Doctor Who

Now there's mutterings that an episode in the next season will cover the damage being done to oceans

Autons and Sea Devils 2-in-1 combo perhaps?

I love how one of the comments on that article is:

Demonstrating that they've never actually seen Doctor Who, especially when it was airing during the Thatcher era.

Someone should show them The Happiness Patrol.

> liberal warrior groups.

where can I join these groups

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The fifth series of DW 2012's Doctor Who has begun, catch the new Doctor in action

Edited by Zarius on Jun 30th 2019 at 12:36:20 PM

But if they watched it how would they be able to complain about how the new writers are crowbarring in political messages when it's never happened before?

"Yup. That tasted purple."

There were indeed political messages in the show before Jodie's era, and some of it was just as in-your-face (the "no coloureds" scene and "consequences and cane-cutting" speech in Remembrance of the Daleks), however, the stories back then had room to breath and thus they didn't devote every minute to the message and people could still enjoy a thrilling adventure. It was a side, not the main course.

Edited by Zarius on Jun 30th 2019 at 12:38:59 PM

Then again, Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped. Especially these days.

I still think Season 11 was pretty "safe", especially when it came to queer characters, especially compared to Moffat/RTD reviving the gays.

Mhm. Really I think Zarius' comment is a mystifying one, considering it's about a season that contained Keblam!, an episode that cared so much about 'being a fun adventure' and so little about 'crowbarring in a message' that it ended up siding with a corrupt CEO over an oppressed worker.

I'm pretty sure that's what the current season is doing, too.

I quite liked that one actually

I disagree, people would not be complaining so loudly otherwise. I'm a pretty left-leaning guy and I know the messages are being forced and are almost sermon-like, taking me out of the immersion.

Edited by Zarius on Jul 1st 2019 at 4:20:19 AM

The messages in doctor who have always been this loud,or do you selectively tune out what you don't want to hear,for gods sake the Daleks are quite literally space nazis,we're reminded of this every time they show up

New theme music also a box

I don't 'tune anything out', I've made it quite clear the show used to always have more priority with the adventure rather than how 'loud' the message was. Now the message is louder than the story and everyone can hear it, and it annoys some of them. Not for alt.right reasons, but for the simple fact it ruins their immersion.

Edited by Zarius on Jul 1st 2019 at 10:20:16 AM

Tell that to The Happiness Patrol.

The happiness patrol is a label that far suits fans who can't take fair criticism of their favourite show than anyone on the far right.

Edited by Zarius on Jul 1st 2019 at 10:36:40 AM

The fact that your logic boils down to "it has to be bad, otherwise people wouldn't be complaining so loudly" says it all.

People gnash their teeth and wail about all sorts of things. The size of their outrage does not equate to the validity of their complaints.

Obviously, tolerance for allegorical and political messages varies, but neither liking it nor disliking makes you right.

When did I say it was "bad?".

If someone dislikes something you enjoy, they're wrong? That's ridiculous logic. Opinions don't work like that.

Edited by Zarius on Jul 1st 2019 at 10:41:35 AM

I was paraphrasing.

The problem isn't that you don't like the latest season. The problem is that you're acting as though your view is someone more correct than other people's.

As always, you continue to assume. I wasn't making a point of me being right and the Happiness Patrol being wrong, I was trying to be fair to the side that gets constantly berated by the far too easily triggered around here who are convinced the show is perfect regardless of how loud and irritable the message is.

I didn't post that article because I wanted an argument, I posted it to generate some fun speculation over what could be used in the environmental episode, but somebody HAD to get triggered and take a pot shot at somebody with a different opinion on the show than them. THAT's what I got annoyed by.

And I liked bits of the last series, not everything mind, but enough to understand what was annoying people and being sympathetic towards them because they got lumped in with the people who hate it for far more extreme reasons.

Edited by Zarius on Jul 1st 2019 at 10:47:59 AM

I'm sorry if other people being "triggered" in some way offends you.

Yes, yes they would. And I can tell you the exact reason many people would complain so loudly: misogyny.

Careful now, mentioning "identity politics" makes you the bad guy...

Somehow.

That's the thing about a serial format versus an episodic one.

"Yup. That tasted purple."

"The Happiness Patrol" refers to a staunchly political episode from the classic series, not a part of the fandom.