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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#9376: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:20:30 PM

I believe that I've outlined my theory that Silent Sinner is just a convoluted way for Remilia to get herself a swimming pool without anyone objections.

'I want a swimming pool. Chop chop, Sakuya.'

'My lady, we have nowhere to put it.'

'Oh really? Then LET'S GO TO THE MOON!'

And then six months later Remilia sits by her new pool with a face that suggests that all went according to her plan.

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#9377: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:23:43 PM

[up] That is the best theory ever.

Also, the Watatsukis don't even completely lose. They lose some face and take a hit to their pride but the persistent distrust in them on the Moon is lessened. Lessened enough for them to take trips to the Earth to visit Eirin when not catching Eirin was part of the reason why they were distrusted. And they take several trips. For frivolous reasons. Yes, the Watatsukis win at life and all it cost them was a priceless bottle of sake. And some ego.

Reimu is really the only one who loses SSIB and all she loses is some spare change, a chunk of time, and has to put up with some vague aggravation. And then its back to her life as she left it.

edited 4th Sep '11 12:23:55 PM by Bocaj

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#9378: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:24:30 PM

It is also that. Yukari used Remilia to get some sake, Eirin used Remilia to settle the unrest on the moon, and Remilia used everyone to get a free trip to the moon and a neat swimming pool.

It was fated.

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#9379: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:25:33 PM

That sounds Remilia-ish. Then again, SSiB was one giant, convoluted Batman/Xanatos gambit.

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#9380: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:26:33 PM

And who has the ability to alter fate....?

I rest my case, your honour.

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#9381: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:26:34 PM

Eirin used Remilia to settle the unrest on the moon

Eirin caused or at least exacerbated the unrest on the moon.

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#9382: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:27:58 PM

[up] Because that's just how Eirin rolls.

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#9383: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:28:58 PM

Her existence exacerbated the unrest, but the direct cause was the US flag disappearing, which cause the Lunarians to think something was going on. Of course, the real reason it disappeared was because of all those nuts who think the lunar landing was faked, so the flag became fantasy.

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#9384: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:32:52 PM

[up] I blame Rinnosuke for that. Well, it WAS his theory.

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#9385: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:35:35 PM

Of course, no one believe Rinnosuke's theory, so it became true.

I call it The Kourin Paradox.

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#9386: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:35:47 PM

Well, it's also the reason TD happened, so I suppose it's become canon since then.

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#9387: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:37:29 PM

Wait, so that is really the reason the flag disappeared? Lunar landing conspiracy theorys? Why can't we just say Yukari gaped it away for whatever reason or something?

Of course, does this mean that history itself can be undone (or at least, sent to Gensoukyou) if enough people say it didn't happen? (Well, Miko, but I mean more along the lines of something in history being undone because people falsely claim it didn't happen)

Also, how are the Moon sisters not getting in trouble for visiting Eirin? They may have eased distrust of them, but what they did didn't really have much to do with them not turning in Eirin. Or maybe the Lunarian higher ups decided to turn a blind eye to Eirin as well?

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#9388: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:40:18 PM

Didn't the flag land in Gensokyo?

And Eirin directly exacerbated the problem by asking Reisen to ask the other moon rabbits about rumors of an uprising on the moon which started rumors of an uprising on the moon. Which is why Reisen II: Die Harder thought Eirin was leading the uprising. Which gave Eirin a messenger to send her sealed note to the Watatsukis without having to give up Reisen I: The Reisenest, which let the Watatsukis dispel some of the distrust that they were going easy on Eirin which they were.*

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#9389: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:42:46 PM

It's implied that Eirin contains enough badass in her little finger to blow up the moon. Pair that up with Kaguya who is physically incapable of dying, and Reisen 'Look at me, oops now you're INSANE!', and you've got yourself a partnership that is probably just left alone.

[up] A criminal they respect and adore. Imagine what they must have felt when they heard that their beloved Eirin had thrown everything away for the sake of THAT GIRL. DELICIOUS ANGST!

edited 4th Sep '11 12:45:13 PM by asterism

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#9390: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:44:08 PM

Regarding the finding... I'm pretty sure Eirin directly sought out Not-yet-Reisen-II, so whatever spells and whatnot they have hiding Eientei weren't applicable. She saw the Lunar Veil coming down and decided to go talk to whoever it turned out to be. Presumably they found Reisen-the-original in a similar manner.

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#9391: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:44:48 PM

[up][up] Reisen's power isn't really unique from what I gathered. If anything, she's just better at it due to Eirin's training.

She was the Watatsuki's pet but she was also on the frontlines. And she bravely ran away.

In general, moon rabbits seem to be naturally talented to the point where after being introduced to danmaku for the first time, they could beat fairies that have been danmakuing for years.

[up] The Lunar Veil was still coming down into Gensokyo. Gensokyo is a small area compared to, y'know, the whole Earth so The Bunny To Become Reisen II clearly had some idea of where the fugitives were.

edited 4th Sep '11 12:46:18 PM by Bocaj

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#9392: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:46:18 PM

[up] Still fairies, though. Of the hundreds of fairies in Gensokyo, there are only six that pose a significant threat.

Presumably the Mooninians knew the general area they'd sent Kaguya to. Soon-to-be-Reisen II just had to search for a mystical fantasy land in that general area.

edited 4th Sep '11 12:54:26 PM by asterism

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#9393: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:47:03 PM

They were probably the fairies from stage 5 or 6 so they weren't pushovers.

A criminal they respect and adore. Imagine what they must have felt when they heard that their beloved Eirin had thrown everything away for the sake of THAT GIRL. DELICIOUS ANGST!

There could be a good plot bunny there about the Watatsukis having a grudge against Kaguya for misleading their beloved Eirin. Tragically, they seem okay with her in Inaba. And Toyohime tries to smuggle an impure earth bunny back to the Moon. Hahahhahaha, that wacky princess.

edited 4th Sep '11 12:53:25 PM by Bocaj

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#9394: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:54:00 PM

So...Eirin get herself banished for Kaguya reasons, Watatsukis get distrusted for not "catching" her even though they know where she is, Eirin uses people (both Reisens, Reimu, Remilia, etc) to both cause unrest, and do away with the unrest in a way that would do away with a lot of the distrust for the Watatsukis, despite it still being apparently common knowledge that they are purposely lying about being unable to find Eirin. And then they make visits to Eirin without repercussion and ow my head hurts.

Also, something tells me Eirin doesn't care for the Watatsukis nearly as much as they care for her. Not that Eirin doesn't care, (since she did that...plan above for them, I think) but the Watatsuki sisters are pretty much putting their necks and status as unbanished Lunarians on the line for something who betrayed the moon, killed Lunarians, and has no intention of coming back and used them as pawns in that complex scheme thing.

OFF TOPIC: Reisen I is a major coward. From what I can gather, when the "war" started, she just deserted and left. It seems even the Watatsukis aren't sure why exactly. (if later material explains why, please tell me). Also they note that she was already cowardly and self centered before she defected...

edited 4th Sep '11 12:55:23 PM by Otherarrow

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#9395: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:56:36 PM

Incidentally, in Japanese the two Reisens have their names spelled differently, so it's much easier to tell them apart in text without this silly "II" thing.

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#9396: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:57:35 PM

Following that, we should spell her name differently as well.

Reisen will be the moon bunny that everyone likes.

And Raisin will be the new pretender to the bunny throne.

edited 4th Sep '11 12:57:45 PM by Bocaj

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#9397: Sep 4th 2011 at 12:59:09 PM

She may have been a coward in the past, but her behavior in IN has her bravely taking a stand as a noble Stage 5 boss in defiance of an angry Reimu.

Awwwww. But I like calling her Reisen II: Funny Sequel Title.

edited 4th Sep '11 12:59:52 PM by asterism

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#9398: Sep 4th 2011 at 1:00:49 PM

[up][up][up]Eirin uses everyone. She more or less explicitly states that she thinks of people as tools. That's just how she lives her life. Gensokyo seems to be changing her though...

[up][up]If I were a nominating kind of person, I'd nominate "Raysen" to remove ambiguity about the pronunciation. I'll also note that the Touhoumon games called the second one "Gyokuto", which seems to be an archaic word for "moon" that literally means "king rabbit". Which is kind of a funny word for the moon.

edited 4th Sep '11 1:01:23 PM by Clarste

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#9399: Sep 4th 2011 at 1:01:42 PM

Eirin clearly shapes her up.

But if Reisen was such a noted coward that she'd abandon the frontlines and her comrades, why would they even want her back in IN? Was the never-mentioned-again war going so badly that even one more soldier could help? Or was Reisen such a badass, yet coward, that it justified sending several people to retrieve her when they could be fighting the war?

Its not uncommon for fanworks to portray Reisen as some ex-moon blackops soldier. Who was a coward. So, yeah.

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#9400: Sep 4th 2011 at 1:03:36 PM

As a direct pet of the Watatsukis, it wouldn't surprise me if she was elite. Also, you'll note that they didn't want her back, or at least not enough to do anything about it. The whole plot of IN was simply Eirin being super-paranoid and preparing for something that didn't end up happening. She's not psychic, she just plans for the worst.


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