DEATH BATTLE

This reminds me of when I was writing my multi fictional work story and there was a part that necessitated sacrificing one of the Big 2 (Which admittedly at the time was more for a shock twist, but nowadays has been woven more naturally into the plot)

I decided it had to be Marvel because DC is more bullshit on the power scale, and that even with all the broken stuff I stuffed my character with he just wasn't going to beat the Speed Force...

...Turns out I had also just severely underestimated the power scale of Marvel despite being the bigger fan of it, and now at best I've made this character of mine complex multiversal with a tool in his pocket that let him take out Galactus.

Though this is hardly as funny as the time a friend of mine asked me which Dragon Ball character Mario would beat and I just wildly said "He could probably beat Dodoria". Nowadays though, it's likely with high end feats, Mario could actually fold Buu easily lol.

But that's enough of that tangent. Point is...

COMIC BOOKS ARE BULLSHIT.

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I mean, relatedly, video games love throwing in black holes without caring about what that implies about the characters if you take it literally according to physics.

A lot of video game characters get buffed to hell in vs battle terms when you account for their black hole feats.

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- Behold our hero resisting a suction of a black hole! Is he not a total badass?

- Shouldn't, with the way black holes work, it be more like falling into it. Can you resist fa...

- SHUT UP!!!

Resisting or creating black holes. Dodging laser beams. Splitting the clouds. Shaking an area. All pillars of “writers don’t know how impressive this would be/are just running on rule of cool” and very rarely reflect abilities in other aspects of their series. They are cool, though.

Just have pg-13 violence like how Mitsuru killed Weiss by "stabbing her while she was frozen."

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).

I'm inclined to disagree on black holes. Their feats are not cool at all because, the way they're portrayed in most of fiction, they just suck.

BOOOOO, boo this man!

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Next you're going to tell me that dodging a "laser" moving slower than a baseball doesn't mean my character is fifty trillion times faster than light.

I missed the part where that's my problem.

Versus debate might be the only thing I've seen where "This character has affected the clouds" actually meant anything.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

Now that's a Battle Royale that be interesting to see.

And Eeveelution Battle Royale.

8 different types, with their own pros and cons.

I’d have to throw my hat in the ring for Sylveon.

Firstly, I’m working under the assumption of “all the Eeveelutions should relatively scale to each other”, so shown feats aren’t particularly important. There’s obvious stat differences (some are bulkier than others, some are faster, etc.), but nothing along the lines of “Umbreon’s best feat is street level, while Leafeon accomplished this continent level feat”, they’re at least close enough in that regard.

At which point, I think Sylveon takes it. It and Jolteon are the only two that don’t have one of their weaknesses present among another Pokémon on the roster, meaning they’re the least likely to be taking significant damage at SOME point, and natural access to Draining Kiss gives it recovery that lets it keep fighting for a while. Misty Terrain can be used to completely eliminate status effects such as burns from Flareon, paralysis from Jolteon and sleep from Leafeon’s Grass Whistle (albeit, that’s just as beneficial for Sylveon as it is any other Eeveelution). Access to strong moves like Moonblast off of good Special Attack is good to, as well as Light Screen further reducing damage from special-based attacks. It even has Skill Swap for some fun shenanigans there, though on the note of abilities, Cute Charm could potentially render its opponents much less likely to even get to attack Sylveon.

Their biggest disadvantage is definitely their physical defense, meaning they could fall to a fierce assault. Although, lacking a weakness that the other Eeveelutions can exploit and having access to self-healing should give Sylveon the capabilities to cover up for this weakness.

Do any of the Eeveelutions have access to Taunt though, or are we just going off their natural level up movesets?

Cause Taunt would shut down a lot of Sylveon's options.

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I’m making the assumption of level up moves, though it seems like Umbreon has gotten the move through some means, none by level up though. If using moves gained from outside leveling up, then Umbreon’s access to this could significantly dent Sylveon.

Though given Dark is weak to Fairy, Umbreon would essentially be taking one for the team there.

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To address another possible factor here, we do have Eevee itself. The match-up art does include Eevee in the center, after all. If we DO include Eevee… Well it definitely loses, it has next to nothing over its evolved forms. Unleeeeeess we’re looking at the Partner Eevee from Let’s Go Eevee, which does give it a lot of really good moves that cover the types the others have. However, this opens the door to trainer intervention, which also means it can be argued the Eeveelutions get full access to T Ms, Tutors and Egg moves, which opens all options significantly.

Let's talk about Advantages then.

Leafeon and Glaceon have the very vital advantage of having the Terrain advantage.

Leafeon and Glaceon both can naturally learn Sunday and Snowscape, which alters the weather in either advantage. For Glaceon, it helps with it's evasion and harder to hit. With Leafeon, who can learn Synthesis, it can heal itself much more effectively.

Sunny Day is a rather unfortunate bonus for Flareon, Espeon and Umbreon. Flareon's fire type moves with only hit harder (much more on Leafeon), but both Espeon and Umbreon can use their healing moves much more effectively as well sine Moonlight and Morning Sun heals much more.

Snowscape is just a major plus for Glaceon due to Snowscape only just benefiting it and affecting everyone else. It raises it's defense by 50 percent, her ability Snow Cloak raises it's evasion by 20%.

So Glaceon has a big plus in this.

(Also, Sylveon can learn Misty Terrain, but it doesn't really give her a boost, in fact, it just gives benefits to everyone since it prevents status affect ailments, like poison or burns hurting, doesn't cure, but it doesn't hurt. Plus it halves the damage of Dragon type moves and increases specific fairy type moves. It can use it since it's a Terrain Move, and it can stack with whatever weather happens to be around.)

Fun fact, every single Eeveelution can learn Last Resort.

From all of this though... It's save to say Vaporeon has no chance at winning. It has no ways of increasing it's odds, doubtful it be powerful enough to survive especially when Two of it's Two biggest weaknesses are on the field. It's biggest advantage in this fight is that it can reset all status changes with Haze... but that's all it can really do.

Edited by Mrbda241 on Mar 29th 2024 at 2:43:11 AM

Yeah, quite a few of the Eeveelutions DO have healing options. Umbreon, Espeon, Vaporeon and Leafeon all have some methods of self-recovery (three different ones for Leafeon, what with Synthesis, Leech Seed, and Giga Drain), which means they can stay in longer. However, all do have some weaknesses among the group (Leafeon having two) that can diminish the effectiveness, and Umbreon and Espeon are weather dependent to be at their best there. With that said, Leafeon absolutely has it best with all his options, especially Leech Seed.

Misty Terrain definitely effects everyone equally, though it just means that Pokemon with healing capabilities will be able to last even longer without worrying about status conditions damaging them or stopping them.

The evasion boost in show IS great for Glaceon, I’ll admit. It won’t hurt a whole lot, but every Eeveelution does get Swift, which means they’ll always have options to hit it though.

Another thing is, Leafeon's Leech Seed can work in Misty Terrain, since it's technically not a status move, and it can use it up to 10 times, and there is no define limit to how many at once. Leafeon can theoretically attach a Leech Seed on just about every Eeveelution and gain massive recovery from them all over time.

Another advantage for Glaceon is it will always have the better terrain advantage since it can use Snowscape twice as much as Leafeon can use Sunny Day. It weakens Leafeon, Umbreon and Espeon's healing moves due to the weather to 1/4 healing potential.

A Big Plus for Sylveon is also Last Resort. Every Single Eeveelution can use it, but if it came down to it, Only Sylveon can give a bit more strength to it thanks to it's ability Pixilate, which changes all Normal Type moves to Fairy type, giving it a stab boost in the process (Heck, any moves it auto learns will have a bigger boost, making Swift a bit more dangerous). Plus, Psych Up, another vital advantage Sylveon has (along with Espeon, can copy all stat changes from it's opponent, meaning it can just gain any powerful boost from any Eevelution.

Jolteon however, has a big advantage against all of them thanks to it's speed advantage. It's the fastest among them all, and it can use Agility to increase it further, making it even more difficult to land a hit that's not Swift (or in Leafeon's case, Magical Leaf). It can handle Umbreon's weakness to fighting type moves with Double Kick, Espeon thanks to Bite and Pin Missile. No Natural Weaknesses in this fight either, as not a single Eeveelution has a Ground Type Move that is effective. It has a nice balance of Physical and Special Attacks that will hurt every other option

For me, It comes down to Sylveon (For Defensive and Stat Change abilities, No apparent type weakness to exploit), Glaceon (Snowscape gives it a big advantage and a power up to it's Ice moves and survival), Leafeon (Due to it's numerous healing options, no matter the weather, much more options in guaranteed attacks) and Jolteon (Superior speed that always grows, Diverse enough Move Pool to take advantage of nearly every Eeveelution's weaker stats, if only by a little at a time).

If it came down to 2. Jolteon and Sylveon would likely be there... And only Sylveon has the means to match Jolteon's speed with Psyche Up, but it can render all of Jolteon's Electric Attacks moot if it uses Skill Swap and take the Volt Asorb, leaving with Jolteon with very little attacking power.

Edited by Mrbda241 on Mar 29th 2024 at 3:35:24 AM

Very good write-up regarding the Eeveelution Battle Royale, a lot of factors to account for there.

It should be noted that in a battle royale, Leafeon and Glaceon's weather advantages would be working against each other. There can only be one weather in effect. If Leafeon spends a turn (or a few seconds of battle time) on Sunny Day then Glaceon loses Snowscape, and has to spend a turn/few seconds of battle time on Snowscape to get it back - costing Leafeon the benefits of Sunny Day.

Also, Sunny Day in particular hurts Leafeon as much as it helps. It powers up Leafeon's Synthesis, to be sure... but it also powers up Flareon's Fire attacks, which Leafeon is vulnerable to. A full-strength Synthesis won't be much good for Leafeon if Flareon's Flare Blitz does infinity billion damage to it.

Glaceon, by contrast, doesn't have to worry about self-destructing with Snowscape. Once Leafeon's off the board, Glaceon more or less owns the weather.

Unless, of course, Flareon does infinity billion damage to Glaceon too with a Flare Blitz during Leafeon's Sunny Day, since Glaceon shares Leafeon's vulnerability to hyper-boosted Fire moves. Leafeon trying to pull Sunny Day shenanigans could easily double-kill both Leafeon and Glaceon.

In fact, Flareon's not optimized for Special Attacking but they can learn Lava Plume, which hits everyone on the field at once with boosted Sunny Day Fire damage. That won't clinch the entire battle, but it could do a chunk of damage to a lot of Eeveelutions and knock out both Leafeon and Glaceon simultaneously.

EDIT: On that note, Sylveon is the only Eeveelution that naturally learns a Barrier move. It has Light Screen, which cuts incoming Special damage in half. Between that and a naturally high Special Defense (Sylveon's best stat), Sylveon is basically invulnerable to anyone who relies on Special to deal damage.

So Vaporeon, Jolteon, Espeon, and Glaceon are all doing chip damage to Sylveon. And Umbreon's a defensive tank with poor offensive capabilities either way. So literally the only opponents that can even hurt Sylveon with their attacks would be Flareon and Leafeon - the latter of whom may have been annihilated by Flareon due to an inadvisable Sunny Day.

The arguments just keep stacking up for a Sylveon sweep. I think Flareon's the only Pokemon on the board that can possibly stop them - and then only if someone else didn't get to Flareon first.

EDIT EDIT: Okay, I keep looking more into this and Flareon is definitely Sylveon's hard counter.

• Sylveon's main offensive weapon is Moonblast - 95 power, 110 Special Attack against Flareon's 110 Special Defense.
• Flareon, conversely, is using Flare Blitz - 120 power, 130 Physical Attack against Sylveon's 65 Physical Defense.

Flareon's attack hits a lot harder than Sylveon's and slams through Sylveon's vulnerable Physical Defense. While Flareon is built for taking Special hits like it's no big deal. Flareon's also slightly faster (65 Speed to Sylveon's 60) which means they get to attack first.

In a straight fight, Flareon tears through Sylveon like tissue paper - and Light Screen does nothing to stop it.

However, in a battle royale scenario, I still think Sylveon has better odds of taking it. Flareon has a lot of competition on the field, including an elemental counter in Vaporeon who may be gunning for them, while Sylveon has no natural predators in this lineup. If Sylveon can avoid fighting Flareon and let the others either take Flareon out or soften Flareon up, Sylveon wins. In fact, recoil damage from Flare Blitz means that so long as Sylveon avoids them, Flareon is softening themselves up even in brawls they win.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 30th 2024 at 9:42:14 AM

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For anyone like me looking for that amateur, sprite-animated, non-corporate, early season Death Battle energy, there's a channel with a series called MULTIVERSE MATCH that does versus battle videos.

Some bizarre and kooky scenarios to go with the fights too. The focus is more on craziness and fun than competitive balance and fandom rivalry.

Definitely giving me my fix.

Edited by FOFD on Mar 31st 2024 at 5:12:15 AM

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).

I love another Vs Debate reached Twitter, Megaman.EXE vs. Sonic.EXE and everyone all soundly agreed that This is Exactly what .EXE deals with on a daily basis.

Honestly I'm not sure how many other purely digital entities could take .EXE out, like... Ultron, technically? They're few and far between, though, since Hub's stats and ability to directly impede/tamper/debilitate other programs are both ludicrous.

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Hub's Digimon opponent bodies him, so... them too?

What about AI lady from the Ender books?

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