Manga/Dragon Ball

Well he's not trying to sue him so yeah he's really improving here, baby steps.

Easy to be a class act after you've already lost and hard, but it's probably better than him being bitter.

Well, I can respect that

Honestly the more I see about this whole case the more I think vic is the one who's the less interested in winning this case, behind his fanbase and his lawyers.

So Mistare Fusion is starting D Bcember, and it begins with DBTV and the Frieza Arc:

It takes guts to actually like both Fake Namek and the Bulma crab filler. I do admit, it would have been nice to see Bulma do a bit more than fly them there then disappear.

For some reason I don't remember it being that awful as a kid, but looking back on it...wow, that was...not good.

Oh man, can't wait to see how he reacts to all of the Bulma padding

He did state the next round would not be fun so...

So I have to ask...is the Supreme Kai planet part of otherworld?

Because Goku was able to stay there even after his one day on earth had run out

Technically, it orbits around Otherworld, but I assume that still counts as a yes.

It exists in a space outside of the living and otherworld.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Dec 4th 2019 at 1:51:41 PM

He didn't leave Earth at all (technically) until his time was up, then he just went to the Supreme Kai planet.

I consider myself lucky that I saw Kai first to avoid the pointless filler.

Never forget Elder Kai's "death".

It's only lucky if all of it was bad...

This was most of it.

You know, remembering that Old Kaioshin had the ability to transfer his own life force to another person makes the reveal that Whis can just revive the dead at the end of the TOP a lot easier to swallow, and I say this as someone who didn't really have a problem with that.

I really don't think those are comparable given that Whis' ability isn't an exchange.

Maybe it is and Whis just barely feels it. Old Kaioshin was established to be weaker than base Goku while Whis is incomparably stronger than 4th Form Freeza.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Dec 4th 2019 at 9:00:56 AM

There's no indication of that.

Old Kaioshin for Goku is one for one, and it's described as an even trade.

Nowhere is it suggested they could trade down and revive weaker beings at minimal cost to themselves.

Nowhere is that not suggested. They barely explain the Old Kai thing, it's just something the audience is expected to accept that he can do, same with Whis. It's simpler to just assume that the two godly abilities to revive the dead, possessed by the only characters who can aside from the wish dragons, are related to each other in some way.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Dec 4th 2019 at 9:10:25 AM

That is a nonsensical statement.

And no, it is not simpler to assume the Kaioshin can revive the dead, because Goku literally describes it Old Kaioshin giving their life for Goku's, which does not support reviving the dead without such an exchange.

Edited by Saiga on Dec 5th 2019 at 2:13:26 AM

Absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence. Just because there's nothing suggesting the two are connected doesn't mean they definitely are not connected.

And I never said they definitely weren't connected. You just aren't making a plausible argument for them being connected, given what we've seen is different.

And the 'absence of evidence' argument does not trump burden of proof. You're essentially arguing argumentum ad ignorantiam here, suggesting that an absence of contrary evidence means your assumption should be accepted. That's a fallacy, because we lack any evidence to support your argument.

Edited by Saiga on Dec 5th 2019 at 2:16:06 AM

I'm not really trying to make an "argument", I just forgot about the Old Kai thing until I saw that video and my brain made the connection and I thought it was a neat idea.

Well, regardless, I don't think it's appropriate to equate the two for the reasons I mentioned. They're only loosely related.