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Battle of Gods and ROF are classified as DBZ Films by Toei, despite being adapted for S Uper later. Broly is the only Super Labeled film so far.
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And that's stupid and wrong. The only reason they aren't labelled as Super films is because they hadn't thought of Super yet. Their stories were literally retold IN SUPER, they're Super films.
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Technically speaking, they debuted before Super.
It's easier just to call them Modern Dragon Ball films.
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Since they predate Super, it makes sense that they would not be considered Super films - as they are not adaptations of Super's status quo.
Anyway, seconding that Wrath of the Dragon is one of the franchise's best movies. It and World's Strongest are up there.
Now I'm imagining Broly flying around shouting "Monkeymaaaaaan!" instead of "Kakaroooot!"
Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 28th 2021 at 10:02:57 AM
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
But they are part of the Super status quo nonetheless. So colloquially referring to them as Z movies is ignoring the context of their place in the history of Dragon Ball.
Not necessarily. Super is based on them, not the other way around.
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They created Super's status quo. They are part of the same train of thought that led to Super, they are Super movies MUCH more than they are Z movies.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Feb 28th 2021 at 11:10:58 AM
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Why acknowledge that?
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Thats being arbritary: Toei Classifies them as DBZ's movies, just accept that and move on.
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Toei's classification is arbitrary, based solely on one letter in the title. The same exact stories happened in Super. They're clearly Super movies.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Feb 28th 2021 at 11:16:41 AM
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But they aren't, because Super didn't exist when they were made. Its still Arbritary.
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Speaking of arbitrary
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that Cell is a less interesting version of Super Boo (Gotenks Absorbed)?
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They started Super. They are Super. They make up the first two arcs of Super.
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Onyl for the Tv Anime. Not the movies, they are classified as DBZ movies by the people that made them, accept that and deal with it, and stop making cyclical arguments about it.
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I don't see why this even an argument; they literally made Battle of gods and ROF before Super ever existed, Super is based on those movies.
That's why they're Dragon ball Z films. What even is the argument here
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Because both of those movies are undeniably part of the "modern era" of Dragonball that Super exemplifies. They came out literally decades after "Z proper" ended.
Calling them "Z movies" is being nitpicky based on their branding and not actually getting to the heart of the matter.
Edited by Moth13 on Feb 28th 2021 at 2:10:47 PM
Beyond their branding, there's also the fact that they chronologically are within Z's purview, and are built upon the Z status quo.
TBH, putting them into Super is the thing that feels more like a branding move: an attempt to bolster Super's repertoire by including things that predate it.
I just can't get behind that line of thought of "an adaptation was made of X story, so that story has to be made part of the adaptation, not it's own thing that was adapted later." While I can see the reasoning behind folding it into Super, it makes no more sense than not doing so.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 28th 2021 at 11:30:22 AM
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Yeah, I don't know if I'd call them "Z" movies but I'm not seeing a reason they're "Super" movies, either. Well, I guess you could say Broly is but Battle of Gods and Resurrection F? Not so much.
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The real arbitrary distinction is between dragon ball and z
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Eh... people rag on that specifically because the name change didn't happen in the manga, but the distinction itself is there:
Even if Toriyama didn't explicitly separate the periods in a titular way, the end of the Majunior arc is very obviously written as a wrap up of the arcs that preceded it, with Goku being set up to have a happy life, a very explicit recap of the story and its mythos by Roshi immediately before the end, and Goku riding off into the sunset after accomplishing the goal he'd held for most of the story at that point. The last chapter of the Majunior arc reads very blatantly like an epilogue to what Toriyama had been writing until that point.
Meanwhile, the Raditz arc is very clearly the establishment of a new status quo, with several years having passed, Goku having a son who would go on to be a principal character, and then the immediate reveal that Goku is a space alien leading to almost entirely sci-fi based stories vs the folktale/martial arts focus of the preceding storylines.
Like, if Dragon Ball Super was just Dragon Ball, you would still be able to tell that its stories were very different in concept than the stories that preceded it. Same situation: the distinction is pretty obvious, which I assume is why adaptations added the "Z" moniker in the first place.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 28th 2021 at 11:47:57 AM
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
As is... the entirety of Super? I don't see how you can deny that Battle of Gods and Res F are part of the same story flow as Super. There's a clear distinction both in years and style between the Z stuff and the Super related stuff.
There's almost two decades between Wrath of Dragon, and Battle of Gods, and it shows.
Now, I honestly couldn't care less about the branding convention, because that's just marketing and doesn't matter either way.
But both movies and the tv anime are both part of the series revival era, and it only makes sense to look at them through those lens.
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If anything, the branding of BOG and ROF is retroactive. Because once again, Super didn't exist yet.
The brand push for a Modern Dragon Ball happened afterwards and they decided to work off the status quo established in Bo G, which, and I can't stress this, retroactively makes them Super films.
Before Super came out, there was no such distinction.
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I think the best Z movie is Wrath of the Dragon. Cool Kaiju, neat Kaiju powers, good backstory, Tapion is a well-realized character with a good relationship to Trunks. Only problem is the bullshit ending, which is a universal problem all Z movies have. Also, the tradition of Vegeta being absent from the film until he makes his grand entrance halfway through was to this film's detriment. Since the entire plot revolved around his family and home, his absence is really noticeable.
Of course, Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F' blow it out of the water (yeah, I'll say it, I loved 'F', not quite as much as BOG, but still, it gets way too much undeserved flak), but those are Super films, not Z films. The whole Super era started with those films, and the Z era ended years and years prior with Wrath of the Dragon.