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You can tell the Coop that has blunt unhappy sex with Diane (by the way, props for showing a sex scene between people in their sixties that still looks good) and points a gun at innocent people is not the real Coop.
The real Coop likely went to Janey-E and Sonny Jim after BOB got punched into smithereens. Which was an amazing, wonderful anticlimax for such a horrible, evil little shit.
edited 5th Sep '17 6:34:42 PM by TheHandle
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Hmm
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edited 11th Sep '17 11:04:10 AM by Soble
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I looked back on this and... wow. Two things I hadn't picked up on: the nuances in Cooper's reaction, and the Log Lady's.
edited 11th Sep '17 11:20:18 AM by Soble
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Log lady is dead now. Like Sherriff Truman.
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^Ohh, how I missed Harry Truman so much! I'm so sad that he got replaced by his brother, and as of the end we don't know if his health improved or not. He could be dead. Log Lady is another situation entirely though—she said she was dying, but so far her prophecies were shown to be correct, so...she's probably deceased.
Funnily enough, did anyone else think Sheriff Frank Truman was Harry at first glance? They look similar enough to a point where I could see Frank being a grown-up Harry if Harry weren't already an adult.
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The actors are dead.
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No, I'm pretty sure both Sheriff Trumans' actors are alive.
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No, Ontkean just said he was retired.
edited 13th Sep '17 10:01:00 PM by CharlesPhipps
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The Secret History of Twin Peaks - review
“The truth is Laura’s death has broken me. My own belief systems – the fantasy that I could hold these two worlds in balance – inner life, outer reality – and bring the truth of one closer to the other, like some free-thinking hippie Prometheus, is shattered. What a hapless fool I’ve been.”
Similarly, a later passage — a conversation documented by the archivist — goes a long way, in my view, to tackling both the challenges of this book and also some of the failings of the TV series, by trading in mystery, mysteries that we feel we want answers to, only to find the journey way more enjoyable than the discovery of the answer. I might be wrong, but I read the following as an apology for revealing the identity of Laura’s Killer – something David Lynch and Mark Frost said they never wanted to do (but the TV network made them do) and something the show never fully recovered from:
“A secret’s only a secret as long as you keep it. Once you tell someone it loses all its power – for good or ill – like that, its just another piece of information. But a real mystery can’t be solved, not completely. It’s always just out of reach, like a light around the corner; you might catch a glimpse of what it reveals, feel its warmth, but you can’t know the heart of it, not really. That’s what gives it value: it can’t be cracked, it’s bigger than you and me, bigger than everything we know.”
The network forced us to reveal the killer." Pfffft. Could you imagine if they'd never revealed it?
The more and more I read into the mindset that went into this show, the more fascinating (and infuriating) it gets.
edited 14th Oct '17 9:38:32 PM by Soble
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I just read the FINAL DOSSIER and it's kind of sad how much Mark Frost had to explain in the Return. But its nice to have all of the details brought out about what I really wanted: Audrey, Donna, James, and what the hell happened in the finale.
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If they had more time in the original show, they might have gotten around to actually connecting the Nadine/Ed/Norma thing to...anything else in the show.
I recently watched through the whole thing on Blu ray. It was my first time seeing it. I kind of prefer the Return, surprisingly. The original show has so many random cul-de-sacs and plots that never seem to go anywhere or have really, really stupid elements (Mr. Tojamura anyone?). Most of the characters are great but it's so meandery and unfocused. I know it's supposed to be a kind of parody of soap operas in part, but it just feels kind of awkward. When the show is on point, it's completely on and fantastic and then it kind of slumps every so often. Fire Walk With Me is a harrowing movie (with a...not great first half hour), and then the Return knows *exactly* what it wants to be, even if what that is isn't very clear.
Not Three Laws compliant.
I suppose. But I can't for the life of me figure out what the violent midget, the Hulk-fist guy, or the big shootout scene were supposed to be.
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Lynch and Frost stepped away from Twin Peaks for a good portion of the second season which, according to most people involved, is why it meandered a good bit. Mc Lachlan opined the before, the show was weird to a purpose, but without Lynch and Frost it just became weird for the sake of being weird (Ben Horne's thinking he was a Civil War general, for instance). Lynch and Frost were involved in every episode of The Return, so it's natural that it feels more cohesive.
Edited by Robbery on Jun 30th 2018 at 5:39:02 AM
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Opinion time!
The southern war delusion subplot was hilarious and high quality. Guess it was good Lynch and Frost were not closely involved.
Also, the recap of season 3 episode 4 is just a copy+paste of an episode from the original series.
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The fact that he got trapped in the Black Lodge at all indicates that he's not perfect; if he'd met his doppleganger with perfect courage, he would have overcome him then and there. We can't really ask for perfection from him. As it is, he's a marvelous character and a joy to watch. He doesn't come off as hokey at all, more like a man who's content and at peace with himself.