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Ya know that's the same general complaint lobbed at that X-Men: Apocalypse billboard that had Apocalypse choking out Mystique.

What its alright for men to get choked out but not women?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

There's two differences here: that was an advertisement for the movie, plastered up in a huge billboard where everyone could see. Nobody complained about it happening in the movie, they were complaining that it happened on a billboard. And two: Bruce never actually chokes Wanda, he only threatens to.

Edited by alliterator on Dec 15th 2018 at 11:20:00 AM

I can't get over how Abomination reminds me of the Goombas in the Super Mario Bros. movie. Otherwise, I can't add much to the Hulk talk since I haven't seen TIH. What I can add is that I was never too invested in Bruce/the Hulk until Ragnarok, since his interactions with Thor were easily among that movie's highlights.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Dec 15th 2018 at 11:21:14 AM

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Man, that's the third time the Super Mario Bros. movie has come up today for me.

He DOES kinda resemble the Goombas, now that I think about it.

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He does grab her and wrap an arm around her neck, so, yeah, he was willing to act on his threat...

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Dec 15th 2018 at 11:34:57 AM

I never said he wasn't willing, only that he didn't do it. And he didn't — he gets her on a position which would be a chokehold, but clearly isn't since she can still breath.

Also, you do realize I'm on the side of "Bruce clearly has deep-seated anger issues and is much more than just the 'goofy scientist.'"

Edited by alliterator on Dec 16th 2018 at 12:20:52 PM

Thus far I haven't seen anything to suggest MCU Banner had any emotional issues before becoming the Hulk, unlike comics and '03 Banner.

That's because 1) we never saw him before he became the Hulk and 2) we've only seen the Mark Ruffalo Hulk in the context of either Avengers films (where there isn't much time to show backstory) or someone else's movies (Iron Man 3, Thor: Ragnarok).

So you're agreeing with me that he doesn't have pre-established issues, because of a lack of time to show any.

No, I'm agreeing that we never saw any of his deep-seated issues before he became the Hulk, mainly because we never saw him before he became the Hulk.

I mean, he still has deep-seated anger issues. That's kind of the entire point of the Hulk. You can tell he has issues from his appearances in, well, every film he's in.

That Banner has anger issues is not in question. It's whether those anger issues are a result of his plight as having the Hulk or if they were there before the accident.

Pretty much.

In Avenger and AOU we seen him being quiet and awkard man who get annoyed by a few thing, a big one is when people intent to manipulate, a good moment is when Romnanov try to recruit him to Shield, the insistent was so much he mini hulk out a little bit.

Ragnarok again is just.....off, but then again that movie is "everyone is a dick and people forget it", so whatever.

And I see Banner threating to kill wanda as him REALLY annoying of what she did to him, which...it never get reference again, damn AOU.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

I, for me, love the idea that the gamma creatures manifest someone's deep psyche and that Hulk's case is so strong it looks like DID (although I don't really like the idea of multiple Hulks besides those that would make more sense, like the Doctor or the Green Scar). The movies could explore this dynamic and seem to have begun doing so, if we go by Infinity War.

As for Black Panther a few pages ago, it's still loaded with racial discussion, albeit some things might look a bit subtle (like the "I'm not the king of the world, I'm the king of Wakanda" dialogue).

... And that's called jazz!

I didn't say it wasn't, but the racial discussion has to sit side-by-side with all manner of subplots and world building and generally they can't focus as much in it as a movie focused solely on the discussion, like Fruitvale Station.

The movie also give what I see as the first black edgelord(Killmonger) which is very pretty damn impresive as hell.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Why would gamma radiation give him anger issues, though? That doesn't make any sense.

And if the MCU has any plans to introduce She-Hulk, it has to be the case that the gamma radiation manifests what's already inside them. Or else She-Hulk would be the same "grr angry!" type of Hulk that Bruce is.

No, he doesn't get "annoyed" by a few things. He's a man who stays quiet, but is always angry. Hell, he even says that he's always angry.

It's called coding. It is generally advisable to avoid having your heroes engage in behaviors that are indicative of characteristics you don't want associated with them.

For instance, writing any scene that features Steve Rogers telling a woman to smile would be a no-no. You might intend it innocently enough, but associating Captain America with the stereotype of men telling women to smile can easily ruin the character for people who've had to live that stereotype firsthand.

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He said plight of having hulk, having a monster inside of you would make everyone angry.

And yet he can said whatever he want but is action kinda said otherwise, there are moment when he lose control, and they are related to a) someone try to using and b) disloyalty, which is why he so mad a wanda.

Edited by unknowing on Dec 16th 2018 at 1:46:11 PM

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

When did he say that? Also, there's a difference between being angry and always being angry.

He's not mad at Wanda for being "disloyal." That's...no. He's mad at Wanda because she made his worst nightmare come true — she made him lose control as the Hulk and go on a rampage.

That line is a whole lot of telling and not showing. We see a lot more of Banner being awkward, nervous and hell even happy than we see of him being angry. And again, it doesn't show that his anger issues existed before he became the Hulk. Hulk (2003) did a better job of exploring this.

Edited by windleopard on Dec 16th 2018 at 10:04:09 AM

No, I mean, when did Bruce Banner say that the "plight of the Hulk would make anyone angry." Because you just quoted me and I never actually said that.

Just because we only get small glimpses of that anger doesn't mean it isn't there. Small glimpses are all we need, otherwise Bruce would be completely unlikeable as a character.

Becuase we never see him before he became the Hulk. But there are enough hints — including what happens to the Abomination and the Leader when exposed to gamma radiation — that shows the gamma radiation does something similar to the Super Soldier Serum: it shows what's really inside.

If you want me to say that Incredible Hulk was a bad movie, you've got no argument there. I'm not sure why you are arguing about Bruce having deep-seated anger issues though — I'm pretty sure that's not something in question.

" Bruce would be completely unlikeable as a character." No, we see over and over stuff like Cap dedication and headbuttness to know it is there or Tony arrogance or Nat being laconic in general, Bruce need more thant just "sure is always angry" specially since we show is anger when he feel someone force him(SHIELD, Wanda, Nat,etc).

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

There's a big difference between always being dedicated, arrogant, or...laconic? Really? and always being angry. First of all: anger is generally not a useful emotion to have when just talking to people who are your friends or colleagues, so people who are always angry tend to keep that anger hidden away, only letting it out in private moments. Second of all: anger is also something that is considered a bad trait, as opposed too Cap's dedicated or Natasha's...seriously, laconic is all you got? Natasha has no other traits, she's just...quiet? I mean, she isn't even that quiet, as we've seen her talk a bunch of times.

By the way, Bruce says that he's always angry. And why would he lie about that? In fact, isn't explicitly turning into the Hulk on command kind of proving what he says is true?

Edited by alliterator on Dec 16th 2018 at 10:39:12 AM

I said Lconic because is not that natasha dosent talk but she always do in very short way, mantain the same expresion, so let no distract on point.

You dont need to be always in rage to show you are anger but it need to be more in order to be belive as trait, so far that is not the case with Bruce.

And that would be....if we seen transform in comand, something we dont see in AOU(Natasha kick him to trigger the transformation) and in Ragnarok who Banner take way to transform again so so far is waste.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

He transforms on command in Ragnarok, he just jumps out of a ship to do so. In Age of Ultron, he doesn't want to transform after the Hulk's rampage, but Natasha forces him (which is why he leaves). Infinity War is the only movie where he can't change on command.