Avatar The Last Airbender - The Search

@Tobias Drake

DUDE are you serious? You sound like that one dude in the commentary section of Avatar wikia.that called "the Search" no different than M. Night Shamylan "The Last Airbender".

Also where is the indication that Ozai used to be an okay gent? That sounds like an unbelievably baseless remark. According to the creators Ozai grew to be a dickhead when it became apparent Azulon favored Iroh more than him.

Also Zuko was more than likely referring to his mother being the only glimmer of warmth during his childhood. Not his father.

Also Ozai redeemed dude? You're being far too idealistic. Even more so than Aang on this matter. Ozai treated Zuko like shit and in hindsight was leading him astray in "The Promise".

The finale's focus in regards to Aang was him showing respect for all life. Hell, that was a central aspect in his character and him trying to be as true as possible to his role as "The Avatar".

edited 25th Jul '13 2:13:02 PM by Couchpotato20

Fire Lord Ozai is the Avatar The Last Airbender equivalent to Adolf Hitler. Yes, I just invoked Godwin's Law, and that makes me terrible at debating.

But seriously, the parallels are there, especially with the picture of the harmless baby, the plan to commit genocide, the portrayal of him being all that is evil (when he's just a man, albeit a poor example of one), and the likelihood that redemption would have been difficult at best.

edited 26th Jul '13 5:27:30 AM by TiggersAreGreat

....*simply stares at tigger*

Okay, I was being dumb. I guess I should've said that Ozai is a bad person, and the comics didn't derail anything about that. No, they just simply confirmed that he is as bad as he seems, and if you thought there was a chance of redemption for him, then you'll be doomed to disappointment.

I don't think anybody thought he was going to be redeem. The main problem here is that they don't have to reconfirm it. Most people that watch the show or who will later watch the show will know what he did, but they change the characterization (that both Azula and Zuko agree with) to says "Yeah that person you heard before well that was lie because Zuko and Azula were too young to realize how much a bastard their father was," which is fine if we got hints of it during the show that in the past before Ember Island that Ozai was really like that.

@ theweird Kiddokun

Okay what?

Zuko nor Azula know jack about their father being a complete and total asshole. The flashback sequence that occurs through part 2 isn't remembered on their part. If you're referring to that dinner conversation which Zuko, Ozai, Azula and Ursa went through I doubt Zuko remembers too much about that. Heck, he had trouble just remembering to keep a secret and not blab about important things (like hiring Combustion Man to track down Aang and the gang).

And if anything that isn't the most stand-out worthy proof of his jerkassery more the part about banishing Zuko and scarring the hell out of his face. If that part was remembered by Zuko that would only go to further prove he's a dick. Hell the Promise when he's misleading the hell out of Zuko could also be used to refute people who say he's "able to be redeemed".

I will say again they don't have to reconfirm it. Ozai was going to burn down entire continent that had his own citizens still on it. They don't have to build him up to be a big bastard because he is already one. They are not even being subtle about it like they need to tell in past Ozai didn't grow into the bastard he is. He just was.

@theweird kiddokun

It's not that they're trying to "reconfirm" but Ozai was making it clear that he's no softie and show Ursa he was in control.

In control for what reason? Before the letters what reason does he have? The things is they are showing us that he is a complete bastard, but no why. I would have less of a problem with this if they were more subtle about it with him trying to hide it (I would care less about the why), but they don't do that. He open and upfront about what a bastard he is for no other sake because he is one.

@theweird Kiddokun

DUDE Ozai was upfront about what a bastard he was from day one of his debut. In Book one during a flashback by Iroh he favored the general giving the middle finger to Fire Nation troops. As a result of Zuko speaking out he had to do an Agni Kai with the guy....or he was until it was revealed that it'd be a firebending duel between him and Ozai. To further sink the knife he's banished and given the nigh-impossible mission of finding the Avatar.

Plus if we have this whole new revelation concerning Zuko being shown to us then of course we're going to need Ozai's input on the matter.

I will ask again what reason in the past does Ozai need to show what a bastard he is to Ursa before the letter? She was being agreeable and she did everything that was needed for a princess. The fact that I can take every action Ozai made and make Azulon do it and nothing changes much makes me really question just why.

@ theweird Kiddokun

Here's a better question: Why does Ozai need to be so blatant with his dickedry? That's right, that's his character. It's not that big of a deal dude.Relax.

...Since you obvious can't see the deal. I'll leave it at that.

@ theweird Kiddokun

I can see what you're making a fuss about and I think it's silly.

For one not all people might even watch the show first. Hell, they might check out the comic before hand.

I'm just curious: next are you going to compare the writing and Ozai being a showboating monster to M.Night Shamylan's Last Airbender film?

Not trying to be assholish but it seems you're going the same critique degradin as this one chum from the Avatar.wikia commentary.

Couch it's over. I already brought up the show in my first post. You still don't get it and I doubt you will.

@ theweird Kiddokun

I know you did. I was talking about other people. Meaning someone other than you bro. Also I know precisely what you're talking about and it's been demonstrated by other characters in other forms of media other times before.

Ozai's monstrosity isn't something that's on the creators part, it's part of Ozai's character. How is that hard to grasp?

Couch stop. It's over. That it. We're done. There nothing else you could say that will change that.

@ theweird Kiddokun

I just want to know why it's so hard for you to acknowledge my view point.

I'm sorry what?

@theweird Kiddokun

To understand the whole it's necessary to show an example of a day in the daily life of Ozai's family as shown in The Search?

An example of what? The whole of what?

I feel sorry for the people that are wasting there time to read this.

@theweird Kiddokun

That Ozai acting how he does in "The Search" is no different than how he is in "The Promise". It's called consistency.

...Well I have nothing to say to that.

@theweird Kiddokun

DUDE...quit acting like a smart-ass and speak up.

With Flame Wars like these, who needs enemies?