Shingeki no Kyojin/Attack on Titan (Manga Discussion)

Shortly after posting that, I remembered that Asians and the Ackermens aren't actually Eledians right? So I guess that answers that question.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 9th 2018 at 8:22:28 AM

The titans are drawn to eat anyone. We saw that when Kruger kicked Gross to them.

Are they particularly drawn to shifters? They never seem to focus on them without being commanded to (either by Eren or Annie's scream). Dina ignored the shifters at Trost to get to Grisha's family.

But when Bertolt and Reiner fought the Survey Corps, the Titans tried to eat them but just as many went after the Corps. Until Eren used the Founder.

Edited by SilentColossus on Sep 9th 2018 at 7:58:33 AM

In Trost, Titan were ignoring people practically in front of their mouths do go after Eren, but Eren was transformed at the time.

In regards to Titans, they eat anyone. This has been shown many times. Part of the reason why Marley was turning the left over Eldians into Titans, other than out of sheer hatred, is because they think its cruelly ironic for an Eldian as a Titan to be stuck hunting, killing, and eating their own fellow Eldians. You see this attitude particularly with Gross and that one asshole that was intentionally triggering the PTSD of Eldian Soldiers.

Titans will immediately start getting very aggressive and start acting like abnormal titans when they spot an shifter in Titan form. This is seen with not only Eren's Titan but the Warrior Trio's Titans as well, albeit they seem to of left Bertolt alone strangely enough. The Jaws Titan also got swarmed immediately once Ymir's version got very close to the Titans

The Female Titan could intentionally draw Titans in after her and the Armored Titan had a shitload of Titans running after it in a group during the Clash of The Titans arc.

The only shifter titan forms that I would think be unhindered is the founding Titan at full power (could just stop and control the Titans), possibly the Ape Titan (ditto), Colossal (too big), and the Warhammer (is perfect for killing other Titans). The rest are pretty much screwed if they get horded by Titans and have no way of getting away in human form.

Edited by Wispy on Sep 9th 2018 at 9:07:31 AM

The translation is up. I'm just gonna repost my comment.

The cruel irony in this chapter… Poor Gabi is given a crash course on why it's stupid to blame people for being born in the wrong country. By the girl who was saved by Sasha to boot, although she doesn't know that.

A bit of a Contrived Coincidence there, but one that helps drive the point home.

I also get the feeling that extremist Eldians like Floch are gonna be a bigger threat than Marley in the last stretch…

Few. Lot of intertwining paths here.

Not just the girl who Sasha saved (who never knew her name, and has no idea she survived that battle with the Titan), but one of the people Mikasa saved way back when in that attack where Eren first discovered his Titan powers.

I do wonder if Gabi will ever learn the truth. That would be a massive blow I'd say.

Honestly, good callbacks with the survivors there.

Kaya is living with Sasha's family. Who were the people who picked Sasha up after she escaped the titan. The girl was literally there on the horse next to Sasha's dad. I think she knows Sasha survived that incident.

Nazi worship?

What Nazi worship exactly?

There is no Nazi worship. Only very ignorant people think there is Nazi worship in this series.

I'd ask, but I don't think we'll see this guy in the thread again, so we might as well just go back to the regularly scheduled chapter review.

...so. What Zekerets does Zeke still hold?

Yeah, there's no Nazi 'worship.' I don't think the Nazi analogues are done very well and Isayama's writing of the whole Eldian/Marley thing is awful, and he didn't think through how goddamn bad and offensive the Willy Tybur situation is, but there's no Nazi fanboying.

What was wrong with Willy Tybur.

I think it's pretty obvious we weren't actually supposed to agree with Willy Tybur, so I'm unclear on what the issue is supposed to be there as well.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 15th 2018 at 1:56:53 PM

For starters, the whole issue of "let's present a group of Jewish analogues in Nazi Germany" analogues who believe everything is their fault and they deserve their oppression is pretty bad in conception.

Now make the nearest thing they have to a leader a firebrand who helps to engineer a terrorist attack so that minority will undergo the equivalent to a holocaust? The writing was questionable at best and in concept, I found it in remarkably awful taste. Didn't help when Isayama tried to "both sides" the damn thing with "The Eldians are doing horrible things too, see all the innocent people they killed, see!?"

I have to say, I can't really get a lot of your recent complaints: "Ugh, Marley is such a caricature of Nazi Germany" as if Nazi Germany wasn't horrifically evil? And "Ugh, having the Jewish analogues believe everything the evil empire say about this is in such bad taste!" as if we're not supposed to see that as horrible and tragic?

Like, if the heavy-handiness gets to you I can see that, subtlety has never been Attack On Titan's strong point, but it almost seems like you're complaining just to complain now.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 15th 2018 at 3:55:07 AM

Let's not forget that it's not "the Eldians", it's Eren who acted on his own. Slaughtering civilians was never in Paradis' plans. There's a reason he's been put in custody…

Marley can be horribly heavy handed, and doing a heavy handed rendition of a Jewish minority leader basically setting up his own people for a holocaust because of their history can be badly done and somewhat offensive.

Because it's not 'the people there believe it,' which would be questionable to begin with, it's "he is actively working for the genocide of his own people because he feels they deserve it"

Well, I mean, he's a villain. As LSBK says, I understand if you feel this is heavy-handed, or too exaggerated to be taken seriously, or simply not interesting. But I will never understand the complaint that "a character we're meant to see as morally wrong is doing a bad thing".

I mean, the fact that the minority leader thinks the minority deserves to be exterminated, if anything, is another aspect of how total and completely horrible Marley's brainwashing is. If anything, I'd complain Marley comes a bit too close to being cartoonishly evil, even for fantasy-Naziville.

Edited by Cozzer on Sep 15th 2018 at 11:10:44 AM

It's not 'doing a bad thing,' it's that it's half baked, under developed and comes from a bizarre place. Marley is heavy handed, but as anvilicious as it is, there's a sort of sense made to it.

If you do a clear Nazi Germany clone and then make the oppressed minority, having their leader try to organize an active holocaust against his own is one of those really uncomfortable moments, especially when the character is so thin and only in a few chapters.

Doing a bad thing is one thing. Doing a badly written, nonsensical and underdeveloped, kinda offensive to real world issues bad thing is another. Especially when the author tries to go "Look at what Eren did, is it really so different?!" When the answer is....yes. Yes it is.

Edited by Lightysnake on Sep 15th 2018 at 2:36:57 AM

You could argue that the Eldians of the mainland and the Eldians of Paradis are not the same cultural group anymore. If I recall, Tybur wanted to wipe out Paradis because he thought it was necessary and because he was terrified of the Wall Titans.

I can't read Japanese, so I wonder: is the idea that Marley and Eldia are inspired by Nazi Germany common among Japanese readers?

Edited by SilentColossus on Sep 15th 2018 at 4:13:21 AM

If I remember correctly, in his speech Tybur says that King Fritz nobly sacrified himself to preserve peace and never had any intention of releasing the Titans, but that since the Original Titan's power was no longer in safe hands (i.e. in Eren's hands) Paradis had become a threat and had to be wiped out. That was his rationale to the officials anyway.

Edited by Lyendith on Sep 15th 2018 at 2:35:44 PM