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The sub-forum is used by the panel that adjudicates possible content violations. Threads can only be opened here by people on the panel. This thread is for general discussion of flagged works; if new threads are needed, the P5 will open them.

Important links: The Content Policy and the 5P Circuit, Content Violation Reports list.

edited 12th Feb '13 2:10:16 PM by Fighteer

Apr 20th 2012 at 7:47:23 AM

The sub-forum is used by the panel that adjudicates possible content violations. Threads can only be opened here by people on the panel. This thread is for general discussion of flagged works; if new threads are needed, the P5 will open them.

Important links: The Content Policy and the 5P Circuit, Content Violation Reports list.

edited 12th Feb '13 2:10:16 PM by Fighteer

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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
Apr 20th 2012 at 3:40:42 PM

I think I should make a link to this post to get the info moving.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
troacctid "." from California
Apr 20th 2012 at 11:13:00 PM

So is each work under review going to have a separate thread in this subforum?

Rhymes with "Protracted."
SeptimusHeap Farewell, NEOWISE from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Farewell, NEOWISE
Apr 21st 2012 at 1:24:54 AM

[up]No, only these where the 5P need some outside assistance. All decision-making there is in their hands.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Ramidel Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Apr 21st 2012 at 6:08:08 AM

Suggestion:

If you don't want people debating works in the main petition threads, maybe you could make a general "debate works here" thread for that purpose (with specific threads created by the 5Ps as needed, if they want them).

Fiat justitia ruat caelum.
SeptimusHeap Farewell, NEOWISE from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Farewell, NEOWISE
Apr 21st 2012 at 6:13:13 AM

[up]I think you can leave that to the discussion pages, and make a rule for the 5P to read the discussion, just like the cutlist.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SKJAM Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Apr 21st 2012 at 8:11:53 AM

Might as well go ahead and pin this thread. Good luck to you all!

Apr 21st 2012 at 8:29:24 AM

@ 4: I was under the impression this would work similar to the edit-banned thread, where only the 5P would be able to post in the threads. Otherwise, where would the discussion take place? PM's go against the entire purpose—that is, being public.

SeptimusHeap Farewell, NEOWISE from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Farewell, NEOWISE
Apr 21st 2012 at 8:31:23 AM

[up]I rather think that it's a public thread, but opening and closing it are 5P privileges.

Dunno if a limited-use sticky here for 5P-only discussions when they don't need outside help makes sense.

edited 21st Apr '12 8:32:36 AM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
Apr 21st 2012 at 8:44:53 AM

Fast Eddie is still coding up the final mechanism for handling things, I believe. Once everything's set up, other than when the 5P requests input from others, the rest of us are pretty much tourists beyond suggesting pages to review.

edited 21st Apr '12 8:45:13 AM by Nohbody

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troacctid "." from California
Apr 21st 2012 at 9:40:25 AM

If each work doesn't get its own thread, how do we know which works are under review?

Rhymes with "Protracted."
ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth
Apr 21st 2012 at 9:46:06 AM

Right now, my understanding is that nobody is allowed to discuss or defend works anywhere on the wiki, ever. Once the "Suggestions for Review" thread is locked and replaced with flagging, we won't even be allowed to holler if we see misrepresentation by another troper.

Can the mods please give us a way to do so? Please?

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
Catalogue A pocketful of saudade. from where the good times are
A pocketful of saudade.
Apr 21st 2012 at 9:46:54 AM

Back then there was a mention of a separate thread for every under-discussion work, where each interested troper can have one post to file their suggestions to attempt to influence the 5P-only thread. I don't know how this will be implemented exactly today I heard about it being put in the discussions page instead of the forums, for example but there should be something similar to that.

The idea is to limit the discussion to the panel, but allowing for tropers to provide their opinions, expertise, and arguments without actually being in a discussion. Which is to say, write your views and suggestions, edit them if necessary, but limit it to one well-thought post covering all grounds rather than conversing about it in a megathread. It's a good model, I think.

edited 21st Apr '12 9:54:53 AM by Catalogue

The words above are to be read as if they are narrated by Morgan Freeman.
lu127 Paper Master from 空蝉丸
Apr 21st 2012 at 9:47:57 AM

[up][up] We can't. Moderators can't code things here. And the only ones who can start threads here are the P5.

If you see someone misrepresenting a work, holler.

edited 21st Apr '12 9:48:31 AM by lu127

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SeptimusHeap Farewell, NEOWISE from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Farewell, NEOWISE
Apr 21st 2012 at 9:49:57 AM

[up][up]And that is the reason why we need a wiki page for this whole thing - The 5 Ps is what comes to mind.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth
Apr 21st 2012 at 9:50:44 AM

You guys keep saying to holler, then you say you're going to lock the recommendations thread and replace it with a flagging system. How can we possibly holler a flag? That makes no sense.

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
Catalogue A pocketful of saudade. from where the good times are
A pocketful of saudade.
Apr 21st 2012 at 9:58:06 AM

Maybe it refers to the hollering in those discussion threads (if there's no thread and someone's misrepresenting it, of course, you use the appeal system instead), or there will be another system implemented. My understanding is, it's not done yet.

Septimus Heap, I think that is pending as well. There should be a guideline, sure.

The words above are to be read as if they are narrated by Morgan Freeman.
HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Apr 21st 2012 at 10:02:51 AM

@13: That is a good model. And that is what was mentioned. And it looks to me that TPTB have explicitly said it's not going to happen. Which people are objecting to, because it's a good model.

(The rules I would suggest:

  1. Just because someone defended something — or even everyone did — doesn't mean it'll stay
  2. One post per person per work
  3. Posts must be about the work, not about other posters or other posts)

The child is father to the man —Oedipus
Octo Prince of Dorne from Germany
Prince of Dorne
Apr 21st 2012 at 10:42:17 AM

The problem is that so much stuff is being cut (and rightfully so), that a thread about each single item would be just too much. It would either be totally unwieldy or the work would just go way too slow.

Unbent, Unbowed, Unbroken. Unrelated ME1 Fanfic
HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Apr 21st 2012 at 1:47:49 PM

I don't see why disucussions of the work should slow down the 5Peers dealing with it. It's not like they have to read them. And again, limiting it to one post per person per work will help keep thread size under control.

The child is father to the man —Oedipus
SeptimusHeap Farewell, NEOWISE from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Farewell, NEOWISE
Apr 21st 2012 at 2:07:18 PM

I don't quite see the point in a one post per person limit. It's not a brainstorming thread.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth
Apr 21st 2012 at 2:37:05 PM

The point is to encourage well-thought-out, carefully written posts that focus on the actual topic instead of arguing with each other.

The less arguing the thread has, and the shorter it is, the more likely the 5P will be to look in on it. If it's just circular arguments re-hashing the same opinions over and over, or fighting over semantics and drifting off-topic and arguing over tiny details of the works, then they're unlikely to want to read it unless they are desperate for info.

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
Autumncomet from the hive
Apr 21st 2012 at 5:36:16 PM

Can we petition to have a trope deleted too, and not just a work page? (I'm thinking Legal Jailbait)

edited 21st Apr '12 5:36:46 PM by Autumncomet

One Piece blog Beyond the Lampshade
EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Fandom Heretic
Apr 21st 2012 at 6:20:32 PM

[up]And I'm thinking that that shouldn't be a necessary concern. Let them deal with works first. If somebody wants to start a hellfire shitstorm over tropes themselves, we could at least wait until the current situation dies down and everybody's not freaking out, yes?

And what I mean by that is, while I personally don't really see what the fuss is about at all and believe that the administration is overreacting just a wee bit, I realize that the most I can do is try to keep the firing squad from taking aim at more than one target at a time, if you understand the metaphor.

edited 21st Apr '12 6:28:49 PM by EvaUnit01

TwoGunAngel The Demon Slayer Relationship Status: Singularity
The Demon Slayer
Apr 21st 2012 at 6:24:27 PM

I'm in agreement with Eva. That trope looks like it needs to go through TRS anyway.

edited 21st Apr '12 6:25:40 PM by TwoGunAngel


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