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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Need I remind people, that Secular Talk literally thinks Hillary is evil.
Not her policies, not her positions, but the woman herself.
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Just reposting because it got lost in the shuffle and I'd have expected it to get more of a reaction
"Kentucky lawmaker a 'probable suicide' amid sexual misconduct accusations" - http://www.reuters.com/article/us-kentucky-johnson/kentucky-lawmaker-a-probable-suicide-amid-sexual-misconduct-accusations-idUSKBN1E809N
edited 13th Dec '17 8:02:37 PM by sgamer82
No one here has claimed they're far left. "Far left" would imply there is something especially progressive, or at least especially radical about their positions. In reality their positions often to the right of the Democratic Party, especially on social issues. It's their attitude that is the problem.
Way to mischaracterize the comment you were responding to. He didn't say Clinton was infallible, he said the twits at TYT, Secular Talk, etc, spent months tearing her down. Which they did. And in Secular Talk's case took a step further by railing about how she, personally, was evil, a line that was also put out by Goodman, Stein, and diverse others.
edited 13th Dec '17 8:03:19 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
Fair enough, I suppose.
Why call them "ordinary liberals", then? What makes them so?
Oh God! Natural light!
"Kentucky lawmaker a 'probable suicide' amid sexual misconduct accusations" - http://www.reuters.com/article/us-kentucky-johnson/kentucky-lawmaker-a-probable-suicide-amid-sexual-misconduct-accusations-idUSKBN1E809N
edited 13th Dec '17 8:04:02 PM by Fourthspartan56
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
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Because I follow actual far-left media, and there's an obvious difference.
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Once again, no one was saying they're far left. Just stupid. And in the case of Goodman and Kulinski, more than a little unhinged. The former's Twitter feed reads like that of someone in the last stages of a paranoid breakdown.
edited 13th Dec '17 8:06:29 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
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Would you care to go into more detail? You claim these guys aren't too far removed from the Democrats - how is that the case?
edited 13th Dec '17 8:06:02 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!
Oh, bother.
@sgamer82
Eh, the main reason I didn't comment on it was because I'm not really comfortable commenting on people who commit suicide. Though I agree with Spartan that the guy seemed genuinely unhinged, given that deleted Facebook post mentioned in the article.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Yeah, there's no good way to comment on that particular incident. I mean, man accused of molestation commits suicide? Not touching that. Frankly I'm not sure I could without finding myself in violation of some forum rule.
edited 13th Dec '17 8:16:57 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
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@KarkatTheDalek
Most of them are what I'd describe as "New Deal Liberals". They support things like anti-trust legislation, expanded social services such as single-payer, and tighter regulations on the financial industry, etc. But at the end of the day, they aren't anti-capitalist in any way, shape, or form.
One does not shake the box containing the sticky notes of doom!
Fair enough. Wasn't expecting grave dancing or anything, but the guy went and killed himself over it so I thought it worth bringing up.
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Well, then I guess you'll have to call me a "fringe leftist" too.
Thanks for insulting liberals and the New Deal by comparing them to that pack of twits.
Newsflash: Communism didn't work. Until we find a workable alternative to capitalism, controlling it is all we've got, and anyone who claims to be "anti-capitalist" is either recycling a bad idea or has no idea what they're talking about. You can say the capitalist system is bad all you want, and you'll get little argument from me, but unless you've got a better idea, there's not much else to say.
edited 13th Dec '17 8:20:46 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Socialism is not Communism..... Even if Communism is a type of Socialism it is not the same thing.
And the later has been used to some extent outside of the US successfully.
A procrastination in of itself
Democratic socialism still embraces capitalism though.
Honestly I’m with Amber, the groups being talked about aren’t on the far left, honestly they don’t place particularly strongly on the left-right scale, they’re on the far idiot, because they place very strongly towards the idiot end of the idiot-reasonable scale.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
And the later has been used to some extent outside of the US successfully.
No "socialist" country has ever abandoned the market economy. They're all capitalist in one form or another. That's not a knock on any of those countries—capitalism needs to be regulated for the good of us all. But actually abandoning capitalism? Only countries that have tried that in the last century have been the Communist ones and it uniformly ended poorly.
@Fourthspartan: It matters when comparable groups on the right cause the GOP vastly more trouble than left leaning contrarians. As much as certain people love that old line “Democrats fall in Love, Republicans fall in line”, the reality, at least in the present day is more or less the exact opposite. Clinton retained 90% of her opponents’ 2016 primary voters, compared to high 70s for Trump.
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Newsflash: Most socialists aren't actually Soviet apologists. The Soviet Union has been criticized by many socialists from the very start.
One does not shake the box containing the sticky notes of doom!
edited 13th Dec '17 8:29:00 PM by Fourthspartan56
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
New Deal Liberals?
....
Are you not aware of the MASSIVE concessions and the things FDR had to do to black people to get the South on-board with the ND?
Because if it weren't for that, it would've failed out of committee, let alone when it was put on the floor t o vote.
The New Deal changed America overnight, but let's not look at it as if its legislation that's not rooted in systemic racism and bigotry.
New Survey coming this weekend!
A procrastination in of itself
X3 Most socialists fall into four categories: soviet/Maoist apologist, Anarchists, democratic socialists who accept capitalism and armchair academics who have no impact on the reality of the political world but like to argue political philosophy via very long journal articles.
You’ve said that the third group don’t count because they embrace capitalism, so which of the other three groups do you consider worthwhile?
edited 13th Dec '17 8:31:20 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Every presidential candidate deserves to be scrutinized. Just because she's on "your team" is no excuse to pretend she's infallible.
One does not shake the box containing the sticky notes of doom!