DEATH BATTLE

Really? They made a Goku is a bad dad joke?

I thought we were past that shit!

Wait, this also means they have to talk about Lucina on DB Cast for the CDB. Ahh, this isn't the same as an actual Death Battle but goddamn I've been waiting for some FE love for so long, I'll take it.

Well, they're still making Pokemon=Dogfighting jokes so clearly not.

DBX is a good place for characters from RPGs. In most traditional RPGs, much of the action consists just hyperbolic figures hacking each other in place of an actual fight scene and it's often unclear what the characters are actually supposed to be capable of. Plus, many RPGs have some degree of customization for the characters, which can create large, gaping holes even in things as basic as "Does this character CAST SPELLS or not?"

Final Fantasy especially gets hit by this, while Fire Emblem usually has well-defined characters and only runs into trouble with the hyperbolic nature of its turn-based combat. Well, until Three Houses which also runs into the customization problem. "I want to put Raphael in a Death Battle." "Okay, what are his stats and class?" "UHHHHHHHHHH He could literally be anything and have any stats and use anything, so... IDK?" "Fine. Can you at least tell me what those stats MEAN in terms of actual feats and analysis?" "F*CK IF I KNOW! He bumps the other dude and the little animation shows him winning, except when it shows him losing. Does that help?"

But since DBX is literally a popularity contest, it's a good fit for characters who would be difficult at best to use for Death Battle.

> I thought we were past that shit!

I think the difficulty of using RPG and Tactics characters is exaggerated. It's not easy, sure, but if you're that desperate for hard numbers they do exist. And while customization is indeed a unique obstacle, almost all have a "Recommended" loadout that the game kind of expects them to have.

I mean the DBS manga flat out states that the man blows as a father.

It also states that he doesn't know what kissing is, which raised all sorts of alarm bells about his already questionable marriage in which he's fathered two sons. DBS pretty much canonized "Bad Family Man" Goku.

In fairness to Goku, he literally had no idea what he was signing up for when that marriage certificate was filed. Krillin had to explain marriage to him, and what Krillin told him was that it means Chi-Chi will live in his house. To Goku's credit, Chi-Chi still lives in his house to this day, so he has completed his family obligations to the best of his comprehension.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 3rd 2020 at 11:30:21 AM

I feel no sympathy for Chi-Chi, she should have known what she was getting herself into

Also while one could condemn Bulma for sleeping with a man who nearly destroyed the planet, it’s not really the first time she slept with a guy who tried to kill them.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 3rd 2020 at 10:34:21 AM

Shonen heroes and romance can make for a strange and at times even funny combination. I'm reminded of when Jaden Yuki, the main protagonist of Yu-Gi-Oh GX, was challenged to a duel to see who would be Alexis Rhodes' fiance. And then after he won the duel, it turned out Jaden didn't even know what the word fiance actually meant!

Didn't the marriage pact happen when both Chi Chi and Goku were kids? It seemed like neither knew what they were getting into.

Edited by windleopard on Jun 3rd 2020 at 10:36:09 AM

In fairness to Chi-Chi, her childhood was polluted with so much toxic societal nonsense about the role of women in society that when she received an unsolicited molestation of her crotch, she instantly assumed this meant that this man was her true love and she was to marry him.

Goku and Chi-Chi's marriage is super f*cked up on many levels.

EDIT: And, for context, I should note that that happened because Goku, for a period of time, was sexually assaulting literally everyone he met for innocent child reasons. Fondling people's genitals was the only way he could figure out their gender.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 3rd 2020 at 11:37:49 AM

Oooooh Jaden also ended up with a person who once tried to destroy everything he ever known & loved.

Like Yubel was a fucking monster yet Jaden is gonna be spending the rest of his life with them.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 3rd 2020 at 10:39:00 AM

i mean, all things considered it isn't that bad

they clearly love each other, neither cheat, and in Super Chi-Chi gets mad at Goku for dipping but immediately recognizes that that's her husband

plus goku even became a farmer (or at least tried to, a little bit) for Chi-Chi despite it being the exact opposite of what he likes to do

honestly it's better than prince "emotional neglect" vegeta and bulma's relationship, or krillen and android 18's spousal abuse where they just beat the shit out of each other in an episode

and hey, Goku figured out proper social etiquette eventually

hey can you blame jaden for getting with an edgy goth enby waifu? besides, yubel apologized and then they fused with a children's card game card and died together, or something. season 3 was messed up.

Edited by EpicBleye on Jun 3rd 2020 at 1:46:22 PM

Goku x 21 is my OTP.

I swear shonen has some of the most dysfunctional relationships.

Lest we not forget Sasuke “Can’t even be bothered to send a postcard for 13 years” Uchiha.

Poor Alexis, lost the battle to the person who basically traumatized them all. That’s gotta hurt.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 3rd 2020 at 10:48:27 AM

I feel like Goku has more chemistry with nearly every other female that he interacts with than his actual wife

I don't even think that's up for debate.

I can't really blame DBZ for having weird relationships because of Grandfather Clause but it would have been nice if decades of shonen hadn't copied it on one level or another.

For who wins the popularity contest, Mulan's been a part of many childhoods while Lucina's one of the most popular characters of a very controversial Nintendo franchise. Mulan's going to stomp because Fire Emblem salt is still alive and well.

Counterpoint: Lucina is one of the top Fire Emblem waifus. Only losing out to Lyn, most times.

https://twitter.com/DEATHBATTLE/status/1268240459723419651

Anyway, here's the voting link.

Edited by FlutterFire on Jun 3rd 2020 at 1:02:04 PM

Mulan's movie did get delayed. Shame, can't wait to see her bust out some Wuxia moves.

Oh good we're done with Dragon Ball talk.

Why do shonen writers even include romance in their stories when it's clear they just don't care for it or aren't very good at writing it?

...aand we're back to Dragon Ball talk.

That’s not specific to Dragon Ball.

Naruto x Sasuke favourite ship.