The Last of Us

I mean a lot of people have pretty much decide this to joel lying to her is the bad part, no him deciding to fuck over everyone because his issues

His actions "fucking over everyone" is only a consideration if you actually believe the Fireflies could have achieved anything and that a cure would've changed all that much at this point rather then being 20 years too late to make a difference, especially after the second game basically made the infected an afterthought while people are the real threat.

My view is the Fireflies are the heroes of the setting

Mine is that they're just another group of bandits but one suffering from delusions of grandeur.

Edited by doineedaname on Nov 9th 2020 at 10:18:21 AM

They're delusional, yes. But they're trying.

Which is all you can do.

It's hard to say, "lets girl be murdered" is really a good alternative to, "issues."

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 9th 2020 at 8:28:05 AM

Problem is that for joel thay matter not damn it, what it matter is his girl is dying, he need her and that is all.

Or let put it in other: if it was another girl instead of Ellie, would joel make that choice?.

Interestingly, I'd say yes.

BUT ONLY if Ellie was there to tell him to rescue her.

Because not only is Ellie important, Joel does not give a shit about their goal.

Honestly I don't think he'd be in a position to even make the choice if it was someone other then Ellie because I expect Marlene would just let the Fireflies execute him since she'd have no reason to feel bad for killing some random girl and want someone else who cared about her to say she was doing the right thing.

If he somehow was, I think he probably would but it would be partly a side effect to not letting the Fireflies kill him.

Edited by doineedaname on Nov 9th 2020 at 5:15:03 AM

Marlene is really a shit, though.

She was never going to pay Joel for the job and for that deserved to die.

Bust a deal, get the wheel.

:)

She wasn't refusing to pay him she was sending him to his death after robbing him. And her recorder comes across as the only reason she even did that was because she hoped someone who knew Ellie would forgive her for giving the go-ahead to murder her.

Unrelated but her talk of how much Ellie means to her and how she kept her promise to take care of her comes across as so incredibly shallow and self-serving given she only actually knew Ellie for about as long as Joel and left her in FEDRA's care until there was something to be gained from her.

Edited by doineedaname on Nov 9th 2020 at 6:40:25 AM

i have to speak out in defense of Marlene here, since the reason Joel survived at all was at her insistence to spare him on the grounds that he might understand the weight of the decision she was faced with. in other words, this confirms to me that Ellie was more to her than just a random girl who has to be sacrificed for the good of humanity, a fact which is further emphasised by Marlene being the one who questions Jerry if he'd readily jump at the chance to operate on Ellie if she were his own daughter.

the suggestion that Marlene "only knew Ellie for as long as Joel did" is speculative conjecture in my view, and it's a point i disagree with as the story confirms that Marlene has had *at least* fourteen years to get acquainted with Ellie before the latter is introduced to Joel for that game's central objective. sure enough, she probably wasn't as hands-on with Ellie's upbringing as she might've preferred, but i also imagine juggling the priorities of 'care-giver' and 'rebel faction figurehead' would've had raised unique challenges in a setting where the convenience of child-minding facilities is no longer a realistic expectation.

speaking of said priorities.. it's highly representative of T Lo U's tendency to confront its characters with a cruel morton's fork that Marlene would find herself in a position where her goals conflict with each other and the girl she was tasked to look after like her own daughter just happens to emerge as the only known immune case that could possibly offer humanity a chance at creating an antidote, and it troubles her enough into sparing a character it would not make any logical sense to let go by that stage in the game, simply because she *needed* someone who could empathise with her as a parent, and therefore would understand how much of a personal sacrifice *she* was making. granted, it's still irrational and motivated by a selfish desire for some assurance, and its a decision which ultimately costs her her life since whereas both she and Joel cared deeply for Ellie, only Marlene (and later Ellie herself, ostensibly) had any stake in trying to save humanity.

Marlene to me represents Naughty Dog's interpretation of the moral and logistical compromises someone would have to make in an effort to salvage and even restore humanity. it's depicted as a very far-fetched goal that any one person would have to make extreme sacrifices for whatever remote chance they have of accomplishing it. on that note, 'shallow' is hardly an adjective with which i could preface Marlene's characterisation or motivations, whether or not someone would think of her as a hero. for me at least, she's definitely the closest the game ever comes to having one.

Edited by Zaba_ on Nov 23rd 2020 at 7:08:25 PM

Its not conjecture or speculation. The American Dreams prequel comic written by Druckmann has a thirteen year old Ellie demanding to know how Marlene knows who she is while holding her at gunpoint. When Marlene gives Ellie her mother's letter and says it was written by her mother Ellie demands she stop fucking with her. Marlene left her to be raised in FEDRA schools while having some Fireflies keep an eye on her from a distance not ever meeting her until Ellie left the QZ with Riley and ended up running into the Fireflies.

Like I said, it's just awful that Marlene never intended to give those guns.

She deserved what she got.

Yes she got exactly what she deserved for her plan to indirectly murder Joel for calling out her bullshit. He wouldn't be the first or last person murdered by the Fireflies, fortunately they're gone now.

Edited by doineedaname on Nov 24th 2020 at 11:02:02 AM

Naughty Dog on Twitter: "We're so incredibly honored to have The Last of Us Part II win Ultimate Game of the Year, @PlayStation Game of the Year, Best Visual Design, Best Storytelling, Best Audio, and to be named Best Studio at The @GoldenJoysticks. Congrats to the team and thanks to all that voted!"

^Also that twitter thread is really annoyingly toxic Like people just posting "cry" to anything that is even little negative

I've never cared much for ceremony or awarding games, but if it gives them satisfaction then it's a good thing after all of the flak they got.

Nah, it doesn't matter which game won. Being a piece of shit about it shouldn't be tolerated.

Isn’t that award ceremony all gaming journalists voting?

Sounds like the same issue as the Grammys.

No, Golden Joysticks are 90% player vote IIRC. Downside: you're turning it into a popularity contest per category. So the nominated game with the largest and loudest fanbase will sweep basically everything if it's nominated for enough.

Its actually even worse as far having credibility goes since Fornite won game of the year for 2018. Despite releasing in 2017.

Edited by doineedaname on Nov 25th 2020 at 11:58:43 AM

Well, good for the game. TLU 2, I mean, just to make sure that context doesn't make anyone mistake this.

Double post but I just noticed something: this thread only seems to have activity nowadays when somebody wants to say something about TLU 2. Like, that seems to be the only subject matter people want to broach here, which is.

A little odd to me, I guess?

It's not so much that everybody is still talking about it as nobody else wants to or tries to talk about something else?

And I think it's a bit more weirder when many of the people that pop up on this thread don't seem to be fond of it? From what I've gathered, anyway?

Edit: I'll put my money where my mouth is and ask: what's everybody favorite Infected type?

Edited by fredhot16 on Nov 25th 2020 at 7:50:01 AM

What else would they talk about but the most recent game?

And I just put up a new subject of conversation. Broad, perhaps, but.

There are more things about the series to try to talk about.

I wouldn't even say much if people are still talking about TLU 2 if there were other conversations that were happening in the thread but the only time this thread breathes is when people try to talk about TLU 2.

And once the brief spate of conversation dies, so does this thread.

Edited by fredhot16 on Nov 25th 2020 at 7:48:18 AM

Huh so the that golden joystick being strictly popularity vote makes sense.

Like winning best visual design. Not to knock the games graphics, but its presentation isn't really that stellar, like sure its realistic and detailed but thats very commonplace nowadays.

I feel like the only award The Last of Us 2 should win should be for the accessibility options because that is an insane number of options.