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| 4 | ->"''Hi, guys. Thanks for tuning in to another video on Forgotten Weapons dot-com. I'm Ian, and today we're taking a look at...''" |
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| 6 | Forgotten Weapons is a [[http://www.forgottenweapons.com blog]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/user/ForgottenWeapons/ YouTube channel]] started in 2011 by firearms specialist Ian [=McCollum=]. The show focuses on rare and [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin forgotten]] firearms throughout history, how they function, and the context surrounding their design. Initially, the site mostly featured text posts with the occasional video supplement, but as the popularity grew, the [=YouTube=] channel has become the main focus. Most videos follow a similar format with Ian sitting behind a table with the firearm of the day where he discusses the weapon's history and context before bringing the camera in closer to show the viewers how the weapon functions and comes apart. Occasionally, the weapon owners allow Ian to take the weapon out on the range for a live fire demonstration. |
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| 8 | Ian also ran another gun related [=YouTube=] channel with his friend Karl Kasarda called [=InRange=] TV which can be found [[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeUNM9NqJqZXfRNeuW4_2sg/featured here]] but the time that Forgotten Weapons took up meant that eventually he stepped back and the channel is entirely run by Karl now with only occasional guest appearances by Ian. |
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| 11 | !!Now let's bring the camera in closer and look at some tropes! |
| 12 | * AddedAlliterativeAppeal: The Bilharz Hall Carbine: [[https://youtu.be/jZ6Nqr92LDw A Crude Confederate Cavalry Carbine Copy]]. |
| 13 | * AdmiringTheAbomination: Ian's opinion on [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2--EcP5xms The Fakiest Fake Berthier]]. While he, rightly, points out that nearly everything on it is quite obviously wrong to someone who knows anything about French military rifles, a lot of non-trivial work has been done on the gun, and to a standard of fit and finish far beyond your average common-or-garden Bubba. |
| 14 | * AKA47: |
| 15 | ** Ian often uses off-brand copies as an excuse to talk about more common models, since they're obscure ''variants'' of otherwise famous designs. |
| 16 | ** Because of Spain's protectionist patent laws--a foreign patent could not be enforced if the product wasn't manufactured in Spain--the country was frequently a source of firearms that were copies of established foreign designs. However, Spain's strong trademark laws required the knock-offs to go by different names and actually encouraged quality production. Ian frequently features these weapons and all of their intrinsic design quirks. |
| 17 | * {{Angrish}}: Ian deteriorates into this while reviewing [[https://youtu.be/1nQzFGe1yMk?t=300 The Worst AK Ever]]. |
| 18 | * AprilFoolsDay: Ian will occasionally try to screw with his audience on April 1st, [[TrollingCreator sometimes going through great lengths to sell the gag]]. |
| 19 | ** In 2019, the April 1st episode covered the very detailed and storied service history of the Munition L.M.P. 1889... which was a rock with a handle on it for bludgeoning people. |
| 20 | ** In 2022, he took a look at the Type 93 rifle - otherwise known as the Chinese assault rifle from ''VideoGame/Fallout3''. |
| 21 | ** In 2023, Ian participated in a collaborative prank of his audience along with Old Nordic Literature scholar, Jackson Crawford by doing a completely deadpan documentary talking about a supposed manuscript that claimed an Icelandic Norse inventor named Fredrik Four Fingers came up with gunpowder independently from the Chinese, and accidentally blew his finger off in the process. This caught a large number of viewers by surprise, some of whom only realized they were being pranked halfway through the video. |
| 22 | * ArtisticLicenseGunSafety: |
| 23 | ** Near the start of [[https://youtu.be/3FHNIwWi2jE this video]] on [=InRangeTV=], Karl points two pistols at the camera. |
| 24 | --->'''Karl:''' Don't worry, there's no one behind the camera.\ |
| 25 | '''Ian:''' That we care about. |
| 26 | ** One [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHmAlGSaCHI "Ask Ian"]] video has him discuss the least safe experience he ever had at a firing range, which ended up being a time when he and his wife went to a range set up around a large hill only to immediately find bullets coming for them; it turned out to be an older couple who'd bought a gun for the first time and just set up a paper target in their back yard, with thick brush behind that target preventing them from knowing what was behind it, thus having no idea they were firing at other people until Ian found them and politely asked they move their target so the hill was behind it. |
| 27 | * ArtisticLicensePhysics: Ian has {{discussed|trope}} how sometimes even gunmakers fall victim to bad physics. A particular example is the Blish Lock, which is based on the idea that dissimilar metals experience different levels of friction under high pressure, and in turn trying to use that to design a locking mechanism for a gun. The thing is, this doesn't work, and while stiction is real and applicable under the far more extreme forces and interrupted screw breeches of the naval guns John Blish was analyzing, it doesn't have anything to do with dissimilar metals. In actuality, all guns designed to use the Blish Principle are either delayed blowback or straight blowback designs, rather than locked breech systems as their designers had intended. |
| 28 | * AscendedFanboy: |
| 29 | ** As the reputation of ''Forgotten Weapons'' grew, Ian began to get invited to various private collectors, museums, and auction houses to feature their weapons in his videos. For example, owners of a gun store in Rome were rather suspicious of a strange foreigner's requests to browse their stock until a young Italian fan of the show, who just happened to be there, recognized Ian and vouched for his reputation. This got to the point where Ian, a huge [[UsefulNotes/{{France}} Francophile]], was given access to the armory of the ''Gendarmarie''[[note]] the French national police force[[/note]] by ''the French Government themselves.'' |
| 30 | ** A mechanical engineer by training, Ian also works as a consultant for Armaments Research Services. He has also written reference books on French small arms and Chinese hand-crafted pistols - all while being a well-known fan of both French rifles and Chinese "mystery pistols" for their unique mechanical features. |
| 31 | * AscendedMeme: |
| 32 | ** Ian has the fan nickname "Gun Jesus" because of his long hair and beard. In May 2019, the multinational firearms company Heckler & Koch [[https://twitter.com/hecklerandkoch/status/1128722987694211072?s=21 posted an image]] of Ian as Gun Jesus, with an HK rifle in one hand and his book on French rifles in the other. Ian's publishing partners insisted that posters be made. |
| 33 | ** Ian's long-running quest to find 7.65 French Long for his ''extremely'' rare MAS-38 submachine gun has been referenced several times by other [=YouTubers=], notably when Nicholas Moran (aka [=TheChieftain=]) [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0JsiMA3Oss interviewed him]]. |
| 34 | * AsLongAsItSoundsForeign: Ian sometimes shows us "Chinese mystery pistols," which are pistols made by small workshops during the Warlord period, usually copies of European and American pistols. They were made by and for people who knew that official guns bore text in the Latin alphabet, but who knew European languages about as well as most Westerners know Chinese. The results range from near-misses (e.g., [[https://youtu.be/TPu0fQhnY48?t=83 using all the correct letters]] on a Mauser C96 copy, but engraving some of them backwards or upside-down to read "WAUƧER" instead) to complete gibberish (e.g., [[https://youtu.be/4HNaB7l2GQk?t=417 this valiant attempt]] at the Fabrique Nationale logo on an FN M1900 copy). |
| 35 | * AwesomeButImpractical: This is pretty much the definitive trope behind the channel, and why many of the guns Ian looks at were "forgotten" in the first place. They might have a novel (or even innovative) design feature, but will consistently lose out to the BoringButPractical competition of their time, solely because the feature was simply not worth the trouble of adopting. Oftentimes, Ian will explain this in detail: No matter what advantage a new weapon has over existing weapons--whether it's more accurate, more powerful, increases an individual's firepower, combines the functions of different weapons, or whatever--you have to convince customers to give up existing weapons of proven reliability in favor of a new one that will take time and money to switch to. That's something they aren't likely to do if they think the new design is too expensive, too cumbersome or risky to the operator, too logistically problematic, not applicable to the problems at hand, or not as reliable and easy to maintain compared to what they already have. Ian definitely appreciates how much fun these awesome yet impractical weapons can be, as indicated by the ones he chooses to purchase for his own private collection. |
| 36 | ** The Puckle Gun, a manually-operated 1.25-inch flintlock revolver cannon from 1718. It was one of the earliest "machine guns" in the sense of a large weapon that could fire multiple rounds before reloading, but it took about 6 or 7 seconds to rotate to a new chamber (fast, but only about twice as fast as a musketeer) and was quite expensive. They received no serious attention from the military for their expense and the poor reliability of the flintlock mechanism; only two are known to have been produced. |
| 37 | ** The Nock Volley Gun, invented by Englishman James Wilson in 1789, was a flintlock musket with seven barrels that all fired at once when the trigger was pulled. It had one flintlock mechanism to ignite the powder in the center barrel, and the fire from that would vent into the six barrels around it to set off the remaining charges. The weapon was deemed impractical for the infantry use which Wilson had intended because it was heavy and took a long time to reload, but the Royal Navy thought that men firing these guns from a perch on the mast might be really effective at sweeping the enemy ship's deck; after getting two prototypes from gunsmith Henry Nock in 1790, they ordered 500 and then another 100. The problem was that they had excessive recoil, and often some of the barrels would fail to fire. If that happened there was no way to tell which of the barrels had fired and which hadn't, so there were a lot of bulged and burst barrels from accidental double-loading. It seems these guns weren't used very much, and in 1805 the Navy retired them from service. |
| 38 | ** The Phillips & Rodgers M47 Medusa is a revolver that can chamber basically any cartridge with an overall length and bullet diameter equal to or smaller than that of a .357 Magnum. A revolver doesn't have the headspace requirements of a semiautomatic handgun, so the challenge is just getting the cartridges to sit properly in the cylinder for firing and extraction. The extractor mechanism has long, flexible fingers that snap into the extractor grooves on rimless cartridges, and that can be depressed down and away from the cases of rimmed cartridges. The idea--supposedly--is that in case of a nuclear apocalypse scenario you can keep your gun fed even if all you have is a "[[BindleStick hobo sack]]" of random scavenged ammo. It's an innovative and well-manufactured gun, and the accuracy with different types of ammo isn't that bad, but the problem is that the concept just isn't very realistic and there wasn't enough of a market for it. Even though it can shoot cartridges with a bullet diameter smaller than the bore, you'd have to be pretty desperate to use them since the bullet won't engage the rifling, meaning inconsistent accuracy since there's no spin being imparted and a low muzzle velocity since there's so much free space for the muzzle flash to escape through without having to push the bullet out of the way - even his first test of an all-9x19mm load saw one bullet hit close to center before the next three keyholed at the very edges of the target and the last two missed entirely, because of the amount of space the bullets had to travel before they actually engaged the rifling - and the extractor fingers that let it fire smaller bullets are rather fragile, enough so that Ian refused to put any amount of stress on the ejector rod, which is a big no-no for a survival situation where you'd expect to be reliant, likely for a significant length of time, on that one gun with no replacement parts forthcoming and whatever random ammo of several calibers you can scavenge for it. You can use 9x19mm, .380 ACP, .38 Special, .38 S&W, and .357 Magnum for best results, but the gun isn't cheap, and the only people likely to buy it are CrazyPrepared apocalypse planners who almost certainly have at least one firearm (if not several) in each of those calibers already. For them it'd make more sense to prepare for doomsday by just hoarding ammunition made specifically for whatever guns they have, rather than blowing money on a universal ammo gun that they will probably never need. The Medusa had that "money-where-your-mouth-is" problem of people thinking it sounded cool but not being ready to open their wallets, and the company only sold something like 500 of them before going out of business. |
| 39 | ** The [=EtronX=], introduced in 2000, is a Remington 700 rifle with the trigger and firing mechanisms replaced by electronic versions. The firing pin is replaced by an insulated electrode, the trigger operates an electronic switch instead of a mechanical sear, and a 9V battery in the buttstock feeding a capacitor provides the energy to ignite the special ammunition primer, a resistor that generates heat to ignite the powder in the cartridge. The way it works is pretty cool, and it has some unusual properties such as allowing you to adjust the trigger pull, anywhere from half a pound to two and a half, or take advantage of the fact that the action isn't under any spring pressure, which makes cycling incredibly fast and smooth. The electronic mechanism also practically eliminates lock time, which is the delay between trigger pull and cartridge ignition. However, it cost about twice as much as a regular Remington 700, and while lock time (which for the average firearm made since 1865 is measured in ''microseconds'') might matter to someone like a [[ImprobableAimingSkills bench-rest shooter]] who has really specific needs, it just isn't significant to the sporting rifle market. Gun buyers were also jittery about the future availability of the special ammunition (although Ian does note Remington went out of their way to make sure its specialty ammo could be hand-loaded the same as regular ammo), and have always tended to distrust any use of electronics in firearms beyond extremely simple accessories that can just as well be done without (e.g., short-range, unmagnified red dot sights) out of fears over reliability. The necessity of not losing the tiny key which allows you to operate it can also be a concern. There's also the fact that ''other'' than the electronic firing system, the [=EtronX=] is just like an ordinary Remington 700, meaning that while worries about reliability turned typical gun buyers away, the conventional bolt-action setup meant it didn't particularly appeal to high-tech enthusiasts either.[[note]]That said, Remington might not have had much choice; a semi-automatic with electronic firing would be considered a machine gun under US law, since all it would take to convert it to full-auto would be hacking the software to disable the trigger disconnect function.[[/note]] Ian praises Remington for trying, and predicts that electronic ignition is the direction firearms will go in once there's enough commitment from manufacturers and the public, but the [=EtronX=] was too ahead of its time when it came out. It sold poorly, and was removed from the Remington catalog in 2003. |
| 40 | ** Since so many commenters have asked why [[{{BFG}} anti-tank rifles]] haven't been used more often as sniper weapons, presuming that they'd have greater range and hitting power, Ian explains that these weapons aren't just upscaled versions of sniper rifles but follow a very different design philosophy. They were mass-produced with the intention of equipping a lot of soldiers with a weapon which could hit a tank-sized target at not-particularly-long ranges, and be powerful enough to at least damage or disable some component. Therefore they were generally issued with iron sights instead of scopes, and in most cases the manufacturing tolerances for both guns and ammunition were too loose to ensure high precision. They're very heavy, there's a lot of recoil, and regular sniper rifles are already long-ranged and lethal enough against personnel. Anything bigger would be mere overkill. |
| 41 | ** In the [=InRange=] TV episode "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC4Gqvd7T1s Bolt guns are Obsolete]]", Ian and Karl talk about how being amazingly good at using a bolt action rifle isn't a useful combat skill in a modern warfare situation against semi-automatics. Some gun enthusiasts seem to think that the disadvantage of bolt action against semi in combat is overblown, and that if a rifleman were trained to use his bolt action to its full potential he could be the equal in combat of any person with a semi-auto. In support of this, such people talk about the feats UsefulNotes/SimoHayha performed with his Mosin-Nagant, or how a British sergeant instructor supposedly set a record in the Mad Minute by scoring 39 hits on a 36-inch target at 300 yards using the Lee-Enfield service rifle. While that kind of performance with a bolt gun is undeniably awesome and impressive, Ian and Karl's point is that hardly anyone is actually going to put in the work or possess the talent to get that good with one, and that the bolt-action service rifles of the World Wars have inherent disadvantages compared to semi-autos in real combat that one cannot simply train out of. These old bolt guns that people own today are far from being great sniper rifles as some would like to believe: the sights suck, surplus ammo is low quality, and they were made back when the required performance for an infantry rifle was about 4 MOA[[labelnote:Explanation]] MOA (Minutes Of Angle) is firearms terminology for 1/60th of a degree; when something is accurate to within 4 MOA, it means the bullet will travel in 1/15th a degree in any direction relative to where you're pointing, which comes out to within four inches of the target point at 100 meters. [[https://venatoresoutfitters.com/minute-of-angle-for-dummies/ A better explanation from Venatores Outfitters]] [[/labelnote]], or maybe as good as 2 for a sniper's rifle; a far cry from today when any worse than ''1'' MOA is considered crap. So you're probably going to miss your first shot, and then no matter how fast you are at operating the bolt, by the time you get to the end of your magazine your semi-auto armed opponent is either going to have already killed you with his superior rate of fire, or he'll have long since taken cover. In which case, every subsequent time that he pops up is going to be so brief that you'll never be able to get off more than one shot before he's disappeared again, whereas a semi-auto would be able to squeeze off several rounds in that brief window of opportunity for a better chance of hitting. |
| 42 | --->'''Karl:''' And let me add to that, in the modern day of 2017, y'know, okay that's a cool skillset, and if you were someone that was going to be an exhibition shooter and wanted to replicate such a thing, have at it. But you are practicing an obsolete and worthless skill. That's what it boils down to, because if you're looking at this in terms of a--from a combative nature, what you just did with that Enfield you could have already defeated with a Mini-14, an AK-74, AK-47, a friggin' SKS. |
| 43 | ** The idea of starting your own company to produce and sell the really cool gun you just invented. Ian's advice: forget about it. You might have a legitimately good design idea, and if you're a competent machinist it isn't that hard to make a well-functioning prototype in your own workshop. But it's a totally different thing to raise the capital to set up a production line, and to figure out machine tooling that lets you mass produce a defect-free product without the benefit of hand-fitting. New guns tend to have teething troubles, and the gun industry caters to customers who have come to expect an ''extremely'' high standard of reliability for the simple fact that anything less is an active danger to the user and those around them. Most gun companies that are founded go bankrupt, and the industry is dominated by large companies because they tend to be the only ones with the necessary mass production expertise and the ability to suck up big initial losses while they work out the bugs. In addition, the development of firearms has pretty much reached a plateau in the 21st century. Rather than truly revolutionary concepts being introduced, gun-makers are just looking to achieve incremental improvements over what already exists. Meaning that it's harder than ever for the inventor to make their new gun stand out enough to get people to buy it. As such, Ian's advice to anybody who wants to be a firearms designer is to make sure they've got some other job to bring in the money, with inventing a gun just being a hobby. That way if the gun isn't a commercial success (and it almost certainly won't be), you don't lose out on anything. |
| 44 | ** In his episode on the Gustloff Volkssturmgewehr, a last-ditch rifle produced by Nazi Germany at the end of World War II, he opines that the Germans would have done better to increase MP 44 production instead of introducing a new, simplified model. In theory the crudity and inferior performance of the rifle were supposed to be justified by the ability to produce it cheaply under primitive conditions, but any production efficiencies were negated by the delay and expense of setting up the new production line. The end of the war came too soon for the VG to enjoy such economies of scale as the MP 44 already had. |
| 45 | ** Any of the late 19th and early 20th century rifles and handguns that were designed to work around existing patents tend to fall right into this territory. There are only so many ways to make your gun work mechanically. Once all those avenues and specific elements of each new gun that made them work got patented, gunsmiths started to tinker with truly bizarre new designs, for the sole purpose of avoiding the patent-related fee. Any gun from that era and that design goal in mind that Ian ever covered was undeniably awesome from purely mechanical standpoint, but was overly complex, extremely unreliable or incredibly expensive to make - and usually all three at once. |
| 46 | ** The Trejo .22 pistol was originally full-auto, and could burp out its small, 8-round magazine in less than a second. Ian admits that this feature is totally useless, but it gives the pistol plenty of [[RuleOfFun "giggle factor"]], as evidenced by him chuckling like a toddler after each magazine he puts through it. |
| 47 | ** The [=HK51=] automatic rifle. While a desire to have full-power battle rifle with the size of an SMG is understandable, the weapon is extremely uncomfortable to shoot, even in an open space. Indoors, concussion from the muzzle blast will be even worse because of all the still-burning gunpowder being released as muzzle flash, since you're taking a round designed to be used with guns whose barrels were at least 18 inches long and firing it through one cut down to less than half that. |
| 48 | ** The AK-107, utilizing the "balanced recoil" principle. While the system does decrease the amount of recoil felt by the shooter, it is also very complex to manufacture and maintain. In comparison, a muzzle brake is cheaper, simpler, and better at reducing recoil. |
| 49 | ** Drum magazines, to the point Ian eventually made a dedicated video to discuss them. On one hand, they provide a huge number of shots before needing to reload, and are much easier to swap into and out of your gun than a box full of belted rounds. On the other hand, they are just terribly complex and expensive to make. Drum magazines have a disproportionately heavy mass for their capacity and oftentimes lack interchangeability with box magazines if both sets were made for the same weapon, which tends to further increase feeding problems on the drums - and the drum mags ''themselves'' often aren't interchangeable, either, typically being made proprietary for one specific gun. |
| 50 | ** Any video about a "smart gun", one which integrates electronics in some way to prevent unauthorized use, almost inevitably falls to the same set of issues regarding the reliability of these electronics (which is usually poor) and the ability to circumvent them and use the gun unauthorized (which is usually stupidly easy). The title of [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cRm9BMxl90 the video on the Biofire]] even says it may very well be the first worthwhile one in existence, and its state-of-the-art, ''working'' electronics come at the cost of having to manufacture a new design of gun to include them rather than build the electronics around an existing weapon, which comes with its own teething problems - the early model Ian gets to fire jams two times in as many magazines. |
| 51 | ** After an episode where he looked at a defictionalized M90 shotgun from ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'', he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDyH03Whemw came back a few months later]] to answer the question of why no real-life shotguns have been designed with the magazine tube on top. His response is that it doesn't convey any real benefits that outweigh those of traditionally-designed shotguns with the barrel on top: the vast, vast majority of uses for tube-fed shotguns don't have any real need for faster reloads, whether in sport shooting (which allows for reloads between stages rather than in the midst of them) and home defense (where one typically only needs one shot to take out an intruder), and instinctive shooting is much easier when the bead sight is as far out as it can go at the muzzle end of the barrel, rather than halfway along it at the end of the mag tube; conversely, for uses where a shotgun ''does'' need to be reloaded quickly, like a combat shotgun, ones fed by detachable box magazines offer faster reloading than any tube could ever offer regardless of its orientation to the barrel. On the other hand, Ian admits that the American gun market has reached a point where it's not entirely driven by need, so someone ''could'' design a shotgun with the tube magazine on top of the barrel and still sell decently well purely on the RuleOfCool, which he assumes is exactly the mindset the ''Halo'' shotgun was designed under - it makes the reloading animation more interesting, since it lets players see the shells load into the tube rather than disappearing underneath it. |
| 52 | * BackwardsFiringGun: |
| 53 | ** One of the channel's most popular videos involves a real-life test firing of a Canadian Ross rifle with an improperly assembled bolt. The results were [[EyeScream not pretty]]. |
| 54 | ** Ian generally points out the mechanical safety features included in most firearms that prevent this situation. |
| 55 | * {{BFG}}: |
| 56 | ** Anti-tank rifles, knee mortars, elephant guns, and crew-served cannons have all made appearances on the show. One ridiculously huge "sporting" rifle shown is the [[https://youtu.be/qg0RdhFnTd0 "Fat Mac"]], which fired a ''.950'' round. |
| 57 | ** A German [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jupKqqqgBJM Pzb 39]] anti-tank rifle and a collection of [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDYtxxRU_cY 4-bore stopping rifles]] are some specific examples. Ian even got to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_dtC6ZOR3w fire]] the latter. |
| 58 | ** And if even a 4-bore fails to impress you, Ian presents a [[https://youtu.be/OYlDgwo52tI 2-bore double-barreled stopping rifle]] called "Double Deuce" made by Stolzer & Son of Kansas, which weighs 44 lbs and shoots a 1.33 inch ball weighing 3500gr. It's ''much'' too big for practical use, but it's a true gunsmithing spectacle. |
| 59 | * BindleStick: At the beginning of his Medusa revolver video, he pretends to be trudging around a post-apocalyptic wasteland (portrayed quite convincingly by rural Arizona) with a "hobo sack" full of random ammo for his multiple-cartridge revolver. He's trying to show that the whole scenario is rather silly, helped by Karl running behind him, screaming while shooting at a berm (and no apparent targets). |
| 60 | * BizarroEpisode: While pretty much every episode of the show is Ian talking about oddball weapons and the engineering that goes into them, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM7dGuGd404 Apocrypha: Tour of the Kyrö Distillery]] [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin sees him visiting a high end whiskey and gin distillery]] which he stumbled upon while in Finland. Ian found the place so interesting he felt the need to make a video on it. |
| 61 | * BlandNameProduct: A real-life example. Ian once tested a box of "Hunting Rifle Ammunition", with absolutely no branding of any kind. |
| 62 | * BlingBlingBang: The episode about damascening--decorating metal objects by fusing gold leaf and fine gold wire into the metal surface--looks at several guns that frankly make a gold plated Desert Eagle look mundane. |
| 63 | ** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beOgmCxeh7A This custom made German wheel-lock musket from 1625]] that happens to be a [[SchizoTech breechloader]] certainly qualifies as both a beautifully crafted artistic object and an ahead-of-its-time firearm. |
| 64 | * BoringYetPractical: Every so often, Ian will cover a "boring" non-forgotten weapon to provide viewers with a baseline for what became standard features. Usually, Ian will find some way to cover these features with some rare ''version'' or prototype of an otherwise standard gun. |
| 65 | * BoulderBludgeon: For AprilFools Day 2019, Ian released a video about the fictional military history of a rock with a handle on it, dubbed the Municion L.M.P. 1889. The joke is based on an image of a French UsefulNotes/WorldWarI soldier heaving a rock over his head. |
| 66 | * CharacterArc: Ian explores the design linage of popular/well-known firearms this way, either by looking at how prototypes and early design variants evolved or how design elements were incorporated from earlier designs. Ian also examines the careers of various firearms designers in the same way. |
| 67 | * CheeseEatingSurrenderMonkeys: Defied, as Ian is quite the Francophile, an avid collector of French weapons (especially from World War I), and the author of a reference book on French rifles, ''Chassepot to FAMAS.'' He takes pains to debunk myths or misconceptions about the poor performance of French weapons and where criticism is warranted, explains the context behind it. |
| 68 | * ClickbaitGag: The Halbek Device was made in Rhodesia to control muzzle climb on FAL rifles. Forgotten Weapons made [[https://youtu.be/oznjv7KbmsQ a video about it]] called "Rhodesia made their [=FALs=] great with this one weird Halbek device!" This parodies the common "X did Y with this one weird Z" click bait. One of the top rated comments provides the standard follow up "Doctors hate him". Needless to say, much to Ian' surprise and delight, said device actually helps to reduce muzzle climb, forcing the rifle ''downwards''. |
| 69 | * CoolButInefficient: |
| 70 | ** Ian thinks the Trejo machine pistol, which fires .22 ammunition at roughly 1,200 rounds per minute so that the 8- or 11-round magazine empties in an instant, has no practical purpose besides making the shooter giggle with gleeful amusement. He demonstrates this by taking it out back and burning a few magazines through it, all while giggling with gleeful amusement. |
| 71 | ** William [=McCarty=]'s turret revolver of 1909 contains 18 shots of .22 rimfire in a large vertical ring. It has very high capacity for a revolver and is very cool mechanically, but it's too big and heavy, the ergonomics are terrible, the cartridge is too weak, it can't be loaded quickly, and it was obsolete to begin with thanks to the proliferation of dependable semi-automatics. It's no wonder that it never got to production, and Ian was surprised to learn that any prototypes actually exist. |
| 72 | ** The Arc Flash Labs GR-1 has terrible range, accuracy, rate of fire and ergonomics, but Ian doesn't care, because ''it's a Gauss Rifle''. |
| 73 | * CorruptQuartermaster: Commented on with Tommy Steele. When he left the Rhodesian Army, where he was an armourer, he stole [[DamnedByFaintPraise only one thing]]: a bag of [=G3=] push pins... which just so happens to be the same type he used on the TS V. |
| 74 | * {{Crossover}}: Ian has done collaborations from time to time with other [=YouTube=] channels. |
| 75 | ** There is [[https://youtu.be/wwaqY2R4VwE a video]] with [[Creator/TheCynicalBrit TotalBiscuit]]. |
| 76 | ** After Ian and Othias from WebVideo/CandRsenal both covered the M1903 Air Service Rifle within days of each other, the two made a [[https://youtu.be/dugp6lVQ2BE crossover video]] posted to both channels. |
| 77 | ** This incredibly low-tech [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6LrYNZOBHk collaboration with Bloke on the Range.]] |
| 78 | ** A year or so later, Ian and [=C&Rsenal=] collaborated on the series "[[https://youtu.be/TVgkwQTo2n4 Project Lightning]]," a detailed comparison of light machine guns from the Great War. |
| 79 | ** Ian collaborated with "The Chieftain" (Nicholas Moran) on [[https://youtu.be/cmMynoZxVKA a video discussing the various weapons found on an M4 Sherman tank]]. |
| 80 | ** Autumn 2022 saw an unexpected crossover with Old Norse specialist [[https://youtube.com/c/JacksonCrawford Jackson Crawford]]. Dr Crawford is a competitive shooter on the quiet, and met Ian while taking part in the "Finnish Brutality" shooting competition. Cue videos on both channels of the two of them hanging out in Finland and Iceland. |
| 81 | ** August 2022 also had a brief appearance of Žiga from Polenar Tactical to start off a video on [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFR2zHfLZqc the Perun X-16]]. |
| 82 | ** March 2024 saw a crossover with Jonathon Ferguson [[note]] Keeper of Firearms and Artillery at the Royal Armories Museum in the UK, home to thousands of iconic weapons throughout history[[/note]]. |
| 83 | * CulturalPosturing: Regarding which nations' militaries have a rose-tinted view of their native-designed service rifles, Ian thinks the tendency is greater in countries that have compulsory military service. Non-volunteer recruits are less likely to have experienced a variety of firearms in civilian life, and in the military they are only trained on the official service rifle. This makes them more susceptible to motivational propaganda to the effect of "we give our soldiers only the best!" The Brits stand out in particular, with some claiming that the [=SA80=] is a better rifle than the American M16; while Ian acknowledges that the [=SA80=] has grown the beard, he finds this assertion chuckle-worthy. Some British veterans, however, have tried American weapons (without their superior's consent) and found the M16 easier to use. When [[https://www.forgottenweapons.com/an-interesting-possibility-the-fg-42-in-8x33mm-kurz/#comment-3558685 asked]] if the AR-15 platform was better than the L85, one veteran responded in honesty. |
| 84 | -->[[https://www.forgottenweapons.com/an-interesting-possibility-the-fg-42-in-8x33mm-kurz/#comment-3558737 "Geezer"]]: L85 is just, well, really not good. It's not, in A2/3 form actually bad, because at least the thing works, and it is very accurate for a service rifle, but the AR-15 platform is just so much better – in handling and mag changes. Poor on some kinds of stoppage because of the rear-mounted charging handle, but you can teach that.\ |
| 85 | There is a reason the AR-15 platform has been in service longer (just) than I have been alive. It's that it's good. |
| 86 | * DeathOfAThousandCuts: The American 180 Submachine Gun fires the tiny .22 rimfire cartridge, but with a 165–275 round pan magazine and a 1,200 round-per-minute rate of fire, you can hose your target with so many bullets that the size doesn't matter. At the same time, the small round is unlikely to over-penetrate, which makes it good for police work and enclosed spaces. It's even better than it sounds, because even at such a high rate, it has hardly any perceptible recoil, and while you're unlikely to over penetrate accidentally, the combination of accuracy and steadiness means you can potentially chew through body armor or cover by intentionally shooting the same spot repeatedly. Promising as it was, there was no way it could have survived after the 1986 machine gun law, because it depended on full auto to be effective. |
| 87 | * DramaticGunCock: Ian opens the video on the Semmerling [=LM4=] sub-compact .45 pistol by demonstrating how to rack it one handed by jerking the pistol forwards and backwards in what is perhaps the closest pistol equivalent of a OneHandedShotgunPump. This works because the [=LM4=], a boutique handgun that aimed to be the smallest repeating .45 handgun on the market and still is over 40 years later, is not actually self-loading, but rather is purely manually cycled and only held shut by a small detent until pressure is put on the trigger, at which point the barrel and frame actually lock together. |
| 88 | * EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: |
| 89 | ** Older videos had a fancy title sequence, in one of two different variations (one of which, as seen [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW2p9gkmHxM here]], simply showed several clips of him firing weapons all at once, and a more recent one seen [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfJkU4Sah8I here]] with music as several clips of both shooting and disassembling weapons play in sequence), which has been dropped in favor of a simple title card with a black background. |
| 90 | ** In the early days, many of the videos were reviews of firearms history–related books. These gradually became much less frequent, but now seem to be making a comeback. |
| 91 | ** The quality of Ian's video and audio recording equipment has improved over the years, especially since Forgotten Weapons was originally established as a website and early videos were special "video episodes". After becoming predominately a Website/YouTube channel, the equipment was greatly improved and the setup more professional. |
| 92 | * TheEnemyWeaponsAreBetter: He discusses this tendency while showing off [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jdd-yUNfHg the MP-41(r)]], a [=PPSh-41=] converted to fire 9x19mm from MP 40 magazines; German soldiers on the Eastern Front thought the [=PPSh=] was the better gun for its huge magazine and higher rate of fire, while the Russian soldiers thought the MP 40 was better for its reliability. Then some actual research into this was done by the ''Heereswaffenamt'' after requests came in for Germany to just manufacture [=PPShes=], who concluded both were right to some degree - the MP 40 was more robust as a weapon, but the [=PPSh=] magazine was more reliable - and that the best response to this request would be to make an MP 40 with a 7.63mm barrel that used [=PPSh=] drums, [[BaitAndSwitch only to then deliver the exact opposite]], a [=PPSh=] with a 9mm barrel that used MP 40 mags. |
| 93 | * ExactWords: |
| 94 | ** Patents work this way, and Ian explains how many early firearms designs have had to find new ways to do the same thing. The most famous case is Rollin White, who patented fully bored-through cylinders to fit cartridges in revolvers (read: the same way every revolver does it now), gave Smith & Wesson exclusive rights to use it, and aggressively fought to protect his patent even in the middle of UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar. Dozens of unique designs were created to try and get cartridge revolvers on the market without running afoul of his patent until 1869, when UsefulNotes/UlyssesSGrant used his authority as President to forcibly deny the extension on the grounds that he was making life unreasonably difficult for the military.[[note]]Rollin White's case is also cited as an example of a patent that wasn't actually valid nonetheless being enforced; French gunmaker Eugene Lefaucheux had ''already invented'' a revolver with a bored-through cylinder to fire metallic cartridges and started selling it before Rollin White even applied for his patent. Moreover, White's patent wasn't even for a revolver firing metallic cartridges, it was for conversion of a single-shot pistol to fire paper cartridges. Thanks to lobbying (and possibly outright bribes) by Smith & Wesson, the White patent was being applied far more broadly than the invention it actually covered. It's no wonder that President Grant blocked it from being extended.[[/note]] |
| 95 | ** The title is Forgotten ''Weapons'', not Forgotten ''Firearms'', which becomes relevant when Ian features a sword or bayonet or technically even an airgun. |
| 96 | * ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin: |
| 97 | ** Friend of the show Charlie Hobson is the flamethrower expert and runs [[http://www.flamethrowerexpert.com Flamethrowerexpert.com]]. |
| 98 | ** The video "Slow Motion Malfunctions of Exotic Firearms" is... guess what? with Ian providing commentary over the footage of the malfunctions in question. |
| 99 | ** When trying to zero sights on a Finnish M39 Mosin rifle and match the best ammunition for it for an incoming competition, Ian procured several different types of both light and hunting ammo. Including a box of 204 grain hunting rounds with "Hunting Rifle Ammunition" written on it instead of a brand. |
| 100 | * GatlingGood: Ian has covered the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIlwHT4IdRc M134 Minigun]], as well as a replica of a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ildteJbZ9Jw 1877 'Bulldog' Gatling gun]]; he has even shown off the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN5AQrMXUZw 240-round Broadwell Drum]] designed for the vintage Gatling Gun. |
| 101 | * GhettoName: |
| 102 | ** The Armsel Striker, a revolving drum shotgun with a 12-round capacity, was renamed the Street Sweeper by US importer Cobray in an attempt to appeal to [[GangBangers urban street gangs]] or [[PrettyFlyForAWhiteGuy suburban wannabes]]. [[TemptingFate Of course]], in the era of skyrocketing violent crime rates, this attracted the attention of Federal regulators, who had the weapon declared a destructive device, wiping out any commercial potential. Turned out to be more of an IronicName, since when Ian reviewed the gun, it was a [[AwesomeYetImpractical pretty terrible weapon]] and far less "destructive" than its designation would imply. Almost every semi-automatic shotgun is more "destructive" than the Street Sweeper (since they're far less likely to jam after one shot), but nobody was stupid enough to give them names implying they were ''meant'' to be used as murder weapons by gangsters. |
| 103 | ** The Cobray Terminator, which is probably the worst shotgun in the entire world, looks like an oversized Sten gun and certainly looks and sounds scary. Owing to the way it functions, as described below, it cannot be easily converted into a machine gun, contrary to what anti-gun personalities have alleged (doing such a conversion would involve lots of materials such as a new barrel and a new receiver unit altogether). Cobray supposedly made this design to trick the BATF into attempting to ban (or restrict, as what actually happened) a weapon that wouldn't even [[https://www.forgottenweapons.com/cobray-terminator-at-the-range-the-worst-shotgun-ever function properly]] and reveal that the Feds were unfairly targeting Cobray's products on principle. Not surprisingly, the outcome was that the BATF's reputation took a turn for the worse after gun reviewers savaged the Terminator for poor performance following the massive amount of attention the shotgun received from being labelled a "destructive device." |
| 104 | * GunsAkimbo: In [[https://youtu.be/Fn6LyFxlogE this video]], Ian dual-wields two fully automatic pistols (at about three minutes). |
| 105 | -->'''Ian:''' I didn't hit nothing, I hit everything! Probably not the target though. |
| 106 | * GunsDoNotWorkThatWay: [[https://youtu.be/E6LrYNZOBHk This video]] seeks to dispel several gun myths that even Website/ThisVeryWiki propagates. |
| 107 | * GunNut: Ian often calls himself a "gun geek," and it's easy to see why. |
| 108 | * GunPorn: ''Lots of it''. Ian often goes to meticulous detail in his videos to show the inner workings of various firearms and sometimes takes them over to the range for a test fire. |
| 109 | * HeroicLineage: Ian's father, Duncan, is also a historian and enthusiast of small arms, his area of specialty being in Japanese weapons. |
| 110 | * HoistByHisOwnPetard: |
| 111 | ** In the RPG-7 video, Ian talks about how the projectile has a rather unsafe impact fuse located on the tip which will cause the warhead to explode as soon as it strikes something, with no minimum range at which it will detonate. The warhead sticks out from the front of the weapon, and the only safety against premature detonation from accidentally bumping it into something is a plastic cap that covers the fuse while it's screwed on. Since the warhead is basically disarmed until you remove the cap, and it takes a couple of precious seconds to get it off, users who want to be ready to fire it in case of a surprise attack have been known to unscrew the cap and walk around with their warhead sticking out armed, which is just begging for an accident to happen. An American soldier told Ian that he saw an insurgent in Iraq trip as he was running across a street while carrying an RPG with the cap removed, and as he fell on his face his rocket detonated against the ground, blowing him to bits.[[note]]The original Soviet-made rockets used a much safer piezoelectric detonator that only armed itself after being fired, with a pinned-on metal safety cover that could be removed simply by giving a sharp yank on the attached lanyard; however, post-Soviet copies with much less safe designs like the above-mentioned plastic cap version abound.[[/note]] |
| 112 | ** Part of the reason the turret revolvers that Ian shows never became as popular as regular revolvers is that they were more potentially dangerous to the user. In a regular revolver, the chambers are all in line with the barrel, and even in the event of a chain fire where more than one chamber goes off at once, they are all pointed away from the shooter. However a turret revolver has chambers radiating from a disc all around like the spokes of a wheel, and at any given time there are loaded chambers ''pointing back at the shooter''. |
| 113 | * HomemadeInventions: Several guns started as these. |
| 114 | ** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIhGCRIQnCA The P.A Luty's Submachine gun falls under this category]]. The weapon was built from parts found at most hardware stores and the instructions to building it were published by its creator, Phillip A. Luty. |
| 115 | ** The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQpMpWYefyw Ljutic rifle]], designed almost offhandedly when designer Al Ljutic was invited to do some shooting with a Winchester representative. |
| 116 | ** {{Downplayed|Trope}} with the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_3AoDf7CeE Owen Gun]]. While the core of it was created by Evelyn Owen in his garage, it was primarily Vincent Wardell and Freddie Kunzler who refined the design for use in the military. |
| 117 | * IKEAWeaponry: While folding guns and takedown guns make appearances, Ian almost always takes the time to show the disassembly procedure of the weapons featured on the show. In his opinion, the best military designs tend to have some combination of few parts and quick disassembly that doesn't require special tools. |
| 118 | * InsaneTrollLogic: The Puckle Gun's idea for having two types of ammunition, a normal ball for shooting Christians and a square-shaped bullet for shooting Turks, comes off as this. Ian barely makes an attempt to explain why that was a feature and simply accepts it with an awkward shrug. |
| 119 | * ItWorksBetterWithBullets: The video on the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDCRop6CRwY L85A1]] goes into detail on all the various problems with the Gulf War-era British Army rifle, like the fact it was easy to accidentally bump the mag release while carrying the weapon and not notice it was no longer loaded. To add insult to injury, changing magazines on the L85 takes a soldier's attention away from any raging battlefield for up to a full minute under stress. Not for nothing did older British Army veterans actually hate the L85. |
| 120 | * KillItWithFire: It's Forgotten ''Weapons'', not Forgotten ''Guns''. This means that flamethrowers are par for the course, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMDJ-I1-o6E much to Ian's delight]]. |
| 121 | * LawOfInverseRecoil: If Ian get a chance to use full-auto firearm, it's likely he will discuss how controllable it is. |
| 122 | ** He found the [=PPSh=]-41 submachine gun to be comfortable in full-auto, due to its hefty weight absorbing much of the recoil and its high rate of fire making the recoil impulse feel like one constant push, which is easier to mitigate than several smaller but distinct pushes. |
| 123 | ** The Ultimax light machine gun, which employs a "constant recoil" principle where the bolt stops without actually impacting the receiver, turned out to be very easy to fire accurately in full-auto, despite its light weight. |
| 124 | ** On the other hand, after getting experience with other full-auto .308 rifles like the G3 and AR-10, Ian figured that the M14 should be much easier to fire than common belief says. Turned out that the rifle kicks around so violently, thanks mostly to its semi-pistol grip stock placing its bore axis well above the contact point with your shoulder, that common belief is right in this case. |
| 125 | ** Ian points out that, due to its standard muzzle brake, the actual recoil impulse of the Soviet AVS-36 rifle is not that hard, though it's still very hard to actually control in full-auto because of how much it vibrates and its recoil impulse being very fast despite its relative softness. |
| 126 | * LoopholeAbuse: As soon as a law restricting certain categories of firearms is implemented, some manufacturer has always tried to get around it while still technically complying with the law: |
| 127 | ** In the United States, flamethrowers are not considered firearms and there are no laws against owning one in 49 of 50 states. |
| 128 | ** The Trejo pistols were made by a small family company in Puebla, Mexico, from the late 1940s until the early 1970s. At that time, fully automatic centerfire arms were banned, but for some reason there was no rule against full-auto rimfire arms, so they manufactured a portion of their .22 caliber model 1 and 2 pistols as select fire so they could be used as machine pistols. Given that the model 1 had an 8-round magazine and the model 2 had an 11-round magazine, this wasn't very practical, but in Ian's view these pistols are great purely for the "giggle factor." |
| 129 | ** In 1994, the ATF classified the "Street Sweeper" shotgun as a destructive device, a category encompassing firearms with a bore of more than half an inch that are determined to have no sporting purpose. Cobray {{retool}}ed the design slightly into a ''[[LoopholeAbuse pistol]]'' chambered for [[{{BFG}} .45-70 Government]] and renamed it the [[IronicName "Ladies Home Companion"]]. |
| 130 | ** A company called Olympic Arms managed to produce folding stock and pistol versions of the AR-15 rifle--which wasn't possible before because of the need for a rear buffer tube that extended into the buttstock--by putting a tube above the barrel instead. Each model was named "OA" for Olympic Arms, followed by the last two digits of the year it was introduced. The pistol version they developed called the OA-93 was itself basically a loophole to get around the restriction on short-barreled rifles, but this was the worst possible timing because the 1994 Assault Weapons ban was passed the next year. This created the prohibited category of "assault pistols", which included pistols with a magazine attaching outside the pistol grip, a threaded barrel, a barrel shroud, or an unloaded weight of 50 oz. (1.4 kg) or more. The OA-93 fell into this category and therefore became illegal to sell. The first workaround that Olympic Arms tried, the OA-96, took advantage of the fact that the law defined an assault pistol as having a detachable magazine. By welding the magazine into the receiver, and designing the gun with a button to hinge open the upper receiver to reload the fixed magazine, they avoided the assault pistol classification altogether and were even able to include features that would normally have been restricted, such as 30-round capacity, barrel shroud, flash hider, and pistol grip. This version was a commercial flop because people didn't want to buy an AR without a detachable magazine, so two years later they introduced the OA-98 to take advantage of the minimum weight specified in the assault pistol definition. For this version they removed the barrel shroud and thread muzzle, and most importantly they "skeletonized the living bejeezus out of it" (in Ian's words) and removed all excess features in order to drastically reduce its weight from 71 to 48 ounces (from 2kg to 1.36kg). Thus, they ended up with a detachable magazine version that did not qualify as an Assault Pistol. |
| 131 | * MoreDakka: See the American 180 .22LR submachine gun under DeathOfAThousandCuts. |
| 132 | * {{MST}}: Ian made a video titled "Slow Motion Malfunctions of Exotic Firearms" where he compiled a grab bag of footage of various forgotten weapons malfunctioning on high-speed camera with running commentary by himself. |
| 133 | * NeverLiveItDown:[[invoked]] Discussed during the Enfield [=L85A1=] video. Ian talks about the numerous problems the L85 had when it first came out and how much work went into having to fix each problem. He says that no matter how good the rifle actually is nowadays, it will forever be known as a horrible weapon. He also talks about how the M16's reputation still suffers decades later from its disastrous start, and it had far fewer problems to fix. |
| 134 | * NeverNeedsSharpening: Discussed in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qaTRwq-IRc a video about one of his custom guns]], a short-barreled M1 Garand modified to fit a "scout rifle" profile. Short-barreled Garands were advertised for some time after the war as a tank crewmate's weapon, but they were never actually used in this purpose, as M3 submachine guns offered lower weight and smaller size for easier carry within the confines of a tank - a "tanker" Garand in non-military circulation would just be a surplus rifle with a worn-out muzzle a company fixed by chopping half a foot off of the barrel and then advertised as a rare and obscure variant to sell them for more than they were really worth while also distracting from what else they had to do to get it to sellable condition (since most of these also had receivers that were welded back together after being cut in half to demilitarize them). |
| 135 | * NoProductSafetyStandards: Defied, as Ian shows the viewer each and every proof mark, especially on European guns. He also discussed extensively the concept when it comes to "mystery pistols" that were hand-made in [[UsefulNotes/NoMoreEmperors China during the warlord era]] and eventually wrote a book on that very subject. |
| 136 | * NotWithTheSafetyOnYouWont: While [[https://youtu.be/SMEawx7TlNQ?t=363 testing the Croatian VHS-2 rifle]]: |
| 137 | -->'''Ian:''' What could possibly go wrong firing a rifle grenade in an indoor range? ''(pulls trigger, nothing happens)'' Other than having the safety on. |
| 138 | * NoOSHACompliance: Occasionally weapons that Ian covers will have some form of a flagrant safety issue, which Ian normally points out. |
| 139 | ** The RPG-7 rocket has no time fuse and detonates via a sensitive small impact detonator in the tip of the warhead. While said detonator is normally covered with a safety cap, some users remove it as soon as they go into action, which opens the possibility of accidentally bumping the warhead into something while carrying it and blowing its user up. |
| 140 | --->'''Ian:''' I have one guy tell me he watched an insurgent in Iraq had taken the cap off and he was running across a street with a loaded RPG, tripped, fell headfirst and slid into a curb, the end of the rocket hit the side of the curb and Kablooey, that was it for the guy - [[LampshadeHanging So these are not OSHA-approved weapons]], this can very easily kill you if you don't know how to handle it. |
| 141 | * OOCIsSeriousBusiness: Ian is very rarely overtly critical of a gun design and often explains why manufacturers thought there would be a need for even the most impracticable designs. If he starts getting mad, you know he's presenting a piece of crap. Heck, he doesn't even need to get mad; most of the time he'll find ''something'' positive about a gun he is reviewing, no matter how bad it is. When he isn't even able to find a ''single thing'' positive about a gun in his videos, you know for a fact that what he has is a '''bad fucking gun.''' |
| 142 | ** Case in point: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9bULArrKs4&t=102s&ab_channel=ForgottenWeapons his video on the USFA Zip 22]]. The gun was the brain(dead)child of the company's owner, and Ian straight up says that it's quite possibly the worst gun ever made and that the owner's expectations for how popular it was gonna be were, quote, "completely divorced from reality." [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3fd4goVs-4 The following video]] showing Ian firing it at the range shows [[NotHyperbole that, if anything, he was UNDERSTATING how bad it is]] - to give an idea, the one time he says anything positive about it (that it gave "remarkably good performance", at least for the first magazine) he immediately has to cut to a text screen explaining that when they came back the next day to get slow-motion footage, it jammed on '''every single shot''', lovingly demonstrated all throughout the rest of the video with slow-motion shots of the gun doing just about everything ''except'' properly ejecting the fired casing and cycling correctly. There's also the fact that the first day of shooting, where the Zip at least sort of functioned, had to be called off because the gun jammed up on itself so horrifically that they were completely unable to get it working again except by completely dis- and reassembling it. Even the text description of the video underneath the title is snarky about it. |
| 143 | --->'''Video description:''' Today, may the good lord help me, I am taking the Zip 22 out to the range for some shooting. |
| 144 | * PoliticalOvercorrectness: |
| 145 | ** Discussed in regards to censoring controversial symbols from educational material. He includes flags denoting country and era of origin in all his thumbnails, and [=Youtube=] complained about the Nazi flag on some of his thumbnails for WWII-era German guns. He now censors the Swastika on the thumbnails as sort of a mini-protest. In a moment of GenreSavvy, he avoids the flag usually called a Confederate flag for videos on CSA guns by using a first-iteration Confederate state flag for all his videos on Confederate American Civil War artifacts. The flag most often called a Confederate flag, with the blue saltire on a red field, was actually used only in battle, sort of like how the Japanese Empire flew a flag with stripes radiating from the sun in battle but a flag with only a red circle in civilian use. The actual Confederate flag, at least at the beginning of the war, was very similar to a US flag[[note]]This is precisely why a separate battle flag, the "Confederate flag" that's famous today, was created. Flag-bearers were an important part of both unit cohesion and differentiating friend from foe on the pre-radio battlefield, and as such a flag that's easily mistaken for that of your enemy is a liability.[[/note]], but with 13 stars in a circle and three stripes, two red and one white. |
| 146 | ** Recent videos on obscure gun-smith projects had to be arranged to avoid [=YouTube=] backlash against gun-modification content. How does Ian get around the irrational fear that he's teaching home-grown terrorists how to make semi-automatic rifles into machine guns? He presents a customized Hakim rifle as a [[https://www.forgottenweapons.com/elbonian-prototype-hakim-lmg failed experimental product of the Elbonian Army]]. Elbonia is a [[{{Ruritania}} tiny fictional European nation]] from ''ComicStrip/{{Dilbert}}'' and became a running gag in the channel after being brought up in a Q&A session. Even sillier, here's another [[https://www.forgottenweapons.com/elbonian-m52-57-61-paratrooper-carbine "Elbonian" gun]]! |
| 147 | ** More recent, and far less comical, was Headstamp Publishing's recent outing into modern war memoirs. Ian was very interested in publishing an account of a modern "near-peer" conflict, and thought he had struck gold with the memoirs of Carolus Lööfroos (aka Carolus Andersson), a Fenno-Swedish volunteer who fought in Ukraine. A cursory Google search will reveal that Lööfroos is an active and committed neo-nazi. Ian did not understand why anyone would consider this a problem, but retracted the publishing announcement with an apology after the crowdfunding site took down the campaign for violating the site's terms of service. |
| 148 | * TheQuisling: The topic of one unusual "what would you pick in [X] year" question in a Q&A video, where the scenario is "You are the defense minister of a newly independent nation, tasked with equipping the military. But, you are a traitor intent on sabotaging the military", requiring him to pick terrible guns and come up with a passable explanation to give a civilian government panel. A follow-up video has him fix those same choices, with the caveat being the government can't afford to just scrap everything and buy new, so the challenge is to make the best of what it has. |
| 149 | * ReliablyUnreliableGuns: A frequent point of Ian's criticism and quite often the reason a weapon became "forgotten" in the first place. Occasionally demonstrated when Ian is able to fire an example, some being so bad that he can't even reliably fire a full magazine. |
| 150 | ** The Canadian Ross rifle is a particularly notorious example of an unreliable gun: in its original configuration, it was easily possible, after field-stripping it for cleaning, to put the bolt in rotated 180° from its correct orientation--it fit just as well either way, and would appear to function correctly. The gun would chamber a round, but the bolt wouldn't lock, and [[BackwardsFiringGun pulling the trigger would send it flying back in the shooter's face]]. |
| 151 | ** Chinese Mystery Pistols and other craft-produced weapons are presumed to be dangerously unreliable and therefore Ian has never tried firing one. |
| 152 | ** The infamously unreliable plastic-bodied Zip-22 pistol surprisingly managed to get through a magazine with only one malfunction... and then not only jammed several other times, but eventually jammed so badly that Ian had to ''completely disassemble'' it to get it to start working again. Even he has no idea how it happened, and immediately after praising it for surprisingly-reliable performance with that first magazine the video cut to text saying that the gun jammed on ''every'' shot when he came back the next day to get slow-motion footage, demonstrated with every slow-motion insert featuring the gun failing to eject, double-feeding, or otherwise locking up on nothing. Ian considers it the worst gun ever made, and it's hard to disagree. Particularly since the ZIP-22 [[CreatorKiller drove the U.S. Fire Arms Manufacturing Company out of business]], a company that was previously famous for high-quality replicas of the Single Action Army and other 19th century Colt firearms. |
| 153 | ** Defied with the notorious [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauchat Chauchat]] automatic rifle, which is often derided as one of the least reliable firearms in history. Ian is a staunch defender of the French-issued version of the weapon and, when using clean ammunition, was able to demonstrate its reliability on a live firing example. While the Chauchat had some clear shortcomings[[note]]The 8mm Lebel cartridge it was chambered for was a poor choice for automatic weapons (being both rimmed and having a fat case with extreme taper) and was used out of wartime necessity, since it was already France's standard-issue rifle round, requiring an unusual half-circle magazine design. The magazine also had large openings on the right side that allowed dirt and mud to get inside, as its pre-war design didn't anticipate the conditions of trench warfare. Nearly all jams of the French 8mm Lebel version were a result of the magazine. And the long recoil mechanism is much less efficient than later machine guns' and automatic rifles' use of gas pistons or direct impingement, resulting in a bulkier weapon.[[/note]], it was also in many respects far ahead of its time, being a select-fire weapon with a pistol grip, detachable magazine, an in-line stock and even a second forward pistol grip to aid in controlling it during full-auto fire, all features that would become standard for select-fire rifles decades later. |
| 154 | ** Played straight with the American version of the Chauchat, which was a poorly done redesign of the weapon to make it fire .30-06. It's completely responsible for the original's bad reputation, even though both were manufactured mostly by the same ''bicycle company'', Gladiator. |
| 155 | ** Behold: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nQzFGe1yMk the worst AK]] Ian has ever seen. An AKS-74U Krinkov that appears to have been cobbled together from a parts kit and various bits handmade by someone with a Dremel and no clue what they were doing. The gas block assembly flying downrange the first time someone tried firing it is merely the ''start'' of the gun's problems - in fact, Ian is probably extremely lucky that that's ''all'' that fell off. It is such a terrible example of gunsmithing that Ian sounds legitimately ''angry'' that someone would do this to a perfectly good gun design. This weapon was later brought to the attention of fellow [=YouTuber=] and AK specialist Brandon Herrera, who eventually got around to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t9VbPwN-IM restoring the weapon into serviceable order]]. |
| 156 | ** The unfairly infamous Nambu Type 94 pistol slightly subverts the trope, as Ian proves that in order for the gun to go off without you pulling the actual trigger, [[https://www.forgottenweapons.com/the-truth-about-the-type-94-nambu-surrender-pistol you'd have to literally mash the exposed trigger sear]] with the safety turned off. |
| 157 | ** Ian attempts to run a Backup Gun Match with a Taurus Curve, a subcompact .380 pistol with a contoured frame that's supposed to reduce printing when concealed carrying. The Curve sets the tone by failing to fire on the very first shot, regularly has to be smacked on the back of its slide to be forced into battery, and malfunctions regularly throughout the match, often failing to fire an entire half of a magazine. Additionally, the integrated laser is virtually invisible in daylight and not actually zeroed to its point of aim and the backup sight (a white cross on the back of the slide) is difficult to use. It's so bad that on the last round, Ian just throws away the gun because he doesn't think he can get 8 successful shots, much less hits, out of 12 shots. After Ian throws the gun away, he says "Yeet me" to request to borrow a friend's Hi-Point C-9 Yeet Cannon G1, which runs flawlessly despite Hi-Point's own poor reputation and posts his only positive score of the match with it. |
| 158 | ** Another standout is the above-mentioned Cobray Terminator, an extremely odd sort of shotgun designed with a moving barrel that locks a shotgun shell into the breech and then fires it by slamming the barrel backwards to smack the shell into a stationary firing pin. Ian was only able to get it fire about half the time, with the gun apparently working or not depending on the individual shotgun shell - one would fire the first time, then the next would simply refuse no matter how many times he tried until he pulled it out and put in a new one which would also fire just fine - and even when it did fire correctly, it was genuinely painful on him because of the recoil combined with the barrel itself slamming backwards. |
| 159 | ** The Calico M100 submachine gun has a reputation for being unreliable due to magazine feeding issues. The magazine itself is a helical magazine, and with something as complex as a tube with cogs, springs, and whatnot feeding rounds in a manner fast enough for submachine gun use, you might think the same way. But he's already [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqhLfEmNuEA dumped]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pu1M6ZffiM four]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72yM_wrcb1k full]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB-53jXwz6Y magazines]] (of 100 rounds each) worth with a failure rate of practically 0%, granted in semi-auto but still fairly fast. He attributes magazine feeding problems to people not winding up the spring in the magazine either properly or at all. The gun did later start to have issues, though it's possible they're with the firing pin and not the magazines. |
| 160 | ** H&K's G41 proves to have some surprising reliability problems when [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-IkS0_XxqQ Ian takes one out to the range]], suffering two stovepipe jams in one magazine when firing in burst-fire mode, another jam where the neck of a fired case got caught between the bolt assembly and the charging handle extension, and then a fourth one shortly after that. |
| 161 | ** [=InRange=] has [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLj9u4Ts2NpEv4Fnwx2_ig4wVqiONfH1me a series]] wherein they test how well various weapons handle being dunked in a concoction of thick, soupy mud, several weapons of which showed surprising results. The most common factor in how well a gun handles the test is in how many exposed holes there are in the receiver to let mud into the internal working parts - for instance, despite its infamy for being immune to harsh conditions, the AK jammed up because those large holes and loose tolerances, while phenomenal for letting the gun continue functioning with grease and gunpowder residue by just pushing it out of the way, also allow mud to get in and completely block the moving parts, while the AR-15 handled the mud much better due to its completely closed system, complete with vent holes in the side of the bolt carrier which actually force mud off of it with every shot. Operating principle, specifically how violently it cycles, also plays a big role: famously-soft-shooting short-stroke gas pistons like on the FAL and AUG, once mud got in through the large ejection port and the sand cuts in the former's bolt carrier, were completely incapable of overcoming the mud contamination, both guns jamming after a very small handful shots before they failed (the FAL refusing to go into battery with a magazine inserted, the AUG failing to eject, and both ended up ''completely'' locking up) and even piston guns with AR-15-style dust covers eventually failed (the MCX SPEAR and VHS-2 both performed flawlessly when mudded up with their dust covers closed, but as soon as mud was dumped on them with the covers open they started failing, the MCX jamming on every shot and the VHS-2 only getting through a few more rounds before failing to pick up new rounds from the magazine and then having its trigger go dead), while infamously-violent roller-delayed blowbacks, at worst, were able to keep going (the G3, though needing to be manually cycled by mortaring it against the ground, still consistently went into battery and fired, and even went back to working properly once the mud dried) and at best were all but immune to the mud (the CETME Model L ran flawlessly when just having mud dumped on it, and even pouring mud directly into the path of the charging handle and then manually cycling it only caused a failure to go into battery on one attempt before the next fixed it). The same applies to pistols, where closed-in systems generally perform better based on the speed it cycles at or the simplicity of its design and how many places mud can get into and interfere with its operation - the sealed toggle-lock of the Luger passed with flying colors because its system requires high-pressure ammo to function, while the also-sealed, striker-fired Glock refused to go into battery after one shot, less than the hammer-fired 1911 (which jammed after three shots on the first mag, then got through the second only needing to manually recock the hammer for two of them) but still more than the also-hammer-fired FK BRNO (which failed to even fire once). And similar to the rifles, a Hi-Point pistol, which uses a rather violent straight-blowback action (which has the added bonus of not actually having a locking surface to get gunked up, as Karl assumes was what killed the Glock in its test) was able to return to full operational condition with only some water to rinse off the mud. |
| 162 | * RightHandedLeftHandedGuns: Ian himself is a left-handed shooter, which sometimes leads to awkward moments either disassembling or testing a weapon. Semi-automatic rifles and assault rifles in particular are rarely ambidextrous and often awkward at best for shooting left-handed. Amusingly, this worked out (for [[ReliablyUnreliableGuns a given value of working]]) when he tried to shoot the USFA [=ZiP=] .22, since the placement of its ejection port would result in hot brass brushing directly over, if not being thrown straight at, his trigger finger if he tried to fire it from the right. |
| 163 | * RunAndGun: The Two-Gun Action Challenge that Ian began to attend in more recent years is a RealLife example of this. The competition format combines physical feats with precision shooting to simulate how weapons perform in a combative environment. These videos later formed the core of Ian's {{Spinoff}} series [=InRange=] TV. |
| 164 | * SarcasmMode: Ian's take on the Bren Ten, "the most tactical pistol of all time". He's barely holding himself from bursting into laughter about how ridiculous the whole "tactical" aspect of the gun is, along with the kind of people who could ever appreciate those features. |
| 165 | * ScrewedByTheLawyers: {{Discussed|Trope}} as being the cause behind the unfortunate fate of the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn08yZAC2V0 Armatix iP1]]. A law had been passed in New Jersey in 2002 where, in order to increase gun safety when it comes to children, any weapons that will be sold in New Jersey must be considered a "smart gun," and the instant said gun reached the market, ordinary guns would not be allowed to be legally sold. On top of issues with the idea of putting computers and electronics in guns with simple mechanics, this resulted in a widespread backlash against the pistol as it was about to be launched in the United States. This even led to gun shop owners in New Jersey being sent ''death threats'' simply for even considering selling the pistol. As a result, the pistol was a commercial flop in the U.S. The worst part about all of this, however, is that after investigation and consideration by the NJ government, ''[[ShootTheShaggyDog the pistol wasn't even eligible for the "smart gun" classification in the first place.]]''[[note]]How the pistol works is that it comes with a watch that is electronically connected to the pistol, and, if in range, allows the pistol to fire where it won't otherwise, theoretically preventing the gun from being stolen or handled by a child and resulting in injury or death. However, [[DidntThinkThisThrough that does not stop someone from taking the gun and shooting someone wearing the watch in its range.]][[/note]] |
| 166 | * ScyllaAndCharybdis: Does Ian purchase an exceedingly rare .30-06 Chauchat rifle that will [[SoBadItsGood please the internet]], or does he purchase an FM 24/29 Chatellerault light machine gun selling at half its typical price? [[spoiler:He picks the Chauchat.]] |
| 167 | * ShoddyKnockoffProduct: |
| 168 | ** Ian has a soft spot for "[[http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/weapons-and-markets/producers/craft-production.html craft-produced]]" weapons such as the "Chinese Mystery Pistols," copies of western designs by Chinese workshops that usually had no knowledge of what all the parts actually did. Often the shops would make components (like adjustable sights or safeties) that looked the same as the original, yet lacked any functionality. He ultimately wrote a book dedicated to the subject. |
| 169 | ** The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KunQNYDsNEs Armitage International Skorpion Scarab]] is a glaring example of this, copying the look and name of the military issue [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0korpion CZ Škorpion]] machine pistol without the build quality or positive design features. At best, it was consistent in firing off three rounds properly, failing to eject after the third, and then failing to properly chamber the next one before it would work for three shots again. The ultimate fail was when the gun couldn't even be made to work in a simulated drive by shooting, as Ian suspected that gangs were the gun's only possible market. |
| 170 | ** On one occasion, he gets his hands on a Martini-Henry pistol made in Khyber Pass, obviously a forgery and probably made for sale as a souvenir to coalitions soldiers or foreign tourists. To give you an idea of how sketchy it is, the mark on the left side is stamped on ''backwards''. Ian doesn't recommend trying to fire it. |
| 171 | ** Often averted with Spanish copies of various other nations' pistols (see AKA47 above), which tend to range in quality from [[NotSoCheapImitation "decent" to "better than the original"]]. An example Ian showcased of the latter was the Beistigui Hermanos [=MM31=], a machine pistol based on the C96 Mauser for export to China, which looks just like a Mauser but is internally significantly improved. Despite their gun actually being better than Mauser's famous Schnellfeuer, Beistigui Hermanos often used logos designed to look like a Mauser logo (especially to Chinese buyers who usually couldn't read the Latin alphabet) because that logo was so famous in China. |
| 172 | ** The [[https://youtu.be/li9WbNKCwZM Rogak P18]] was a counterfeit production pistol of the Steyr GB line of pistols (though it's unclear if Rogak actually obtained the licensing rights in America or outright stole blueprints from Steyr). Meant as a cheaper alternative to the GB, the pistols were subtly but [[DeadpanSnarker very much criticized]] by gun magazines at the time. As Ian demonstrates in the disassembly, it's because [[EpicFail the P18 was horrifically and amateurishly welded and machined]]. |
| 173 | * SkewedPriorities: In discussing the [=EtronX=] and other electronically-fired weapons, Ian notes that survivalist types would inevitably bring up that an EMP would disable such things compared to purely mechanical firearms. Ian counters that A) why would someone be using such an expensive [=EtronX=] as their only survival weapon, B) the [=EtronX=] was hardened against normal field abuse, and C) an EMP means nuclear war, and at that point you have more important things to worry about. |
| 174 | * SniperRifle: Modifying a standard service weapon for sniping is never as straightforward as one might think. Also, Ian goes to great lengths to distinguish true "sniper" rifles from the tactically more common "designated marksman rifles" (such as the Dragunov[[note]]While designated a "sniper" weapon by the USSR, Red Army doctrine at the time considered "snipers" to be what the West would call designated marksmen: a man with a rifle more accurate than the standard infantry rifle, serving within an infantry squad for mid to long range supporting fire.[[/note]]), or less precise "anti-materiel rifles" (such as the Barret M82 in .50 BMG). |
| 175 | * TheStinger: Several videos have small scenes following the ending title card, usually of Ian making a pop culture reference, like in his S&W Model 29 episode, referencing ''Film/DirtyHarry''. |
| 176 | * {{Steampunk}}: Ian references the genre by name while touring the steam/hydraulically articulated Armstrong 100 ton cannon. He then remarks that, to the people of the time, the idea of moving a giant cannon only with levers would have been sci-fi. |
| 177 | * SwissArmyGun: |
| 178 | ** The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLDw6i1D52U Galil]], which sports a built in bottle opener in its fore-stock. |
| 179 | ** The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1TwTXkBnUY Parisian Needlefire Knife-Pistol Combination]] is a single shot miniaturized version of the Chassepot[[note]]pronounced ''shas-poh''[[/note]] that features both a knife and corkscrew. |
| 180 | ** The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf6XALbTnik Austen Mk I SMG]] contained a screwdriver built into its folding stock. |
| 181 | ** The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5NK0M6HE3Y Crossfire MkI combination weapon]] is both a 5.56 rifle and 12 gauge shotgun with the two barrels sharing a single pump action mechanism. Turned out to be very awkward to use[[note]]the overall length makes it incredibly difficult to push the pump forward enough to lock, and the mag tube for the shotgun has to be removed to load shells into it[[/note]] and unreliable, not to mention a high MSRP. |
| 182 | * SwissArmyWeapon: The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp0FFPyEN1k Trowel Bayonet]], which, in addition to being a [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice terrifying stabbing tool]], was also intended to dig small, temporary pits, with both the pit and dirt used to provide around 2 feet of cover. |
| 183 | ** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JkechF3OFU The American Krag-Jorgensen Bowie bayonet]] was also designed to be both a weapon and digging tool, unfortunately it proved to be terrible at both jobs. |
| 184 | ** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyrE3FSU01w This odd double barreled pistol knife]] is perhaps the only knife-gun that Ian actually likes, since, apart from some safety issues, it's actually a practical take on the concept. Someone pointed out to Ian that it could be a Norwegian postal worker's sidearm[[note]]yes, Norwegian postal workers used to be armed, apparently they were common targets for bandits and related ne'er-do-wells, and as a result, the government started issuing them with weapons and armed escorts, [[GrimUpNorth because Norway was that hardcore back in the day.]][[/note]]. One commenter on [=YouTube=] pointed out that it could be used as a letter opener. |
| 185 | * TakeThat: |
| 186 | ** Remember the Street Sweeper shotgun that the Federal Government put on its naughty list for being marketed to urban youth in the [[TemptingFate middle of a murder epidemic]]? Cobray [[ReTool retooled]] the design slightly into a ''[[LoopholeAbuse pistol]]'' chambered for [[{{BFG}} .45-70 Government]] and renamed it the [[IronicName "Ladies Home Companion"]]. |
| 187 | ** Ian points out that the specific China Lake specimen he demonstrated had one of the cam lugs of its locking block sheared off by the cast of ''Series/SonsOfGuns''. The disdain in his voice when he mentioned them is noticeable, if subtle. |
| 188 | * ThisIsGonnaSuck: If the video of him taking the Taurus Curve to a backup gun match being titled "My Worst Backup Gun Match Yet!" didn't give away that his attempt to use it will be a nightmare, he starts the video on a high note by telling a story about how it came with a nifty little neck holster with an included battery and magnet, which is supposed to automatically activate the Curve's built-in LaserSight when it's drawn from that holster - and how a part broke and the magnet that actually holds the Curve in the holster fell out the first time he drew the Curve from it. |
| 189 | * ThrowAwayGuns: |
| 190 | ** In a comedy sketch, Ian tries to perform a drive-by with an Armitage International Skorpion on [[ActingForTwo himself as]] a [[WhiteGangBangers gangbanger]], who ends up just throwing his Jennings 9 pistol after he is unable to get it to function. |
| 191 | ** When attempting to run a Backup Gun Match with a Taurus Curve (as mentioned above), Ian gets fed up with its repeated malfunctions and useless sights and throws it away in the last round and uses a friend's Hi-Point Yeet Cannon instead. Despite Hi-Point's own reputation for poor-quality virtually-disposable firearms, it runs flawlessly, driving home how bad the Curve was. |
| 192 | * UniversalAmmunition: The selling point of the Phillips & Rodgers M47 Medusa is that it can chamber basically any cartridge whose overall length and bullet diameter is equal to or smaller than that of a .357 Magnum (9x33mm). While this is a pretty neat gimmick, Ian thinks the post-apocalyptic scenario in which you would supposedly need one gun to fire several different types of ammo isn't very realistic, and says it's no wonder that too few were sold to keep the company afloat. |
| 193 | * UrbanLegends: Whenever particular gun has a specific "reputation", Ian takes a look at it and either tries to explain the reason for the myth to rise in the first place or debunks it entirely when it's just a tall story. On top of that, handful of his crossover videos are usually dedicated entirely to the subject debunking or at least commenting on specific urban legends regarding guns and/or marksmanship. |
| 194 | * VerbalTic: |
| 195 | ** This wiki cannot recommend that you base a drinking game on the number of times that Ian says "cool." |
| 196 | ** "And presto!" is equally overused whenever any kind of alteration is done to or with a gun. |
| 197 | * VideoReviewShow: While the show isn't about reviewing forgotten weapons per se, Ian frequently comments on the practical features of the weapons and how they would hold up in a combative environment. |
| 198 | * WallOfWeapons: Several can be found in his videos, usually located in museums and auction houses he's visiting. Ian also owns a pretty impressive wall of weapons himself which he showcases in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOnH_deRTHw this video]]. |
| 199 | * WarIsHell: One of the weapons on Ian's wall is a war-trophy Japanese Arisaka rifle with a charred and scorched stock; the soldier carrying it perished in a flamethrower attack. He keeps it around as a reminder of the human cost of war. |
| 200 | * WeaponsUnderstudies: |
| 201 | ** [[https://youtu.be/j0lOyjZ8Gew The Flintlock Trapdoor Springfield]]. A "Trapdoor Springfield" rifle (an early cartridge rifle) cosmetically modified to look close enough to a flintlock rifle when seen in the background of a movie scene. |
| 202 | ** [[https://youtu.be/uqjBP6nm2o0 The L119A1]] he reviews is an interesting variation. Almost all of the parts are real [=L119A1=] parts, ''except'' for the reciever. The upper is one that has been modified using various [=L119A1=] parts until it was virtually identical to an actual [=L119A1=] upper, and the lower is a semi-auto only clone that the owner put [=L119A1=] markings on, as the actual [=L119A1=] lower receivers have never been available on the civilian market. |
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