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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 3rd 2023 at 11:15:30 AM
German nobles are hardly anything to be proud of.
One of them managed to become one of the Af D's most prominent politicians (which in a way is a good thing, since her stupidity is giving a bad impression of the party) and the current Hohenzollern family is a complete horror show.
Edited by Zarastro on Mar 8th 2021 at 4:26:27 PM
Honestly, if you're at the point where you're actually considering replacing your German dynasty with another German dynasty, you might as well just get rid of the whole thing. 
Today's stats:[1]
- 00,124,566 deaths
- 04,223,232 cases
- 22,377,255 first doses
- 01,142,643 second doses
We have vaccinated just under 33% of the UK's population.
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Note who's missing. It's the same reason why we're not allowed representation on the flag.
I thought that was because adding a dragon would mess up the symmetry of the lines. Though it could look very cool.
Edited by Galadriel on Mar 8th 2021 at 6:56:01 AM
Isn't that because Wales (as far as noble titles were concerned) was rolled into England, while both Scotland and Ireland were treated as separate titles?
Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Mar 8th 2021 at 12:58:03 PM
Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.
A procrastination in of itself
Wales was legally made part of England back in 1535-1542, it didn’t legally become a distinct entity in British law until 1881 when parliament put in place a law requiring Welsh pubs be closed on a Sunday. The Secretary of State for Wales (and their department) wasn’t a thing until 1965 and it wasn’t until 1998 that the Welsh Assembly became a legal entity, and 2006 when the Assembly could put together actual devolved governments.
Edited by Silasw on Mar 8th 2021 at 12:27:31 PM
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I didn't realize the royal family cut off Harry and Meghan. What a bunch of jerks.
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Redmess
Wait, they were? Yeah, that seems a bit harsh.
Though it is possible that that is only a formal cutting of ties.
Optimism is a duty.
Oh, bother.
No, that was before they outright left.
The royal household even refused to put her on the royal payroll, something their personnel department also used as an excuse to not help her when she was feeling down due to all the crap being thrown her way.
It was not just a "bit" harsh. It was an outright toxic and abusive environment that was actually driving Meghan to suicidal thoughts.
Edited by M84 on Mar 9th 2021 at 6:24:44 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
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Looks like the Palace is in emergency mode after the interview with Harry/Meghan.
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Redmess
Oh wow, yeah, that's pretty terrible.
Optimism is a duty.
Oh, bother.
It didn't help that someone in that household - possibly a member of the royal family itself - questioned how dark Harry and Meghan's son Archie's skin would be when she was pregnant with him.
There's a reason this topic ended up being brought up in the Racism thread too.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Is it true that Archie did not get a prince title because of his skin colour? I always thought that only children of the monarch and those of the heir get the title and thus Archie had no claim to it. Or did they twist the rules to deny him the title?
Oh, bother.
They denied him any title and refused to provide security for him.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
They used Rules As Written, but without the title he has no right to personal protection and such.
Because obviously there wouldn't be tons of loonies going after the sole Po C Royal.
Note that his cousins got a title despite the rules only says Child and Grandchild of the Monarch, not great Grandchild. So they were okay with a Rule Bending here.
Of course the monarchist defenders are quick to point out that there's a differences between direct line of succession and the side lines but...
See above, the title isn't a shiny bauble, it's a key to some thing he would def need growing up in that environment
Edited by 3of4 on Mar 9th 2021 at 12:35:53 PM
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Nah, Brenda had the rules changed in 2012 to grant the titles to William's kids specially.
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A full explanation can be found at Heraldica.org, here and here.
For those who don't fancy the Wall of Text, the title of Prince(ess) is given to:
- The children of a monarch
- The children of the sons of a monarchnote
- The children of the eldest son of a Prince of Wales
Archie does not fit any of those categories, though he would fit the second one upon Charles's accessionnote . Under the normal tradition he would be styled Earl of Dumbarton, his father's second titlenote but his parents decided that he would just be called "Master Archie" instead.
It is important to note that it is not the norm for a monarch to live and reign anywhere near as long as Elizabeth II has done. Prince Charles is only the second British heir apparent to become a grandfather before ascending to the throne, after Prince Albert Edward (later Edward VII) in 1891note . His grandchildren did not reach adulthood until long after Victoria had died, so there isn't much of a precedent for their role or their status within the family. In particular Archie is the first ever child of a younger son of a Prince of Walesnote and his parents'... atypical behaviour makes him an unreliable indicator for future practice.
They may want to update the rules then, since a growing life expectancy will make such scenarios more and more likely.
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
I bet you five bucks that they would have adjusted that if Archie had been more...monochromatic.
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A procrastination in of itself
Also that’s the title of Prince/Princess, the Queen has pretty board authority to hand out titles, haven’t titles often been used as birthday presents?
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
Today's stats [1]
- 00,124,797 deaths
- 04,228,998 cases
- 22,592,582 first doses
- 01,181,431 second doses
We have vaccinated just over 33% of the UK's population.
Generally it's only Duke and Earl titles that get handed out as birthday and wedding presents.
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A news story I missed from yesterday - three new flagpoles erected in New Palace Yard.[1]
Fun fact: Franz Herzog von Bayern, the head of the former royal family of Bavaria, is also the current head of the House of Stuart, who ruled England, Scotland and Irelandnote before the Glorious Revolution of 1688 overthrew James II and VII, making him the theoretical Jacobite claimant to the British throne.
Edited by SantosLHalper on Mar 8th 2021 at 10:13:28 AM
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