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Ah, I see. You know, when I visit religious thread, I always run into someone really unexpected, like Aeodug in the Buddhist thread and all that.

Oh, and an obligatory Cracked religious article. Is this accurate?

I'd say yes, although I can't guarantee the numbers are correct.

To be honest, I believed almost all of those in the entries, except that founding father thing because I'm not an American.

Obligatory mention time: All religions can coexist and why can't people see that.

I dunno. Luckily for me, most people are pretty fine with the muslim religion. I think I've only ever gotten serious flak for it...merph...hm...twice. Both online.

Of course, there have been plenty of people who seem to accept "they're muslim" as a reason as to why my parents do certain things, or something.

I was already well aware of why #5, #3 and #1 were total lies.

I never believed #4 or #2 either, but the sets of evidence against them are completely new to me.

edited 10th Aug '11 1:08:38 AM by FuschlatzOReilly

I knew about #2, albeit vaguely.

Being visiting some other sites I already aware of that. I had hoped that they would add what sharia really is. Most people confuse it with fiqh.

edited 10th Aug '11 11:07:29 PM by Blurring

Guess I'm not most people because I don't know what either of them is.

Sharia is the law stipulated in the Quran and Hadiths. Fiqh is the deduced practical interpretation of sharia. Figh also expands the rulings into areas not covered by sharia. Sharia is constant but fiqh is not. The problems begins of course, when a bad interpretation (I'm not sure if this is even fiqh) is being called sharia, making an integral part of the religion looks bad.

edited 11th Aug '11 1:44:16 AM by Blurring

Like when stonings and such are attributed to the country being under "Sharia law"?

As for the article, re #5, is it as rare in the US as in the countries mentioned? because I'm pretty sure I've seen people wearing them before, and I doubt I've seen 50,000 other Muslims that weren't wearing them. I know #3 in an intellectual sense, but still associate "Muslim" with "Arab" (though I might have an overly-broad concept of "Arab". Muslims in places like India and Pakistan probably don't count, but I still think of them as the same category).

I have been to Secularized, non-arab, predominantly muslim, Turkey.

There is a good chunk of nonhijabbers. Especially in the younger generations. The older generations just tend to be casual with it.

Ah, the stoning, one of the negative images associated with Islam that is firmly engraved in popular culture. That doesn't happen that often, does it?

Stoning is one of the hudud punishment. It is part of the sharia. However, to reach that punishment is actually very hard. If I'm not mistaken, during the time of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) none were actually convicted by witnesses. All were convicted by confession of the perpetrators.

And I'm guessing that stoning is no more common for modern Muslims than it is for modern Christians?

Fushlatz: Unfortunately, thanks to certain fundamentalists, it is more common, but most modern people look at it the same way.

And of course, branding something as sharia sells easily to those who doesn't know its full meaning. It works both ways.

What does the Koran, or the rules that Muslim people abide, say about fillial piety?

Quran 4:36

Worship Allah and associate nothing with Him, and to parents do good, and to relatives, orphans, the needy, the near neighbor, the neighbor farther away, the companion at your side, the traveler, and those whom your right hands possess. Indeed, Allah does not like those who are self-deluding and boastful.

Quran 17:23

And your Lord has decreed that you not worship except Him, and to parents, good treatment. Whether one or both of them reach old age [while] with you, say not to them [so much as], "uff," and do not repel them but speak to them a noble word.

Quran 31:14

And We have enjoined upon man [care] for his parents. His mother carried him, [increasing her] in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning is in two years. Be grateful to Me and to your parents; to Me is the [final] destination.

Quran 46:15

And We have enjoined upon man, to his parents, good treatment. His mother carried him with hardship and gave birth to him with hardship, and his gestation and weaning [period] is thirty months. [He grows] until, when he reaches maturity and reaches [the age of] forty years, he says, "My Lord, enable me to be grateful for Your favor which You have bestowed upon me and upon my parents and to work righteousness of which You will approve and make righteous for me my offspring. Indeed, I have repented to You, and indeed, I am of the Muslims."

A hadis.

A man came to the Prophet and said, ‘O Messenger of God! Who among the people is the most worthy of my good companionship? The Prophet said: Your mother. The man said, ‘Then who?' The Prophet said: Then your mother. The man further asked, ‘Then who?' The Prophet said: Then your mother. The man asked again, ‘Then who?' The Prophet said: Then your father. (Bukhari, Muslim).

edited 16th Aug '11 12:07:05 AM by Blurring

Huh, does that mean that it wouldn't be inaccurate to say that Muslims regard highly of woman?

You are right. Islam effectively stamps out female infanticide.

Unfortunately Fair for Its Day kicked in.

That's why fiqh is changeable.

Why wait?

That parrot made me laugh so friggin hard.

"AHR" is just a missing "H" away from "AR".