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CountofBleck Ever Evolving, Ever Adapting from A world of lies and deception Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#24601: Jun 6th 2023 at 9:44:29 PM

[up]The Future Fusion retrain does what its meant to do, and that is being a love letter to Zane while supporting Chimeratech/Cyberdark Dragons. For the record, both of its effects can be done in the same turn with the same card, so while most decks can use the dump effect, the main users to take full advantage for now is of course the Cyber Style decks, since it was Zane's card

As for the Fire link, good stuff. Volcanics get back row protection and can fetch a banished combo piece, R-ACE can grab a banished monster back to use for next turn (especially the warrior mones), gunkans can protect their field and searcher spell I guess, probably better examples but its a nice generic bit of support for all fire decks.

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#24602: Jun 6th 2023 at 9:50:12 PM

The Future Fusion retrain doesn't lock out Pendulum effects, so it still has the capability to cause shenanigans.

Volcanics don't need to reuse their stuff right away and can still dump them for Reload, so the effect lockout if the Link isn't an issue.

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ShiningStardust Since: Jun, 2017
#24603: Jun 7th 2023 at 1:04:01 AM

the new Link actually is used alongside R-ACE in the OCG Structures manga where it debuted.

it's so funny that they slapped a OPT on an anime card used twice on the same turn.

Even better, it's a Hard OPT, and in the anime, it's the same one copy that's used twice on the same turn (the nurse woman who played it used another spell to retrieve it from the graveyard before playing it again) [lol]

Edited by ShiningStardust on Jun 8th 2023 at 12:15:43 AM

MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#24604: Jun 7th 2023 at 7:38:51 AM

The problem with the Future Fusion retrain is that it can only Foolish named Fusion material, while only being able to summon Dark Machine monsters; And there's not really a whole lot of them with specific, named Fusion materials.

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#24605: Jun 7th 2023 at 8:08:32 AM

If you plan to use both effects, then you are playing cyber style, full stop. That or you REALLY want Pin Baller but that seems excessive. Most people will probably be satisfied with foolishing a fusion material once per turn, then using an eff to fuse using the gy.

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#24606: Jun 7th 2023 at 11:23:36 AM

The thing is, y'know what Cyber Dragon players really don't want to do? Take away their ability to summon or use the effects of cards named Cyber Dragon. 'cause, y'see, they have a lot of those, and many of them are quite important

So. If you interested in using both effects. Cyberdark Dragon exactly is pretty much the only thing you're gonna reveal for the first effect.

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#24607: Jun 7th 2023 at 11:57:52 AM

dpYGO goes over the new FIRE Link.

Gave more use cases for it, like summoning Infernoids or retrieving an Ash that got hit by Called by the Grave.

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#24608: Jun 7th 2023 at 12:20:13 PM

[up][up]I dont think it works like that. And even then, future fusion would encourage use of something like Overdragon or Rampage, which means you're trying to end the game anyway.

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#24609: Jun 7th 2023 at 8:39:45 PM

And next in the Jack structure deck, we get a Fiendish Chain searcher, of all things.

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MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#24610: Jun 7th 2023 at 9:15:38 PM

And one that people seem to be very negative on, it seems.

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#24611: Jun 7th 2023 at 9:58:22 PM

`Fiendish chain int what its used to be, unfortunately. While it can be annoying in sealed or casual formats, may bosses have built in negates or prevent targetting, it doesnt stop effects from activating in the GY if its used as material, clogs up an S/T slot.... had this been released in 2015 though this would have been CRAZY.

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#24612: Jun 8th 2023 at 12:50:38 AM

The card is a Trap that sets another Trap that you can't use immediately.

The first effect isn't entirely awful since it bypasses destruction protection, but it targets and I'm pretty sure a generic Trap that does the same thing while not being tied to Atk already exists The least they could have done is made the card non-targeting.

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#24614: Jun 8th 2023 at 8:39:07 PM

Veda Upanishad

Banish 12 cards to DESTROY TIME ITSELF is the most rad effect they could have given to a Shiva-themed card. I love it with all my heart.

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#24615: Jun 8th 2023 at 9:06:35 PM

So Veda is the Pendulum based deck. That means we still need a Ritual based deck for the Visas Lore, presumably belonging to the Sixth and final world.

In case people forgot:

  • First World: Tearlaments, Reinoheart, Fusion, Sorrow.
  • Fourth World: Scareclaw, Reichheart, Link, Fear.
  • Fifth World: Mannadium, Riumheart, Synchro, Joy.
  • Sixth World: Kashtira, Riseheart, Xyz, Rage.
That leaves the Second and Third Worlds, one for Pendulum and one for Ritual. And much like the Mannadium are more supports for Visas than their own deck, it's likely the Pendulum deck will be more support for Veda than their own deck.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jun 8th 2023 at 12:10:41 PM

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#24617: Jun 8th 2023 at 9:12:18 PM

"Mannadium Trilosukda" looks to be Kitkallos wearing armor fashioned after Primeheart, so it looks like Visas appointed her as guardian of the new world he made.

As for the rest of the arts, it looks like Veda has been watching for quite awhile, and has now launched an attack on the new world Visas made, banishing him to another world to keep him out of the way, and leaving him depowered, reduced to "Visas Samsara".

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jun 8th 2023 at 12:14:42 PM

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#24619: Jun 12th 2023 at 5:09:27 AM

It might be good as an engine, but there's just factually not enough there to make a dedicated deck out of it.

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#24620: Jun 12th 2023 at 7:18:35 AM

Creator archetype when Konami?

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#24621: Jun 12th 2023 at 8:47:57 AM

Curious question: how would you explain the concept of “starters” and “extenders” to someone who’s new to this game or TC Gs in general?

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#24622: Jun 12th 2023 at 8:54:02 AM

I mean, I wouldn't, really. More advanced jargon like that exists so that people who already know what's up can be specific with each other.

Though I guess, like, I'd something along the lines of 'cards that get the ball rolling' and 'cards the keep the ball rolling'

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#24623: Jun 12th 2023 at 9:53:40 AM

Starers tend to be cards that begin combo lines. Extenders are cards that continue them.

I can see how it gets confusing as it is context specific and several cards can fill both roles.

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#24624: Jun 12th 2023 at 10:52:04 AM

[up][up][up]Its not too different from Fighting game jargon ; Starters are cards that enable your gameplans, cards you always want to see in your hand as early as possible and usually something you want to max out on. Extenders then are pieces that allow you to extend your combos even longer to create more powerful endboards, which can turn a simple board into a possible full field of monsters and spell/traps ready to counter the opponents plays.

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