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5	* AccidentalAesop: Do ''not'' make life-altering decisions [[AlcoholInducedIdiocy whilst under the influence of alcohol]].
6	* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
7	** The collective decision that led to the hijacking of the Quantum Gate goes beyond stupidity. That being said, Victor's actions are the most reckless in the group, but they're done in an emotionless, apathetic way. Seeing how since Victor's life has spiraled out of control since the government began to meddle with Baxter's projects (sabotaging the project and all that entails, living in complete filth), it's not hard to see his individual choice to hijack the gate and to act so thoughtlessly as fueled by suicidal thoughts.
8	** Comes into HoYay territory, but Ben's near-idiotic choice to follow Reed into Planet Zero instead of stopping him from ruining his life could be easily interpreted as Ben being in love with Reed. If LoveMakesYouDumb isn't enough of a motive, consider that the one time we see Reed contact Ben again after joining Baxter, Ben looks elated to receive a message from Reed. Early scripts had Ben join the army after becoming convinced Reed had forgotten him after joining Baxter. Maybe Ben considered that holding the IdiotBall for just a few moments (he did urge the other three to be quick about it) could earn Reed's love back again.
9	* AngstWhatAngst:
10	** Although the team being variously sedated/sealed away/on the run soon after the accident might be occupying their minds somewhat, no one, not even Franklin Storm, seems at all devastated by the apparent death of Victor. This could be {{Handwaved}} however to Victor not being particularly well-liked.
11	** Following on in that vein, the team does not take [[spoiler:the death of Franklin Storm]] nearly as hard as one would expect them to, [[spoiler:especially since he's the ''father'' of two of them and the mentor of another]]. Even after the climax occurs and the world is safe, they just seem to forget about him.
12	** Ben Grimm goes from constantly angsting about his transformation and blaming Reed to suddenly coming to terms with his problems at the very end of the movie, without any real explanation.
13	* ArcFatigue: The characters don't teleport to Planet Zero and gain their superpowers until roughly ''halfway'' through the film. Following that, Doom doesn't even return and initiate his big evil plan until '''the last fifteen minutes'''.
14	* AssPull:
15	** Reed [[spoiler:somehow being able to function after Doom disables his suit]], without any in-universe explanation for it, comes across as a DeusExMachina.
16	** Doom is essentially this trope incarnate -- his return is barely explained, and his motives for trying to destroy the world, even less so.
17	* AudienceAlienatingEra:
18	** Following this film, there was increasing mistrust in 20th Century Fox's films based on Marvel comics, with only the ''Film/{{Deadpool\|2016}}'' [[Film/Deadpool2 films]] and ''{{Film/Logan}}'' proving to be critical successes. Not helping matters was [[https://www.screengeek.net/2015/08/12/foxs-stock-drops-after-fantastic-four-release/?fbclid=IwAR0xNOkAWmcxajOROTlQ838fe8kscQFYKuTb6qgHvMdmyOvUkvcwE1uFJs8 stock in Fox dropping significantly after the release of this film]], only bouncing back after the announcement that it would be sold to Disney.
19	** Josh Trank fell into this following the film's failure, with reports of his behaviour causing other studios to reconsider hiring him for their major projects, fearing that he'd get drunk with power once again. Trank retreated to making independent films, though ''{{Film/Capone}}'' didn't fare much better than this film, and [[https://twitter.com/QifanZhao/status/1199863059499667457 Trank's]] [[https://twitter.com/QifanZhao/status/1199863492985139200 social]] [[https://twitter.com/ceruleansummers/status/1276843838930288641?s=20 media]] has continued to reinforce the negative image he gained from working on this film.
20	* AudienceAlienatingPremise:
21	** The director, cast, and crew promised a DarkerAndEdgier and grounded take on a traditionally more light-hearted, science-fantasy title, complete with BodyHorror and a lack of teamwork/familial bonds between the characters. This was very contentious with fans, to say the least. The act of making the cast YoungerAndHipper also did not sit well with some fans.
22	** Using the ComicBook/UltimateMarvel version of the series, which itself was already contentious, as a basis for the adaptation. Even among ''ComicBook/UltimateFantasticFour'' fans, all of them believed the movie was [[InNameOnly too different from that line to be considered a real adaptation]] (other than the nod to Reed and Ben working together as kids).
23	** No matter what kind of movie Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox was going to come up with, there was bound to be fan backlash toward them for making the film instead of Marvel Studios in order [[AshcanCopy to keep the rights to themselves]], thus preventing the Fantastic Four from appearing alongside other heroes in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse. It didn't help that this film's production didn't start until the rights were about to expire.[[note]]A lot of the anger toward the rebooting of the property is due to the ''Fantastic Four'' movies at Fox not doing particularly well critically or financially, whereas their ''X-Men'' films have historically done well, and Sony's ''Spider-Man'' movies also did well before they were rebooted. Conversely, the rights for ''Daredevil'', ''The Punisher'' and ''Ghost Rider'' were sold back to Marvel after those movies failed to leave a mark on the box office, and ''Daredevil'', the one they've adapted into a [[Series/{{Daredevil 2015}} Netflix TV series]], ended up being a massive critical and commercial success[[/note]]. As noted below, [[Film/DragonBallEvolution the last time they did this]] resulted in one of the most reviled adaptations of all time, so the fact that this film felt like it was being handled similarly didn't help at all.
24	* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic:
25	** [[https://youtu.be/CiW5RP7Kj3w?t=2m56s The end credits music]], which sounds pretty epic.
26	** As a matter of fact, [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nd1IFqaVCzZUauIiSGG5yCZaSfzjhAng4 the whole soundtrack]] (courtesy of Marco Beltrami) was one of the few things anyone liked about the movie. Special mention goes to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If3XeuAqoW4 the prelude]], composed by no less than Music/PhilipGlass.
27	* BileFascination: No Marvel movie has garnered such a negative reception since ''Film/{{Elektra}}'', leading many to watch the movie simply to see where and how Fox failed in adapting the source material.
28	* BrokenBase: While portraying Ben Grimm as young and scrawny has been [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks criticized by comic fans and other fans of the character]], some ''do'' like the contrast between Ben and the Thing, believing it makes his angst about being a "monster" more appropriate.
29	** After the infamous amount of backlash against the response to "[[AdaptationNameChange Victor Domashev]]", the character's name was changed back to Victor Von Doom over the course of the reshoots. However, some fans and other viewers found that the name ''[[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Victor von Doom]]'' clashes too much with the DarkerAndEdgier tone of the film, resulting in {{Narm}}.
30	* ClicheStorm: In spite of Josh Trank, Simon Kinberg, and Jeremy Slater's efforts to make their movie seem original, one of the biggest criticisms levied toward the movie is that it's a lot like any other superhero flick -- including the 2005 ''Fantastic Four'' movie -- with too much of a focus on the origin story and not much else to allow it to stand out in its own right. The climax even has [[PillarOfLight another sky portal.]]
31	* CompleteMonster: [[Characters/MarvelComicsDoctorDoom Victor Von Doom]] is a gifted young genius who worked for the government to develop a device that would be capable of transporting people across dimensions. After joining with Reed Richards, Johnny Storm, and Sue Storm, he was able to finish the device, and together with them he traveled in an alien dimension where, after an accident, he gained superhuman powers. Desiring to [[InTheirOwnImage create his own world]] in that dimension, Victor was not happy when government agents retrieve him, and thus slaughtered many of the scientists and soldiers in the base, including [[YouKilledMyFather Johnny's father]], before planning to use the teleporter to create a black hole on Earth and destroy the entire planet, solely out of [[AGodAmI God complex]] and [[MisanthropeSupreme hatred for humanity]].
32	* DesignatedHero:
33	** Reed ditches his friends for an entire year and then has the gall to wonder why Ben now hates his guts. There's no justification for this, as he could have simply done research from the military base where he was stationed (which ultimately would have solved a lot of problems).
34	** At the end of the movie, the Fantastic Four themselves have an unheroic moment where they [[spoiler:threaten the government with what is effectively a terrorist demand]]. This is PlayedForLaughs, and the conspicuous ProtagonistCenteredMorality present in the situation is not brought up at all.
35	* DesignatedVillain: The US Government, which employed and funded Franklin Storm; allowed Franklin to hire his children and chose their other teammates; who gave Reed, Sue, and Victor the funding for their experiments; who quite reasonably wanted to hire trained professional astronauts to explore the new dimension; who continued to work with Sue, Johnny, and Ben after they gained their powers through no apparent coercion (Johnny is very happy to work with them); and saw the experiment result in Victor killing a lot of people and causing a lot of destruction. And at the end of the movie, Reed, Sue, Ben, and Johnny act like total dicks to them and demand more resources and funding.
36	* EnsembleDarkhorse: Reg E. Cathey has been praised for his performance as Franklin Storm. It's helped by a number of viewers recognizing him as [[Series/HouseOfCardsUS Freddy]].
37	* EsotericHappyEnding: From a narrative standpoint, the heroes saving the world is a pretty standard happy ending -- but from a character standpoint, the Fantastic Four end the movie as broken people who have barely bonded at all. [[spoiler:Sue and Johnny have lost their father. Ben and Reed's relationship is still strenuous at best. Johnny barely knows Reed and is a dick to Ben for no reason. Sue's not Reed's biggest fan either.]] The family dynamic more closely resembles a DysfunctionalFamily than an actual surrogate family. In the movie's defense, a lot of this is in fact true to the comics, or at least it was in the early days -- Ben disliked Reed for his transformation, Johnny was constantly pranking and insulting Ben, etc. In fact, their (relatively) dysfunctional relationships were one of the most notable things about them back then, before [[OnceOriginalNowCommon everyone started doing it in one way or another]]. The movie just takes it way too far.
38	* FanNickname:
39	** There are ''a lot'' of these for Doctor Doom. Based on Creator/TobyKebbell's comments, "Blogger Doom", "Doctor Domashev", [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs and even]] "Blogger Domashev" are used to describe this movie's earlier take on Doctor Doom (which would have radically changed his origins and gave him an AdaptationalNameChange). "Doomashev" and "Doomblogger" were also used. There's also "Crash Test Doomy" and "Trash Test Doomy" due to [[NightmareRetardant Doom's appearance in the last 20 minutes]] resembling a metallic Crash Test Dummy and his ([[FashionVictimVillain intended]]) BadassLongRobe resembling green garbage bags, "Mountain Dew-m" (for his green glow) and "Doctor Dumb" (for his overall stupid look).
40	** "''[=Fant4stic=]''" (generally pronounced [[Letters2Numbers "Fan-Four-Stic" or "Fant-Four-Stic"]] when said aloud) is often used, even in reviews, due to the placement of the 4 in the title.
41	** "''[=Lamet4stic=]''", especially by fans of the ''Film/FantasticFourDuology'' series.
42	** "[[FunWithAcronyms FFINO]]" -- "''ComicBook/FantasticFour InNameOnly''" -- is commonly used by detractors to describe the movie, similarly to how critics of Creator/RolandEmmerich's ''[[Film/{{Godzilla1998}} Godzilla]]'' used the term "GINO" to describe the movie.
43	** Detractors also refer to Creator/JoshTrank as "[[{{Pun}} Trankwreck]]". The name (along with "[[{{Scandalgate}} Trank-Gate]]") is also applied to TroubledProduction of the film itself.
44	* FandomEnragingMisconception: From Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse fans: Do '''not''' insinuate that this movie is connected to Marvel Studios or the MCU in any way.
45	* FandomRivalry:
46	** With Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse fans, who believe the franchise would be in better hands at [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight Marvel Studios]]. Like other Marvel superhero movies made since ''Film/{{The Avengers\|2012}}'', a number of MCU fans said that they would skip this film to increase the chances of the character rights going back to Marvel Studios. After the movie came out, however, many Fox-Marvel fans were in agreement with MCU fans over the quality of the film.
47	** Some ''Film/{{Interstellar}}'' fans felt like the first trailer was a knockoff of Creator/ChristopherNolan's movie. Many critics even stated they felt like the movie was trying too hard to be the science-fantasy equivalent of ''Film/TheDarkKnight''.
48	** Those who prefer ''Film/FantasticFourDuology'' deride this film for lacking the good qualities Creator/TimStory used from his films.
49	* {{Fanon}}: After Toby Kebbell [[WordOfGod revealed]] that his Victor/Doom is introduced as an anti-social computer programmer and blogger known as "Doom" online, a number of people took this to mean that he would be a [[HollywoodHacking hacker]] and/or an Internet {{troll}} based on his very limited wording and a lack of official information. Of course, it's not helped by the fact that Victor is introduced in the film as being a BasementDweller.
50	* FashionVictimVillain: This version of Doctor Doom wears a robe that looks like it was made out of garbage bags. This, combined with [[NightmareRetardant his face]], earned him the [[FanNickname nickname]] "Trash Test Doomy".
51	* FightSceneFailure:
52	** At the end of Ben and Reed's brief scuffle, Ben headbutts Reed in a manner that looks extremely stilted.
53	** The battle between the Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom is seen as the absolute worst point of the movie by critics, featuring a lot of CGI that is pieced together incomprehensibly in a weirdly choreographed and forgettable climax.
54	* GenreTurningPoint:
55	** Though not necessarily in the kind of way that you would think. The movie's TroubledProduction and widely-criticized period of silence for news released during that time seems to have affected the marketing strategy of other superhero movies from that point onward. Nearly every production of any superhero movie made after ''Fantastic Four'' has been a lot more open about showing information long before the movie's release date. Creator/{{Disney}}[=/=]Marvel Studios' ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' and ''Film/SuicideSquad2016'' from Creator/WarnerBros are two examples. This even extends to Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox, who revealed a good amount of information about ''Film/{{Deadpool 2016}}'' and ''Film/XMenApocalypse'', in stark contrast to their previous strategy of keeping quiet about their marketing until the movie is about half a year away from release.
56	** Upon release, the negative reception, and dismal box office performance [[FranchiseKiller destroyed any hope for another Fox-created movie in the franchise]] or an X-Men/Fantastic Four crossover, effectively bringing an end to the planned Fox-Marvel Cinematic Multiverse before it even began. However, the ''X-Men'' Cinematic Universe continued to do fine ([[Film/DarkPhoenix for a]] [[Film/TheNewMutants while, anyway]]), with ''Deadpool'' even initially rumored to have earned a sequel based solely on the extremely positive reaction toward its trailer (when the actual movie turned out to be a huge success, it was quickly confirmed that work on the sequel's screenplay was well underway). Furthermore, after this movie's release, no major announcements about a ''Fantastic Four'' franchise ended up being made (aside from a possibly-unrelated Dr. Doom prequel which has since been shelved) until a second reboot was announced over half a decade later after Marvel's acquisition of 20th Century Fox, while the plans for the ''X-Men'' franchise continued to grow by expanding into television.
57	* HilariousInHindsight:
58	** ''Film/AntMan1'' was well-received by critics, while this movie was critically panned. As a result, [[https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35219905/antmanthing.jpg this panel]] from [[ComicBook/FantasticFour1961 Tom DeFalco's run on ''Fantastic Four'']] of Scott Lang mocking [[WesternAnimation/FantasticFourTheAnimatedSeries the 90s Fantastic Four cartoon]] started making the rounds ([[http://drg4.dancemania-ex.com/FFjoke.jpg panel in context]]). Adding to the hilarity is Scott mocking the concept of FF merchandise in-universe when Marvel made no merchandise to promote this film, as well as the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nNj88HudMI number]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo5NETEV0S0 of]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsCK5p_9nL4 critics]] who finished their reviews by telling people to just go see ''Film/AntMan1'' instead. That Lang's face looks like Creator/PaulRudd's only adds to the hilarity.
59	** A mere six months after the film's release, ''Series/TheFlash2014'' introduced Wally West, a [[RaceLift Race Lifted]] version of a classic comic book character who is depicted as having a rocky relationship with both his father and his more intellectual older sister and participates in illegal street races in his spare time. It's almost like Johnny Storm jumped universes.
60	** In the season of ''Series/HouseOfCardsUS'' released directly after this film, Kate Mara returned in a dream sequence with short hair that Zoe had never sported while alive. In the show it's to emphasize her resemblance to Robin Wright's Claire, but also comes off very much like after her experience with the reshoots on this film, she refused to have anything to do with wigs again.
61	** Kate Mara and Jamie Bell [[RomanceOnTheSet fell in love during the press tour]] and married on July 2017. Hence, the lack of chemistry between Reed Richards and Sue Storm in the film is because Sue prefers Ben Grimm. Especially since the film mostly draws from the Ultimate version of the characters where Sue actually did get together with Ben after breaking up with Reed.
62	** Like Jordan, Reg E. Cathey also made a jump to the MCU, again playing the father of a superhero in Season 2 of ''Series/LukeCage2016'', though it's soured quite a bit by his death months before the season's release.
63	** The famously derided version of Doctor Doom in this movie is a deep-voiced figure with a deformed face, wearing a ragged, hooded cloak and trapped on a barren alien planet. Which bears an astonishing degree of resemblance to [[spoiler: another iconic Marvel villain, the reappearance of '''the Red Skull''']] in ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar''. [[spoiler:For extra points, Doom ''hates'' the Red Skull in the comics since the former is Romani and the latter is a Nazi.]]
64	** [[https://za.ign.com/fantastic-four-2015/90329/news/mr-fantastics-powers-have-been-changed-for-the-fantastic-four-movie According to this film's website]], this version of Reed is a RealityWarper whose powers simply make it look like his body is stretching. [[spoiler:Chapter 1044 of the long-running manga ''Manga/OnePiece'' revealed that warping reality was the true power of protagonist Monkey D. Luffy, who was initially thought to just be a RubberMan like Reed traditionally is. In other words, this infamous movie practically predicted a major twist in a much more universally beloved work seven years before it was revealed.]]
65	* HoYay: The strongest emotional bond in the film is not between Reed Richards and Sue Storm, but between Reed and Ben Grimm. When Reed [[spoiler:goes into exile]], he keeps a photo of the two of them as kids as his motivation.
66	* InferredHolocaust: [[spoiler:Hundreds (if not thousands, or hundreds of thousands) of civilians are killed by Doom's energy vortex, but the movie wants us to forget about this -- immediately after a shot of a destroyed highway full of cars and what appears to be an entire city is shown, no less.]] And nobody even obliquely mentions the catastrophic damage at all after it happens.
67	* ItsNotSupposedToWinOscars:
68	** A sentiment expressed by '''Miles Teller''', of all people. [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/33750796/fantastic-four-cast-havent-seen-the-final-film-yet---and-its-out-in-a-few-days He claimed that he didn't expect the movie to get a high score on review aggregate Rotten Tomatoes.]] Well, [[http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fantastic_four_2015/ he was right]]. [[GoneHorriblyRight He was very right.]]
69	** The sentiment was apparently shared by Simon Kinberg, who said that the movie was [[http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/03/fantastic-four-simon-kinberg-defends "not a disaster"]] right before the release of the movie. [[DamnedByFaintPraise That's not exactly the most reassuring statement.]]
70	* ItsTheSameNowItSucks:
71	** One of the more criticized aspects of this film is the fact that, despite it's ''massive'' tonal differences, it still borrows & repeats many of the disliked story/plot elements of the previous ''[[Film/FantasticFour2005 Fantastic 4]]'' movie, such as:
72	*** Using Doctor Doom as the BigBad, and tying him to the Fantastic Four's origin.
73	*** The namesake team do not do any actual superhero stuff or have any action-pieces until the end of the film, instead spending most of the film testing their powers, which was already one of the most loathed aspects of the previous films.
74	*** Most damningly, the fact that the team actually ''causes'' far more damage & problems than they actually solve.
75	** A common complaint from critics is that the film is very derivative and generic when other superhero films have done much more with their material.
76	* JustHereForGodzilla: For the ''Film/Deadpool2016'' trailer that showed before this film. Some fans just bought tickets to watch the trailer, then headed straight out of the theaters when the actual movie started.
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80	* MemeticLoser: Following the release of ''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'', this film's version of Reed Richards became this [[spoiler:due to the fact that when Reed of Earth-838 was introduced as a member of TheIlluminati, Creator/MilesTeller didn't reprise the role, unlike Creator/PatrickStewart as [[Film/XMenFilmSeries Professor X]] or even Creator/AnsonMount as [[Series/{{Inhumans}} Black Bolt]].]] In fact, despite Marvel Studios delving into the multiverse beginning with ''Series/{{Loki\|2021}}'' and even having an IntercontinuityCrossover with ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'', it's a common sentiment to assume that this version of Reed is/will become [[FaceHeelTurn The Maker]], or that the film's universe [[ExpendableAlternateUniverse has already been pruned]] by the [[TimePolice Time Variance Authority]] or [[WhenDimensionsCollide destroyed by an incursion]].
81	* MemeticMutation:
82	** "''[=Fant4stic=]''" and similar variations, following the reveal of the film's [[Letters2Numbers logo]].
83	** "[[Series/ArrestedDevelopment Daddy needs to get his rocks off]]." (in regards to the Thing being naked).
84	*** [[HilariousInHindsight Funnily enough]], the episode in question[[note]]which featured an in-universe adaptation of a ''Fantastic 4'' film based on the unreleased ''Film/TheFantasticFour'' from 1994 with a massive TroubledProduction[[/note]] had Trank as the guest star.
85	** Kate Mara's conspicuous blonde wig (particularly how it alternates with her very different-looking real hair from shot to shot) was a frequent subject of mockery.
86	** The conversation between Wade and Weasel in ''Film/Deadpool2016'' featured a discussion about how terrible Wade looks after he becomes Deadpool. The conversation is edited to make similar quips about how the new Doom, Thing, [[http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2371/1169/original.jpg?w=480&h or even the movie itself]] look.
87	** After the film's abysmal failure, and Miles Teller in particular not endearing himself to the fans as noted above, there was some comments that it's now rather [[CatharsisFactor more fun than it should be]] to watch him get slapped around by [[Creator/JKSimmons a guy]] who delivered [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy one of the greatest portrayals of a Marvel character ever]] in ''Film/{{Whiplash}}''.
88	** "We gave you six years and millions of dollars, and you gave us nothing." A line from the trailers, which can be used to describe the fan reaction to the movie. Jokes have claimed that the movie accidentally was BreakingTheFourthWall [[ReviewIronicEcho to describe itself]].[[labelnote:Explanation]]The movie was announced in 2009, came out six years later in 2015, and had a budget of $120 million. It was critically panned, and has a cumulative rating of 9% on Rotten Tomatoes, and cost 20th Century Fox millions of dollars in losses. It's a startlingly appropriate line to describe the overall reaction to the film[[/labelnote]]
89	** Detractors of the film have also taken to mocking Creator/MichaelBJordan's infamous [[ThisIsGoingToBeHuge "They'll go see it anyway!" statement]], which was directed at the backlash that the movie got early into production.
90	** After [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse Marvel]] announced Jordan had been cast in their upcoming ''Film/BlackPanther2018'' movie, many joked that playing the Human Torch in a Fox-produced Fantastic Four movie guarantees that you would afterward join the MCU in a better role and movie.
91	** A popular image circulating on the internet is a picture of the main characters from [[Film/TheFantasticFour Roger Corman's film]] saying ''"Finally! We're not the worst Fantastic Four anymore!"''
92	** Due to the infamous, cataloged TroubledProduction of the movie, some people say a movie about the problems that arose from creating ''this'' one would actually be a better movie.
93	** [[EurekaMoment "Say that again."]] [[labelnote:Explanation]]The contrived way that Reed comes up with the team's name, following Ben's blunt statement that their new place is "Fantastic", has been subject to mockery. Likewise, snowclones of other superheroes getting their names for either themselves or their teams in a similar fashion became popular.[[/labelnote]]
94	* MisBlamed:
95	** Some of the early reviewers blamed [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse Marvel Studios]] for the movie's shortcomings. Many were quick to point out that Marvel Studios had nothing to do with the film and in fact, the only reason why this movie even ''exists'' was primarily for Fox trying [[AshcanCopy keep the rights]] before their acquisition by Disney.
96	** There was a lot of argument over whether [[PrimaDonnaDirector Josh Trank]] or [[ExecutiveMeddling 20th Century Fox]] was more responsible for what went wrong with the film, with good points made for both sides. One issue that Trank got flak for, but was actually the result of studio meddling, was [[https://geeksofcolor.co/2020/06/05/josh-trank-fantastic-four-interview/ the casting of a white actress as Sue Storm]]; Trank wanted to RaceLift the entire Storm family to be African-American, but the studio vetoed this, leading to some unintentional stereotypes.
97	* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: One of the few being the Four telling their military superiors that they will not work for them but ''with'' them, by being rewarded their own base without government interference. Their response:
98	-->'''Military officer:''' What if we say no?\
99	''[Ben crosses his arms]''\
100	'''Johnny:''' Say yes!
101	* MoralEventHorizon: Doom's rampage through Area 57 [[spoiler:and murder of Franklin Storm]] -- followed by his attempt to destroy the world -- completely remove any sympathy for the character.
102	* {{Narm}}: Let's just say that this movie's dramatic moments come across as being less-than-fantastic:
103	** The TagLine "When you change the world, prepare to defend it." [[DisorganizedOutlineSpeech It sounds like they mashed up two completely unrelated sentences together.]]
104	** The {{Character Catchphrase}} "It's clobberin' time!" being turned into what Ben's older brother says before hitting him borders on BlackComedy that CrossesTheLineTwice.
105	** [[BrokenBase For some]], the name [[NamesToRunawayFromReallyFast Victor Von Doom]] in a film that's meant to be [[DarkerAndEdgier darker and more serious]] than previous incarnations.
106	** The name "Planet Zero" comes across as actually being sillier than the original "Negative Zone".
107	** For some reason, [[FanDisservice the Thing is completely naked]], which makes it a bit hard to take his scenes seriously. In addition to that, there's a very jarring VocalDissonance with the character in the trailer -- he speaks with Ben Grimm's regular voice as opposed to having the guttural tone the character is known for, which also ups the narm-factor (the actual movie has a vocal filter applied).
108	** While he's being experimented upon, Reed bleats out "WHERE ARE MY FRIEEEEEEEEEEENDS?" like he's passing a kidney stone.
109	** The hallway massacre scene, while [[NightmareFuel genuinely creepy]], is [[NightmareRetardant significantly undercut]] by Doom's dopey-looking [[FashionVictimVillain outfit]]. He's called "[[FanNickname Crash Test Doomy]]" for a reason.
110	** A brief shot has Reed using his powers to vault over a railing -- a short railing he could have easily jumped over like a normal person. Speaking of which, his jumping by stretching his legs and lifting off the ground later in the film looks much goofier than it sounds. It looks like something straight out of a cartoon.
111	* NarmCharm: While Doom's costume may look absurd, the scene of him killing people in the hallway is genuinely creepy... at least when there aren't any close-ups of his face.
112	* NightmareFuel: [[NightmareRetardant Goofy costume]] aside, the scene where Doom walks through the hallway slaughtering scientists and soldiers is [[MookHorrorShow genuinely frightening]], and comes across like a scene from [[OutOfGenreExperience a completely different]] (and better) movie. In a funny way, it's almost a predecessor to the infamous [[Film/RogueOne Darth Vader hallway scene.]]
113	* NightmareRetardant:
114	** On paper Doom's design was ''probably'' meant to look like a gruesome transformation, with him apparently being literally [[BodyHorror fused with his suit]]. In practice, however, it looks more like a hobo wearing glowing trash bags. It doesn't help that his face looks perpetually surprised when someone who had molten metal thrown on them should look at least a little pained.
115	** Alan Scherstuhl's [[http://www.villagevoice.com/film/seven-reasons-fantastic-four-fails-on-the-big-screen-yet-again-7469078 review]] argues that the Thing's appearance is this, especially after having been previously shown only in shadow so as to invoke NothingIsScarier:
116	--->"When [the Thing is] revealed — well, it's not this particular photorealistic talking rock-mound's fault that it looks ridiculous, as that's the fate to be suffered by all photorealistic talking rock-mounds."
117	* ObviousJudas: Which one of the group of friends do you suppose will ultimately be revealed as the BigBad? Could it perhaps turn out to be the insufferable, {{Jerkass}}, MisanthropeSupreme named Dr. Victor von '''''[[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Doom]]'''''?
118	* OlderThanTheyThink:
119	** The infamous use of Letters2Numbers in the stylized version of the title (''[=Fant4stic=]'') was often attributed to being a creation of this movie. Marvel [[http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/67663/3664431-01c.jpg actually did that back in late 2012]] as part of the ComicBook/MarvelNow line.
120	** The name of the lab at the end of the film being "Central City" was mistaken by some as a reference to ''Franchise/TheFlash''. In actuality, Central City was the name of the city the team operated during the series' EarlyInstallmentWeirdness (and is still canon as Reed's hometown).
121	* OneSceneWonder: ComicBook/{{Deadpool}} makes a cameo at the end of the movie's final trailer to advertise [[Film/Deadpool2016 his own movie]]. Many fans found it more entertaining than anything in ''Fantastic Four'' itself, foreshadowing the ''Deadpool'' movie's eventual breakout success. [[HilariousInHindsight Which is ironic]], because Fox pulled the same stunt with ''Film/{{Elektra}}'' by advertising that the movie would feature the first trailer for [[Film/FantasticFour2005 the 2005]] ''[[Film/FantasticFour2005 Fantastic Four]]'' [[Film/FantasticFour2005 movie]].
122	* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight:
123	** Shortly after the movie was announced, fans of the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse declared that a ''Fantastic Four'' movie would be better under Marvel Studios. While many such fans are fine with Fox keeping the ''X-Men'' rights (or at least until they could be properly introduced into the MCU setting) after ''Film/XMenFirstClass'' and ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' were well-received, they also tended to note that Fox's previous two ''Fantastic Four'' movies weren't particularly well-liked, so the property would be better back in Marvel's hands. Sony working out a deal with Marvel to let Spider-Man be part of the MCU only increased demand that Fox work something out with sharing the rights to the team. After the movie was eviscerated by critics, the sentiment increased further. Needless to say, fans were ''elated'' to hear that Creator/{{Disney}} bought most of Fox's assets (including, of course, the Fantastic Four).
124	** Those who loved the Tim Story films believed that he did better Fantastic Four films and are naturally unhappy with Josh Trank's result.
125	* OvershadowedByControversy:
126	** There was a small backlash to Johnny Storm's RaceLift among some fans, especially those in the anti-PC crowd who insisted that Creator/MichaelBJordan was only cast because of his skin color. [[http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/22/michael-b-jordan-fantastic-four-race It was a big enough issue for Jordan to write about it in an op-ed]] for ''Entertainment Weekly''.
127	** People paid a lot more attention to the rumors behind the TroubledProduction than the movie itself -- especially after it was announced that Josh Trank [[TroubleEntendre "left"]] the ''Star Wars Anthology'' movie he was supposed to direct. This '''exploded''' once the movie came out, and when [[CreatorBacklash Josh Trank said he wasn't proud of the final product]]. Once the movie was a certified BoxOfficeBomb, a number of "What went wrong?" articles released afterward popped up, getting heavy traffic online.
128	** Many fans thought that a two-hour documentary about the film's troubled production would be more interesting than the film itself, at least in a Jerry Springer kind of way.
129	* PanderingToTheBase: After a lot of discussion from the filmmakers during the pre-production and production indicated that the movie would distance itself greatly from the source material, Fox's marketing campaign shifted to how the movie was like the original comics in response to the backlash that had accumulated up until that point. However, many were still left displeased by this complete 180-degree turn in their approach, a while after the movie had finished filming, claiming that Fox was sloppily attempting damage control. Naturally, the fanbase wasn't very receptive to the final product.
130	* QuestionableCasting:
131	** The most prominent example in the film would have to be the casting of the Storm siblings due to the RaceLift involved. Many people were confused by black actor Creator/MichaelBJordan being cast as Johnny Storm/Human Torch while Sue Storm/Invisible Woman (his sister) was announced to be played by white actress Creator/KateMara. It's been confirmed that Sue is indeed adopted, though as the BrokenBase entry explains above, critics are of the opinion that Jordan's casting would've made more sense if Sue was also played by a black actress and that making the Storms adopted siblings rather than biological siblings is an unnecessary change that completely alters the dynamic of the characters. It also doesn't help that Michael B. Jordan didn't even have to audition to play Johnny, and was picked by Josh Trank as his first, last, and only choice for the role. People have argued that if they had switched Michael B. Jordan and Miles Teller's roles, there wouldn't be an issue about the actors fitting the characters (see below).
132	** Miles Teller, as Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic, was controversial as well. A few were surprised that Teller (who had been primarily known for playing characters of the frat boy/jokester archetype in teen comedies/coming of age stories) was selected to be the scholarly Reed Richards, instead figuring that he would be naturally more suitable for Johnny Storm. Some even figured that this would've helped solve things if Michael B. Jordan and he had switched parts (seeing as how Jordan is typically much more understated as an actor and this would have assuaged the racial headscratcher). However, given that he strongly resembles Reed Richards, his casting generated less confusion than the casting of the other characters.
133	*** Combining this with WhatCouldHaveBeen, Creator/MadsMikkelsen auditioned for the part but [[http://www.avclub.com/article/mads-mikkelsen-walked-out-his-fantastic-four-audit-252258 ended up walking out]] since they requested him "pretend to extend his arms like a rubber man", thus implying they were planning to cast him as ''Reed'' as opposed to, say, Doctor Doom.
134	** Jamie Bell as Ben Grimm/The Thing has also been contentious. While Bell was hired for motion-capture purposes that the character would require post-transformation, a few people think that Bell was simply too short and skinny to convincingly play "[[TheBigGuy the muscle]]" pre-transformation (as the trailer puts it).
135	** [[ActingForTwo Why is Reed's elementary school teacher also his high school teacher?]] And of all the people to cast as said teacher, why [[Creator/DanCastellaneta Homer Simpson?]]
136	* TheScrappy:
137	** This movie's take on Doom is considered by fans to be one of the worst iterations of the character ever, and is likened to Deadpool from ''Film/XMenOriginsWolverine''. Critics also disliked his [[GenericDoomsdayVillain very unclear motives as a villain]] and felt that he didn't have anything to do, especially since he only turns up again when there's barely twenty minutes of the film left.
138	** This movie's take on Johnny Storm was widely disliked for being an unlikable {{jerkass}} who is rude to his teammates (particularly Ben) for no real reason as opposed to being shown as a [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold likable jerk who ultimately does care about his friends and family]] (as it was in the comics). This is ironic when considering that Johnny is presented as [[CreatorsFavorite Josh Trank's favorite member of the team]]. Even so, many commentators who disliked the characterization of Johnny note that [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously Michael B. Jordan clearly put the most effort into his performance]].
139	* {{Sequelitis}}: "Reboot-itis" in this case, but the effect is still there. The movie is rated more negatively than the Tim Story movies that Fox was trying to distance themselves from, or the Creator/RogerCorman movie that never saw the light of day (outside bootlegs, if you're willing to count that).
140	* SignatureScene:
141	** The team suffering varying degrees of BodyHorror after getting their powers has been cited by numerous critics as easily the best part of the movie, as well as the only scene where the special effects don't disappoint.
142	** Ben Grimm sky-bombing onto the scene to close out the trailer was admitted to be one of the main highlights that got people hyped to see the movie. However, it [[MissingTrailerScene didn't make the final cut]] of the film.
143	** Doom walking through the facility blowing people's heads up ''Film/{{Scanners}}''-style was praised for being genuinely creepy and for being the only time the character acts anything remotely like his comic-book counterpart. It's the closest this movie gets to having a SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome.
144	* SoOkayItsAverage: Some of the more forgiving reviews of the film stated that the film fell into this category; for instance, the [[http://www.reelviews.net/reelviews/fantastic-four Reelviews]] review states that the film "falls into the "adequate" range of the spectrum -- neither memorable nor forgettable".
145	* SpecialEffectFailure:
146	** In the first trailer's shot of Mr. Fantastic stretching, if you look closely, you can see that the same rock is copied and pasted to his left and right (but given slightly different lighting).
147	** The four themselves consist of a Mr. Fantastic pulled straight from the director's [[NightmareFuel night]] terrors, a Human Torch that can't keep all his flames lit (or composited properly), and a pitiful attempt at Sue's force fields. The only one that's even remotely passable (in comparison) is The Thing, and that's saying ''a lot''.
148	** In general, much of Planet Zero looks like an extremely unconvincing greenscreen.
149	** The FinalBattle was filmed during the period of reshoots close to the end of post-production, and it shows:
150	*** In addition to the greenscreen issues described above with Planet Zero, some of the cast appear to be digitally edited into certain shots (since not all of the cast were readily available in post-production).
151	*** Furthermore, the digital effects of the characters using their superpowers in the battle also come across as sloppy and unfinished.
152	** The Thing's face looks different in terms of [[OffModel structure and physical appearance from shot to shot]].
153	** [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelmovies/images/e/e5/Baxter_Building_2015.png/revision/latest?cb=20150419200353 The introductory shot to the Baxter Building]] is very conspicuously digital.
154	** In [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAgnQdiZFsQ one of the trailers]] released, at 1:29 the Thing throws a tank turret only for it to completely disappear in an explosion. One second it's there, the next it literally just turns into a fiery explosion.
155	** The scene of [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4UwBldkKcQ Human Torch flying through an airplane]] features some questionable flight effects, and part of his flames outright disappear for a moment when he flies through debris.
156	** The "organic" test for the matter transporter has an obvious CGI chimpanzee that is far less impressive than the ape effects used by ''Film/RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes'' from the same studio. As Creator/BradJones pointed out in his [[WebVideo/MidnightScreenings review of the film]], given the time, money, and manpower needed to make a CG chimp, it would've been cheaper to just get an actual chimp.
157	** Numerous critics have pointed to Reed Richards using his stretching powers to put on a disguise, and then morphing back to normal, as being some of the worst CG ever put on film, which looks almost as if it was put together in the 90s while they were still trying to perfect the technology.
158	** Not even the practical effects were spared, as several people pointed out that Doom's costume now looks like it was made from discarded tinfoil and garbage bags.
159	** The kid playing the young Reed is saddled with some quite fake-looking scars to match Miles Teller's real ones. It's especially weird since Reed could have easily been explained to have gotten them during the TimeSkip.
160	** The wig Kate Mara wears during the film's reshoots is glaringly obvious. It looks more like something from ''Film/SamuraiCop'' than a major studio release.
161	* SpiritualAdaptation:
162	** From the information that was released about the film and numerous statements from Fox employees, the film seems to have more in common with ''Film/{{Chronicle}}'' than the Fantastic Four. This is a rare case of this trope being considered a bad thing, as many felt that Josh Trank just exploited the film as an opportunity to make his own personal pet project rather than adapt the comic series more faithfully.
163	** Trank himself also described the movie as being what a Creator/DavidCronenberg superhero movie would look like, citing ''Film/{{Scanners}}'' and ''Film/TheFly1986'' as influences.
164	** As WebVideo/DiamandaHagan points out [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjNJVSQMajw in one of her reviews]]: "''[=Fan4stic=]'' is ''[[Film/ZoomAcademyForSuperheroes Zoom's]]'' gritty reboot."
165	---> '''Diamanda Hagan''': In both [[Film/ZoomAcademyForSuperheroes this]] and [[Film/FantasticFour2015 it]], Creator/KateMara plays someone who gets powers she didn't ask for and is sullen about it. She ends up stuck in a base working for the military and learns to control her powers. Then she and three others become a family over the course of the film, half about a [[FallenHero good-guy turned bad]] who returns from where the fuck he was and has to be punched into an energy thing to defeat him.
166	* SpiritualSuccessor:
167	** Josh Trank claimed that the movie was this to his first film, ''Film/{{Chronicle}}'' - the movie explores the consequences of young people with superpowers and what they would choose to do with them.
168	** Upon release, some have taken to comparing the movie to ''Film/{{Hulk}}''. Both films largely focus on the backstories of the characters over the superheroics themselves and are grounded in science.
169	** Interestingly, an argument could be made that it's one to ''Film/TheFly1986''. Both films revolve around a scientist or group of scientists inventing teleportation machines, testing it themselves, and suffering slow BodyHorror that also [[CursedWithAwesome grants them superpowers]] after a disastrous first demonstration of the teleporters GoneHorriblyWrong. Victor essentially serves the role of the Seth Brundle character, who turns into a horrific mutant that wants to take revenge on mankind after he sees the woman he loved [[GreenEyedMonster being driven into the arms of another man.]] The decision by the scientists to test the teleporters personally is even made while they're [[AlcoholInducedIdiocy three sheets to the wind]], just like Seth Brundle.
170	* StrangledByTheRedString: Reed and Sue are kind of hooked up without any explanation as to why they're attracted to one another, other than presumably the fact that they are the OfficialCouple in the source material, which even then there should be build up.
171	* StrawmanHasAPoint: Dr. Allen is presented as being in the wrong for not letting Reed, Sue, Johnny, and Victor go on the first human exploration of Planet Zero and saying the Baxter Institute should send NASA astronauts through the teleporter instead, but he's actually right because:
172	** The four protagonists are literally the brains behind the operation and are absolutely vital for the successful operation of its linchpin, the teleporter. If they were to go and die in an accident on the other side -- something they very nearly do -- then the Baxter Institute would lose very key personnel, and thus lose the knowledge that made such a technological accomplishment possible (and this is later proven after the time skip, in which Area 57 can't recreate the teleporter without Reed).
173	** The scientists don't have the kind of survival training necessary to go into an alien environment and survive, while trained astronauts would be better prepared in every possible way.
174	** The scientists don't even have a real plan of attack when they go into Planet Zero; an ideal plan for a first journey would be to step outside the teleporter, make a few visual observations without touching anything, and immediately return home to then process the data in safety, as real astronauts would do. Since there's no looming time limit for the Planet Zero investigation, the Baxter Institute could rinse and repeat the process until they've safely got all the data they need. However, since our protagonists are both mostly drunk and trying to steal the glory of having first contact over actual scientific procedures, [[TooDumbToLive the scientists decide to mess with things that they shouldn't be messing with]], which nearly gets them all killed.
175	** The scientists have absolutely no supervision or support crew whatsoever on their impulsive expedition, which is monumentally reckless for their own safety. While Sue at least comes in at a later point to help the others get back to the ship, she would be hopelessly inefficient in taking charge of the operation on her own, even if she had been there from the beginning. Again, astronauts would have this via a large dedicated team at their mission control.
176	** The scientists bring a regular civilian (Ben) along, who -- without the necessary knowledge of the technology he's using -- is in even worse shape to be going on the expedition than the others are. Astronauts have actually tried this, and [[GoneHorriblyWrong it went horribly, horribly wrong]], so they have not tried it since.
177	** And again, all the characters but Ben (who was carrying the IdiotBall while the others at least had the excuse of [[AlcoholInducedIdiocy being drunk]]) should know about all of the above, due to their knowledge in science and engineering.
178	* TaintedByThePreview:
179	** The leak, in this case. A lot of people were unimpressed with the way Doctor Doom looked, with some joking that it looks like he was wearing a trash bag uniform.
180	** The ''actual'' preview (the teaser trailer) seemed to zig-zag this, as some actually liked it and others thought that the movie looked too generic and failed to capture the essence of the team.
181	** And then the final trailer was met with [[http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2015/07/14/final-fantastic-four-trailer-is-not-quite-fantastic/ disappointed]] [[http://entertainthis.usatoday.com/2015/07/14/fantastic-four-trailer-2-miles-teller-kate-mara-michael-b-jordan-jamie-bell/ reactions]]. Although it [[http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/trailers/461701-fantastic-four-trailer-new-footage-from-the-superhero-movie#/slide/1 had]] [[http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/videos/see-fantastic-four-rise-to-power-in-epic-new-trailer-20150714 some]] [[http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2015/07/14/with-new-trailer-fantastic-four-raises-its-rock-solid-prospects-to-torch-box-office/ defenders]], it was seen as the worst trailer of the bunch by a few people.
182	* TearJerker:
183	** Six days after the untimely passing of Creator/StanLee on November 12, 2018, Creator/JoshTrank issued a public apology for ''failing him'', and also for not allowing the legend to see a good movie based on the Fantastic Four while he lived. While he was partially responsible, the final product was the result ExecutiveMeddling. And yet Trank still took the blame for its failure to heart in spite of doing his best to honor Lee's greatest creations.
184	** Though most of the cast were able to escape from this film unscathed, Toby Kebbell's job offers reportedly dried up a bit after this film, which is pretty depressing considering his acclaimed turn as Koba in ''Film/DawnOfThePlanetOfTheApes'' that even got some Oscar buzz for his work.
185	* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Nearly everything in this film was changed from the source material (outside of most of the characters' names and [[MythologyGag Mythology Gags]]) and this has been met with derision from a number of fans.
186	** Reimagining the title team from the independent superhero team that they are usually portrayed as in the comics and most versions into a spec ops unit for a good chunk of the movie was not well-received.
187	** A lot of the changes that were made to Doom -- ranging from his last name to complaints that were present in the Tim Story iteration of the character (removing his skills in magic, not using the Doombots, and having his skin turn into metal instead of being armor). The only similarities that he had with his comic book counterpart and most versions were his name and his antagonism towards Reed.
188	** Turning Ben's older brother into an abusive BigBrotherBully didn't sit well with fans. Plus, changing the Thing's cheesy signature battle cry "It's clobberin' time!" into a phrase said by his big brother before he beats Ben up makes the whole thing even worse.
189	** Leaving out Sue from the super-empowering expedition has been widely criticized.
190	** There are the facts that Johnny received a RaceLift, the film had a darker tone than the source material, and the designs of the characters (particularly the fact that the titular team did not have the number 4 anywhere on their costumes), all of which were not well-received and accordingly criticized.
191	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
192	** Fear of this trope taking effect after Harvey Elder was underused most likely contributed to his name-change to Dr. Allen. [[spoiler:Killing him essentially would have cut off Fox from using one of the most recognizable ''Fantastic Four'' villains, Mole Man.]]
193	** '''Doom'''. Prior to the accident, his characterization is very inconsistent. At the end, he becomes a full-fledged GenericDoomsdayVillain who has no properly defined reason to be evil, let alone try to [[StupidEvil destroy the entire planet with himself on it]]. He only appears with powers in the last twenty minutes of the movie, [[spoiler:and then he gets killed off without any hint towards his survival]].
194	** Sue Storm comes off as being so [[OutOfFocus irrelevant to the people around her]] that they didn't even bother to bring her on the initial trip to Planet Zero.
195	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
196	** Many critics note that the movie sets up a number of interesting ideas that never get fully explored. Given that Josh Trank was taken off of the project in post-production, many of these critics believe that his cut of the film would have at least been more interesting to watch, regardless of its quality.
197	** The entire movie is an OriginsEpisode that spends a huge bulk of its running time on retelling the story of the 2005 movie with a lot more {{Technobabble}} and much slower pacing (while the 2005 movie spends 25 minutes setting up the SuperHeroOrigin, this movie takes nearly ''half'' its running time for the Four to even get exposed to what gives them superpowers in the first place). There's barely any story to the movie by the time it's finished; say what you like about the 2005 and 2007 films, but at least they had actual ''narrative arcs'' and a proper beginning, middle, and end.
198	*** One thing that was heavily criticized is that the movie suddenly [[TimeSkip jumps a year ahead]] in the narrative right after the characters get their powers, and barely any scenes of the characters figuring out how to control said powers are included. Critics note that this would have helped justify the ProlongedPrologue and would have helped with the pacing of the film overall, considering that the BodyHorror elements were actually fairly well-received.
199	** The implications of Sue being an adopted sibling, and what it means for her character dynamic between Franklin and Johnny, are never explored.
200	** Ben's anger toward Reed is more justified considering he was never meant to be a part of the expedition in the first place (as he didn't actually work on the project) and that Reed effectively ruined his life... but he puts his enmity aside because the plot structure tells him to, and this plot point is given no resolution whatsoever.
201	** In general, all of the four main characters spent most of their screen time hating each other, [[ConflictBall sometimes with no justified reason]] (such as Ben and Johnny). Sue doesn't get to interact much with the rest of the team either, which undermines the critical foundation of the ''Fantastic Four'' franchise and ignores the main selling point of the source material, to begin with. This is a big reason that the conclusion comes across as an EsotericHappyEnding as opposed to a genuine resolution.
202	** A number of fans have noted that Jeremy Slater's script (covered on the Trivia page under "What Could Have Been") would have made for a significantly better story and a more engaging superhero movie overall than what Simon Kinberg and Josh Trank revised the script into and filmed, though this may not be saying much considering what we ended up with.
203	** Victor mostly joins the project because he fancies Sue and wants to get closer to her, and seems to be getting jealous of how she and Reed are, for want of a better term, 'bonding'. Once more, after the first trip to the planet, this is never mentioned again, beyond Doom saying at the climax that he had different plans before trying to kill her.
204	** Reed abandoning the group makes him a DesignatedHero, yet a way of avoiding this was very evident. Do not have him instantly leave the group, spend time showing the four in the military base then have Reed decide that he wants to go back to Planet Zero in order to find out a way to reverse their powers and bring the other three along with him. That way, not only would Reed's abandonment make sense story-wise, but he would be more heroic and less unlikeable since he wouldn't just be leaving the other three behind like a DirtyCoward.
205	* TooBleakStoppedCaring: One of the most heavily criticized aspects of the film is that it's almost completely bereft of the sense of optimism and bombastic adventure the comics were known for, something even the previous adaptations tried to capture (for the most part). Furthermore, the lack of any real bonds between this iteration of the FF by the end of the movie -- or the perception that the characters themselves are underdeveloped -- are also heavily maligned, as some critics argued that the DarkerAndEdgier tone ''would'' have worked if the characters were actually interesting or worth rooting for in the first place.
206	* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler:Franklin Storm, the most popular character in the movie, gets killed off in Doom's rampage.]]
207	* TookTheBadFilmSeriously:
208	** In a movie where most of the actors were apparently told to give [[DullSurprise the flattest performance possible]], Reg E. Cathey manages to give a decent performance as Franklin Storm in spite of the shortcomings in the script.
209	** Toby Kebbell seemed to be legitimately excited to play Doctor Doom leading up to the release of the movie, even if his actual role in the film essentially reduced his character to being a GenericDoomsdayVillain.
210	** Critics were split on whether the cast playing the Fantastic Four actually tried making the most out of what they were given or if they just phoned their performances in. Of course, Josh Trank allegedly told the actors to give [[DullSurprise the flattest performances possible]] -- apparently, they ''tried'' to act but Trank felt a dull and emotionless monotone equaled DarkerAndEdgier -- so it's possible that they're not entirely to blame. Generally speaking, Michael B. Jordan was hit with the least amount of flak on the matter of his performance because he makes it clear that he wants to be there, and Jamie Bell's performance was similarly hit with less criticism for him putting a visible effort into playing his character (although his version of the character is otherwise criticized for not behaving much like Ben Grimm). Later, Kate Mara was also given some slack after reports came out that Trank was especially abusive to her on set, as well as the fact that she was the most vocal actor to denounce the film.
211	** On the production side of things, Philip Glass and Marco Beltrami managed to crank out a good-to-great score, all things considered, and it received [[http://www.soundtrackdreams.com/2015/08/soundtrack-review-fantastic-four-marco-beltrami-and-philipp-glass-2015/ very positive]] [[http://www.scifimoviepage.com/fantastic-four-soundtrack-review/ reviews]], unlike the movie itself.
212	* TrailerJokeDecay: The television spots constantly showed the gag of Johnny adjusting his seat and the failed fist bump with Reed, taking the humor out of them.
213	* UnintentionalUncannyValley:
214	** The scene of Reed altering his face, going from one obvious CGI model superimposed over Miles Teller's face to another obvious CGI model. It almost looks like something out of ''Film/TheMask''.
215	** The Thing's eyes. The rest of him looks about as cartoonish as you would expect a giant orange rock monster to be, but his eyes are very detailed and very human, giving his whole face an unnerving appearance.
216	* UncertainAudience: One of the numerous reasons [[https://www.villagevoice.com/2015/08/06/seven-reasons-fantastic-four-fails-on-the-big-screen-yet-again/ often given]] for the film's failure is that it wildly shifts between tones, mixing [[Creator/DavidCronenberg Cronenbergian]] BodyHorror (an approach that many fans considered to be ''[[AudienceAlienatingPremise completely wrong]]'' for the wacky, campy and colorful source material) that's too scary for the kids and families that have usually formed the ''Fantastic Four'' target audience while simultaneously offering up desperate, flailing lip-service at being a fun, lighthearted superhero movie like its [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse distinguished competition]]; an effort that in turn alienated horror fans who might have appreciated the darker and scarier elements by making the film look too quippy and fast-paced. Consequently, the climax [[note]]Which was entirely filmed in reshoots, at the last minute, by [[ExecutiveMeddling the studio]], and [[FightSceneFailure it shows]][[/note]] ended up pleasing no one, neither being exciting enough for the fans wanting a traditional superhero beatdown or providing any closure for the people who were [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot actually interested in the darker plots it set up but never paid off]] while also taking so long to be reached that the film ended up [[SlowPacedBeginning feeling too slow and boring]] for general audiences.
217	* VindicatedByHistory: ''Not the Film Itself'', as it is widely agreed to be one of the worst comic-book movies of all time. Rather this is the case for the director. Josh Trank got a lot of the blame for how the movie turned out, even though most of the post-production overhaul -- which completely replaced the second half of the movie -- was handled by writer and producer Simon Kinberg. After the release of Kinberg's directorial debut with ''Film/DarkPhoenix'' (which was also heavily panned by critics and audiences and flopped at the box office), some of the heat for the film was taken off of Trank himself, since it's something of an open secret that Kinberg had way more of a hand in the reshoots than Trank. The fact that Trank made a minor comeback of sorts with another small-scale independent movie also helped, with some theorizing that Trank was probably in over his head managing a big-scale movie during this film's production and had no idea what he was doing.
218	* {{Wangst}}: While Ben's angst is justified like every other ''Fantastic Four'' adaptation, it gets cranked up in this film to the point where [[{{Flanderization}} it overtakes his entire personality]], becoming the character's only notable trait until the last 15 minutes of the film, [[AngstWhatAngst when he suddenly gets over it]].
219	* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: One advertisement airing on a children's network tried to advertise the movie as one about a world where people could do anything with superpowers. Hope the kiddos like a movie featuring BodyHorror and exploding heads![[note]]The cast and crew did state that they didn't see this movie as being "family-friendly", so this most likely qualifies as MisaimedMarketing.[[/note]] The film also somehow wound up on Creator/DisneyPlus in 2020, despite its visceral tone and content.
220	* WTHCostumingDepartment:
221	** Mr. Fantastic's "slinky arms" are a source of mockery.
222	** There are those that [[FridgeLogic think it makes no sense]] as to why the Human Torch would have vents on his outfit when he already has a skintight suit that would negate the heat he is generating.
223	** [[FanDisservice The Thing is naked]] and has no visible external genitalia. The only explanation for why this is the case is that the Thing is supposedly indestructible and does not need a containment suit, but there were still many that argued for the implementation of MonsterModesty.
224	** There were a lot of complaints that Doom looks like a homeless person wearing burned trash bags after his transformation (it's a bit justified in-story considering that his "armor" is actually the burnt remains of his suit, but many were hoping for a costume closer to the source material.) There were also complaints that the movie was going for the "metallic face" explanation as opposed to actually giving the character a mask (oddly enough, the 2005 movie had both of these things.). The complaints were even worse after the scene where Doom rampages through the halls, at which point people started claiming that he looked like a ''crash test dummy''.
225	** Kate Mara is very obviously wearing a wig in the scenes that were added in during reshoots. While this isn't standard for this trope, it leads to some blatant continuity issues in the film, which alternate between cuts of her natural hair and cuts of the wig, especially since such techniques have been done much less conspicuously in other movies.
226	** [[MovieSuperheroesWearBlack Reed's suit]] heavily resembles the leather bodysuit that Hugh Jackman wore for the first three X-Men movies, which just looks ''strange,'' especially considering that the previous [[Film/FantasticFourDuology Fantastic Four Movies]] managed to give him a modern take on his suit and ''still be accurate to the comics''.
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Context YMMV / FantasticFour2015