The Turntable

Not any more!

So I got an album by the Turtles yesterday.

I figure this is sufficiently old school to be mentioned here.

I don't think it has to be old school.

Anyway, did ya like it?

It was certainly a thing.

I didn't dislike it, but I think I'll need a few more playthroughs to determine my final feelings on it. I can say I did like "Buzz Saw" though.

The album in question is Battle of the Bands.

RAEG

ALSO RAEG

I should note that one of the reasons I 'bought' it was to sample it.

Funny thing, those two guys mentioned? Not the guys in the group responsible for the part sampled.

edited 15th Mar '11 5:57:24 PM by SpainSun

Ah.

To be honest, I'm not a fan of sampling. -dodges brick- I don't mind it, but I do believe that making money on somebody else's work without crediting them it's wrong.

-dodges bullet-

I don't suppose it'd change your mind if I told you the sample was slowed down significantly and played backwards?

And the only reason the Turtles even knew they'd been sampled is because they had a lawyer come to them, point it out, and tell them they should sue and make buko bucks?

And to be honest, if you feel your intellectual property rights are being violated by someone taking a 5-second drum loop from a forgotten hit single, I really don't have much sympathy.

>Implying any Turtles song but "Happy Together" was ever anything close to a hit.

If you put the credit in the album, then you're my friend. It's kinda like when you write a quote in your book and you try to pass it as your own writing.

But I know it's a bit of an hypocritical opinion, to be honest. Because by that logic, every band that played a cover would also be under my "line of fire".

Sampling someone and not crediting them is very rare. Even I do it despite not selling my albums and the fact that there'd not be repercussions if I didn't (since I'm making no money off of it). Indeed, the only way the presence of the sample in the above mentioned case could even be proved to be from that song was that it was mentioned in the linear notes. The Turtles, in addition to every artist sampled on 3 Ft. High were actually thanked there.

edited 15th Mar '11 6:06:58 PM by SpainSun

OK, then. But in terms of actual music? I just don't like seeing a riff or beat I can recognize in a different context. Not my thing. Of course, this is all a matter of opinion and taste and as I said, I don't mind if you sample. As long as...well, there's no point in repeating it, is there?

Well, I'm of the opinion that context is everything.

But anyway, I picked up the OST to Wildstyle. It's amazing^amazing.

edited 15th Mar '11 6:22:38 PM by SpainSun

I still don't know how I feel about sampling as a whole. I do know that artists who just drop someone else's chorus into their song and pass it off as new annoy me.

Without sampling, this would not exist. Thus, sampling is good.

I don't see much difference between that and the literary cut up technique, to be honest.

If you're referring to things like Flo Rida and his songs. I can understand that simply based on how stupid his stuff is. But his sampling isn't why his music is bad.

All that said, I do enjoy this piece.

I already expressed my view on that. If you're gonna quote, then credit the person who said it. If you're gonna sample, then credit the person who composed the original.

edited 15th Mar '11 6:33:09 PM by juancarlos11

Yeah, but I already responded to that.

Wait, this is a better example of why sampling is good. For some reason, it's played over clips from The Matrix, but, eh.

But I already replied, Spainey.

Anyway, sampling doesn't make music bad nor good. Playing guitar or bass doesn't make music inherently goos or bad either. I just don't like it that much, that's all.

I like it done well and hate it done amateurishly and badly. (if those two aren't oxymoronic)

What about if it's done well, in spite of some amateurishness?