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Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. from the lupine den Since: Jan, 2001
This is going to be so much fun.
#134326: Nov 24th 2020 at 9:26:13 PM

Brawler's counter is a throw which itself is finnicky to setup.

Death is a companion. We should cherish Death as we cherish Life.
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#134327: Nov 24th 2020 at 10:13:50 PM

That's still a counter move


This tweet

I'm not entirely sure if he did say that or not.

Perseus from Australia Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Mu
#134328: Nov 24th 2020 at 10:36:58 PM

Wanna paste it into a quoteblock, maybe? I'm not touching Angry Smash Twitter with a hundred foot pole.

Edited by Perseus on Nov 25th 2020 at 5:38:35 AM

Trans rights are human rights.
Zeromaeus Mighty No. 51345 from Neo Arcadia Since: May, 2010
Mighty No. 51345
#134329: Nov 24th 2020 at 10:46:44 PM

"it would not be appropriate if we treated people who did something based on affection for Nintendo, as criminals."
- Former Nintendo president, Satoru Iwata 2010

Mega Man fanatic extraordinaire
Perseus from Australia Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Mu
#134330: Nov 24th 2020 at 10:53:24 PM

My memory fails me but I feel like Nintendo were still doing this sort of thing when Iwata was in charge...

Edited by Perseus on Nov 25th 2020 at 5:53:41 AM

Trans rights are human rights.
Zeromaeus Mighty No. 51345 from Neo Arcadia Since: May, 2010
Mighty No. 51345
#134331: Nov 24th 2020 at 11:00:21 PM

They were. More so than now, in fact. They also havent sued the parties involved or C&Ded Slippi or anything like that. They drew a line in the sand, legally speaking, regarding how the game could not be played at the event.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Nov 24th 2020 at 2:08:05 PM

Mega Man fanatic extraordinaire
LunaStar Since: Nov, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#134332: Nov 24th 2020 at 11:01:52 PM

[up][up]Nintendo used to take down and copyright striked Youtube videos from 2010 to 2016, around this time period. Which might be Iwata's era? Not sure.

Edited by LunaStar on Nov 24th 2020 at 9:02:26 PM

Zeromaeus Mighty No. 51345 from Neo Arcadia Since: May, 2010
Mighty No. 51345
#134333: Nov 24th 2020 at 11:08:23 PM

Iwata died in 2015.

Mega Man fanatic extraordinaire
Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. from the lupine den Since: Jan, 2001
This is going to be so much fun.
#134334: Nov 24th 2020 at 11:18:12 PM

Is there even a citation on that guy's post lmao. It'd be like me doing...

"Paper Mario is trash."
Masahiro Sakurai

EDIT: Oh so it's from a 2010 quote... which is taken out of context.

As the principle, please understand that the question is regarding a rather delicate issue to which no one can perhaps identify a clear-cut criterion. Of course, we cannot say that we can give tacit approval to any and all the activities which threaten our intellectual properties. But on the other hand, it would not be appropriate if we treated people who did something based on affection for Nintendo, as criminals. It is true that some expressions are detrimental enough to diminish the dignity of our intellectual properties, and others destroy our intellectual properties' world-views by connecting them with something not based on fact. We think one of the criteria for deciding how to respond is whether the expression in question socially diminishes the dignity or value of our intellectual properties or not. Of course, it is very hard to have a blanket standard as this problem involves many complex elements that are very difficult to judge.

They like to forget the last two sentences lol

Edited by Ookamikun on Nov 25th 2020 at 3:28:40 AM

Death is a companion. We should cherish Death as we cherish Life.
Perseus from Australia Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Mu
#134335: Nov 25th 2020 at 1:31:55 AM

People on Twitter taking quotes out of context to support their arguments?

surprisedpikachu.jpg

Trans rights are human rights.
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#134336: Nov 25th 2020 at 6:37:32 AM

Rised Pikachu

[up]Stop talking about Pikachu's erection.

[up][up]He's likely either talking about DS piracy, which was more rampant back then, or some kind of parody, fan hack, or artwork.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Nov 25th 2020 at 8:39:33 AM

The sad, REAL American dichotomy
Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Disasturbator
#134337: Nov 25th 2020 at 6:58:54 AM

His response is very lawyery if you ask me

New theme music also a box
ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#134338: Nov 25th 2020 at 7:16:13 AM

All this legal action/discussion from Nintendo is just a very elaborate and complex trailer for Phoenix Wright being added to Smash.

-Witty line-
Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Disasturbator
FGHIK from right behind you Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#134340: Nov 25th 2020 at 8:16:06 AM

I don't think even Phoenix Wright wants to take on Nintendo's legal team.

I missed the part where that's my problem.
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#134341: Nov 25th 2020 at 8:31:52 AM

I've already said my piece about this & I just can't get behind Nintendo this time around.

There was a very recent UMVC 3 tourney that could've had the same problem but didn't. It just seems unfair but really I'm judging on the surface level.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#134342: Nov 25th 2020 at 10:12:30 AM

Now that's a matchup for Death Battle: Nintendo's Legal Team vs Disney's Legal Team.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Disasturbator
#134343: Nov 25th 2020 at 10:15:36 AM

Disney's legal department would wipe the floor,they are ruthless

New theme music also a box
ShinyCottonCandy Industrious Incisors from Sinnoh (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Industrious Incisors
#134344: Nov 25th 2020 at 10:18:20 AM

What [up] said. Nintendo's legal team uses the full extent of the law, but Disney has the law changed to suit them.

SoundCloud
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#134345: Nov 25th 2020 at 10:35:05 AM

There's a reason that Disney is portrayed as evil in satire.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#134346: Nov 25th 2020 at 10:39:58 AM

Plus their entire double standard: Nobody can use what their deem theirs, but they'll go ahead to screw creators out of their creations to have full ownership.

MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
Like reflections in the glass!
#134347: Nov 25th 2020 at 2:55:41 PM

I'm pretty sure even The Mafia has more scruples then Disney's lawyers.

Honestly woudne't be surprised if they find a way to buy Nintendo (or Square Enix) even despite certain laws preventing that.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Nov 25th 2020 at 2:57:37 AM

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, Bitch! from Eldritch Nightmareland Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, Bitch!
#134348: Nov 25th 2020 at 3:28:00 PM

The Yakuza wouldn't let them.

Watch Symphogear
Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. from the lupine den Since: Jan, 2001
This is going to be so much fun.
#134349: Nov 25th 2020 at 4:39:28 PM

He's likely either talking about DS piracy, which was more rampant back then, or some kind of parody, fan hack, or artwork.
It's in a financial talk and one question was about game modification. The twitter post removed context as though Iwata was okay with game mods, when in fact the whole question and quotation was practically drawing the line in the sand.

Death is a companion. We should cherish Death as we cherish Life.
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#134350: Nov 29th 2020 at 10:43:05 AM

[up][up]Dammit, Kazuma!

So I was thinking about which historic Smash stages are no longer around, and which ones could hypothetically be brought back. The missing stages:

Smash 64:

  • not listed - Metal Bros
  • 0:57 - Planet Zebes (near-identical to Melee's Brinstar)
  • 1:17 - Sector Z (near-identical to Melee's Corneria)

Melee:

  • 1:43 - Icicle Mountain (vertical scroller)
  • 2:02 - Mushroom Kingdom (no known reason why)
  • 2:20 - Poke Floats (no stable platforms)
  • 2:50 - Mute City (similar to Brawl's Port Town?)

Brawl:

  • 3:26 - Rumble Falls (vertical scroller)
  • 3:42 - Pictochat (no strong reason, maybe platform layout?)

4 3DS:

  • 4:02 - Rainbow Road (no known reason why)
  • 4:16 - Pac-Maze (no known reason why)

4 Wii U:

  • 4:44 - Jungle Hijinks (no known reason why, maybe depth issues?)
  • 5:01 - Pyrosphere (Ridley)
  • 5:19 - Wooly World (no known reason why)
  • 5:13 - Orbital Gate Assault (beautiful but too chaotic)
  • 5:54 - Miiverse (potentially obscene, unless a "best of" is collected)

The stages I think could return almost as-is:

  • Mushroom Kingdom
  • Mute City
  • Pictochat (remove layouts of issue)
  • Rainbow Road
  • Pac-Maze
  • Jungle Hijinks
  • Wooly World
  • Miiverse (remove layouts of issue)

Some stages could hypothetically return if they were given the Delfino Plaza treatment, a hub platform that moves the stage into certain layouts at certain times. However, that might fundamentally change the feel of those stages. Those are:

  • Icicle Mountain
  • Rumble Falls
  • Orbital Gate Assault

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Nov 29th 2020 at 12:43:25 PM

The sad, REAL American dichotomy

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