DEATH BATTLE

Hiei's not immune to fire. In the first round of the Dark Tournament, he fights Zeru, a fire elemental whose fiery attacks give him the fight of his life. Hiei unveils the Dragon of the Darkness Flame for the first time in this fight in order to defeat the superior foe. He can't fully control it, however, and the Dragon sears Hiei's arm as well, putting him out of commission for the tournament's second and third rounds.

He verbally blusters, but Kurama calls him out for bluffing; according to him, Hiei using the Darkness Flame despite not having yet mastered it demonstrates how desperate the fight was for him. Without the Darkness Flame, Hiei would have lost to Zeru's immense fire powers.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 18th 2019 at 7:32:22 AM

I think he has at least some immunity to flame (he survived Zeru's initial attack even if he bullshitted a lot about how much it hurt).

I believe the dragon damaging his arm is because it's that powerful.

That being said, since Zero was turned into a black stain on the wall by the dragon despite being a legitimately powerful fire demon in his own right, we can say that either being a fire demon does not make you immune to flames if they are strong enough or that the Dragon of the Darkness Flame is just that OP.

Either one works.

So Hiei & Sasuke both have black fire techniques hyped up as invincible but in reality have performance rates that suck balls correct?

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 18th 2019 at 6:35:43 AM

Oh I see. I remembered how Hiei seemed to no-sell Zeru's attacks but I forgot that he turned out to be bluffing then.

Yup. Guarantee you the animation will have the two go head-to-head if they know what they're doing. It'd be a cool sequence.

Hiei's probably has the better track record but on the other hand is quite dangerous to himself too.

Edited by ShirowShirow on Sep 18th 2019 at 9:42:46 AM

Well, I can't speak for Sasuke, but the Darkness Flame has won a few fights. Only during the Dark Tournament before subsequent arcs rendered it So Last Season, but it did.

The Dragon of the Darkness Flame obliterated Zeru in the first round.

In the fourth round, Hiei fought Kuro Momotaro, who had the ability to become invulnerable to any attack after surviving it once. Hiei needed the Darkness Flame so that he could kill him in a single blow, but was still recovering from summoning the Dragon in the first round. So he created a smaller, more concentrated version of the move: Sword of the Darkness Flame, which successfully slew Kuro Momotaro.

In the fifth round, Hiei summoned the Dragon again in his fight with Bui. Bui was the first person to defeat the Dragon by using his Battle Aura to shield himself from it and turn it aside. With Bui no longer in its sight, the Dragon attacked the next available target: Hiei himself. It devoured Hiei, but Hiei somehow managed to absorb the Dragon from within it. Taking the Darkness Flame within himself gave Hiei a massive power boost that he used to defeat Bui.

It was in later seasons that the Darkness Flame stopped being the OP technique to end all OP techniques. Sensui beat the Dragon by using a similar aura ability to hold it off and letting it push him back through a dimensional barrier it couldn't pass through.

Sensui later defeated Hiei (Dragon Absorbed).

And then Mukuro held back the Dragon with her bare hands and tore it in half.

Okay so Hiei's Darkness Flame actually has worked.

The Amaterasu has never worked against anyone. The closest usage of it that can be regarded as a success is as a nameless jutsu when Itachi used it to bust open toad doors in a makeshift escape attempt in Part 1.

By Shippuden where its actually named & used in combat against people, its either countered or ignored. Sasuke lit A the Raikage's hand on fire but A immediately chopped off his hand like it was nothing & then instantly proceeded to break Sasuke's ribs with just one hand with the heavily implication that A was about to kill Sasuke until outside interference saved Sasuke.

And previously when Sasuke lit Bee on fire during his 8-tails mode he used the fire as a distraction & escaped not because he was scared but because he figured this was a good excuse to play dead so he can run off & be a rap-star like he usually does.

All in all, the Amaterasu sucks ass.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 18th 2019 at 6:50:30 AM

I remember Hiei having a speech about he was the only person in history to be brave enough to catch a dragon to the face on purpose.

"Countless centuries, countless masters trying to harness the power of the Darkness Flame. Only I have had the courage, the strength, and the abandon to realize its glorious potential. I have the power of the black dragon because now I AM THE DRAGON!!!"

Hiei basically has two modes: deadpan snark and scenery-chewing ham. Naturally, at least half of the best lines in the show belong to him.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 18th 2019 at 7:55:53 AM

Yup.

Hiei is also the only person to ever master the darkness flame.

Not his fault that there were still people who were OP without it.

Still, unlike some like some super techniques, the Dragon was successful a few times before it started getting it's Worf Barrage treatment.

I'd say Piccolo with a bit of Yamcha's status as the butt monkey.

This is just a funny little idea I had while I was listening to the song Jack sings in The Nightmare Before Christmas. The one right as he wanders into Christmas Town. You know the one. It got me thinking... what other Disney protagonist went on a journey that made them realize their lot in life wasn't as bad as they thought?

(EDIT: Okay, probably a lot of them (Aladdin, Simba, Cinderella). But, I don't know, specifically who went out seeking more and went right back to doing what they did?)

Wreck-it Ralph.

Jack Skellington vs Wreck-it Ralph

• Jack has next to no combat feats.
  • Au contraire. Check out Oogie Boogie's Revenge for the PS 2. Also, Kingdom Hearts.
• Ralph would crush Jack. He breaks buildings, Jack doesn't.
  • Maybe. Jack fought a gigantic Oogie Boogie and won with the power of music and various costume changes. Ralph's fought monsters larger and smaller than him and been overpowered by both.
• Wait, Jack rolled with Sora, that kid who swings a magic key around and can slice through buildings and moonshot people? Then Ralph loses.
  • Jack doesn't scale to Sora. But Jack can fight monsters and use magic in KH. And OB:R has him turn into Kratos if Kratos replaced the Blades of Chaos with The Flubber.

Edited by FOFD on Sep 19th 2019 at 7:53:30 AM

Though lacking in combat feats, Jack's biggest advantage is that it's not actually clear if he can die. He's a skellington.

The residents of Halloween Town seem convinced that he can, given their reaction to his sleigh getting blown out of the sky. But we cut from there to him chilling on the ground like it's no big deal, singing an alarmingly unremorseful song about his remorse.

Wreck-It Ralph, by contrast, has explicit rules about death. Sonic the Hedgehog tells us at the start of the film, "If you die outside your game, you DON'T regenerate." This provides tension at several points throughout the two films whenever the characters are in perilous circumstances.

I thought Jack's big advantage is that he is the pumpkin king!

But yeah, the not dying thing might be a big one.

Preview at 10:00

Since DBX is finished with its season, the next Community Death Battle is Obi-Wan Kenobi vs. Kakashi Hatake

2/10 no Hello Kitty doll

I got one. Buffy vs Xena. TV's greatest action girls from the 90s.

While Obi-Wan's lightsaber's vastly superior to any ninja weaponry, I'm pretty sure the Sharingan Kakashi has would counteract the Force.

(6) Hah. Now Jack has range (The Flubber whip thing) and is probably more agile. I say he could actually win that.

(5) The only Pump-kin King.

(2) Having never watched a single episode of Xena I'm going to say Buffy takes this on account of being played by Sarah Michelle Gellar, and because she has numerous feats of superhuman strength ranging from bending door handles, to knocking people across rooms, and let's not even get into the First Slayer business.

Edited by FOFD on Sep 20th 2019 at 5:40:03 AM

Considering Xena began as an enemy of Hercules and her main antagonist was Ares, I dont think the slayers' physical strength is even a factor for her.

Edited by Ghilz on Sep 20th 2019 at 8:53:14 AM

It's implied Ares was holding back in their fights.

He was legitimately in love with her, so...

And if you take the comics for buffy into account, where after a certain event occurs, Buffy's slayer powers increase to around being on the level of a Kryptonian, yeah...

Wut.

Buffy's Superman power-up was a short-term buff under extenuating circumstances that lasted the duration of the arc it was for, and then ended. It no more qualifies for Death Battle consideration than Batman's Green Lantern ring does.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 20th 2019 at 8:53:24 AM

I think the Yellow Lantern ring suits him better.