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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

Weirdguy149 The King Without a Kingdom from Lumiose City under development Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#160326: Sep 21st 2023 at 1:24:17 PM

Wasn't Logan basically cancer-stricken in Logan?

It's been 3000 years…
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#160327: Sep 21st 2023 at 1:37:19 PM

No, just finally starting to grow old.

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#160328: Sep 21st 2023 at 1:38:46 PM

Ah, as I recall Logan, it was his age but also unknown to everyone the bad guy's anti-mutant corn syrup was deadening his healing factor?

RedHunter543 Team Rocket Boss. Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#160329: Sep 21st 2023 at 1:44:36 PM

Man, mutants being exterminated by contaminated crops certainly is a thing.

I recall that's inspired by a RL conspiracy theory.

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#160330: Sep 21st 2023 at 2:34:22 PM

It was definitely a more Singerverse way of killing all the mutants than "Mysterio did it and now Red Skull is King of America".

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#160331: Sep 21st 2023 at 2:36:18 PM

Yeah they couldn't use Mysterio, but they liked the idea of an X-man killing off the entire team by accident.

Isn't that right Xavier?

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MatthewWayne The Man Outside Reality from TVA Headquarters Since: Oct, 2014
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#160332: Sep 21st 2023 at 2:38:52 PM

Good thing Xavier got the drop on Wanda in Multiverse of Madness. Imagine what could've happened if she got inside his head first...

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#160333: Sep 21st 2023 at 3:42:51 PM

[up][up][up] Hulk's hillbilly kids too.

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RedHunter543 Team Rocket Boss. Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#160334: Sep 21st 2023 at 3:43:42 PM

That’s more of Millar’s edgy writing that I can do without.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#160335: Sep 21st 2023 at 3:51:27 PM

Thats the second time Miller wrote Hulk as a cannibal and possible sexual offender.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#160337: Sep 21st 2023 at 9:44:03 PM

Ultimates in 2002 which preceded Old Man Logan's run in 2008.

Hulk in Ultimates was portrayed as a full monster and was represented as all the repressed emotions of Banner.

So cause he was sexually repressed and a vegetarian, Hulk was a rapist and a cannibal.

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#160338: Sep 21st 2023 at 10:46:28 PM

[up]Huh, and to think that Ultimates influenced the MCU, where the rapists go to the ambiguously canon Netflix end.

I also wonder how Millar feels about his role in the MCU's success, especially since its cheery and clean tone contrasts with his.

Edited by fanman on Sep 21st 2023 at 10:49:34 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#160339: Sep 21st 2023 at 11:39:06 PM

Given his comments about the film adaptation of Kick-Ass, I doubt he cares. Millar is at least self-aware enough to understand that the kind of work he does wouldn't translate well, without changes, to other mediums. Creatives are usually ok when other people do stuff that isn't what they themselves would do, especially when they're multi-millionaires with their own sandbox of characters to play with for decades.

Now, if the MCU was cartoonishly violent and featured sexual assault as a kind of gag, then he might say something angry and heavily-accented.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#160340: Sep 22nd 2023 at 1:53:51 AM

Prolly the funniest thing Miller said about an adaptation was ironically related to a DC movie.

He once made a tweet trashing Man of Steel, unfortunately only a couple days before Netflix announced the quick cancellation of the show Jupiter Legacy after only one season which was adapted from the comic he wrote, and intended to be the start of a new "cinematic universe".

Talk about egg on your face.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 22nd 2023 at 2:38:30 AM

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#160341: Sep 22nd 2023 at 2:33:57 AM

Jupiter’s Legacy; Jupiter Ascending is a completely unrelated movie by the Wachowskis.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#160342: Sep 22nd 2023 at 2:38:08 AM

Ahaha oh my misname on my part. Funny correction, thanks for pointing it out. [lol]

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 22nd 2023 at 2:38:14 AM

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#160343: Sep 22nd 2023 at 2:43:15 AM

Yeah, reading that name threw me for a loop, but I was totally ready to buy that Jupiter Ascending was an adaptation of a comic book and it got a second tv show adaptation that I never heard about which was canceled quickly.

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#160344: Sep 22nd 2023 at 11:20:21 AM

To be fair, Millar still has his Netflix MCU. Super Crooks is set in the same universe.

On a side note, I find it funny The Boys has its own MCU now, despite being a Take That!. Gen V, and to a lesser extent The Boys: Diabolical.

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#160345: Sep 22nd 2023 at 11:22:34 AM

“You have become the very thing you swore to destroy.”

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#160346: Sep 22nd 2023 at 11:46:32 AM

[up][up] The anime Super Crooks is great yeah.

Though I'm not looking forward to live-action version that is explicitly set in the Jupiter's Legacy universe (despite the comics not having a connection)

Reeks of desperation there

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#160347: Sep 22nd 2023 at 1:10:52 PM

What's funny is that I heard that Millar hated Captain America: Civil War despite writing the original comic. His main complaint? He thought it was too dark:

Civil War had a good opening twenty mins, but then I honestly can't remember what the movie was about. It's interesting the Russos have a background in comedy because it's really missing in these otherwise well-made pictures and very, very missed. I really hope this bleakness doesn't extend into their two Avengers pictures because what made that first Avengers work was the light as well as shade and I'll be sad if that's all lost like it was in this picture.

MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#160348: Sep 22nd 2023 at 2:12:38 PM

[up] ????????

The main criticism of Civil War I've seen is that it's too light-hearted, particularly in the airport fight. As much as I love Civil War, that airport scene really is peak quip v. quip writing. That take, coming from that creator, is baffling.

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#160349: Sep 22nd 2023 at 3:36:14 PM

It's like he lives in Opposite World.

RedHunter543 Team Rocket Boss. Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#160350: Sep 22nd 2023 at 3:38:52 PM

Feels like he’s arguing in bad faith TBH.

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