General Star Wars Thread

The trench could be used as racetrack.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

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"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."

Maybe that's why Vader was so unshakable during the Trench Run. Luke might have some experience flying in valleys from Tattooine, but Vader's out here in this exact trench racing Stormtroopers every night. He's the Imperial TIE Champion of the Death Star Circuit.

Tarkin refuses to acknowledge his foolish sport publicly, but has made a pretty penny in bets.

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Darth Vader: Now this IS Podracing Tie-racing!!!

edited 8th Jan '16 9:56:48 AM by MadSkillz

"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."

He does, and he already has the job, as of Rebels season 2/Siege of Lothal. Also does it in Battlefront, but nobody gives a shit about that.

edited 8th Jan '16 11:05:09 AM by TheAirman

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So, I have a question: was there any noticeable elements in American Graffiti that kind of foreshadowed some of Lucas's failings in the Star Wars prequels?

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Oh, I'd have to watch it again; it's been so long. That movie was made more than 40 years ago, and it was a simple film about teenagers in the Sixties. I doubt his flaws as a writer were really that apparent.

edited 8th Jan '16 10:46:06 AM by CrimsonZephyr

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."

If you want to see signs of Lucas's "failings in the prequels" watch the originals again, but take off the rose tinted nostalgia filter, that the internet forces upon everyone. They've the exact same issues, to the exact same degree.

edited 8th Jan '16 11:58:57 AM by Werebazs

Okay. How do you explain the OT had such good critical and audience reception and the PT...Didn't?

Nostalgia doesn't really work as an explanation for critics at least, most of them were old enough to have been an adult when they watched the OT.

This. The OT wasn't that great.

Twenty years of cinematic progress and heightening of expectations. The originals wouldn't be half as acclaimed if they premiered exactly as-is today, and the prequels wouldn't be half as reviled if people hadn't been expecting them to live up to the rose-tinted perfection that they remember the OT as.

Plus, the EU happened between trilogies.

edited 8th Jan '16 12:06:59 PM by TobiasDrake

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Sir, I've seen the OT. It had less problems in it than the Prequels did. Some of the same ones, ye, but not to the same extent like you claim.

And that STILL doesn't answer the question I asked: is there anything in American Graffiti that had some of the problems of the prequels?

edited 8th Jan '16 12:21:04 PM by AdricDePsycho

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?

The OT was helped by the fact that Harrison Ford (and some of the other actors, but Ford most famously) pretty much tossed out the script in favor of just saying whatever felt right. Lucas has always been terrible at dialogue, but in the PT none of the actors were willing to really call him on it. You'll note some of the best dialogue in the trilogy was the dinner scene in AotC, because Portman and Christensen were told to just have a conversation.

edited 8th Jan '16 12:23:15 PM by Discar

The prequels have many of the same weaknesses as the OT, some exaggerated. But the prequels also have significant strengths that the OT wasn't able to accomplish. Their sense of Worldbuilding is flat out superior, with a willingness to make the stakes a bit larger than just the personal struggles of a handful of people. It's the first time Star Wars really felt like a War.

Well alright then, I guess my question will go unanswered.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?

Other than a whiny kid that goes through character development over the movie not really.

Good enough.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?

Shitty politics with shitty execution and nonsensical bullshit about Separatists doesn't "superior world building" make.

The abject flaws and failure of the prequel trilogy are directly tied to Lucas not collaborating with others and having all of the creative power under his grasp, which wasn't the case in the original trilogy.

The PT films did have good critical and fan reception when they were released. The hate only became nigh-universal around the time the ridiculously hypocritical and utterly clueless Mr Plinkett crawled out of the bottomless pit that is in the place of the brain of the Red Letter Media guys.

Name one thing you think the OT did better. Acting? Please! Return is the only one with serviceable performances from the main cast. Characters? Who're you kidding, they can hardly even be called characters! They're flat, one-dimensional archetypes. Yeah their interactions are good, but the reason for that is because they're archetypes that bounce-off of eachother. Neither could carry a movie without the others. On the other hand any of the main characters from the prequels are multilayered enough to easily carry whole trilogies on their own, as long as they get actors, and directors who can do them justice. Dialoges? How the hell is "My hands are dirty" "So are mine." any better than "I don't like sand."???

Sorry, do you know you're spouting utterly clueless clischés? Look up information from sources other than Mr Plinkett.

edited 8th Jan '16 12:57:13 PM by Werebazs

At least the Prequels had politics. The OT just had visual cues. We're never given any impression of what the Empire is like as a ruling party, just that they're The Bad Guys because they dress in black and employ Weapons of Mass Destruction against perceived threats to their sovereignty such as the Rebels, who we know are virtuous and well-suited to governance because they dress in white and are constantly slaughtered.

edited 8th Jan '16 12:59:29 PM by TobiasDrake

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Badly executed Gray-and-Grey Morality still isn't good just by virtue of being featured.

Your entire post is prequel fan contrarian bullshit. Nothing more.

Go watch "The People vs. George Lucas" at least once. You'll see what I'm talking about.

edited 8th Jan '16 1:03:07 PM by higherbrainpattern

"You'll agree with me if you click this link," is already considered bad form for discussion. Expecting people to go out of their way to hunt down a video that will argue your case for you is an exercise in futility.

edited 8th Jan '16 1:03:11 PM by TobiasDrake

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Nope, they didn't.

"name one thing you think the OT did better."

Internal consistency. Sure there were already retcons in TESB and especially R Ot J but the PT turned that up to eleven.

But they didn't get actors directors or even scenes to shine. "Could've been better" isn't the same as actually being better. I also fail to see why a character should carry a movie all by themselves.

Because it establishes them as equals? Makes it clear that Han doesn't care that she has to be clean all the time to be likable? I don't like sand tells us... nothing.

Yeah, Lucas didn't do anything right... except make Star Wars.

The man created this massive franchise that we are all arguing about right now. Without his continued input the franchise would have gone the path of the Holiday Special long ago and we wouldn't even have this divisive material to complain about. It would be more like the Disney DTV sequels.

The prequels also visited three times as many planets and showed loads more cultural diversity. The heroes also have mysteries they are trying to solve and find themselves in situations that don't have easy answers.