Super Smash Bros.

Again, K.Rool is part of a big franchise so at the end of the day he had a decent chance.

Isaac not so much. His franchise has been done for a while.

Geno is another story

The most obvious reason for cutting Golden Sun content is because Sakurai didn't feel like negotiating with Camelot this time for whatever reason... but Camelot is credited in Smash 4, so who knows what the reason is.

I mean, did he show up as a regular display trophy?

I don't think there's any Golden Sun content at all in Smash 4.

There are two songs.

Edited by LordVatek on Aug 9th 2018 at 1:23:24 PM

I don't see why Camelot would be a particularly tough company to deal with. Sakurai can handle The Pokemon Company without a problem, and got more mileage out of Square Enix than anyone could reasonably expect.

I know Dark Dawn kinda sunk the series, but it's not like there's any reason for Camelot to actively bury it. If anything, putting Golden Sun content in Smash could get them a bit of free money from licensing, so it's more likely that Sakurai just never asked them.

& That, and also the Weyard theme from Dark Dawn (ripped straight from the game, no remix) shows up on Palutena's Temple. A really weird pick, IMO; not only would any of the battle themes been way better, this wasn't even the best overworld theme they could've gone with.

Edited by MileRun on Aug 9th 2018 at 10:25:02 AM

I'm surprised any negotiation at all needs to happen, Camelot must have cut a good deal to retain some rights to a game Nintendo published.

I hope Namco gets another rep now that they're still just sitting there with Pac-Man. Sophitia or Jin are probably the best guesses. The former really deserves a rematch with Link.

What about Heihachi or Lloyd?

I was thinking Nightmare might be a good fit, especially with Soulcalibur VI in the works.

I'm personally guessing Ms.Pacman. If only because she would take barely any effort to make.

Lloyd's time in the limelight's long over. He's neither the progenitor of his series nor the latest hotness in it, so him being the representative for Tales is a tad unlikely.

Heihachi's impossible. He showed up in Playstation All Stars Battle Royale and there's no way Smash Brothers would intrude on that legendary game's territory.

Nightmare would be ridiculously hype and they certainly are not averse to adding villains now given Ridley and K Rool but Sophitia (In her original, sensible armor design) probably just fits Smash better.

Edited by ShirowShirow on Aug 9th 2018 at 1:34:29 PM

So... anyone wanna guess why Final Fantasy still only has two songs? Placeholder? General Squenix stinginess?

Also, I guess Mitsurugi is kind-of supposed to be the face of Soulcalibur, even though I'm pretty sure he didn't participate in a single significant event of the pre-reboot timeline. Smash doesn't have a samurai character yet, and Takamaru is still an assist, so there's that.

Nah Mitsurugi can't be the resident samurai. That's what Sakura Shinguji is for.

...*Crickets chirp*

But seriously, Lloyd got a Mii costume. That already puts him at a massive advantage.

Edited by LordVatek on Aug 9th 2018 at 1:44:58 PM

Lloyd is still iconic enough to some circles, so don't rule that out yet. Also, Heihachi can still be in, whether he was in another crossover or not. Not to mention, given that PSASBAR didn't do well, it may be his second chance to show what he has in a crossover.

Edited by Luigisan98 on Aug 9th 2018 at 9:43:03 PM

Well, are all the songs done by the same artist? If not, it might be an annoying licensing issue that doesn't want to be dealt with.

As for Lloyd, he's pretty much the big gun for the series. Sakurai even admits that he's the obvious choice. He's basically Tales of version of Cloud, if you will. Not to the same degree, obviously.

For Isaac, we just don't know. Maybe he was meant to be playable. Maybe not. Maybe DD going sour(it actually didn't get bad sales so much as got a lukewarm reception due to being worse than the previous games in many ways, namely the constant points of no return). Also, having a song doesn't make you can have a character, or a stage. If it requires licensing, every different bit does. Dark Dawn got content, but that was it. That's all was licensed to use. I honestly doubt it's a case of Camelot saying no. However, Isaac could've been scrapped for many reasons. AT had plans to be more unique than before, and it didn't work out due to 3DS issues. Could be licensing issues due to a clash of designs. Camelot only wanted the latest version of Isaac for promotion and Sakurai said no. Songs didn't matter. Who knows.

Why do we even need a new smash game when Playstation All Stars Battle Royale has already perfected the platform fighter genre.

If I got to pick a Namco rep myself it would definitely be Haken Browning. He is, without a doubt, the coolest video game character of all time and unlike the paragraph above this I am not being sarcastic.

Also: Shows what I know about the Tales series.

Edited by ShirowShirow on Aug 9th 2018 at 1:50:37 PM

On the subject of Mii costumes, the lack of an Isaac costume last time around is part of what killed my optimism for Isaac here. I feel like if there was enough demand that Isaac would be considered this time, there would have been a Mii costume to show it.

Not to swerve the subject too much, but I'm glad we're getting a new version of Id (Purpose). It'll probably still be only 2 minutes long, but hopefully it'll play around that restriction better than the original does.

Not enough can be said about how hard the audio team is working on this game.

I feel incredibly greedy for being disappointed Heart of Fire isn't in the Castlevania tracklist given we have over thirty Castlevania tracks so I'll just listen to it myself on loop for a bit to get over it.

I'm just thrilled to bits that Iron Blue Intention is one of the tracks. That was always my personal favorite. ^^

Question to everyone in the thread: what's the heaviest track(s) in the game? What's the song that makes you want to headbang?

I dunno if I'd headbang to it, but I can't get enough of the Gangplank Galleon remix from K. Rool's trailer. I wanna hear the full version.

02's theme from brawl is still a massive banger

Headbang most likely isn't the right term, but I am loving the Brinstar Depths remix in the Dark Samus segment and can't wait to hear the full thing. ^^