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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

AyyItsMidnight Ordinary Corrupt Android Love Since: Oct, 2018
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#109501: Sep 13th 2019 at 12:13:40 PM

Yeah, Scar Jo is sadly keeping me from being more excited for the BW movie. I would ''like': it to be good, and hell, it pretty much will be at the very least, but a lead who I largely haven't been impressed by in the MCU and is kind of a bad person IRL bad person IRL plus the fact that this movie coming out this late into the franchise (and especially after she killed herself off in Endgame) just really dampens my enthusiasm, in a way that the other Phase 4 movies haven't.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Sep 13th 2019 at 12:14:08 PM

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#109502: Sep 13th 2019 at 12:13:52 PM

Watsonianly speaking, she was busy playing Space Cop over the rest of the galaxy.

Like she said, Earth has the Avengers, most other places only have her.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#109503: Sep 13th 2019 at 12:16:14 PM

Allegedly there was a version filmed where Carol came to Vormir and she and Nat fought some of Thanos’s forces there.

From a Doylist POV there wasn’t much for Carol to do story-wise on the Time Heist, but in universe there’s no reason why the Avengers couldn’t have waited for her, especially with no idea what’s on Vormir the “dominion of death”. And it’d save fuel because Carol doesn’t need a ship so they wouldn’t have to spend Pym Particles on the Benatar.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 13th 2019 at 12:18:03 PM

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, Bitch! from Eldritch Nightmareland Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, Bitch!
#109504: Sep 13th 2019 at 12:18:08 PM

Xavier being changed to a black man is fine.

Magneto, on the other hand.......

While Black people might have been victims of the holocaust, Magneto's jewish heritage is integral to his character as a whole.

They need to tread carefully with that idea.

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Weirdguy149 The King Without a Kingdom from Lumiose City under development Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
The King Without a Kingdom
#109505: Sep 13th 2019 at 12:18:24 PM

Black Charles is fine by me, but Magneto does kind of need to be Jewish for his backstory to work.

It's been 3000 years…
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#109506: Sep 13th 2019 at 12:19:15 PM

He can be Black and Jewish.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#109507: Sep 13th 2019 at 12:22:01 PM

[up]European Jews circa WWII? That’s of course, unless they distance him from the Holocaust which is its own hornet nest.

Plus if they lean into the “Xavier is MLK, Magneto is Malcom X”, they really run the risk of being blatant to the point of offensiveness, reducing a very real conversation about securing equal rights in a society that denied them to people into good vs evil.

Edited by Beatman1 on Sep 13th 2019 at 3:22:15 PM

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#109508: Sep 13th 2019 at 12:25:56 PM

You probably can find a bunch of ethnicities opressed enough to make it Magneto's backstory in the last 50 years.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#109509: Sep 13th 2019 at 12:26:17 PM

There were absolutely black jews during the Holocaust and that part of history has been somewhat erased by racism and stereotyping.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#109510: Sep 13th 2019 at 12:39:03 PM

Cast Eric Andre. Problem solved.

Edited by comicwriter on Sep 13th 2019 at 12:39:11 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#109511: Sep 13th 2019 at 1:04:35 PM

I highly doubt that they will make either Xavier or Magneto black. The MCU is beginning to be more progressive, but it's not that progressive.

Also, they are years and years away from making anything X-Men related and so I very much doubt that they are casting anything right now.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 13th 2019 at 1:05:09 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#109512: Sep 13th 2019 at 1:11:27 PM

[up][up]Now I'm imagining Magneto trying to break into the Xavier Academy but being foiled by a wooden fence replacing the metal one.

"Let me in... LET ME IIIIIIIIIIIIIN!"

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#109513: Sep 13th 2019 at 1:16:03 PM

How reliable is full circle cinema? This is probably the first time I've heard of them breaking news.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#109514: Sep 13th 2019 at 1:16:58 PM

a little known website gets clicks through a headline,colour me shocked!

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#109515: Sep 13th 2019 at 1:25:14 PM

Speaking as a Jewish person, I would be fine with Magneto being black, as long as he was still Jewish. Black Jews do totally exist, and he could still have the Holocaust backstory.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#109516: Sep 13th 2019 at 1:25:35 PM

There's been an increase of rumors pushed from websites of iffy credibility ever since D23, so most likely this one goes with the rest. Given the MCU's pattern of avoiding things we've seen in prior adaptations, we probably won't see Xavier and Magneto for a while.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#109517: Sep 13th 2019 at 1:36:23 PM

Conversely, I can totally see them race swapping the actors if for no other reason than to immediately differentiate the new Xavier and Magneto from the Fox versions. We've already seen them take some fairly big liberties with the Spider-Man franchise for the sake of trying to mix things up from prior adaptations.

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#109518: Sep 13th 2019 at 2:53:21 PM

Time to bring in black cowboy Cyclops!

TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#109519: Sep 13th 2019 at 3:33:45 PM

[up][up][up], [up][up]

Speaking of rumors and Spider-Man...

A new rumor is buzzing saying that Sony is offering 30% of the profits from future Spider-Man movies (Disney offered 25% and then 50% when Tom Rothman was sitting on the 25% offer), which will let him stay in the MCU.

However, Spidey can come back to the MCU, but on the condition that Venom will appear as well.

I know this may be bogus. In fact, I'm pretty sure it IS bogus. But on the 0.0000000000001% chance that it's somehow legit, Disney should just say yes. It's gone on long enough, I just want the nightmare of not having Spider-Man in the MCU to go away.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#109520: Sep 13th 2019 at 3:37:28 PM

As someone who'd kill for Spider-Man to be kept around, let it go, man.

Just wait until the execs say something.

Erm, I wouldn't actually kill anyone, of course. My freezer is still full.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#109521: Sep 13th 2019 at 3:40:34 PM

Hey I'd do it if ya payed me.

Family just went through somewhat of a crisis & the need for green is felt now.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#109522: Sep 13th 2019 at 3:42:34 PM

[up]So is mine, why do you think the freezer is full?

RavenWilder Raven Wilder Since: Apr, 2009
Raven Wilder
#109523: Sep 13th 2019 at 3:42:43 PM

I don't want a Magneto of any race showing up in the MCU, not until the X-Men are seven or eight films into their reboot continuity, anyway. The dude is played out.

Edited by RavenWilder on Sep 13th 2019 at 3:44:11 AM

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TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#109524: Sep 13th 2019 at 3:44:34 PM

[up][up][up][up] I know I have to let it go. It's obvious I need to let it go. But there's always something that keeps reeling me back in.

[up][up][up] What's your preferred price rate, $100 an hour?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 13th 2019 at 6:44:47 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#109525: Sep 13th 2019 at 3:51:23 PM

[up] 1,000 dollars per hour.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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