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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Pelosi has sadly become an easy scapegoat for progressives to put the blame on for all of Trump's continued bad policies. It's comforting to pretend that if only she moved forward with impeachment, everything would finally be alright, but it's nothing more than a fantasy.
Life is unfair...
Oh, bother.
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She is the new Hillary Clinton.
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I think just about women in politics is going to be treated like Hilary unfortunately,sexism is rampant in that regard
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Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
While I remain undecided on the merits of Impeachment (I can see the points of boths sides and am honestly unsure which one has the bigger merits) I feel that if the Pro Impeachment Side wins out and the Senate acquits Trump there will be some morons who'll instantly start to blame Pelosi or the Dems for it.
For some (not all, mind, just some) I feel 'Impeachment' has become the same mythical unrealistic Silver Bullet the Muller Report was hyped up to be.
Edited by 3of4 on Sep 21st 2019 at 1:26:08 PM
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Oh, bother.
And the Senate will acquit Trump, make no mistake.
Disgusted, but not surprised
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the Muller Report may not have been the silver Bullet but it did at least confirm congress can conclude that (paraphrasing) Trump did attempt to obstruct justice
Edited by Ultimatum on Sep 21st 2019 at 11:28:37 AM
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This, 100%. Since Trump was elected, a lot of leftists have been so desperate to get him out of office immediately that they've consistently been putting their hopes in some white horse that would supposedly whisk Trump away to jail and we'd all get our Hollywood happy ending. Mike Pence who?
She is destroying the Democratic Party because her refusal to impeach Trump is ruining their reputation. Also, refusing to intitiate impeachment offenses against a criminal is aiding that criminal.
It's disgusting and the people who defend her seem to assume it's a strategy that's working when it's not.
So what is the defense?
How does this jive with the female Democratic Representative who stand for impeachment?
Or do they not count?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/23/politics/democrats-impeachment-whip-list/index.html
Taking Pelosi's actions that way horrific insult to those standing up for the rule of law.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Sep 21st 2019 at 4:58:16 AM
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Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
The argument pro con Impeachment has been had a few times in this thread, I feel no need to reiterate known arguments.
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In your mind maybe. The democratic advantage on the generic ballot is the practically the same as it was leading up to 2018, when Pelosi was also in charge of the party and led them to a forty one seat takeover in the House.
Aren't we supposed to be not arguing about impeachment?
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yep
every time we chase impeachment talk away it comes back again,its a very persistent pest
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Yes.
Do I need to pin this? Please do not argue the pros/cons of impeachment.
Edited by nombretomado on Sep 21st 2019 at 5:42:19 AM
I want to state that I am aware of the mod message and I have zero intention of violating it, this is not about the pros/cons of impeachment but if I'm told to drop it I will.
For good intentions, yes, but she has no business in public service.
This is just wrong, Impeachment is a political act. Not a legal one. That means if her political calculus says it's not worth the costs then that's just as legally valid as doing the opposite.
Whether it's a good idea or not is not worth discussing considering the mod declaration, and clearly pointless considering how it inevitably goes nowhere, but it's borderline dishonest to say that she'a criminal for not taking a political strategy that you want.
And in-general anyone who says that Trump definitely will or won't win in 2020 is a hack and wrong, he's weak and thus could win or lose.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Sep 21st 2019 at 5:51:08 AM
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
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If it's not too much work for the mods, it might actually be a good idea to pin the impeachment discussion ban. I'm probably not the only poster who hasn't had the time to follow this thread in detail with how fast it moves, so I don't completely understand why the topic was banned and what the arguments for/against are (also, I'm not American, so there is probably still a lot of political context I'm lacking). It might be helpful to people who just check in occasionally, or during certain events.
I think that might be a good idea.
As I understand it, the reason talk of impeachment is banned is that it's an unholy mixture of highly subjective (how much risk/reward there is for it is highly debatable) and highly emotional. So we tend to fight about it for pages and pages until the mods have to intervene, so they understandably decided to cut the gordian knot and just put an embargo on discussing it.
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
don't completely understand why the topic was banned and what the arguments for/against are
Some people argue that the Democratic base really wants to see Trump impeached and not doing so is going to greatly demotivate them, lowering their turnout enough to give Trump a second term. Others argue that impeachment is guaranteed to fail in the senatenote , giving the average voter the impression that Trump is actually innocent of the things he's accused of, resulting in him getting a second term. Neither side has been able to do much to convince the other, and the language used can get pretty extreme. Not much accomplished aside from hurt feelings
Edited by Hylarn on Sep 21st 2019 at 7:00:04 AM
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Thanks! That does generally line up with the impression I'd had.
EDIT: NVM
Edited by Draghinazzo on Sep 21st 2019 at 10:43:36 AM
Just to check: Are Trump's rival runners for the republican side still going to try and take the main nomination or have they, like scarecrows flailing in a tornado, given up in this endeavor?
A procrastination in of itself
They’re technically trying, but they’re not going to succeed.
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Its the thought that counts,right?I mean,they may achieve little at least someone within Trump's own party is standing up to him
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More hopefully is maybe they sling enough mud at him to make some Republicans not vote for him.
Thought without action is worthless. I don't think their thought counts, at all.
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
I don't even know where to begin,calling her a criminal because she won't begin impeachment proceedings is the dumbest statement I've ever read
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And no,she's not going to be the reason Trump gets reelected,if Trump gets reelected its because the democrats didn't field the right candidate or didn't make a strong case for their voters to go to the polls
Edited by Ultimatum on Sep 21st 2019 at 10:55:09 AM
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