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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#96851: Feb 15th 2019 at 12:51:19 PM

I think I like this idea a lot more than the idea of a continuation. There's a lot of interesting space to explore with the Asgardians and their (tenuous) connections to Norse mythology.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#96852: Feb 15th 2019 at 12:54:45 PM

Aaand maybe that means Loki will stay deadtongue

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#96854: Feb 15th 2019 at 1:21:03 PM

I’m not sure how I feel about Loki Doctor Who. I’d rather get something... I dunno what, but not that.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96856: Feb 15th 2019 at 1:21:29 PM

I actually still hope that it's about Kid Loki in the present, with flashbacks to Tom Hiddleston Loki in the past.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96857: Feb 15th 2019 at 1:28:28 PM

I feel that they want to keep the option of kid Loki for future movies...and that that the series might be about laying the ground for the option.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#96858: Feb 15th 2019 at 2:43:32 PM

Kid Loki did do a bit of meddling with the timeline so it's not impossible.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Dirtyblue929 Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#96860: Feb 16th 2019 at 5:12:37 PM

[up] Man, David Hayter's never gonna get one of his scripts used sad

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#96861: Feb 16th 2019 at 5:14:43 PM

he wrote an early script for Watchmen which Alan Moore himself, notoriously famous for disowning his work's adaptations, praised as the closest ever translation of his work yet.

Y'know, just that would be enough to wish one of his scripts was made into a movie, but finding out he wrote the first two X-Men really seals the deal for me.

MrHellboy The Spectre Monk from The Twilight Zone Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Spectre Monk
#96862: Feb 16th 2019 at 11:34:10 PM

Well, he also wrote the screenplay for The Scorpion King, which was the cinematic debut of a little-known gentleman by the name of Dwayne Johnson, so...

Six of one, half-a-dozen of the other

Edited by MrHellboy on Feb 16th 2019 at 1:34:24 PM

I guess, after a night of pillaging and raping, a Viking wants a little something to go with his cocoa.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96863: Feb 16th 2019 at 11:40:42 PM

Wait...what...I somehow thought that they put the writer of captain Marvel on the Black Widow Project?

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#96864: Feb 16th 2019 at 11:45:29 PM

The prior script was written by Jac Schaeffer. She has co-written the Captain Marvel movie and is now attached to the Scarlet Witch and the Vision series.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 16th 2019 at 11:45:49 AM

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#96865: Feb 17th 2019 at 6:37:15 AM

Yeah, this is a RE-write, so the original writer has definitely done at least some preliminary treatments. Whether he is meant to be doctoring or tweaking the existing work in some way or doing a grounds-up scrap and rebuild (as was the case in Ant-Man IIRC) I don't know.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#96866: Feb 17th 2019 at 11:59:16 AM

What necessitated a rewrite?

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96867: Feb 17th 2019 at 1:12:29 PM

Loads of films go through re-writes. Sometimes the producers or director simply isn't satisfied with the way the script is written, so they bring in someone else to re-write either parts or all of it.

Remember: Jac Schaeffer wasn't even the first writer for Captain Marvel. The original writers were Nicole Perlman and Geneva Robertson-Dworet. Then Schaeffer was brought in to rewrite their script and the directors Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck rewrote that script.

Edited by alliterator on Feb 17th 2019 at 1:14:38 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#96868: Feb 17th 2019 at 1:32:38 PM

I do hope the rewrite doesn't amount to even more "male gazey abuse but she has a gun so it's feminist".

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#96869: Feb 17th 2019 at 1:51:12 PM

Based on their work in TWS and CW Markus and Mcfeely seemed to have a solid grasp of the character that avoided gendered tropes.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96870: Feb 17th 2019 at 2:16:03 PM

Yeah, They have done an excellent job with her. Pretty much everything I love about Black Widow came from them.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96871: Feb 17th 2019 at 3:39:02 PM

I do hope the rewrite doesn't amount to even more "male gazey abuse but she has a gun so it's feminist".
Considering that Ned Benson was brought in because of his work on The Disappearance of Eleanor Rigby, where he was convinced to write the movie not just from the male perspective (Him), but also from the female perspective (Her), I doubt this would be the case.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96872: Feb 17th 2019 at 3:53:38 PM

This kind of makes me nervous...I saw Jac Schaeffer getting Black Widow as a good sign for the quality of Captain Marvel. If you now gets replace I hope this doesn't point to problems with Captain Marvel's narrative....

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#96873: Feb 17th 2019 at 4:11:21 PM

He wasn't replaced. The script was just handed off to another writer. Again: it happens all the time. It happened with Captain Marvel, too. Hell, the first Iron Man movie was still being written as it was being filmed.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#96874: Feb 17th 2019 at 11:00:12 PM

[up] I am aware. Doesn't really happen to Marcus and Mc Feely, though, and the Captain America arc is easily the strongest in the MCU.

LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#96875: Feb 17th 2019 at 11:24:42 PM

Honestly, I don't really have that much interest in Captain Marvel, if only because of the way Brie Larson has been using the film to virtue signal non-stop and all of her comments regarding white men, something that the cast of Black Panther very wisely avoided doing. I'll just let this video explain (please watch before critiquing it):

I really hope Endgame doesn't end with Captain Marvel steamrolling Thanos.

Edited by LDragon2 on Feb 17th 2019 at 11:27:10 AM


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