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I think it helps to have an in-setting name for the Badass Normal, so that even in a game without classes, such a class of the Badass Normal, you have something to point to specifically.

Everything being roughly equal is what I'm aiming for.

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-

I'm not looking for necessarily equal but everything having a weakness, and not all weaknesses should be equal.

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The Special Tactics Fighter 'class' is meant to be rather broad and equal to other rather broad options.

A man I respect a lot more than most said something to me, which boiled down to "clarify this shit, son."

My suggestion isn't meant to say Every Mortal Ever Is This. It's more like Batman Is This And So Can You. In mechanical terms, though I loathe to use them, most people are level one commoners. I was just providing an explanation- mostly to the players, who otherwise may not consider such things- of how the (say) Level Ten Fighter is kicking the shit out of someone who can make people explode with his brain. You are talking about the people that do things, I'm talking about how the people who do things do. Make more sense now?

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-

I was also talking about how they do things, "They had special training."

"Special training" doesn't really work, though, not on its own- it's the inclusivity issue. What's to stop any supernatural from taking the same training?

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-

What's to stop a supernatural being from learning Wizardry?

Mind you, their is still the fact that neither of the things were wrote strictly are not allowed to Coexist. Maybe a supernatural being generally doesn't take Special Tactics training because they're too arrogant too and everyone with magic looks down their noses at it.

Sounds legit.

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-

F'course, I think that 'usually' doesn't mean 'always' and a more savvy being with super natural power taking to learning a few practical lessons should be a legit concept.

But we'll do that Dn D approach and anyone with power already on them counts as having a vague 'ECL' that cuts into how many 'levels' of anything else they can take. I can't think of an in-universe reason quite why that is but it can be a meta thing.

The Game Master

Once their was a sadistic being of terrible power, a serial killer who sought out men who liked to play games and sports. And one after another he found these men, trick, cajoled or forced them to play him, beat them at their own game and then devoured their souls after killing them in suitable ironic manners. Of course, this streak did not last and once a man who knew his game very well defeated the being. Driven mad by his loss, he fled into the wilderness and then died in self-inflicted pain.

This being was very nearly a Terrestrial God, the fear his reputation garnered almost as good as reverence. The agony of his death finally lit the spark and he became a ghost god, warping reality around to create a stadium where he may live out his horrible pathos with the souls of the losers, beating and killing them over and over. These spirits are allowed to escape every now and then but must always return, and are encouraged to trick, cajole or force one of the living to come and play. If they win, the soul they play in proxy for is free to go but then this a Terrestrial God who in life lost only once after many successive victories. Most lose, and die, and join the ranks of those doomed to lose over and over again.

Sijo here with news of *more* interruptions- my Net service has been unstable, apparently both due to repair work in the local area AND because my modem is acting up. Supposedly someone from the cable company will come to fix the latter one today. Still, now you know why I've been posting sporadically lately. Sorry about that, hope to be back in full soon.

edited 6th May '12 7:04:49 AM by Sijo

Veik, God of weakness - "No one is free from weakness. Nothing is invincible, nor truly immortal. No man, Nor god, Not even me."

Veik, is a celestial god perhaps one of the oldest, and most feared by those with strength. He is mysterious, snide, and sarcastic. Easily one of the most hated gods by other gods mostly because he is one of the only powers in the world that knows the way to weaken celestial gods and even kill them*

. Though he might also be hated because he's a jerk. He's pray to by those who seek to exploit and find weakness in others, the pragmatic, and those who are desperate. He appears as hooded figure most often looking something like a cross between an aged alien and mummified corpse with no nose. He is bald and has dark skin but not a natural shade of darkness. His symbol is a cane.

His ways and teachings are very mysterious and odd though his own quotes probably say the most about him.

"I don't mind when people try to overcome their weakness at all, tend to make people full of themselves when they do. Weakness need not be physical.

"Turning ones weakness into strength if a noble thing to do. Though a bit false. Your not turning your weakness into strength your manipulating your opponents perception of your weakness, to weaken them. So it's still good in my book."

"''I would hate world where traditional strength doesn't exist! What is traditionally seen as weakness would become strength. And what would be seen weakness? Death! Death would become the new weakness. I have no intention of being reduced to the god of corpses!" - After talking down to a cult of his who tried to weaken the world.

"The weak and down trotted best not pray for me for help. I have no intent in freeing you from a state I represent."

Relationship with other gods - Not all Gods hate him, gods of strength know he is the other half to their coin, and the god of truth knows that in revealing weakness he is also revealing truth.

Artifacts-

"'Sometimes weaknesses are not things that can be exploited on ones own. So at times I help, not because I some patron of downtrodden, simply because I despise those who think they are invincible."

The first stake- An artifact created by Veik to slay oldest vampires. It is not made of wood but of a grotesque-looking blessed stone, the stake has a strong potent scent which smell of garlic to non-vampires but to vampires it's scent is made 100 times stronger by a hex on the item. So strong it can bring them to their knees. In addition to this with a word the item can glow with the same blinding light as the sun, again the light is only blinding to vampires. When plunged through the heart of a vampire you does not kill them but absorbs them though one many holes in the stake, sealing them within the artifact. It can seal 1000 vampires before it ceases to be useful at that time it will shatter into dust and release a composite soul of the 1000 vampires. The stake has no known way to tell how many vampires it has absorbed, the truth will be revealed when it is finished.

Tactician's eye- Made from a piece of Ken, The broken God to is both enchanted by Veik, and the god of sight. It shows it's owner the weak spot object or person, the Achilles hell if you will. It has a down sides though, first being it needs to be inserted into an eye socket to work. The second being it can only be used for a a few seconds a day, showing the weak areas as glowing orange and then going blind for the rest of the day with the exception of the spots glowing within darkness for a few minutes. Giving the user a blind spot, a weakness.

It only shows the weak spot it doesn't tell you what said spot is weak against.

Tome of weakness -

This can be called upon by any worshiper at a cost, it gives the user to full knowledge of one creature, person's or object's weaknesses. The cost is that they must weaken their greatest strength with each weakness they learn.*

Not even spells nor artifacts can return the lost strength.

edited 10th May '12 3:17:38 AM by Vyctorian

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Sorry for the double post and for not voting yet. I'll try and get to that once I wake up.

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Make the first letter a V, sounds less obvious.

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-

So Veik?

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Still having connection problems (my net service jut vanishes at night) and have been very busy during the day. But I hope to have all of this fixed by this weekend. Carry on, folks.

edited 10th May '12 4:57:37 AM by Sijo

Sounds like an interesting setting!

An idea for an kind of cursed item/spell, based on the Geases part of the magic system:

The Ceathair-Aon-Naoi Ritual

As every reasonable person knows, few things are more foolish than attempting to use a ritual obtained from an untrustworthy source; and if the ritual promises to grant great riches and power and only requires some drops of the caster's blood to be cast, it goes without saying that nobody but the most unwary of the practitioners would consider for even one moment to cast it.

Still, people whose thirst for power was not matched by their common sense have never been in scarce supply, and dusty tomes and scrolls describing this kind of ritual seem to be unusually common; and thus, the victim of the dreaded Ceathair-Aon-Naoi Ritual keep steadily growing in number.

The Ritual has two effects on the caster, both detrimental:

1. It siphons away much of the vital energy of the caster, making him or her grow old prematurely. This energy is presumably sent to whatever entity — or entities — invented the Ritual;
2. It places the caster under a strong compulsion to write new copies of the Ritual and hide them in random places. This compulsion can be removed by an experienced caster, but not without difficulty; and the victim will usually attempt to hide its effects, if possible.

There exist many variants of the Ceathair-Aon-Naoi Ritual, some subtler than others; but among experienced adventurers and magicians, all of them are generally regarded as little more than a nuisance and an all-too-obvious trap.

Still, some cannot help being uneasy at the thought of that much life energy disappearing towards unknown destinations. Nobody seems to know for sure who is gathering it, but their intentions cannot possibly be benevolent...

edited 10th May '12 7:01:28 AM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

Iiiiinteresting. I like it!

Are you going to be staying on, then, or was this a one-shot thing?

edited 10th May '12 11:14:26 AM by Exelixi

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-

So, are whole little argument started with the Magic Martial Arts thing. What if I made it Magic Dancing (Where You Sometimes Hit People)?

Depends.

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-

On what?

On how it is done.

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-

I could definitely get behind Magic Capoeira.

Jacobs!

Hopefully this means we get some new blood helping out?

I'm not actually familiar with capoeira- but a friend is. I'll ask him about it.

Also, sorry for not taking up the organisation stuff in Sijo's absence- Having no actual computer most of the time sort of limits my ability to configure things without fucking them up.

edited 10th May '12 11:16:00 AM by Exelixi

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-

I won't be able to help out regularly, but if I have any ideas that might work well I'll drop them in. I'm going to have my hands a bit full with Sanctum and (if things work out the way I hope they do) Chion.

Re: Capoeira: It's a martial art developed by slaves in Brazil a few hundred years ago. Due to the fact that slaveowners would rather that their slaves not know martial arts, it was disguised as a dance. The result is a very rhythmic, kick-focused martial art. Think Eddie in Tekken.

edited 10th May '12 11:27:23 AM by KyleJacobs