Manga/Dragon Ball

That's not how news works.

Edit: Zero context page-topper, goddamnit!

Edited by HailMuffins on Jun 4th 2019 at 2:52:30 PM

The Streisand Effect disagrees

I wonder if doing another movie is buying time for the manga to get ahead. Like I could see the manga handling this movie like it did the Broly movie, acknowledge that it happened but don't devote time to adapting it, if this movie is it's own story and not a Moro adaption, I could see the manga being pretty far ahead by the time the Super anime returns if it does after this next movie. Rambling but, maybe the common consensus on here that Super would benefit from one format being made at a time, rather than both running concurrently is actually happening.

Edited by tms_forever1 on Jun 4th 2019 at 2:12:58 PM

Think doing movies are the best way to go than another long running series.

I'd actually be interested in seeing a movie version of the Galactic Patrol Prisoner arc. So far, the main shortcomings of the manga's version of the arc is that the fight scenes aren't dynamic enough, the panel count per page is too high, which kills the momentum, and the one or two major plot-holes. A movie version of that story would neatly fix both of the first two issues easily, and the latter issue can be solved with just some minor re-writes.

Plus, I think Moro's magic abilities rendered with the same level of quality animation as the Broly movie had could be incredibly awesome.

Frankly, I'd rather Super be only movies going forward.

Enough cheap adaptations, than you very much, Dragon Ball deserves better.

I'm inclined to agree, but there are a lot of arcs in Dragon Ball that are beloved and wouldn't fit in a movie format. Take the Freeza, Cell, or Buu arcs, for example. Some arcs are just too long to fit in a single movie, and a tv show would be the better place for them because it can do long-form storytelling in a way that movies cannot.

Movies also aren't a good place to do mini-arcs or low-key filler episodes, which were some of the best parts of the Super tv series. And it's not like tv shows can't have amazing animation, just look at Mob Psycho 100, which had an episode in the second season with animation at least on-par with the Broly movie, if not better. Hell, before the Broly movie came out, episode 130 of Super was the best-animated thing in the whole franchise, even surpassing all previous Dragon Ball films.

If a second season of Super kept the Broly artstyle, it could be animated even better than the end of the first season. What I think they should do is just give up on long-running series altogether and alternate between movies and 12-24 episode seasons. Have movies cover the plots that are short enough but meaty enough for a movie runtime, and have the 12-24 episode seasons cover the lighthearted gag one-offs and stories too long to work in a movie format.

You're comparing apples and oranges man. Mob Psycho turned out how it did for a similar reason to how One Punch Man Season 1 did, animators and workers who gave a shit and worked their ass off to produce it. We already know Toei has troubled production schedules and whatnot, so expecting that level of quality is unrealistic. Especially since Mob Psycho is a 12 episode Anime while Super would more than likely be another long-running series.

Black Clover also shows what happens when you try to have a series be continuously long running; very inconsistent animation, very slow pacing, and the like. I'd rather the series just continue on as a movie series if it means things are more consistent.

Don't forget One Piece.

Or Naruto, Yu Yu Hakusho, Samurai X, Sailor Moon, etc.

It seems that it was easy for animators on DBS to say, "This is just a nostalgia-baiting sequel to a decades-old product! Why the hell should I put in effort?"

Especially since Mob Psycho is a 12 episode Anime while Super would more than likely be another long-running series.

Did you just not read my third paragraph, where I stated that I think Super should change schedules to run as a 12-24 episode long seasonal anime with movies in-between each season?

A strict seasonal approach could work but first the people in charge have to be willing to consider such an option & not drag things out for cheap profit.

People love Dragon Ball. I'm sure the animators were very passionate about it but there's only so much they can do when the schedule for Super was infamously borked.

Edited by Moth13 on Jun 4th 2019 at 5:26:34 AM

I did not, I apologize.

And yea, its not really fair to the Animators to just say "Oh they don't care"; they're people too and Animation production is an infamously hard environment to work in. I'm sure they didn't want to produce a shoddy product, but there are only but so many resources and people available to work.

Its likely a combination of bad luck and not just not planning things out better.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Jun 4th 2019 at 5:30:05 AM

In order to stop these shitty continuous shows first they have to stop being like profitable.

Look at Black Clover. That show is a fucking mess down to its very production & yet its still going, nearing at a hundred episodes because...... a lot of people are watching it regardless of it being a crapily made show.

People need to stop watching.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 4th 2019 at 2:37:34 AM

I mean...you're literally trying to tell people to not consume entertainment. Everyone's standards are different and you can't dictate what type of entertainment people consume.

So don't be a QUALITY-Nazi then?

Generally speaking, these problems tend to start from high up, so while no one should blame the animators, the execs at Toei probably were thinking exactly that.

The animators for Super definitely care - during the start of Super (around episode 5) they had been publicly apologizing on Twitter for the poor quality and said they were doing the best in the conditions they were working in.

I also think movies are the way to go for Super, but it does mean large content droughts between releases (like we're in right now in both the lead-up to and aftermath of Broly).

Shit we are in a drought.

We don't really have much to talk about barring the monthly manga chapter & bringing back old topics due to the Super dub.

Alright.

Time to argue about Power Levels and why the humans should be more impo....

<Is bricked>

Ow....yeah. Might be a bit of a drought, but we've found the occasional new topic to talk about.

Oh, here's a good one. Moro is a bit of an Outside-Context Problem (even more so than Buu had been, which is ironic considering the latter's importance). The last time they had someone like that was Black and Zamasu (especially the latter's immortality).

Anyone wondering if we'll be seeing more villains like him? I do like seeing the good guys dealing with more things they can't just defeat by punching it harder or powering up more.

Well, Figtherz is available on Steam, we could always start a group with the thread members and do our own little tournament.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jun 4th 2019 at 10:27:30 AM

We're not really in that much of a drought. This whole conversation started because they announced that a new movie was the next big animated project. It's not like we're just repeating the same conversations with no news (like we usually do...), this is actually relevant.

I'm not surprised the next Dragonball project is a movie. Broly gave off the impression that they were looking to set up a new status quo before delving into a new series, and more movies is the best way to do that.