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Dragoon pretty much relies a lot on REF too, not just Anaconda. On the other hand, it's had such little meta impact in the TCG that it's easy to see why it's ignored. It might by July, though?

Fairly good list. I would've finally limited Mystic Mine, but that's the only thing I feel is still an issue outright.

Mystic Mine is also colossally unfun to face, but is it actually meta relevant?

Payne 96 has graduated from shitposting comments to shitposting videos.

Don't worry, these NSFW speedrun videos aren't actually too graphic for a forum, and this one in particular isn't.

I think just being unfunny is bad enough.

I still believe that Mystic Mine is the reason Terraforming gets limited.

field spells in general have been getting more and more important and powerful, i dont think it's just mystic mine

Oh, I'd rather never see Mystic Mine again, but there's also plenty of other cards I'd rather never see.

Again, like Dragoon.

And because now I'm shitposting videos, I just re-found one I'd been meaning to share here a couple months ago.

I'm gonna subscribe to Milano before I forget.

Speaking of field spells, I'm still waiting to see how are they going to errata AFD

Edited by ShiningStardust on Mar 12th 2021 at 1:29:47 AM

See the thing with mystic mine is, as much as I hate it, its usually because I didnt bring any or very little backrow removal, which is completely on me. simillarly, i struggled with dragoon on my fun decks, but then i faced several using my cydras and ran it over quite frequently.

Gonna disagree about mystic mine. Farfa worded it pretty eloquently once :just because something has a counter doesn't make it balanced.

"run back row removal" doesn't work as a legitimization of mystic mine because dedicated mystic mine decks running the whole field barrier, demise of the land, solemn judgment package will happily tank through all of your copies of MST, twin twisters and cosmic cyclone like it's nothing. If you really want to kill that kind of deck you need something far more niche and specific than staple backrow removal, which is far more complicated to justify putting in a side deck.

Ditto for decks who instead run it as an option in their game plan - half of the problem of mine is that top tier decks could just run it as another option to dominate the game, and mine by itself is already oppressive enough that having to deal with something like sky strikers before the deck got hit wasn't reasonable.

In that regard, mine is far more resilient and obnoxious than any problematic boss monster that could just be kaiju'd away. Especially dragoon who's just yet another tough boss monster,and there's plenty more ways to deal with that than mystic mine.

Edited by Yumil on Mar 12th 2021 at 9:56:44 PM

Damn, Lyrilusc support. Konami is clearly trying to pull me back into the game, and the attempt will probably fail the same way it failed with the Artifact and Chronomaly supports.

Kaijuing a specific boss monster...

"just because something has a counter doesn't make it balanced" You've still gotta run and draw multiple Kaiju, especially for a board that sets up multiple negates.

I do think Mystic Mine is more fundamentally "unfun" than boss monsters or floodgates.

The point i'm making with a boss monster than can just be "kaiju'd away" is that there's actually several more ways to deal with those than actually drawing into a kaiju. Notice that kaijus have for the most part fallen out of relevance in the metagame despite the boss monsters staying, because even something like dragoon who's held as the current standard for hard-to-get-rid off boss monsters still has plenty of weaknesses, up to and including straight up running it over by battle (borrelsword and equimax among other things makes it far more realistic than 3500 ATK would suggest). You don't absolutely need a kaiju effect to get rid of dragoon, but you absolutely need backrow S/T removal or even outright S/T permanent negation/activation restriction, and specifically as spells and traps, to stop mine, which is a far more narrow pool of cards than non-targeting, non-destructive removal.

Breaking entire boards full of negates is even harder, i'll certainly agree, but on the other hand, breaking those boards is often in and of itself the win condition of the game. That's what the entire game is trying to balance itself around. I'm not gonna say it does a good job at that, but it's a far bigger, far more complex thing to tackle than mystic mine who singlehandedly drags down the game's fun.

Problem with playing those other outs to Dragoon is if it negates something used to make your out, you've only made it stronger.

As for board breaking, even if you can do it, going against some decks, you'd need to win on that same turn, otherwise they'll just recurse and set up the same damn board.

(again, I'm not saying Mystic Mine, or other cards, aren't unfun)

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I'm personally more interested with Sherry's cards. She plays a mishmash of warriors and "Fleur" stuff, let's see what we will get this time. From the one artwork we've seen, it looks like an upgraded merge of her Horse of the Floral Knights card (which is never printed in OCG/TCG) and her Chevalier de Fleur.

Also, maybe they'll finally print Shieldbearer and Spearholder, which are also never printed in OCG/TCG, even though they printed Joan. Like Joan, those two would be NK cards too in OCG/TCG, so technically it's also more NK supports lol

Edited by ShiningStardust on Mar 14th 2021 at 7:27:57 PM

I for one am interested in seeing if they will apply the Phantom Rage treatment to RR and LL in this set or a complementary one. Purely to see if they are gonna make a Cyborg Harpy or synergizes the Rank 1 strategy with one that favors ranking up ad victorium

It's weird that Sherry uses a spinoff of the Synchron archetype. Nowadays her Tuner is being used as a combo extender.

The long awaited Buster Blader video is now here!

Has Rata scored any archetypes 5 points comeback ability, versatility and protection? Six Samurai got a 5 in consistency while Ancient Gear and Lunalight got a 5 in power.

I don't count the scores before the 5-point system because Rata is a little inconsistent about it. For example, Ice Barrier 1 got a green for consistency but Ice Barrier 2 only has 3 stars in consistency.

this much simply be a matter of the fact the game's power creep has raised the standard of what is considered good consistency between the two videos. War of the worthless demonstrated that Genex does have a couple of actually good plays, but while they were able to consistently pull them off during the format of the tournament, they wouldn't stand a chance in modern yugioh, for example.

OCG Forbidden/Limited List.

Surprised they only put to 1 Calamities while we banned it outright. Peeling off Firewall so slowly also seems unnecessary.

Edited by Karxrida on Mar 15th 2021 at 2:42:03 AM

The precedent was there. Most of the broken Pendulum stuff (that I'd like to be able to play with again TYVM :P) are at one with the exception of Monkeyboard (haven't compared Plush's status), and I think the same also applied to other card's the TCG has banned.

I blame Maxx C TBH. Seems like the cockroaches running amok gives the OCG an excuse to be more lenient with problem cards. Though OTOH with Pendulums, I get the feeling it's gonna take erratas to see them budge on either side at this rate.

Since Exodia's an automatic win...

Technically if you add all the cards to your hand before a judge shows up, you can't lose, right?

If it ever happens at a tournament chances are the judge will just refuse the win and have you shuffle back on the grounds it's so improbable it's more likely you cheated than legitimately pulled it off. There's precedents of decisions happening that way even though yes, you technically can zero-turn-kill by toprdecking exodia in the rules.

I was just attempting to make a humorous comment about Yugi's blatant cheating.

That's why I liked how the show did it. He had to actually draw into each piece, and even search one. It's believable.

...It's also why Deep Dragon Draw Exodia was a popular variant. You can absolutely win on your first turn that way. But yeah, it's that damn unlikely. Topdecking the perfect card is far more likely(and I can say I've done it quite a few times too), and I don't mean an auto-win topdeck.