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Feb 9th 2019 at 5:59:35 PM

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I think the role of the Beast rotates between Adam, Blake and Yang.

Adam represents the origin of the Beast. A (relatively) normal boy with blue eyes, named Adam who gets transformed into a beast because of a great injustice done to them. In Adam's case, the transformation is metaphorical and in the original tale, the transformation into a beast was a major case of Disproportionate Retribution. After that he becomes Gaston, which is fitting since in the movie, Gaston is what the Beast could've become if he didn't change his ways. Being praised a hero, Adam grew a sense of entitlement and believed he deserved the Beauty and later sets out to kill the Beast and in the end falls down the cliff. Adam is also the Cursed Rose, as he is a curse that hunts Yang and Blake, who both suffered some PTSD. Adam has also a rose motive to reflect that.

Blake represent the Beast, as she is a brooding, anti-social anti-hero with a dark past, the beast that descends from shadows. She has to learn how to overcome her negative traits, which she manages to the efforts of a Beauty (Yang) and a good friend, who wants her to mend things (Sun/Lumiere). And later, a jealous guy is out to kill her, just like how Gaston wanted to kill the beast. The beauty comparisons are obvious, I would say.

Yang is the one who manages to bring the beast out of her shelter, the beauty who burns like gold. Later she is seen as the main competition by the guy, whom Blake had rejected, just like how Gaston was jealous of the Beast. Both also also can't comprehend what Blake/Belle sees in her/him. When she blocked Adam's moonslice, her roboarm got damaged in the same way, the Beast got scarred when he protects Belle from wolves. Just like the Beast, Yang allows Adam to leave, which he then rejects. In the 2018 movie the Beast is also afraid that Belle may leave her, which also mirrors Yang's abandonment issues. The song Evermore is about how Belle will not leave the beast. The song Nevermore is a reference to that.

Now, I'm just waiting for the White Fang Lieutenant to turn up again and reveal that he is the Lefou to Adam's Gaston.

Edited by bandersnitch on Feb 9th 2019 at 5:59:58 AM

Feb 10th 2019 at 5:21:59 AM

Someone on the Kingdom's discussion page (see here) wants to create Mistral subpage because of the size of Mistral. I've suggested they come here to discuss splitting Kingdom pages rather than doing it off their own back (they also want to move Raven from Mistral to Vale because of the Volume 5 Stinger).

Now, we did discuss splitting the pages by Continent, and sandboxed the potential split. We didn't finish that discussion because the volume was in full swing at that point (the last point in the discussion we got to was agreeing that Cordovin needs to be moved to Atlas rather than her current location of Mistral), but I've kept the sandbox page active. It will need to be updated for the end of the volume, but I can do that this afternoon. It won't take very long at all. The sandbox is now up-to-date with the contents of the Kingdom page.

Anyway, the sandbox is still in my signature. For those who don't have signatures activated, it's here: Sandbox.Web Animation RWBY Characters.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Feb 10th 2019 at 4:35:35 PM

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Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The Arch-Douchebag
Feb 10th 2019 at 5:44:46 AM

Since we are discussing character placement again, isn't having Ilia listed in Menagerie kind of... devoid of a reason? She is not a location-locked character by any means. Sure, she stays in Menagerie for most of her screentime but we see her in Forever Fall in the flashback, she is stated to come from Mantle and she was last seen in Mistral. Why was she moved from "Friends and Allies" page again?

Or an even better question: Why not put her back in the "White Fang" character page? I know that she defected, but she is a member in the beginning and throughout most of her storyline.

Edited by Tharkun140 on Feb 10th 2019 at 2:45:12 PM

unknowing "GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!" from somewhere..
"GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!"
Feb 10th 2019 at 6:45:19 AM

Soble: of course you are better, you are people after alltongue

Now about adam being gaston.....yeah, in that way I could see the conection, I still think the story have plenty of issues but I can see it.

"There is only one truth in this life and that is DESPAIR!"
Feb 10th 2019 at 7:43:58 AM

[up][up][up] I've got no problem with that, since she was written out of the story when the White Fang part of the storyline was written out. She's obviously going to be part of whatever new equality group Ghira sets up, but that's all happening off-screen. I also have no strong feelings about where Ilia should be placed, so I'm happy for her to go wherever people decide. The only thing I did object to was putting her onto the Friends and Allies page, as that was only for the main cast's travelling group.

That said, the Continent split is putting Menagerie onto the Anima page because there isn't enough to justify a separate page for Menagerie, and Menagerie was tightly associated with the Anima storyline (it's also located off the coast of Anima on the map, and the White Fang links in Menagerie were on the basis of the High Leader's location in Anima).

Edited to add: The Sandbox is now up-to-date with the contents of the Kingdom page as of this moment. As anticipated, it didn't need much updating and didn't take very long.

The only question is whether this is how we want to do the split, and if there's anything we want to move around in the process.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Feb 10th 2019 at 4:36:57 PM

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TheLovecraftian Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Feb 10th 2019 at 8:55:30 AM

So, it's been a week since the end of the volume. How're everyone's rankings for the volumes looking now? Mine's 3, 6, 2, 1/4, 5.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A*
Feb 10th 2019 at 8:57:40 AM

[up] I'd say 3 > 6 > 1 > 4 > 2 > 5

Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The Arch-Douchebag
Feb 10th 2019 at 9:15:37 AM

3 > 4 > 6 > 1 > 2 > 5. And yes, I like Volume 4 more than most people.

Edited by Tharkun140 on Feb 10th 2019 at 6:16:09 PM

MABfan11 from Remnant Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Feb 10th 2019 at 9:19:25 AM

3 > 6 > 4 > 2 > 5 > 1

Bumbleby is best ship busy spending time on r/RWBY and r/anime
Feb 10th 2019 at 9:48:19 AM

6 > 3 > 5 > 4 > 2 > 1.

4's pacing didn't bother me, the soundtrack, world-building, and the fights were great. I liked Volume 5 right up until the final battle.

Edited by Soble on Feb 10th 2019 at 5:39:56 AM

-deep breath- FIGH-TIIIIIIIING GOOOOOOOOLLLD!!!!
unknowing "GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!" from somewhere..
"GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!"
Feb 10th 2019 at 9:58:48 AM

3 > 6 > 1 > 4 > 5 > 2.

I put 3 aside of 6 because while silver eye bullshit was almost a asspull and deus ex machina it was almost 6 episodes non-stop of bad guy kicking the living shit of the good guys and was good, meanwhile the third act of volume 6 was pointless let him and you fight and killing Adam to put bumblebee in place, which is damn awfull.

Volume 1 while bad in story have plenty of spirit and a kickass soundtrack so I cant fault them for that, volume four is....Okish, is clear they change stuff along and that was bad(have they used the apathy earlier that would be good), volume 5 is just meandring and fuck Hazel, Sienna and Adam so fuck it but it have Illa who is the best of white fang storyline, volume 2 I cant stand it but maybe that is because I saw fatman review and it make me dislike it.

"There is only one truth in this life and that is DESPAIR!"
Feb 10th 2019 at 10:32:01 AM

Some feed back on splitting the Kingdom page would be nice, if people don't mind.


6/3 > 5/4 > 2/1

I think Volumes 3 and 6 are the strongest. I wasn't such a fan of the V3 tournament fights or the V6 Cordovin arc, but the two volumes are, overall, very strong. I do have issues with V5, especially towards the end, but I also don't think it's the write-off a lot of the fandom think it is. I also liked V4 a lot, but I wasn't such a fan of the Nuckelovee arc (mainly because the monster itself was Narm for me). I liked Volumes 1 & 2 overall — the good things weren't as great as the good things in other volumes, and the bad things weren't as bad as in other volumes. So, overall, they're nice, but don't stand out on all fronts as much as later volumes do.

I really do miss Ozpin's voice, however. I should put Volumes 1-3 at the top solely for Ozpin's voice. Dammit.

I still think 'You brought an army to my kingdom, James. Use it.' remains the best-delivered line to date. Possibly followed by 'Stay calm. It's going to be all right.' — McCormick's very good at putting a lot of emotion into a very short line.

'You get back here with my man' is probably the single worst line delivery of any character in any volume to date.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Feb 10th 2019 at 6:43:02 PM

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unknowing "GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!" from somewhere..
"GREAT AND GLORIOUS DESAPAIR!"
Feb 10th 2019 at 10:54:52 AM

For me is Salem the best delivery so far, the worst is Adam everytime the rant, which is funny because finally he got better in the end.

"There is only one truth in this life and that is DESPAIR!"
MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Feb 10th 2019 at 2:06:42 PM

Since we are discussing character placement again, isn't having Ilia listed in Menagerie kind of... devoid of a reason? She is not a location-locked character by any means. Sure, she stays in Menagerie for most of her screentime but we see her in Forever Fall in the flashback, she is stated to come from Mantle and she was last seen in Mistral. Why was she moved from "Friends and Allies" page again?
My impression is that the name "Menagerie" is basically in the same situation as, say, "Australia" is: It's the name of both a landmass and a country/nation. All signs strongly imply that Ilia's primary residence has been in Menagerie after she outed herself in Atlas, and if we go by the interpretation of Menagerie as "the political entity located on the island named Menagerie", then it's pretty much logical to put Ilia's primary entry in the Menagerie section on the logic that she's a citizen of said nation.

Or an even better question: Why not put her back in the "White Fang" character page? I know that she defected, but she is a member in the beginning and throughout most of her storyline.
She does have an entry in said page. It's just that it merely refers you back to the Menagerie entry, since her (now former) memebrship in the White Fang is secondary to her status as a resident/citizen of Menagerie.

When we are crushing the black hearts of our oppressors, we will find our hands blackened.
Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The Arch-Douchebag
Feb 10th 2019 at 2:19:09 PM

All signs strongly imply that Ilia's primary residence has been in Menagerie after she outed herself in Atlas, and if we go by the interpretation of Menagerie as "the political entity located on the island named Menagerie", then it's pretty much logical to put Ilia's primary entry in the Menagerie section on the logic that she's a citizen of said nation.
Really? I recall no line concerning Ilia's citizenship being said anywhere in the show. All we know is that she was in Menagerie during most of V4 and V5, a time period spanning few months at most. On the other hand, she is clearly a member of the White Fang and this allegiance motivates most of her actions throughout the story.

Feb 10th 2019 at 3:36:01 PM

[up][up]I got the impression that Ilia was stationed there as part of the Albain brothers' plans once they realised that Blake was back in Menagerie. It's not that she lives there, it's that the White Fang sent her there for a mission.

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AnoBakaDesu Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
Feb 10th 2019 at 5:23:19 PM

Ilia should never have been moved away from the White Fang in the first place. Tropers need to get the notion that White Fang = antagonists page out of their heads. It's an organization page first and foremost, much like Salem's faction.

"They played us like a DAMN FIDDLE!" — Kazuhira Miller, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
VutherA Thank you, Monty Oum. from Canada Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Feb 10th 2019 at 6:10:21 PM

What the goshdarn heck does "incel" mean.

Incels are members of an online subculture who define themselves as unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one, a state they describe as ...

God I hate this timeline!

Qrow: I think he's going to sound different next Volume

Annnnd I just found out what this was referring to. Gawd-damn.

Edited by Soble on Feb 10th 2019 at 6:25:07 AM

-deep breath- FIGH-TIIIIIIIING GOOOOOOOOLLLD!!!!
RedRob Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
Feb 10th 2019 at 6:15:52 PM

[up][up] Why is Summer listed as active?

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet Unless I grew it. In that case, throw it in the trash.
vicarious vicarious from NC, USA
vicarious
Feb 10th 2019 at 6:34:09 PM

Involuntary celibate

Itís as bad and dumb as you think it sounds

Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The Arch-Douchebag
Feb 10th 2019 at 6:35:49 PM

[up][up] Maybe it's a subtle joke? Like a jab at all the theorists who say that Summer is obviously still alive, she just took a holiday or something.


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