General Star Wars Animated Series

Damn the clones have deep voices in German.

I don’t know what TCW has specifically, but Disney+ tends to cover some combination of English, descriptive listening, French, Spanish (Spain and Latin American), German, and Dutch.

Yup, they have that for the first 6 seasons of TCW (and a Finnish language for subtitles along with English). Seven only has English and Spanish right now, but that could be because it's new and all the other dubs aren't finished yet

FYI, the name of the guy dubbing them is Martin Keßler, one of the most badass voice actors in german :)

Among others, he is the standart voice of Nicolas Cage and he also dubbed Sam Fisher in Splinter Cell.

Edited by Forenperser on Mar 4th 2020 at 12:03:06 PM

Man, it has been nice to see the Bad Batch arc fully animated.

I wonder if we'll see more of Echo's time with Clone Force 99.

I’m still convinced that the Bad Batch including Echo will be involved in the Siege of Mandalore, and that’s why we got this arc in completed form.

I'm hoping that, when we get tot the Siege of Mandalore, we'll have a scene where the clones talk about how they are Mandalorians, or at least, cloned from a Mandalorian. See if they actually feel they have a connection to the planet or not.

They definitely do not. They refer to Kamino as their home world. Also, Jango Fett is not a Mandalorian.

Eh, it's ambiguous. That one official says Jango Fett isn't one of them, but it could easily be a lie to disassociate them from a notorious bounty hunter.

Anyway, arc was good but after watching the unfinished version I felt dropping Anakin's conversation with Wat Tambor from the third episode was a mistake.

Given that that conversation showcases the lethal danger of the organic decimator, that definitely was a bad call to cut it.

Started on Season 7. I get that the Bad Batch are supposed to be a take on Delta Squad (whose game I have a soft spot for). Why does Crosshair look near exactly like Chirico from VOTOMS? The others are easy to figure out, so making Crosshair look like Chirico is either an obscure reference or a weird coincidence.

Other than that, they certainly stand out for clone characters, which is good given that the Clones getting developed remains one of TCW’s big appeals.

Edited by Beatman1 on Mar 16th 2020 at 9:03:50 AM

If the new Manda-lore established in The Mandalorian show counts (and that show is also made by Dave Filoni, so I can't imagine why it wouldn't), then the clones would absolutely not be considered Mandalorian.

Who is and is not Mandalorian is defined more as a cultural thing than a genetic one. If you were born to some other race but brought into a Mandalorian clan and underwent a Mandalorian upbringing, you're a Mandalorian. If you're genetically Mandalorian but have no actual knowledge of the culture and do not follow their practices, you are not Mandalorian.

The show does make some weird choices with Mandalorian customs that don't really jive with Filoni's other works. The big one being "Mandalorians never ever under any circumstances remove their helmet, and you basically immediately cease to be a Mandalorian if you're ever caught doing it." Which. Like. We see helmetless Mandalorians all the time in TCW and Rebels, so I have no idea what that's about.

But there's enough leeway to suggest that might be a relatively new thing in the post-ROTJ era that the show takes place in. The Foundling thing is explicitly shown stretching back as far as the Clone Wars.

So, with that in mind, I'm going to say no. Regardless of the debate over whether Jango Fett is or is not a Mandalorian, the Clone Troopers absolutely are not.

I'm not too fussed about showing off the decimator, since it comes off as threatening enough by leaving it to your imagination. But without showing off that the Techno Union is treating the people of the planet like property, our heroes bringing the war to that village comes off really badly.

I also liked Wat Tambor's lines about "we bought that clone legally!" and "let me show you why neutrality is more profitable" because it helps flesh out an interesting side of the conflict.

I get the feeling the scene might have been cut because it was too gruesome even for Clone Wars, but cutting away to a horrified Anakin might have been a better solution.

Edited by Moth13 on Mar 16th 2020 at 10:15:47 AM

Good. Our heroes bringing the war to that village should come off really badly.

My exact response to that was, "These people were neutral until we basically drafted them to fight our war. We brought this upon them. I don't think I'm comfortable with this."

And that's not a bug. That's a feature, because the Clone Wars is and always has been the story about Anakin's descent into the Dark Side, the corruption and fall of the Jedi Order, and the slide of a well-meaning Republic into the fascist totalitarian Empire. At this late stage in the war, you shouldn't be entirely comfortable with the actions that the protagonists take.

This same arc gave us Anakin mutilating Admiral Trench to force him to reveal information while exclaiming that he doesn't have the typical Jedi "weakness" of mercy. You shouldn't be entirely comfortable with that either.

Thematically speaking, we're like months away from Anakin becoming Darth Vader and the Republic abandoning democracy to follow a charismatic tyrant.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 16th 2020 at 8:31:47 AM

I like the idea, but I don't feel the episode plays that up enough. It ends with "yaaay friendship!" instead of on a sinking note like the Maul and Clovis arcs did.

I mean...he cut off his droid arms. I wouldn't call that mutilation, exactly.

The rest of it, yes (more or less). At this point, the show is a matter of weeks away from Episode III. Things aren't going to get better for a long, long time.

Which I'm grateful for. Even at its darkest, Star Wars should still be fun to watch, rather than a chore. Too many downer endings and you just alienate your audience.

Edited by BadWolf21 on Mar 16th 2020 at 11:10:53 AM

I mean. It's the Clone Wars. If the audience is here for happy fun times where heroes prevail and good always wins forever, then they clearly haven't been paying attention to what part of the Star Wars canon we're in.

The rise of fascism and slow, painful death of all that is good in the galaxy is a pretty dark f*cking story. Filoni, for the most part, has rarely shied away from that. 'Cause, like, if you're not willing to tell the story of the rise of fascism and slow, painful death of all that is good in the galaxy, then what are we even doing here?

For wacky fun times with good guys who save the day with pluck and vigor, we have Rebels. That takes place at the point in time that's all about defeating fascism and restoring everything good in the universe, and thus gets away with being Lighter and Softer.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 16th 2020 at 2:08:31 AM

I’m trying to figure out how you took “I’m glad not every single storyline on this show has a sad ending that spells doom for everyone” and turned it into “Star Wars should always be bright and happy with no conflict 100% of the time.”

Of course, we know the next fifty or so years are gonna majorly suck to any group bigger than a family, but still.

That I'm personally comfortable with because it was either Trench's life or the lives of the entire Republic task force on the planet.

If there's any flaw with the Clone Wars, it's that it turns perfectly reasonable, pragmatic and practical decisions in combat into "actions of the Dark Side".

Honestly, more telling is Anakin's complete and utter flippancy as a mortally wounded Trench is writhing in death throes in front of him.

We've seen Anakin do awful stuff in the name of saving lives before. Him torturing Poggle was, what, over a year ago in-universe? He's an old hat at that.

Him making pointed mockery as he's viscerally killing people is new though. IIRC, the ROTS novelization had him do that after becoming Vader, but before losing everything. Makes me wonder what Vader might have been like had he not gotten himself mutilated.

Actually, the more I think about it the more it's an interesting idea. What would it have looked like if Anakin could have continued to be the same relateable action-hero public figure he always had been, but under Palpatine's rule? That was probably Palpatine's intention, after all.

Probably no chance for the Rebellion to find its foothold then, or at least a reduced chance.

'Cause more people would be relating to Anakin.

Or an increased sense of betrayal that the hero who helped so many and even freed people would prop up a regime that's repressing and enslaving them. I don't think the twi'leks on Ryloth would be too happy that the man who helped free them from Separatists was helping the new Moff of the place.

Jango's backstory is officially he is just the best bounty hunter and he happens to wear the Mando armor and symbol.

I mean They even changed how the meeting on the Moon of Bogden went 'it lacked sexy Dark jedi and murder druggie death cultists and one of the COOLEST settings for a showdown