. In the flashback, Blake is shown resenting Adam because he accidentally — as far as she knows, at least — killed some people during his mission, but now she is perfectly willing to engage in killing herself? On a lesser note, why is everyone so angry about Ozpin keeping secrets from them after they went on a raid behind his back and hid the fact that one of them has a terrorist past?

They are fighting and using their semblances. Unless they are already low on Aura, common sense dictates that they use Aura to fight. And later we saw them all exhausted, which indicates that their Aura is running low/depleted. A lot was off-screened during the battle of Haven, so why not their Aura breaking as well?

Hazel is also perhaps not the best argument, since while he was impaled by a stinger, he suffered zero injuries from being impaled. Since he also didn't feel any pain, it means that his semblance and by extension his Aura was active. All the stinger did was drag him back. Just to compare, Weiss was dying because she was impaled and had no more Aura.

I've said this: it kills tension, because then there's no frame of reference for whether people are in actual danger or not. Also, excusing part of a fight by saying that the whole thing was already bad to begin with isn't really the best defense.

Yes. For no stated reason. Which makes no sense, as people taking no damage from being impaled has never been established in the show. I think I even called that out back when that episode aired. What's your point with that statement, though? Because that doesn't really clear him from being an example.

But if his Aura was active, then he shouldn't have been impaled in the first place. Aura is supposed to be an impenetrable shield up until it breaks. Momentum is maintained, but injuries don't occur. He can't be impaled if his Aura is up.

Killing someone in self defense in contrast to murdering someone because you want to then lying about it is so absurdly different that its actually dumbfounding to compare them.

It completely ignores all context to create a false comparison.

And the show has never said its not okay to kill.

Literally zero protagonists ever even pretend to express the idea that its bad. Blake was appealed when she realized he was doing it because he liked it and not for any actual cause.

If anything some audience members are guilty of trying to shove "Only good guys dont kill" onto the cast, usually so they can say Yang and Blake are somehow bad for killing Adam in self defense.

Edited by Slater130 on Jun 23rd 2019 at 6:23:23 AM

Appealed?

Why did she leave then?

Also, I don't ever want to see a villain with stretchy Grimm arm again.

They almost always look so lame. Yes, even Cinder.

Edited by dRoy on Jun 24th 2019 at 12:12:22 AM

What about flaying arm-car tube Grimm?

Especially flaying arm-car tube Grimm.

Um, no? She chastised Adam for killing even when she was convinced his kills were accidents and/or self-defence. And that's not even starting to unravel Ghira's "fuck you if you kill the guy shooting at me" attitude, or the general "violence is not the solution" sentiment of the White Fang arc, which concluded with Blake encouraging her people to defeat the group with armed force. The show goes out of its way to prove that violence is unacceptable, unless it's the heroes using it.

Besides, the main characters have used force in situations when it could not even be considered self-defence, Yang's original appearance being the chief example.

Edited by Tharkun140 on Jun 24th 2019 at 11:10:33 AM

There's some Early-Installment Weirdness combined with What Measure Is a Mook? in play. By all means, Junior and the Twins were likely meant to be one-offs for Yang to style on (since I think one of the grips with the Black trailer was that Adam did most of the cool stunts compared to Blake just being a second banana) before they received a minor role in V2, and we all know how well nameless muscle is treated in media, let alone masked nameless muscle.

As a reminder, White Fang Lieutenant remains nameless still. With an exception of Red-Haired Woman, he's like the sole nameless person with voicelines. Hell, people with no voicelines who exist only to be punked by protagonists still have names (like the teams fought in 4v4's)

Edited by FergardStratoavis on Jun 24th 2019 at 12:49:52 PM