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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#73851: May 30th 2023 at 5:04:04 PM

So then the aforementioned complaint about Amy has pretty much always only applied to the bare minimum of time in each game before it's moved on from.

Seems like people are blowing one game (Battle) and a couple other moments way out of proportion.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on May 30th 2023 at 7:05:40 AM

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#73852: May 30th 2023 at 5:05:47 PM

True, but its not like she was doing anything else significant to really offset that either.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#73853: May 30th 2023 at 5:07:45 PM

I felt so bad in the ending of Battle when Emerl is dying and calls out to Amy as his mom. ;-;

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randomness4 Snow Ghost from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#73854: May 30th 2023 at 5:14:48 PM

Also Sonic X.

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#73855: May 30th 2023 at 5:35:18 PM

It's more than Amy was so underfocused than her personality became forgettable, and people just remember her being this one-note gag with NPC energy.

Which is kind of a shame, I enjoyed her personality in Riders. Her 06 personality is not so bad, but the dialogue is atrocious.

Did I ever tell you guys I loathe a piece of dialogue from Dragon Ball? It's Gohan's "I'm my father's son!", a line that is meant to be a Badass Boast, but it fails to me because it sounds redundant out of context. Amy's line of "If I have to choose the world or Sonic, I would choose Sonic" is awful. I know what she meant, but it's still a horrible line.

Edited by Tomodachi on May 30th 2023 at 5:38:19 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#73856: May 31st 2023 at 9:14:44 AM

My real issue with that era of Amy is that Team Sonic didn't seem to like her.

I find Amy is a way better character if Sonic and the lot actually value her as a friend. I'm fine with Amy having a one way crush, provided it doesn't make a genuine friendship impossible.

I also can't stand that for a time Sonic was consistently written as not liking Knuckles.

I like conflict between characters but I prefer it to be something they work through, rather than an issue that can't progress anywhere.

I fine with Sonic being thoughtless and bemoaning how seriously some of his friends deal with things, but I feel like he should still respect them and like spending time with them.

mstorzil Crimson Helios Since: Nov, 2019
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#73857: May 31st 2023 at 9:48:09 AM

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Yeah, that. I love me some Sonic X, but my lord, Amy was insufferable. She did have her moments, but they were buried underneath all the obnoxiousness. I don't know if I would say it's my least favorite interpretation of her, but it's definitely up there. I'm so glad we have been done with Amy's obsessive personality since Lost World.

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#73858: May 31st 2023 at 9:50:15 AM

I want to think Knuckles was forced into the narrative, because he was popular, and the writers didn't know what to do with him. Same with Amy.

Luckily Sega seemed to get a grip and allow him to just not appear in Unleashed and Rush Adventure. But even then, there were plans for Knuckles and Shadow to appear in Unleashed, so...bullet dodged.

I think the reception towards Knuckles in Frontiers was universally positive. I did hear people disliking Amy in Frontiers (understandable, the somber attitude was very weird for her), Eggman (he was not the main villain) and Tails (some big names Tails stans saying Frontiers even giving attention to Forces was bad for the IP, however that works). Knuckles? I have heard nothing but good things in the game and the animation.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#73859: May 31st 2023 at 10:09:50 AM

Knuckles is excellent in Frontiers. I really love his and Sonic's friendship in it. They both know they rub the other one the wrong way, but they kind of enjoy it at this point so it's got a degree of self awareness and friendly teasing about it.

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#73860: May 31st 2023 at 10:12:34 AM

[up][up][up][up]I never really saw the Adventure era as Team Sonic disliking Amy. Tails got along with her pretty well, Knuckles was just pretty removed as always, and Sonic just wanted his space.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#73861: May 31st 2023 at 11:54:03 AM

Honestly, I kind of liked how uncomfortable Amy made Sonic before. Here you have a character who is almost always in control and on top of things no matter who he faces, yet can't handle the affection of a little girl. It writes itself.

Same with Sonic and Knuckles really; the latter is constantly screwing up and making things harder for the former, and he's just ten types of done.

I understand that's not something suitable for the long term without grating people after a while (as we currently see with Shadow) but I'm not really overly fond of that everyone just gets along with each other with no real conflict either.

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#73863: May 31st 2023 at 12:37:04 PM

Where's "Defeated his robot doppelganger"?

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#73865: May 31st 2023 at 12:45:25 PM

" Beat up a lonely train"

Ha! It's official canon now, buckos!

That said, I don't think it's appropriate for Sonic to be taking credit for other people's work. He did not stack colored beans. That was the work of the noble Has Bean, hero of Beanville, who fought to save his fellow Beans from being Roboticized by the sinister Dr. Robotnik (not Eggman; The game was never released in Japan).

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 31st 2023 at 12:45:37 PM

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diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#73866: May 31st 2023 at 12:48:47 PM

He did beat him (for one level anyway so admittedly not quite saving the world) by stacking beans in Sonic Mania.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#73867: May 31st 2023 at 12:59:08 PM

Apparently, competing in the Olympics was actually necessary for Sonic to save the world. Who knew?

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#73868: May 31st 2023 at 1:00:27 PM

>Ways Sonic has saved the world

>"Fought a talking, condecending moon"

LMAO, that one got me!

Edited by Tomodachi on May 31st 2023 at 1:02:17 AM

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#73869: May 31st 2023 at 1:12:57 PM

It also included the end of the first live action movie, so it's not really a canon thing.

But the ones about the most recent two games made me chuckle react in an appropriate echidna manner.

Huh, one of the comments thought they were talking about the train in Triple Trouble. Now that I think about it, if I had a nickel for every time Sonic fought on or against a train, I'd have at least three nickels. Which isn't a lot, but...

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on May 31st 2023 at 3:15:37 AM

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taotruths Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#73870: May 31st 2023 at 1:17:02 PM

You'd have at least triple the nickels for the triple troublesome trains trounced.

Edited by taotruths on May 31st 2023 at 1:17:32 AM

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randomness4 Snow Ghost from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#73872: May 31st 2023 at 3:17:11 PM

Knuckles and Sonic being "close friends" would be way better to me conceptually...if it happened IN Sonic Frontiers.

There's not much interesting about them together if they aren't poking at each other due to their opposing personalities.

And it made sense...they don't hang out, they were acquaintances at best before Sonic Heroes came along.

Edited by randomness4 on May 31st 2023 at 6:20:50 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#73873: May 31st 2023 at 3:45:40 PM

Thing I'm looking forward most about the third Sonic Film is that they are (likely) skipping straight to Sonic Knuckles and Tails being a close knit of friends.

Gosh I hope movie 3 introduces Amy. If you're going to introduce one new hedgehog why not more. Get into the Hedgehog tribe and what Sonic's birth heritage is.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#73874: May 31st 2023 at 4:13:42 PM

The thing about Sonic & Knuckles is that they kind of just went from uneasy allies to bffs overnight. There wasn't really much of a "Enemies to Friends" arc that happened, so much as they just stopped being pissy towards each other.

Which isn't really a problem tbh, but then its really awkward when they can't decide on if they're begrudging allies or bffs. You could just go with the copout answer that "they're both" but eeehhhh.

The movies at least settled on one side it seems.

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CountofBleck (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#73875: May 31st 2023 at 4:15:00 PM

Bit of a coin toss whether to put this in the comic thread or this one (the comic thread is IDW, this is from Archie), but Game Apologists takes a look at the history of...a reformed Metal Sonic, Shard.


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