Busy Street/TGWTG debate thread.

I was just making an observation about the phrase, are you telling me that was distracting you from the response following the statement?

But I'm not gonna say I didn't mess up. I dun' goofed what I was trying to say, I tried to triple stamp a double stamp.

To answer the monkeys question. Are you really trying to say that Linkara getting offended at a parody of him after doing a parody of Irate Gamer is the same as Mel Brooks not liking a parody movie? Now if he got offended by it? I'd say that's taking things a little too personal, but Mel Brook's is a guy who can obviously take a joke at his expense so if he didn't like the movie it would be because he didn't think it was good, not because boohoo they made fun of him. Besides, they didn't make fun of Mel Brooks so this isn't really a good argument. Though that does bring me to another amusing observation. Little Kuriboh using lonely island music for a crappy yugioh rap is just as bad as Epic Movie doing a Lazy Sunday parody.

You know if I'm gonna be the 'ambassador' (Jordan's words, not mine) of Busystreet for this site. I may as well change my icon to that classy as hell Joseph Ducreux picture meme, huh?

edited 19th Apr '11 6:51:59 PM by Gerpy

Don't spend too much time at that post, gerpy. If you spend too much time here, you could begin to like us.

That would be terrible.

It turns out Punky, who does the Twitter, has responded to Busy Street. Looks like this is as close as they're gonna get to a response from the higher-ups.

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=30845

And when someone asked for proof...

Proof? *facepalm* Here http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/specials/15127-rmhc01 http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/specials/29206-thank-you-from-channel-awesome I think the big ass check and the charity employees are proof enough, but just in case Busy Street needs MORE proof, here's the tweet from the Official twitter of the Ronald Mc Donald House Charity: http://twitter.com/RMHCCNI/status/12556772392837120 What the magic of something called "5 minute research" can do.

And I'm posting this here because i'm pretty sure they read the forums, plus I never go to their site and pretty sure that the only thing that i'll receive by going there are trolls xD About the former contributor... you're talking about mentally ill person that even his mom is ashamed of what he did, and more funny is that this person was not even part of the site when they did the first charity drive (if you're talking about other former contributors, yeah I know them pretty well too). In the end, what they do is defamation, simple as that. Before you ask, How I know? Let's just say that i've been friends with some of people on this site for 3 years now including former contributors, so yeah that's why.

edited 19th Apr '11 9:08:30 PM by tolchok

@Dream: Since Gerpy actually writes for the site, knows more about it and its writers than I do, I guess you could say I'm letting him take over. Besides, the topics on this thread have already been talked to death and it's just a spamfest at this point. My "job" now is probably just looking for whatever to add on the trope page these days.

@Tolchok: I imagine the inevitable rebuttal from Jordan shall be quite interesting. "Grabs popcorn".

edited 19th Apr '11 9:05:39 PM by KoB

Mind if I join you. *Does the evil popcorn man thing*

Well, keep in mind, they've already been asked about the Charity Drive so many times, I don't think the response will be very safe for work, or the easily offended.

The main problem they hold with the charity was not they directly stole the money from the charity itself, if that happened, Mc Donald's would have already put up legal action. While it appears true that TGWTG did provide an exact figure, BS thinks they may have pocketed some of the money from the [i]donors[/i]. And the basis of that suspicion, however strong that may be is up to debate, is because they feel it was the only way they could have funded Kickassia as they wouldn't been able to do that on Blip money alone. Since CA acted as a middleman to the charity, and as far as BS is concerned, didn't tell people exactly where to donate, there's no guarantee whether ALL the money went to the charity.

But then again, their basis of accusation is up to debate, I think they were more upset at the fact Spoony blew off a fan during the drive, and Angry Joe's tone deaf falsetto.

Actually during the charity drive when someone said that they had donated to the Mc Donalds charity personally they got upset like "OOOOH COME ON DONATE THROUGH US PLEASE!" which to me seems kinda selfish. It comes off like they just want the praise for donating to the charity as oppose to just donating to a good cause.

But looking at this big post you quoted from someone on the site, it sounds to me like you want someone else to post a response to the quote in question instead of me....well I'll do you one better, I will quote that person's response in my post too.

"I happen to remember one little site thing Buse Strit has, something about not taking them seriously. BUT THEY R EPIC TROLLS." ~ Legit N Srs

But hold on a sec, I don't have one quote, I got TWO quotes! Two quotes when you only wanted one, would I call that a deal? No, but I figure the more quotes, the more credible I am. That's how this thing works right?

"The history of oversized checks have come a long way. Some of them have been used in advertising such as this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEL3nkithz0 others have been used in television such as this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEU0goUJC1A and therefore i can tell you i am a certified expert in oversized novelty checks" ~ Turok Mc Rib, future gameshow host.

P.S. The whole pocketing money thing started off as a joke, we WERE concerned that they weren't giving out exact figured but the whole 'pocketing money' thing was a joke. Let's be honest, they just torrented After Effects.

Hey Ko B, that was pretty family friendly wasn't it?

edited 19th Apr '11 11:06:45 PM by Gerpy

Except they personally donated to get the number up to $50,000, I can even get the twitter posts if I go back far enough. And I think I've said this before but even though Doug's a good actor, I doubt he could be all genuine "you guys are so awesome" when he and his friends had just pocketed some of the money.

Here's a fun fact for ya - according to a commentary by Bargo and Mike Michaud, Doug Walker's shows cost next to nothing to produce (the expenses seem to go mostly towards the movies), and by the time Kickassia was in production, the website had been up for two years. In addition, the Nostalgia Critic is the most popular show, particularly in the young adult demographic. In addition, Doug has stated that he mainly uses his share of the money for food, clothing and shelter, and occasionally going to the cinema. He has also been known to auction off items, which will bring in additional revenue.

Do the math.

I prefer to get my facts from the horse's mouth (although honestly, it's been a while since I listened to that commentary, but that's something that stuck with me).

I agree. There's no reason that the regular revenue of the site couldn't afford Kickassia.

edited 20th Apr '11 5:04:05 AM by Kerrah

Kickassia is a cheap ass movie made in a few days with site-standard special effects. Busy Street attacked the movie for being cheap shit. Why the hell wouldn't they have been able to pay for it?

edited 20th Apr '11 6:50:12 AM by Scardoll

Honestly, all I'm seeing is a tiresome battle that really doesn't have a resolution.

We could try what Merlin did in that movie - ignoring them will make them magically "go away". Honestly, there's no point in trying to discuss something when the arguments are just going around in circles and that representatives will simply quote certain parts of the argument rather than the whole thing.

edited 20th Apr '11 1:40:39 PM by Ookamikun

^ I love that movie! Thanks for reminding me of it.

For what you just said, I do think any further debate regarding BS and TGWTG is just going to loop itself. And I've been thinking, perhaps just make a thread completely about BS, not saying I want to post every single article every day, but for those still wanting to know more about the site, it could help a bit.

For instance: BS speaks out about the gaming industry's rather controversial price fixing policies.

You know, I learned something interesting from a poster on TV Tropes.

3 million people played Dead Space. Only half that number bought the game new.

Gee, I wonder why prices are so high?

Game sales statistics, especially those propagated on forums, are basically the gamer's bible. There is no way to actually check the numbers, their source is questionable or downright guesswork and they don't really make sense if you think about it but oh boy, they do have faith in them and use it to justify bullshit and holier than thou rhetoric all the time. It's like discussing aliens, it may be completely pointless but it's a nice thought experiment until the moment the first nutjobs crash the place.

edited 22nd Apr '11 4:51:42 AM by Ana

Actually, the source was from EA Games themselves. It came from their podcast, and several news outlets have recorded it.

So yeah, unless Schofield is lying through his teeth, the number is solid.

edited 22nd Apr '11 5:31:47 AM by Scardoll

I'd question how they know the precise number of used sales but honestly, what's the point. Every non-consumable industry would make more revenue without used sales yet the video game market is the only one whining about those purely theoretical sales constantly, even with a game that made them a shitload of profit anyway.

I actually have to agree with the BS article to some degree. If the industry would spend half the time they invest on whining, treating their customers like dirty peasants ready for another tithe and chasing delusions of theoretical sales they never had in the first place on something actually productive, who knows what gaming might look like today.

edited 22nd Apr '11 7:07:30 AM by Ana

They don't. They know the amount of actual sales, and they know how many people have played the game. Obviously, this doesn't include rentals and piracy.

For those wondering, I've created a solely Busy Street related thread as I feel this has already run its course.

Enjoy

Hey, where the heck did the new Busy Street thread go?

Mike and Gerpy got banned.

For more information

While I think pulling down the General Discussion thread was unnecessary, the response from Busy Street seems incredibly petty and inflammatory. Especially as they took time to throw insults at the viewers of Tv Tropes rather than just the person who banned them.

edited 12th May '11 8:54:40 AM by DracoDracul