I also think there should be more clean and locks....I guess?
Good to hear I'm not the only one who feels that would be a preferred direction to take; rather than killing pages and stuffing them under the mattress and spraying Fabreeze when it starts to rot. ><
Eh I'm sure it's not all that bad. There have been some clean and locks- not all the pages have been deleted, and we did get the page we most needed back back (Lolita)
Even so, I worry about what happens if a huge flame war on politics or religion DOES break out? Do we delete all the pages first, THEN restore ones that are relevant enough to warrant keeping anyway? That's what I'm worried about. Really, how we handled it IS working well enough; but I want some reassurance that in the future, if another incident happens, we're more prepared for it, and that more cleans, locks, and moderating is done instead of deleting all the pages then restoring the still-important ones. I understand the urgency of the matter, since ad revenue keeps us up, and while I tend to (try to) be open-minded, I still don't wanna hear creepy gushing on pages. Just like I'm sure nobody wants me to spread my religious beliefs.
Actually, I'd like to officially re-focus my topic from "Yeah, that worked okay, but what about next time", to "Let's discuss what we will do next time, so that when it happens, we can take a more careful, thought-out approach." Because that's my concern. I don't want another incident to get 100+ pages redlinked, and discuss how to deal with it THEN. Y'know? I don't think ANYONE wants to have to react to another incident with no plan and no time. :/
I think the whole google ad thing caused the action to be so intense. I'm sure a politics/religion flamewar won't cause page deletions.
You'd be surprised. I've seen forums turn to barren wastes from less heated debates. It all depends how far those arguing feel they need to go...
Again, less delete, more locks. I probably won't miss any of the pages that got deleted, but it's the principle of how treating matters like this will be handled that I want to focus on. Anyway, thank you, Animeg, for helping quell my fears that our fair wiki may soon spiral into a despotic, punk-punk wasteland at the hands of deletion-happy editors until a five-man band ragtag bunch of misfits saves the day with The Power of Rock.
P.S. Not to derail my own thread, but I'm now curious if we have a ragtag bunch of misfits trope... EDIT: We do, as we should. xD
edited 21st May '12 8:41:21 PM by Beakmanthegreat
The thing is that the scope between cut and keep is quite narrow. Think about it. It's either keep or not keep. And when we do keep, we want to be able to trope it.
Now using Trivialis handle.
Lost in Space
Let's please keep all the content policy discussion in one place
. We don't need lots of separate threads on the topic.
I missed alot of discussion that ended in alot of threats and alot of anger, I guess. It ended in alot of bans and alot of locked pages.
I support some of this; the people creeping on these "paedoshit" pages have no right to make us listen to their freakish fantasies than I do to make them do anything. I happen to enjoy crepypasta. Giygas and me are real good pals now. That doesn't give me the right to post edit creepy images as page images, though.
If I did, I'd expect a warning, temp ban. That would make sense. But I would NOT expect the page related to the pic to get deleted. I realize the difference in magnitude between my example and what happened, but I feel I need to express the concern your heavy-handed approach to problem solving gives me for the remaining wiki pages.
I'm out of lurking for probably this one post, and ban me if you feel you must, but it would only prove my point: "How do we deal with sensitive content? How do we deal with people/ideas that disagree?"
I can't help but feel that keeping most of the pages, but locking them, cleaning them, and/or regularly sweeping the "problem pages" for any unnecessary or disturbing adds or edits could have kept the integrity of our fair wiki while also showing that it is, and always WILL be, a free place. What happens if a religious flame war spirals out of hand? Do we lock and remove all the offensive pages? Ditto a political war? I am not protesting or appealing the ban of any pages that have not or will not be restored; sometimes heavy-handed measures MUST be taken to ensure the peace and safety of all.
But please, I'd like some reassurance that this wiki will, in the future, strive to retain/moderate more and remove/delete less. I am niether pleased nor displeased with the course of actions taken. On one hand, works are being reviewed for their artistic merit, and I'm sure we all think of a certain Supreme Court Judge who gave us a certain Trope when we bring up the P5. I trust their judgement, and realize the limited time of the staff to constantly patrol problem pages for edits, but I would request that should any other sensitive, objective, or vitrolic events spring up, that the integrity of this wiki is upheld. This wiki is a place to research ALL tropes, not just the ones that don't cause fuss or unwanted attention. It should cover ALL artistic works, not just those that never cause controversy.
So far, it seems the P5 has done well, and while it pains me to see pages deleted permanently, those pages are also for purely pornographic Visual Novels and Manga. And let's be honest; last time I checked, we never had an index of pornographic films.
I just want to make sure that any further controversy will be handled at least as well. TV Tropes should remain free, and it should remain safe. All I need to hear is that it will be kept that way. Beakman-whatever-I-ended-my-name-with, signing out.