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| 3 | [[folder: Pre-Release Theories]] |
| 4 | [[WMG: Kingpin will be the GreaterScopeVillain]] |
| 5 | * No offense to Kingpin, but he's a human crime boss. Why would a superhuman being from another dimension be either less of a direct, immediate threat and/or subservient to ''him'' and not someone like his father, Solus? |
| 6 | ** Seems like he will actually be the BigBad and the Inheritors are actually AdaptedOut. |
| 7 | *** Confirmed to be the case. |
| 8 | |
| 9 | [[WMG: There will be a FiveManBand of Web Warriors consisting of]] |
| 10 | * TheLeader: Peter Parker/Spider-Man I |
| 11 | * TheLancer: Miles Morales/Spider-Man II |
| 12 | * TheBigGuy: Miguel O’Hara/Spider-Man 2099 |
| 13 | * PluckyComicRelief: Peter Porker/Spider-Ham |
| 14 | * TheHeart: Gwen Stacy/Spider-Gwen/Spider-Woman |
| 15 | * Other possible Web Warriors could be: |
| 16 | ** Spider-UK |
| 17 | ** SP//dr |
| 18 | ** Spider-Man Noir |
| 19 | *** SP//dr and Spider-Man Noir are confirmed to be in the film. |
| 20 | *** Miguel O’Hara isn't in the movie. [[spoiler: Except for the post-credits Stinger]]. |
| 21 | |
| 22 | [[WMG: Miles's universe does have a version of the Avengers/Ultimates.]] |
| 23 | They could use it as a joke when Peter is describing the threat they're facing and Miles simply says, "Why don't we just call the Avengers/Ultimates?" |
| 24 | |
| 25 | [[WMG: If this universe does have a version of the Avengers/Ultimates, it will consist of [[LegacyCharacter legacy characters]].]] |
| 26 | Thor will be [[ComicBook/Thor2014 Jane Foster]], Captain America will be [[ComicBook/SpiderGwen Samantha Wilson]], Iron Man will be [[ComicBook/{{Ironheart}} Riri Williams]], the Hulk will be [[ComicBook/TotallyAwesomeHulk Amadeus Cho]], Hawkeye will be [[Characters/MarvelComicsKateBishop Kate Bishop]], Captain/Ms Marvel will be [[Characters/MarvelComicsKamalaKhan Kamala Khan]], and the Sorcerer Supreme will be Jericho Drumm. |
| 27 | * None show up. |
| 28 | |
| 29 | [[WMG: The Prowler is in league with Morlun.]] |
| 30 | And it's through Miles that he switches sides (or, more in tune with Aaron Davis, stays an asshole). |
| 31 | ** Jossed. Morlun is nowhere to be found [[spoiler: and Aaron is killed by Kingpin after Aaron discovers Miles' secret and refuses to kill him]]. |
| 32 | |
| 33 | [[WMG: Miles's mom is already [[spoiler:dead in this universe.]] ]] |
| 34 | Whether it's because of Venom or not will be seen. |
| 35 | ** Jossed. It was confirmed she would be in the film and we hear her in the newest trailer. |
| 36 | |
| 37 | [[WMG: If this movie does well, it will inspire more big-budget Marvel-animated movies]] |
| 38 | Maybe Fox and Blue Sky could make an X-Men movie or Disney make more movies based on Marvel properties like they did with ''WesternAnimation/BigHero6'' |
| 39 | * Perhaps these could be more films done by Sony Pictures Animation, detailing several of the different Spider-Man related characters and also the spider-people of other worlds, possibly even including a brand new character created for another film. They can all tie back to this one. |
| 40 | * Sony confirmed they are considering / developing a direct sequel and spin-offs including Spider-Gwen. |
| 41 | |
| 42 | [[WMG: This will be the first PG-13 mainstream animated film in the market.]] |
| 43 | It could be an easy way to break the AnimationAgeGhetto, generate a ton of positive publicity for the movie, and establish it as a superhero movie first and an animated movie second. |
| 44 | * I doubt it. Given that it's released under the main Sony Animation label, it'll be given a PG rating, like most Sony Animation movies. |
| 45 | ** Perhaps it will be a CreatorsOddball if it does get rated PG-13. |
| 46 | * PG-13 or not, the teaser trailer definitely puts more emphasis on action than on comedy, which is ''very rare'' for an animated movie.It actually feels like the trailer for a live-action superhero movie. |
| 47 | * Jossed: A recent trailer unsurprisingly revealed that it's rated PG. |
| 48 | ** However, unlike other PG rated animated films, it stretches its rating [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids quite a lot]], so it comes quite close to a PG-13 film. |
| 49 | |
| 50 | [[WMG: The movie will HandWave why the MCU Spider-Man isn't present.]] |
| 51 | The most likely assumption is that it'll be concurrent (albeit across the multiverse) with ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'', with MCU Peter Parker having to face a much bigger crisis in his homeworld. |
| 52 | * Jossed. He's not mentioned at all, and [[spoiler: as of ''Infinity War'' he's currently facing the crisis of being dead.]] |
| 53 | |
| 54 | [[WMG: The movie will justify the existence of the ''Film/{{Venom|2018}}'' movie provided that it doesn't take place in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse.]] |
| 55 | ''Into the Spider-Verse'' will clearly establish ''Venom'' as taking place in yet another AlternateContinuity that exists alongside, but is separate from, the MCU. |
| 56 | * Jossed. Venom doesn't get a look in. |
| 57 | |
| 58 | [[WMG: Casting for Peter Parker]] |
| 59 | * Creator/AndrewGarfield |
| 60 | * Creator/TobeyMaguire |
| 61 | * Creator/TomHolland |
| 62 | * Creator/DrakeBell |
| 63 | * Creator/JoshKeaton |
| 64 | * Creator/NeilPatrickHarris |
| 65 | * Creator/ChristopherDanielBarnes |
| 66 | * Creator/RobbieDaymond |
| 67 | * Creator/BenjaminDiskin |
| 68 | * [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManAndHisAmazingFriends Dan Gilvezan]] |
| 69 | * Creator/RinoRomano |
| 70 | * [[OverlyLongGag Zendaya]] |
| 71 | * All of the above in cameo roles seeing that this is ''Spider-Verse''. |
| 72 | * Alternatively, there won't be an actor voicing Peter at all. The guy Miles is talking to isn't really confirmed, so it could be someone else. |
| 73 | * None of the above -- it's Creator/JohnKrasinski. |
| 74 | ** All of the above, including Krasinski, are Jossed. It's been confirmed to be Jake Johnson, better known Nick from Series/NewGirl. [[spoiler:Also, Chris Pine voices the Peter from Miles's universe.]] |
| 75 | |
| 76 | [[WMG: There will be a few jabs at the MCU]] |
| 77 | It's a Phil Lord/Christopher Miller movie after all. |
| 78 | * Jossed. The film focuses on other parts of Marvel lore, with particular attention given to the Raimi films. |
| 79 | |
| 80 | [[WMG: Morlun's family won't appear.]] |
| 81 | Instead, anyone who helps him hunt various Spider-People is simply a hired goon or alternate versions of himself. |
| 82 | * Sort of confirmed: Morlun's family doesn't appear, but that's because Morlun himself is completely absent. |
| 83 | |
| 84 | [[WMG: Possible Alternate-Universe Spider-People]] |
| 85 | * [[ComicBook/SpiderWoman Jessica Drew]] |
| 86 | * [[ComicBook/SpiderGirl Anya Corazon]] |
| 87 | * [[ComicBook/{{Silk}} Cindy Moon]] |
| 88 | * An alternate-universe version of Miles |
| 89 | * [[ComicBook/SpiderGwen Gwen Stacy]] |
| 90 | ** Confirmed. |
| 91 | * [[ComicBook/SpiderMan2099 Miguel O'Hara]] |
| 92 | ** [[spoiler: Confirmed.]] |
| 93 | * [[ComicBook/MarvelZombies Zombie!Spider-Man]] |
| 94 | * Peter Porker or Miles Morhames (Spider-Ham) |
| 95 | ** Spider-Ham was confirmed. |
| 96 | * ComicBook/SpiderManNoir |
| 97 | ** Seemingly confirmed for Noir, with ''Creator/NicolasCage'' of all actors playing him, [[http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/07/03/spider-man-into-the-verse-nicolas-cage-noir-cast/ if this report is to be believed]]. [[MemeticMutation OH GOD]], [[Film/TheWickerMan2006 NOT THE SPIDERS!]] |
| 98 | * Spider-Man India |
| 99 | * [[OverlyLongGag Zendaya]] |
| 100 | ** [[BigShutUp SHUT UP!!!]]...Actually, knowing Lord & Miller, they could make this an AscendedMeme. |
| 101 | * Flash Thompson as Captain Spider |
| 102 | * Patton Parnel as a TokenEvilTeammate |
| 103 | * Peni Parker aka SP//dr has been confirmed. |
| 104 | |
| 105 | [[WMG: Miles doesn't have an alternate-universe counterpart or another version of himself on another world]] |
| 106 | The fact that he is the only version of him in the multiverse would make him special to Morlun. |
| 107 | * Jossed, since the rule with Marvel is that ''all'' of their various works are set on a world in the Marvel multiverse, and Miles has his original Ultimate Comics version, but has appeared in two different cartoon series, several video games, and has even been revealed to have a counterpart in the main Marvel continuity, Earth-616, and the [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse MCU]]. The Miles in this is one of many. |
| 108 | |
| 109 | [[WMG: The Spider-Men of ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheNewAnimatedSeries'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' will appear]] |
| 110 | The movie is an adaptation of ''ComicBook/SpiderVerse'', and these two incarnations of the web-slinger were among the incarnations of Spider-Man [[ExiledFromContinuity not allowed to appear in the crossover event because of licensing issues]]. Since Sony is making this movie and owns the rights to those versions of Spidey, they could use the movie as an opportunity to resolve their storylines, or at least appease the fans with short cameos assuring us that ''New Animated Series'' Spidey went back to fighting crime and that ''Spectacular'' Spidey eventually saw to it that Norman Osborn got his comeuppance. |
| 111 | * [[spoiler:Jossed; neither appear.]] |
| 112 | |
| 113 | [[WMG: If Superior Spider Man will appear, there will be a moment where his own team of Spiders rebel...]] |
| 114 | ...and he and Peter fight, but Otto almost ends up winning and almost kills Peter, but Miles gets motivated and saves him because he does not want another Peter Parker to die. |
| 115 | * [[spoiler:Jossed; no Superior Spidey this time.]] |
| 116 | |
| 117 | [[WMG: There will be a TakeThat aimed at Disney]] |
| 118 | Specifically, there will be a dig at Disney over losing Phil Lord and Chris Miller being fired from Film/{{Solo}}. |
| 119 | * How about Marvel? They could have a character say Miles should call himself [[AtrociousAlias "Spy-D"]] instead of Spider-Man, only for Miles to respond that it's a terrible name [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall and that anyone who would insist he change it to that just wants to make him look bad.]] |
| 120 | ** Except Miles calling himself Spidey is just an unconfirmed rumor as of this writing. Why would they do a take that about something that's probably not even real? That's beyond ridiculous. And doing a Take That about Solo wouldn't make sense either. They are not going to be petty for no reason. It would also be very pot and kettle. |
| 121 | * Jossed. |
| 122 | |
| 123 | [[WMG: There will be original Spider Men]] |
| 124 | * one where Harry Osborn was bitten instead of Peter |
| 125 | * one where J Jonah Jameson was bitten and his anti Spider-Man Campaign is used to infiltrate the criminal underworld Alan the Green Hornet |
| 126 | ** This actually happened in the comics, the part of an alternate version of Jameson becoming Spider-Man that is. |
| 127 | ** [[spoiler:Jossed; all the Spideys are at least based off ones that already exist.]] |
| 128 | |
| 129 | [[WMG: Peter Parker is not Peter Parker, or is an evil version of himself, and will turn out to be the BigBad]] |
| 130 | This plot twist could work for a couple of reasons: |
| 131 | * This universe's Peter Parker is supposed to be dead, so it's not out of the question that this isn't the Peter we know and love. |
| 132 | * The trailer seems to imply that one of Miles' big character arcs is going to be becoming his own Spider-Man rather than just copying Parker. What better way to end that arc by taking down an evil Parker. |
| 133 | * If the filmmakers want to cram in as many Spider-Men as possible, this could be an opportunity for "Peter" to turn out to be the Ben Reilly version of the ComicBook/ScarletSpider. |
| 134 | * He could be training Miles as his [[TheDragon dragon]] for when he tries to do... his bad things. Who knows what. |
| 135 | * As a SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome, several multiverse Spider-Men could come to take out evil Peter in the finale, a la Iron Man 3 |
| 136 | * It could also function as a shoutout to The Flash. "You're no Peter Parker!" |
| 137 | * [[spoiler:Jossed; this Peter's just as heroic as any other.]] |
| 138 | |
| 139 | [[WMG: The Inheritors will not appear.]] |
| 140 | * The winged creature in the trailer doesn't look like Morlun or his siblings, there will be a different villain that will have their role. |
| 141 | ** It looked more like a Goblin, especially since they used a fireball attack that looked ''very'' similar to their infamous Pumpkin Bombs. |
| 142 | ** Confirmed. Kingpin is the BigBad, and the winged creature is our old friend Norman Osborn. |
| 143 | |
| 144 | [[WMG: The Prowler will be working for the hunter of the Spiders, in an enemyMine stituation with the Spiders or a BigBadWannabe.]] |
| 145 | * No offence to Ultimate Prowler as he is a good villain would be an ideal candidate for the BigBad of a normal Miles movie, but this is an alternate dimensional movie with different Spider Men and he is just a cat burglar. |
| 146 | ** As it turns out, this Prowler is basically one of Kingpin's henchmen. |
| 147 | |
| 148 | [[WMG: This universe's Peter will die at the start of the film, right after Miles gets his powers.]] |
| 149 | We see in the trailer that Peter is still around at an early part of the film (unless this is the older!Peter, pretending to be the younger one). Since they appear to be keeping Miles' origin story just similar enough, this is a possibility; it'll be the event that causes Miles to realize that he should be using his powers to help people. |
| 150 | * [[spoiler: Confirmed. He dies the night after Miles gets bitten.]] |
| 151 | |
| 152 | [[WMG: Peter, the one who comes from another universe to mentor Miles, has a family]] |
| 153 | Said family consists of his wife and daughter. If this film is successful, said daughter will become Spider-Girl is ''Spider-Girl: Into the Spider Verse,'' a quasi sequel to this film. |
| 154 | ** Then why does he look like a deadbeat? Spider-Girl's Dad/Peter had his shit together. This Peter looks almost homeless or at least broke. |
| 155 | *** He's got graying hair and hasn't shaved and besides, we don't know the circumstances his character is in. Even if he is broke though, that doesn't mean he can't have a family somewhere. |
| 156 | * Jossed, [[spoiler: the whole reason his life fell apart was because he DIDN'T want a family.]] |
| 157 | |
| 158 | [[WMG: The antagonist of the movie will be [[UnexpectedCharacter an obscure villain]].]] |
| 159 | * ComicBook/TaskMaster. PLEASE. |
| 160 | ** It's unlikely Sony can use him. |
| 161 | * Jossed. It's Spider-Man classic Kingpin. |
| 162 | |
| 163 | [[WMG:Miles saying "I love you" to his dad will be used again for a dramatic scene later on.]] |
| 164 | Maybe Miles' dad is going to be kidnapped or horribly injured or something, and Miles will say this to him again, this time with complete sincerity. |
| 165 | * Second Official Trailer confirms that it is brought back later on, [[BrickJoke albeit in a seemingly more comedic context.]] |
| 166 | ** Confirmed for a dramatic context as well. [[spoiler: Miles' dad says it to him after Aaron dies, but Miles is gagged and cannot respond.]] |
| 167 | |
| 168 | [[WMG: Even if [[Series/SpiderManJapan Takuya Yamashiro]] doesn't show up in the movie, at least the Marveller/Leopardon will.]] |
| 169 | It would be a great chance for the Spider-Men to make good use of it in a recent Spider-Man production as a ship that they can gather on and use for transport. That is, if Toei will allow it. |
| 170 | * One of Miles's illustrations looks suspiciously like Leopardon, [[spoiler:but the actual WMG is jossed; Leopardon itself doesn't appear]]. |
| 171 | |
| 172 | [[WMG: The movie's version of Spiderman Noir is a HardBoiledDetective, instead of a Vigilante.]] |
| 173 | Going by the clothes and the voice that they picked for Spiderman Noir, instead of a vigilante, this version of Spiderman Noir is a private detective. |
| 174 | * Confirmed. |
| 175 | |
| 176 | [[WMG: Miles' parents die at some point]] |
| 177 | It will be what drives Miles to do some climactic heroic stuff and cause a CosmicRetcon where his parents are returned to life, leading to that scene in the trailer where Miles embraces his parents much to their surprise and confusion. |
| 178 | * [[spoiler:Jossed; they both survive.]] |
| 179 | |
| 180 | [[WMG: There will be a FinalBattle]] |
| 181 | With Loads And Loads Of Spider-Men leaping into action and becoming a treasure chest of a scene full of {{Freeze Frame Bonus}}es for fans. |
| 182 | * [[spoiler:There is a pretty intense final battle between all the Spideys and the surviving villains, but nobody new appears for the fight.]] |
| 183 | |
| 184 | [[WMG:Peni Parker's world is also home to WesternAnimation/BigHero6]] |
| 185 | |
| 186 | * If that theory turns out to be the case then perhaps she is even related to Hiro. They do look somewhat similar (at least their hair does to me anyway.) |
| 187 | ** At least partially Jossed, as she's from the 31st century. BH6 could have existed in the distant past. |
| 188 | |
| 189 | [[WMG: New FiveManBand theory for the Spider-Men.]] |
| 190 | I was inspired to make this after seeing the theory near the top about this and decided to make my own veriso since we know the Spider-(Wo)Men who will be appearing... |
| 191 | * TheLeader: Miles Morales (He is the main character after all) |
| 192 | ** Jossed; [[spoiler:he can barely even use his powers for most of the film.]] |
| 193 | * TheLancer: Peter Parker (He is the older more experienced Spider-Man in contrast to the younger Miles) |
| 194 | * TheSmartGuy: Peni Parker (She does ride a mech around so she is presumably more tech savvy than most) |
| 195 | ** Confirmed; among other things, [[spoiler:she's the one who fixes the USB]]. |
| 196 | * TheBigGuy: Peter Parker / Spider Man Noir (He is the largest and due to his background may be the strongest in combat) |
| 197 | * TheHeart: Gwen Stacy (Not completely sure about this but I feel like this could fit.) |
| 198 | * And also.. PluckyComicRelief: Peter Porker. (He does seem to be the most comedic in nature also I've ran out of FiveManBand roles) |
| 199 | |
| 200 | [[WMG: Peter Parker is an older version of the one from ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheNewAnimatedSeries'']] |
| 201 | Both versions have rather similar designs, with the elongated faces and the web patterns of their costumes being reflective of light. Both are also implicitly the Creator/SamRaimi [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy versions]] with BroadStrokes applied to their backstory. |
| 202 | |
| 203 | [[WMG: There will be two versions of the sinister six in the movie]] |
| 204 | At the start of the film Milies will get curb stomped by a sinister six made of Scorpion,Tombstone,Shocker,Prowler,Green Goblin, and Rhino. But when the spider (wo)men enter the six is defeated easily (Besides Goblin and Prowler, who escape.) |
| 205 | |
| 206 | Once aware of the threat the spiders have, the Kingpin creates a new Sinister Six of Spidey villains from other dimensions. |
| 207 | * Green Goblin from the old team (Just guessing Prowler will reform) |
| 208 | * Doc Ock from Peter's Universe. |
| 209 | * SP//DR’s Mysterio, a parody of social media stars who will do anything for views |
| 210 | * Noir Vulture, his cannibalism will be downplayed to just a few jokes |
| 211 | * Raven the Hunter (From Spider-Ham's verse), the ButtMonkey of the group |
| 212 | * Spider-Gwen's Scorpion, who is ironically enough the Jefferson Morales of her universe. |
| 213 | ** [[spoiler:Jossed. The Sinister Six equivalent is the Kingpin himself, Green Goblin, Tombstone, Scorpion, Doc Ock, and Prowler, and no second group is ever formed.]] |
| 214 | |
| 215 | [[WMG: Aunt May in the 2nd Trailer with others Spider-Men.]] |
| 216 | I'm can't believed nobody talks about Aunt May alongside with all DimensionalTraveller Spider-Men. May Parker also from another universe and probably Spider-Woman. She's basically same like Uncle Ben of Spider-Verse comics and server as BigGood and TeamMom of group. |
| 217 | * [[spoiler:Sort of jossed. She definitely has sort of a TeamMom dynamic with the Spider-People, but she's otherwise a normal non-powered human from Miles's dimension (specifically, she's the aunt of the dead Peter).]] |
| 218 | |
| 219 | [[WMG: Each of the other universes has their own J Jonah Jameson.]] |
| 220 | * He'll exist in different flavors such as Alex Jones type (for Miles Morales), Bill o'Reilly type (Peter Parker), BasementDweller with an internet connection (Peni Parker), struggling paranoid reporter (Noir), basically Elmer Fudd (Spider-Ham), mass media mogul who diverts more resources to his right wing news network (unlisted spoiler universe)... |
| 221 | * [[spoiler:''Could'' be true for future installments, but we don't see any Jonahs this time, other than the one from the 60s cartoon.]] |
| 222 | |
| 223 | [[WMG: There'll be a RunningGag about Noir having a FaceOfAThug]] |
| 224 | Noir is probably gonna be the nicest guy out of all the Spiders, but it's often undermined by how scary he generally looks. Not to mention some [[Creator/NicolasCage Nic Cage]]-patented DissonantSerenity not helping to alleviate the creepiness. |
| 225 | * The film very much presents him as more of the anti-hero sort, but he's ultimately got the same good heart as the other Spideys. |
| 226 | |
| 227 | [[WMG: Venom of...well, ''Film/Venom2018'' will make a cameo somehow.]] |
| 228 | Possibly as a cutaway in an action scene. Venom, drawn in a realistic art style since his film was live-action, would see a rift that the Spiders briefly go through as they chase or fight the BigBad, and just think "what the hell just happened?" before it cuts away to the action. |
| 229 | * Even better - the Venom symbiote briefly dips into a rift caused by the exploding rocket, then sees our heroes for a moment before getting PortalCut by a rift that deposits him closer to Eddie [[SequelHook while leaving a speck in the Spider-verse...]] |
| 230 | * [[spoiler:Jossed. No symbiotes this time around.]] |
| 231 | |
| 232 | [[WMG: A post-credits scene will feature Miles being offered a spot on the roster of his universe's version of The Avengers... with the Avengers being voiced by their MCU Actors.]] |
| 233 | * [[spoiler:Jossed, though the post-credits does hint at how future Spider-Teams might happen.]] |
| 234 | |
| 235 | [[WMG:Or barring that, voiced by whoever they got at the shortest notice:]] |
| 236 | * Iron Man: Creator/NicolasCage |
| 237 | * Captain America: Jake Johnson |
| 238 | * Hawkeye: John Mulaney |
| 239 | * Wasp: Hailee Steinfeld |
| 240 | * War Machine: Brian Tyree Henry |
| 241 | * Falcon: Mahershala Ali |
| 242 | * Thor: James Corden |
| 243 | * Bruce Banner: Bill Hader |
| 244 | * Hank Pym Ant-Man: Fred Armisen |
| 245 | * Nick Fury: Chris Rock |
| 246 | * Black Widow: Leslie Jones |
| 247 | ** [[spoiler:All jossed, as noted above.]] |
| 248 | |
| 249 | [[WMG: There's no Gwen Stacy in Alternate Peter's universe]] |
| 250 | TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot? Maybe. But this would allow the movie to skirt around any angst Peter might go through seeing his first love alive and well again. Plus if Peter is indeed (a version) of the Raimi Spider-Man, that would also imply that if Gwen did exist in his universe, he's not gonna be torn up because they've never really dated. |
| 251 | * Probably confirmed, as Peter meets Gwen for the first time in this film and doesn't react when he hears her name. |
| 252 | |
| 253 | [[WMG: Miles will be ShipTease 'd with his universe's Gwen Stacy...]] |
| 254 | ... and his resulting awkward, confusing relationship with Spider-Gwen will be played for laughs. |
| 255 | * There's definitely some ShipTease between the two that's occasionally played for laughs, [[spoiler:but the Gwen at his school is actually just Spider-Gwen pretending to be a native of his dimension]]. |
| 256 | |
| 257 | [[WMG: The Gwen Stacy of Miles’ dimension will gain spider powers.]] |
| 258 | Would be pretty interesting plus if the above theory of Miles getting ShipTease with her is correct then perhaps they could become a BattleCouple. Plus since it’s likely all the Spiders will be going back to their own dimensions eventually then it would prevent Miles from getting lonely. |
| 259 | * [[spoiler:Jossed, since said Gwen is actually the one from another dimension.]] |
| 260 | |
| 261 | [[WMG:Alternately, Miles NEVER gets anywhere with his universe's Gwen.]] |
| 262 | Instead she's pushed out of the picture while Miles finds a new love... Zendaya. |
| 263 | -->[[MythologyGag "Guess what, Wildcat - You just won the Superbowl!"]] |
| 264 | * Confirmed, [[spoiler: because his universe doesn't ''have'' a Gwen - or if it does, he never meets her.]] |
| 265 | |
| 266 | [[WMG: Peni and Gwen will develop a sister-like bond.]] |
| 267 | Just cause I wanna see Gwen be a CoolBigSis to her fellow Spider-Girl! |
| 268 | * Unfortunately jossed; the two don't have any particular interactions. |
| 269 | |
| 270 | [[WMG: At some point, Spider Gwen will [[TheReveal reveal]] that she has Venom]] |
| 271 | It wouldn't be much of a Spider-verse movie without some kind of appearance by the symbiote, and given how prominent Venom is in [[ComicBook/SpiderGwen Spider-Gwen's own comic line]] it would make sense that this Spider Gwen could have her own symbiote as a nod to it. |
| 272 | * At least regarding this film, [[spoiler:jossed; no symbiotes in this movie]]. |
| 273 | [[/folder]] |
| 274 | |
| 275 | [[folder: Post-Release Theories]] |
| 276 | [[WMG: Aunt May and Olivia Octavius were friends/colleagues/possibly were romantically involved in this universe]] |
| 277 | They have a definite history supported within the text of the movie. Aunt May immediately recognizes Olivia through the guise of her alter-ego, a fully costumed Doc Ock, despite Olivia successfully maintaining her super-villain status a secret not connected to her personal life in this universe. Additionally, Aunt May pointedly uses the diminutive version of Olivia's name, "Liv". This has been previously established by Olivia herself to be what "my friends call me", establishing not only a passing familiarity, but a close enough relationship for the use of said nickname. This appears to be very intentionally set-up with later recall to remark on their having known each other in a close capacity. To what end is unclear, as it isn't something that has yet been paid off. However, the original Doc Ock once tried to marry Aunt May in the comics, so there is some substance to the idea of a past relationship. |
| 278 | * An alternative to this is that Aunt May originally was the head scientist at the company Alchemax and Olivia originally was her second in command until Kingpin purchased the company with the help of Olivia. Aunt May was forced out by someone she considered a friend (Olivia). This would account for Aunt May's ability to build web-shooters, as well as for Peter to be able to have a rather enormous Spider-cave (there had to be a lot of money to be able to cover the cost of digging out underneath the house, as well as the hardware for Peter of Miles' reality to have. Being someone who for years worked at a lab would have been successful, as well as access to parts to be able to create a new Goober). |
| 279 | |
| 280 | [[WMG: The Kingpin owns Oscorp in this universe]] |
| 281 | Unlike both the Mainstream and Ultimate versions of Norman who maintain [[JekyllAndHyde a double life as both Oscorp CEO and supervillain,]] this version of Norman is only seen in his Goblin persona and is implied to be nothing more than one of the Kingpin's brutes in contrast to the masterminds that are his comic counterparts. It's likely then that the Goblin serum affected Norman to the point that he is permanently transformed into his hulking Goblin self and [[AndIMustScream unlike his Ultimate counterpart is unable to shift back to human form]]. With this state it is likely that Oscorp would have slid to bankruptcy, something that the [[VillainWithGoodPublicity Kingpin]] is all too eager to take advantage of by buying the company and rebranding it as Alchemax. This also explains how Kingpin managed to build the Supercollider in the first place, using resources provided by the now defunct Oscorp. |
| 282 | |
| 283 | [[WMG: The Kingpin is a mutant]] |
| 284 | Whilst the Kingpin has always been a big, broad man, it's always been more of a "tall English sumo wrestler" kind of look. The movie may have a certain level of stylization, but the Kingpin looks like he could come out of some 50s era cartoon depiction of an Eastern European bruiser; he's far more of a caricature than any other character native in this dimension. Furthermore, during the climactic fight scene, he's shown displaying feats of flat-out SuperStrength, whereas his canon self, whilst certainly possessed of CharlesAtlasSuperpowers, is nowhere near that mighty. The logical answer, then, is that Kingpin is one of the many mutants who've shown up in ''ComicBook/XMen'' stories who has a distorted physical form that [[AstonishinglyAppropriateAppearance symbolizes his inhuman strength]]. |
| 285 | |
| 286 | [[WMG: Kingpin created the multiple Spider-People across the multiverse]] |
| 287 | When Osborn dunked Spider-Man's head into the stream of energy from the Super Collider that was piercing the multiple universes he inadvertently spread Spider-Man's influence across the multiple dimensions, space, and time. As a matter of fact, the spider that bit Miles was phase shifting before it bit him so it could be a result of this as well. |
| 288 | |
| 289 | [[WMG: There is a safe method of dimensional travel]] |
| 290 | I got the idea from the post-credits scene, where [[spoiler:Miguel O'Hara travels to Earth-67,if you notice, the machine he uses results in him taking up the art style of Earth-67. Possibly indicating that he managed to travel to said universe in a safe manner.]] |
| 291 | |
| 292 | [[WMG: Peter B was suicidal]] |
| 293 | More then any other Spider person, he was instant about staying in Miles universe to close the portal. Perhaps he wanted to go out a hero instead of continuing his sad life. |
| 294 | |
| 295 | [[WMG: Soon after getting back together with his MJ Peter B will have a daughter and lose a foot, forcing him to retire]] |
| 296 | * Confirmed to have a daughter in ''Across'', while Peter B. retiring was jossed. |
| 297 | |
| 298 | [[WMG: The Spider-Man of Miles's universe is actually Ben Reilly]] |
| 299 | His hair is blonde, like Reilly's. He replaced the original Spider-Man at some point, explaining why "Billy's" hair in the in-universe comic was brown, with the name of the character being another reference to Reilly's identity, |
| 300 | '''B'''en Re'''illy'''. |
| 301 | ** Jossed. The opening origin montage showing his past with Uncle Ben and Aunt May shows a kid version of Peter, and he has blonde hair too. So this is actually a Peter Parker who is blond. |
| 302 | |
| 303 | [[WMG: Miles' world takes place in the Raimiverse and after the trilogy, albeit with BroadStrokes, like WesternAnimation/BatmanGothamKnight.]] |
| 304 | Blonde Peter's montage shows several alternate takes on scenes from the original films, including: |
| 305 | ** Spiderman saving the train from ''Film/SpiderMan2''. |
| 306 | ** Uncle Ben's line of power and responsibility, which is a direct recording from ''Film/SpiderMan1''. |
| 307 | ** Spiderman and Mary Jane being attacked by Doc Ock in a restaurant, again from 2. |
| 308 | ** The upside down spider-kiss, inverted. |
| 309 | ** Peter doing a stupid dance from 3. |
| 310 | These scenes aren't shown accurately because Peter has been Spiderman for so long and is brushing over minor details. He also dyed his hair blonde. |
| 311 | Meanwhile, Oscorp was bought out by Kingpin and renamed Alchemax after the Osborns' deaths, with a distant relative of Otto Octavius, Olivia Octavius, as lead scientist. Liv is fascinated by Spiderman's old foes and Otto's work, and becomes the new Doctor Octopus. She also starts using Alchemax to create new bio-enhanced foes, such as the Scorpion. The giant Goblin monster we see is a genetic creation of hers that goes by the moniker, "Norman" after the late Mr. Osborn. |
| 312 | |
| 313 | [[WMG: Blonde Peter was planning to retire and start a family with MJ.]] |
| 314 | It's why he said "I am so tired" when he was fighting Prowler and was ecstatic upon meeting Miles, and why he was so quick to take him as an apprentice. He was planning on training Miles and once that was finished, he could retire knowing that the city still had a Spider-Man to protect it. |
| 315 | |
| 316 | [[WMG: The Prowler was only working for King Pin to protect his brother.]] |
| 317 | We are never really given a motive as to just WHY Aaron was working for the King Pin. Considering King Pin is one of the, if not THE, most feared crime bosses in the city, and Jefferson is a cop, it's likely Aaron is working for King Pin to shield Jefferson from getting wrapped up in King Pin's affairs and putting himself in danger. Additionally Aaron is shown to care deeply for his family and will readily sacrifice himself to protect them. While he is estranged (presumably to help prevent his brother from finding out about his work for Fisk), he is shown to care about his brother, even having a photo of the two together framed next to his sofa. Basically, The Prowler of this universe is an AntiVillain! |
| 318 | |
| 319 | [[WMG: Jefferson knows that his son is the new Spider-Man and chooses to be his SecretKeeper.]] |
| 320 | Really self-explanatory. Who cares that Miles is wearing a fully-concealing face mask and costume. He ended a call right before Spider-Man appeared in front of Officer Davis, his voice is obviously Miles' voice actor pitching down to sound less like a kid, and Jeff and Miles have a close enough relationship that it shouldn't be terribly hard for Jeff to recognize his son's body language under the suit. |
| 321 | * In addition Jefferson and Aaron used to tag places together, which means he must have some decent knowledge of graffiti as an art, even if it's rusty. Miles throwing up sticker tags is a long-running enough habit for Jefferson to treat it completely matter of factly. Between these, he should be able to recognize Mile's tag style. When he sees Kingpin strung up between the buildings, he covers his mouth in shock, which might be for the sight of Kingpin, but it could also be when he recognizes Miles' tag, stylistically. |
| 322 | |
| 323 | [[WMG: Kingpin got Miles into Visions Academy]] |
| 324 | Kingpin rigged the lottery or the exam, or BOTH to get Miles into an elite school. Aaron Davis works for Kingpin, so it's more than reasonable this connection is why Miles is why he got into a posh school. It could be either a favor Aaron asked of Kingpin or it could be a manipulative move that got him to work for him to begin with. |
| 325 | |
| 326 | [[WMG: Vulture is female]] |
| 327 | Raimi's fourth movie, if one believes the rumours, was going to star Anne Hatahway as the Vulturess; Vulture never actually shows up in the movie, and Miles' universe seems to be patterned off Raimi's. Possibly reinforced by Spidey Bells with "Vulture laid an egg." No wonder it sold so well: it's a kid-friendly '''diss track'''! |
| 328 | |
| 329 | [[WMG: Other things different in Miles' universe]] |
| 330 | * ''Dungeons & Dragons'' role is replaced with ''Chainmail'', which it was initially a variant of before being replaced by it. As a result, all parodies of it in media are named after another kind of armoring. Other media based on the game is. replaced with ''Chainmail'' equivalents. |
| 331 | * ''My Little Pony'' instead goes by its original name of ''My Pretty Pony''. This lead to it becoming increasingly based on fashion gimmicks as the franchise grew; [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic My Pretty Pony: Fashion is Fun]] was dismissed by everyone as a vapid toy commercial, meaning it didn't develop its significant PeripheryDemographic. |
| 332 | * Chuck Cunningham never suffered from ChuckCunninghamSyndrome on Series/HappyDays. As a result, it is instead deemed [[Series/FamilyMatters Judy Winslow Syndrome.]] |
| 333 | * Franchise/StarWars is vastly different; While Creator/MarkHamill was still Luke, Leia was played by Creator/SissySpacek, Han by Creator/KurtRussell, Obi-Wan by Creator/PeterCushing, and Darth Vader by Creator/ToshiroMifune. George Lucas convinced Mifune to do it by getting rid of Vader's mask. Due to this, Luke was never made to be Vader's long lost son due to the obvious racial difference (instead the secret Vader revealed was that Obi-Wan killed Luke's father). Further changes include Han dying in ''Return of the Jedi'', Leia wasn't revealed to be Luke's sister, and the final battle would have been between the Empire and the Wookies on the latter's home planet. Naturally, this makes the prequels, and the sequels, far different. |
| 334 | * [[Ride/DisneyThemeParks Euro Disneyland]] based attractions on the [[ComicBook/DisneyMouseAndDuckComics Disney Comics]] that Europe adores so much and has a more successful reputation. Donald Duck and family are the mascots of the park. |
| 335 | ** There's a statue of Creator/CarlBarks and Scrooge [=McDuck=] holding hands that parallel the statue of Disney and Mickey at the other parks. |
| 336 | ** Their a version of Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin with [[ComicBook/PaperinikNewAdventures Donald Duck's Paperinik replacing Buzz Lightyear and the Evorians replacing Zurg]] |
| 337 | * [[Music/SidVicious Sid Vicious's]] cover of Music/MyWay was released as a single in the Philippines. Surprisingly, [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff it's actually more popular then Sinatra's version of the song.]] To the point that many Filipinos [[CoveredUp don't even realize it's a cover.]] |
| 338 | * Music/PaulMcCartney died in November 27 1966 while Music/ElvisPresley is still alive. There are rumors that [[ElvisLives Paul is still alive and is in hiding]] while Elvis died years ago and was replaced by a look alike. |
| 339 | * John Wilkes Booth was an avid critic of the [[UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln Lincoln Administration]]. He would play roles like [[Theatre/RichardIII King Richard III]] and turn them into parodies of Lincoln. |
| 340 | ** [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Booth#Robert_Lincoln_rescue When Edwin Booth saved Robert Todd Lincoln in Jersey City]], Lincoln invited the Booth Family over to the White House as thanks. Booth and Lincoln formed an OddFriendship despite differently political views. Booth was even at Lincoln's funeral [[InSpiteOfANail when he was shot at Ford's Theatre]] [[AllohistoricalAllusion by a carriage repairman named George Atzerodt]] |
| 341 | * Creator/JerryLewis was [[UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan Reagan's]] [[Franchise/BackToTheFuture vice president.]] |
| 342 | * Creator/JohnMulaney is more well known for his role as George St. Geegland on Hi, Hello then for his stand up routine. |
| 343 | ** The Spider Man of this world was a guest on the show. This appearance was taped for [[Creator/{{Netflix}} Neithflicks]] |
| 344 | * [[ComicBook/RedSkull Johann Schmidt]] was Führer and the Hydra party ruled Germany. |
| 345 | * ComicBook/DoctorDoom and ComicBook/SquirrelGirl [[CrackPairing are married]] and rule Latveria together. |
| 346 | ** Latveria's army consists of the country's squirrel population. They are the most feared army in the world. |
| 347 | * [[ComicBook/JustImagineStanLeeCreatingTheDCUniverse Batman is a professional wrestler, Wonder Woman is an Incan warrior, Superman is a policeman from his home planet, Green Lantern got his powers from the World Tree, Flash has Humming bird DNA, Shazam is an Interpol agent who got his powers on a mission from India and Aquaman is a marine biologist with Dolphin DNA.]] |
| 348 | ** Noted Batman actors were Red Foxx in the [[Series/Batman1966 1960's Batman series,]] Billy Dee Williams in [[Film/Batman1989 the 1989 Burton movie,]] Phil [=LaMarr=] from the [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries animated series]] [[WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague and Justice League of America cartoon,]] Denzel Washington in Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy, Jordan Peele in [[WesternAnimation/TheLegoMovie the]] [[WesternAnimation/TheLegoBatmanMovie LEGO]] [[WesternAnimation/TheLegoMovie2TheSecondPart movies]] and Will Smith in the DC Extended Universe. |
| 349 | * Texas is pronunced Tejas. |
| 350 | * Utah is called Deseret. |
| 351 | * When the Berlin Wall fell, West Germany and East Germany became [[WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants Weast]] Germany. |
| 352 | * [[VideoGame/CrashBandicoot Crash's girlfriend Tawna was kept after the first game]] and took Coco's WrenchWench role in the series. |
| 353 | * ComicBook/{{Thanos}}' plan to kill half of the universe was thwarted when it turned out that he can't snap his fingers. |
| 354 | * Disney's California Adventure gained a bit of a bump in tourism when Princess Diana rode the Paparazzi Chase ride and said it was heart pounding and thrilling. |
| 355 | * The 1906 San Fransisco Earthquake would lead to the creation of [[WesternAnimation/BigHero6 San Fransokyo.]] |
| 356 | * [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Steve Rogers]] is President of the United States of America and ComicBook/CarolDanvers is his V.P. |
| 357 | * After the Mexican-American War, there was never a mass deportation against the citizens living in the Mexican Cession, so the states formed there have a stronger hispanic heritage. |
| 358 | * [[WesternAnimation/IronManArmoredAdventures Tony Stark/Iron Man is still a teenager.]] Spider-Man [[Film/SpiderManHomecoming tried mentoring him]] for a time, but they had a falling out and split. |
| 359 | * The resident superhero team are ComicBook/TheUltimates. |
| 360 | * People in Miles’s universe jokingly suggest that Spider Man should star in the main cast of Shake It Up. |
| 361 | * The one and only President of the Confederate States of America was named ''Thomas'' Davis, meaning Miles' father's name isn't so unfortunate in this. |
| 362 | * Carl's Jr and Hardee's are called Hardee's Jr. |
| 363 | * [[Franchise/StarFox Fay and Miyu were part of the Star Fox team from the first game, and present for the rest of the franchise]], Miyu then becoming the second Star Fox rep in [[VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Super Smash Bros.]] Meanwhile, Falco and Slippy were created for the unreleased [[VideoGame/StarFox2 Star Fox 2]] and became [[Main/EnsembleDarkhorse Ensemble Dark Horses]] among fans. |
| 364 | |
| 365 | [[WMG: The man who signed Peter B and MJ's divorce papers...]] |
| 366 | [[ComicBook/OneMoreDay Was named]] [[ComicBook/{{Mephisto}} Mason P. Heston.]] |
| 367 | |
| 368 | [[WMG: Aunt May in the movie is a technological genius]] |
| 369 | And may very well have been a peer of Olivia Octavius. Miles' Spidey had a large, sophisticated lair full of gadgets, something the much more experienced Peter B never had. It could be that this Aunt May is not only Alfred to Peter's Spiderman but also his [[Film/JamesBond Q]]. This version of Aunt May might share the technical wizardry that her nephew possessed and helped him out with much of it. This explains why she can so quickly build a pair of webshooters for Miles; unlike most Aunt Mays, she was involved in its design from the start. |
| 370 | |
| 371 | [[WMG: Peter B. Parker was a deliberate Take That to One More Day]] |
| 372 | [[ComicBook/OneMoreDay One More Day]] infamously has Peter [[CosmicRetcon sell his marriage]] to Mephisto in order to save the life of Aunt May. This was because the editors believed that being married made Peter seem too old to be relatable, and that being divorced would do likewise. But here we have a Peter who ''is'' older, whose aunt ''is'' dead, who ''did'' divorce MJ, and who ends up back together with her anyway. It's as if the movie is going out of its way to turn Peter B. into exactly the Spider-Man Joe Quesada didn't want to exist, and showing why such a character can actually be great. |
| 373 | |
| 374 | [[WMG: Jefferson knew that Aaron was the Prowler]] |
| 375 | There's a line in the movie where Jefferson asks Miles "You wanna end up like your uncle?". I think part of the reason why they were estranged was because Jefferson knew that Aaron was the Prowler. Maybe he didn't know about the Prowler working for Kingpin, but it could explain that line in particular. |
| 376 | |
| 377 | [[WMG: Miles' parents suspect he was a witness to Spider-Man's death]] |
| 378 | They might not realize that he is the new Spider-Man, but consider that he came back to their house, clearly distressed and asking if Jefferson really hated Spider-Man, moments before the news broke of Spider-Man's death. Then for the next few days, he's distant, he doesn't answer his phone... It definitely entered his parents' heads that he might have been there when Spidey died. |
| 379 | |
| 380 | [[WMG: Peter B. Parker never gets back together with Mary Jane]] |
| 381 | She already has a new boyfriend. Peter ends up going another love interest. |
| 382 | * Jossed. |
| 383 | |
| 384 | [[WMG: Olivia Octavius is Transgender]] |
| 385 | Not only is her counterpart in pretty much every other continuity male, she has a very masculine-looking jawline, has the fondness for bright colors and "quirky" accessories stereotypical of the LGBT community and many transwomen are employed in high tech fields. |
| 386 | |
| 387 | [[WMG: Noir learns how to see colors from playing with the Rubik's Cube]] |
| 388 | Everyone in the Noir universe sees in black and white, and Noir's costume isn't actually ''in'' black and white, it's gray because gray is the only color he knows. ''But...'' playing with the Rubik's Cube somehow unlocks a CharlesAtlasSuperpower that allows him to be the only person in his dimension who can see in color, thus giving him an advantage (in addition to his spider-related superpowers) over everyone else. |
| 389 | |
| 390 | [[WMG: Kingpin was NOT Earth-1610B Peter's ArchEnemy, but Doctor Octopus was.]] |
| 391 | The characters page of ThisVeryWiki lists Kingpin as the arch enemy of both Spider-Man, though I believe that is just because he is the main villain of the movie. While it is his plan, he doesn't view either Spider-Man as someone he has a personal grudge against, but instead a threat. |
| 392 | |
| 393 | As for Doc Ock, a few things should be noted: |
| 394 | * She's working WITH Kingpin, not for him. Considering she knows his family will not survive if they are successful, she is clearly doing this for her own purposes. |
| 395 | * Compared to Kingpin's anger that there are more Spiders, Doc Ock takes more glee from the fact that she can watch/make more Spider-Men suffer. This fits well with an Arch Enemy dedicated to making your life a living hell. |
| 396 | |
| 397 | [[/folder]] |
| 398 | |
| 399 | [[folder: Sequel Theories]] |
| 400 | [[WMG: Doctor Olivia Octavius will eventually return with her own version of the Sinister Six]] |
| 401 | * But this will be very different from the traditional line-up. They will be relatively obscure villains who are none the less [[AxCrazy vile, bloodthirsty]] [[TheSociopath sociopaths]] with little to no qualms about terrorizing innocent worlds, and killing as many Spider-Men they can get their hands on,in contrast to [[AntiVillain the Sandman, Rhino, or Kraven]]. A potential line up: |
| 402 | ** BigBad: Olivia herself, who wants to see [[ForScience how much damage these guys could do before the nasty dimension effects catch up to them.]] |
| 403 | ** TheDragon: Demogoblin, who wants to purge all "sinners" across the multiverse. |
| 404 | ** TheEvilGenius: Alistair Smythe, sharing this role with Olivia herself, and searching for his father so they can take proper revenge on Spidey and J. Jonah Jameson. |
| 405 | ** TheBrute: Carl King, Aka [[TheWormThatWalks The Thousand]], who wants to spread his spiders across the multiverse and become the "hero" he [[EntitledBastard thinks he should've been instead of puny Parker.]] |
| 406 | ** DarkActionGirl:[[WesternAnimation/MarvelsSpiderMan Keemia Marko/Sandgirl]]. She isn't happy that her dad is the resident sand-being of so many dimensions, and wants to destroy or absorb him, along with any spider-people in her way, so she can prove she's better than him. |
| 407 | ** TeamPet: Doppelganger, whose just there as Demogoblin's loyal attack dog. |
| 408 | |
| 409 | [[WMG: The sequel will have a more faithful rendition of the Green Goblin as the BigBad]] |
| 410 | This would also lead to a massive brawl that pits different versions of Spider-Man against different version of the Goblin. |
| 411 | * Jossed. The Spot is the BigBad of the sequel. |
| 412 | |
| 413 | [[WMG: The sequel will include the Inheritors, or take place after Spider-Geddon]] |
| 414 | |
| 415 | [[WMG: There will be sequels involving the Spider-verse, but Miles will also get a sequel where he forms The Champions.]] |
| 416 | Through some plot contrivance, he will encounter another villain too strong for him to handle alone, and other heroes will start showing up to help him out. |
| 417 | * The problem with this is that Sony’s license is with Spider-characters specifically; they’re going to have to jump through a lot of hoops to get Spider-Man in the same place as Ms. Marvel, Nova, Ironheart, or the others. |
| 418 | ** Rumour has it that Apple is planning to buy out Sony this year (2019). If that is the case, then apparently the Spider-Man film rights will revert to Marvel/Disney. In the event that Disney chooses to continue the Spiderverse series under Disney Animation, it wouldn't be a problem, legally. |
| 419 | *** 2023 here, and Apple did not buy out Sony. |
| 420 | |
| 421 | [[WMG: A plot point in the sequel (minor or major) will involve interdimensional inflation-based money scams.]] |
| 422 | Think about it: Miles and Peter's meal, consisting of 3 burgers, 2 souvlaki(?), 3 fries, and 2 sodas runs them $30,000. Remove the souvlaki and you get a $22,500 meal. In our world, 3 Big Macs are $12, 3 large fries are $5.70, and 2 sodas are $3 at [=McDonalds=]. Round that up for tax, and you get a $21 meal. Since I'm too lazy to do complex math, that means the USD in our universe is about 1000 times more valuable than the USD in Miles'. Working 20 hours a week in a part-time job at New York State minimum wage rates nets you a cool $200 per week. By my math, working that same 20-hour part-time job in Miles' universe nets you '''''$200,000'''''. You work a couple of weeks in Miles' universe, you take that scratch home, you're set for life.\ |
| 423 | ...while writing this, I realized that [[DidntThinkThisThrough you'd probably be paid in $50,000 notes or something]]. I DON'T CARE I'M STILL POSTING IT! And even then, Peter B. has both the motive and the fiscal irresponsibility to try such a scam without realizing the note problem. And that's just among the Spideys! |
| 424 | |
| 425 | [[WMG: Peter B. and MJ’s child(ren) will be included in the sequel.]] |
| 426 | Could be either [[ComicBook/MarvelComics2 Mayday and Benjy]] or [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManRenewYourVows Annie]]. Maybe a CompositeCharacter of the two daughters. Either way, the comedy of Spider-Dad contending with a little menace is too good to pass up. |
| 427 | * Confirmed with Mayday. |
| 428 | |
| 429 | [[WMG: A sequel will feature the return of the ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'' and ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan'' iterations of the character, with their original actors and definitive closure for them in tow.]] |
| 430 | Thanks to the concept of the multiverse introduced in Spider-Verse, there is a prime opportunity to revisit these older versions of the canon and give their respective Spider-Men a last hurrah. Which would be especially nice for the ''Amazing'' Spider-Man, considering his storyline was CutShort. |
| 431 | * A post-credits scene will also reveal the MCU Spider-Man has come to the party... [[MythologyGag or at least the version of him from the universe where]] Creator/AsaButterfield [[MythologyGag was cast as Peter.]] |
| 432 | |
| 433 | [[WMG: Liv will return as Superior Spider-man]] |
| 434 | Her body was destroyed while she was in the super-collider's cross dimensional bridge. Her mind survived, and fused to one of the myriad of Spider-men that it was touching. Either she will be in a male Peter Parker body, and the revelation that she is Liv will be a reveal, or else she will be in a Spider-woman's body, so she can join the Spider-women theme of the next movie, either openly, or she still might be a twist. |
| 435 | |
| 436 | [[WMG: Creator/TomHardy will cameo as Eddie Brock, pre- or sans- Venom]] |
| 437 | ...and Eddie will be terribly confused as to why Peter B. is acting like he thinks Eddie has any of the skills necessary to help the Spiders fight the villain. |
| 438 | * Jossed. |
| 439 | |
| 440 | [[WMG: The sequel will feature Tom Hardy's Venom.]] |
| 441 | And Eddie will be confused as to why Peter B. expected Venom to have a spider theme like the Spider-Heroes. |
| 442 | * Jossed. |
| 443 | |
| 444 | [[WMG: Richard Fisk survived the car crash and turns up as Rose]] |
| 445 | In Spider-Man's lair we briefly see an image of Rose, who in the comics was a mysterious masked crime boss who was eventually revealed to be Richard Fisk, the son of Kingpin. Since Rose apparently exists in this universe as well, it's possible he turns out to be the adult Richard Fisk who survived the accident and went into hiding. He could even have the same motive as the comic book Rose, vengeance against his father, since Kingpin inadvertently caused the death of Richard's mother. |
| 446 | * Jossed. |
| 447 | |
| 448 | [[WMG:The Spot will be an important antagonist.]] |
| 449 | He'll be revealed to be the one who perfected the cross-dimensional technology first, just within his own universe, before Kingpin thought he could go Tim Taylor with it, and in the distant future it'll be stabilized by Spider-Man 2099's time. |
| 450 | * Partially confirmed. He is the BigBad, but for other reasons. [[spoiler:His experiments with the Super Collider were the reason Miles became Spider-Man.]] |
| 451 | |
| 452 | [[WMG: The sequel will feature [[SerialEscalation an entire battalion of Spiders]].]] |
| 453 | In addition to the "Spider Six" who appeared in the first movie, the sequel will also include: |
| 454 | * Spider-Man 2099 and 60s Spider-Man becoming {{Ascended Extra}}s (with 2099's awesome gadgets and 60s's supreme mastery of [[BrickJoke the art of pointing]]) |
| 455 | * ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan |
| 456 | * [[ComicBook/ScarletSpider Ben Reilly]] |
| 457 | * ComicBook/AnyaCorazon |
| 458 | * ComicBook/SpiderWoman (All of them, but Jessica Drew will get the most focus) |
| 459 | * Steel Spider |
| 460 | * The incarnation of Peter Parker from WesternAnimation/MarvelsSpiderMan |
| 461 | * MCU Spider-Man, who will turn out to have been saved from Thanos by Master Weaver and dumped on Earth-1048. |
| 462 | * [[VideoGame/SpiderManPS4 The Peter Parker of the aforementioned Earth-1048]] |
| 463 | * Spider-Cyborg |
| 464 | * Spider-UK |
| 465 | * Spider-Punk |
| 466 | * Aaron Aikman |
| 467 | * Old Man Spider |
| 468 | * Captain Universe |
| 469 | * Lady Spider |
| 470 | * Penelope Parker |
| 471 | * Literature/TheSpider |
| 472 | * Spider-Totem Uncle Ben |
| 473 | * Married Spider-Man |
| 474 | * El Espiritu de Las Calles |
| 475 | * [[Series/SpiderManJapan Takuya Yamashiro]] (with Leopardon along for the ride) |
| 476 | * [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy Raimiverse Spider-Man]] (with Creator/TobeyMaguire [[RoleReprise reprising his role]]) |
| 477 | * Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan (with Creator/AndrewGarfield [[RoleReprise also reprising his role]]) |
| 478 | * WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan |
| 479 | * ComicBook/SpiderGirl |
| 480 | * WesternAnimation/SpiderManUnlimited (only now remade into his own character) |
| 481 | * [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManAndHisAmazingFriends The Peter Parker of Earth-8107]] (and his amazing friends will appear as TheCavalry) |
| 482 | * WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan2012 (and his ama-I mean, ULTIMATE friends will also be part of TheCavalry) |
| 483 | * [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries Animated Spider-Man]] |
| 484 | ** Alternately that universe's Peter and Mary end up having a [[ComicBook/SpiderGirl daughter]] who joins the team and appears in the cartoons' 90s animation. |
| 485 | * [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheNewAnimatedSeries MTV Spider-Man, finally getting the reappearance he deserves]] |
| 486 | * [[ComicBook/MarvelFairyTales Woodsman Peter and Servant Peter]] |
| 487 | * [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManRenewYourVows Spiderling]] |
| 488 | * In a similar way to Spider-Gwen, a alternate Mary-Jane Watson who is a Spider-Woman. |
| 489 | * A Spider-Harry Osborn |
| 490 | * A Spider-Flash Thompson |
| 491 | * And, just because, a Spider-J.Jonah Johnson |
| 492 | * Adi Granov and Gabriele Dell’Otto [[AsHimself as themselves]] wearing the [[VideoGame/SpiderManPS4 Velocity Suit and Resilient Suit respectively]] |
| 493 | * Spirit Spider |
| 494 | * [[Manga/SpiderManManga Mangaverse Spider-Man]] |
| 495 | * ComicBook/FantasticFour Spider-Man |
| 496 | * Man-Spider |
| 497 | * [[ComicBook/SpiderGeddon Spiders-Man]] |
| 498 | * [[ComicBook/Marvel1602 The Spider]], voiced by Creator/KennethBranagh. |
| 499 | * The Amazing '''[[BrickJoke BOMBASTIC BAG MAN!]]''' |
| 500 | * Pavitr Prabhakar (Spider-Man: India) |
| 501 | * An [[ComicBook/SpiderManLifeStory elderly Peter Parker]] |
| 502 | * Spider-Man from [[VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom Earth-30847]] (voiced by either Creator/JoshKeaton or Creator/RobbieDaymond, who drops multiple references to Creator/{{Capcom}} games and is constantly CallingYourAttacks while fighting) |
| 503 | * And last, but not least... [[spoiler: ''{{WebVideo/Italian Spiderman}}'']] |
| 504 | ** Mostly confirmed. |
| 505 | |
| 506 | [[WMG: Some ''[[EvilCounterpart evil]]'' versions of Spider-Man will appear]] |
| 507 | * [[WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan2012 Wolf Spider]] |
| 508 | * The one from ComicBook/MarvelTwoInOne |
| 509 | * Blood Spider |
| 510 | * Spider-Carnage |
| 511 | * [[ComicBook/CableAndDeadpool Pestilence]] |
| 512 | * [[ComicBook/{{Exiles}} The Spider]] |
| 513 | * [[Film/ThreeBigMen Turkish Spider-Man]], complete with killer guinea pigs and his murder teepee. |
| 514 | * An evil version of Peter Parker who got fed up will people's ungratefulness and became a villain. He now goes by "Spider-Menace". |
| 515 | * A BigBad-grade Superior Spider-Man, who's a [[VideoGame/Borderlands2 Handsome Jack]]ian malignant narcissist with an utterly self-serving definition of heroism. |
| 516 | |
| 517 | [[WMG: Adding to the above, [[WesternAnimation/GadgetBoyAndHeather Spydra]] is an alternate version of Spider-Man!]] |
| 518 | * Her (possible) backstory[[note]]unless you're willing to believe her childhood clips from "Pirate of the Airwaves were real[[/note]]: she was a budding young lady who was bitten by a radioactive spider. Instead of getting spider powers, though, she mutated into a pale-skinned, [[MultiArmedAndDangerous six-armed]] creature. Her face was also mutated, causing whoever sees it to be TakenForGranite. She convinced herself she's beautiful to hide her insecurites. She will likely be the BigBad of the sequel, leading the evil Spider-Men. |
| 519 | |
| 520 | [[WMG:If the sequel adapts the "Multiversal War" aspect of Spider-Verse and Spider-Geddon, the filmmakers will include a nod to the "Spider-sona" phenomenon]] |
| 521 | * Perhaps they'll have some kind of sweepstakes where [[ContestWinnerCameo the winners' designs appear]], or just have a bunch of colorfully-costumed Spider-people in the background. Either way, it'd be a heartwarming nod to the film's dedicated fandom. |
| 522 | ** Confirmed. Sun-Spider, a wheelchair-using Spider-woman who appears in the chase sequence, was a fan spider-sona. |
| 523 | |
| 524 | [[WMG:The new and unexpected villain will be... the Kingpin]] |
| 525 | * It will be announced, but not included in trailers or promotional stuff (perhaps he will be mentioned, but that's it). Everybody will simply think about the guy from the last film. And once in the film, we find the twist: it's not Wilson Fisk, the Kingpin of earth-1610 of Miles Morales, but Matt Murdock, the Kingpin of earth-65 of Gwen Stacy. |
| 526 | * To make it better,the Kingpin will be played by Charlie Cox. I mean, the guy was almost cast as Loki, so why not ham it up and play an evil version of Daredevil. |
| 527 | ** Jossed. |
| 528 | |
| 529 | [[WMG:Ben Reilly will appear and play a important role in the sequel.]] |
| 530 | A clone of Miles' Peter created some time before his death who'll come out of hiding to help with the current situation because he feels guilty about not being there to save the original Peter. (Plus it'll be a great excuse to bring back Chris Pine.) |
| 531 | ** Jossed. Ben Reilly/Scarlet Spider appears as a joke character. |
| 532 | |
| 533 | [[WMG: There will be a Me and The Boys reference]] |
| 534 | * Jossed. |
| 535 | |
| 536 | [[WMG: The Peter from Mile's universe will come back to life]] |
| 537 | In the ending years of the Ultimate Comics universe Peter returned, [[spoiler:indeed the end of [[ComicBook/SpiderMen Spider Men 2]] revealed that in the restored universe he's back to being Spider Man]]. It quite possibly would make sense for Peter to return at some point. Possibly even return in a BigDamnHeroes moment. |
| 538 | * Jossed. |
| 539 | |
| 540 | [[WMG: Spider-Ham's hammer will be a BrickJoke and a ChekhovsGun]] |
| 541 | |
| 542 | [[WMG: Mister Negative will be the main villain.]] |
| 543 | Taking influence from the [[VideoGame/SpiderManPS4 PS4 Spider-Man]] version, he was an ordinary man who gained his powers from the dimensional glitches caused by Kingpin's Super-Collider. After he accidently killed his family when he lost control of his new powers, he desires to get revenge on not just the Kingpin, but on the Kingpin in ''every'' universe, leading him to rebuild the Super-Collider and go on a cross-dimensional RoaringRampageOfRevenge. His main threat will come from his army of "Inner Demons"--Spider-Men and -Women from across the multiverse that he's corrupted with his powers into becoming his slaves. |
| 544 | * Jossed. [[spoiler:Instead, the Spot is the one that goes on a cross-dimensional RoaringRampageOfRevenge against Miles for ruining his life... [[EvilIsPetty and hitting him with a bagel]].]] |
| 545 | |
| 546 | [[WMG: Swiss Miss will appear]] |
| 547 | Because why not have some SelfDeprecation against that embarassment? |
| 548 | |
| 549 | [[WMG:One of the villains will be the Bodega Bandit]] |
| 550 | Because he's comedy gold. |
| 551 | * Jossed. |
| 552 | |
| 553 | [[WMG: Peter Ramsey, Bob Persichetti, and Rodney Rothman will appear before the film starts with a very special special message for fans of the first film]] |
| 554 | All in unison: "We directed the first one! Not Lord & Miller! It was us! Good day!" |
| 555 | * Jossed. |
| 556 | |
| 557 | [[WMG: Spencer or Alistair Smythe will be the main villain]] |
| 558 | And they want to use their spider-slayers to kill every Spider-Man in the universe. And they should be a CompleteMonster. |
| 559 | ** Leopardon, Megamorph Spiderman and Peni will play a prominent role in stopping them. The title? ''Into the Spiderverse 2: [[VideoGame/SuperRobotWars Spider Robot Wars]]''. |
| 560 | * Jossed. The Spot is the main villain. |
| 561 | |
| 562 | [[WMG: The plot will revolve around Miles visiting alternate dimensions]] |
| 563 | Maybe he bumps into Miguel O'Hara, then shenanigans ensue that ultimately lead to Miles trying to get back to his home dimension while visiting the Spider-Men from the first movie. |
| 564 | * Partially confirmed. |
| 565 | |
| 566 | [[WMG: The sequel will be rated PG-13]] |
| 567 | ''Into The Spider-Verse'' was already fairly dark for a modern PG-rated movie, and indeed at one point the Internet Movie Database erroneously listed it as being rated PG-13 (the standard rating for live-action superhero movies). While a PG-13 animated film from an American studio seems like an unlikely event, but in fact Sony Pictures Animation is planning to expand into more adult-oriented films in the near future, with projects like ''Fixed'' and ''The Black Knight''. From that perspective, a PG-13 sequel to the already boundary-pushing ''Into The Spider-Verse'' actually makes sense, because it would make the movie more competitive with live-action superhero movies. |
| 568 | * Jossed. ''Across the Spider-Verse'' is rated PG. |
| 569 | |
| 570 | [[WMG: Miles will meet alternate versions of his Uncle Aaron.]] |
| 571 | There are so many possibilities... |
| 572 | |
| 573 | * A version where Aaron is still the Prowler, and Miles has to fight him ''again''. |
| 574 | ** Alternatively, a version where Aaron as the Prowler isn't just a henchman, but a terrifying BigBad in his own right. |
| 575 | * A version where Aaron is a normal, law-abiding citizen, possibly still being close with his brother, and Miles sees what might have been. |
| 576 | * A version where Aaron is Spider-Man. Because it'd be ''awesome''. |
| 577 | * A version that switches places with Jefferson. |
| 578 | *** [[spoiler:Confirmed.]] |
| 579 | |
| 580 | [[WMG: One of the new Spider-People that Miles and the gang teams up with will actually be an alternate-universe Mysterio, who has stolen their Spider-Man's identity after having defeated/accidentally killed them, for fame and glory.]] |
| 581 | Bonus points if they aren't even malevolent, having [[BecomingTheMask become the mask]] after years pretending to be a hero, and their past as Mysterio has become a NeverLiveItDown / ILetGwenStacyDie situation as they learned the fulfillment that came from doing good turns for their own sake. |
| 582 | * Jossed. |
| 583 | |
| 584 | [[WMG: If any of the major [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy live]] [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries action]] [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse Spider-Men]] were to appear]] |
| 585 | They will be presented using the RogerRabbitEffect. |
| 586 | * Confirmed, though it's [[spoiler:the MCU Prowler]] that appears. |
| 587 | |
| 588 | [[WMG: The sequel will have a BittersweetEnding that will involve the ''death'' of one of the Spider-Men.]] |
| 589 | Will it be one of the main six from the first movie? I doubt it. Miles won't die because he's the main character, Gwen, Peter B, Noir and Ham still have a bit of character possibilities to go through. Same with Peni, and she's extra safe because she's a child still. However, it's possible that one of the new Spider-people introduced could wind up dead by movies end, proving Spider-Ham's point that you can't save everyone. |
| 590 | * Jossed |
| 591 | |
| 592 | [[WMG: Peter B. and his Mary Jane will be remarried, and parents.]] |
| 593 | Specifically the parents of May "May-Day" Parker, aka ComicBook/SpiderGirl. She'll be just a couple of years younger than Miles and Gwen when she appears, giving Miles a chance to play the older brother for once. |
| 594 | * Bonus points: It will be pointed out that time goes at a faster rate in Peter B's time line than in the other time lines. Miles and Gwen will both quip, "Well, Einstein said, time's relative." |
| 595 | *** Confirmed. Although here, Mayday is a baby. |
| 596 | |
| 597 | [[WMG: Peter B. and Mary Jane have adopted a child.]] |
| 598 | Given their ages, they may have left it too late to have biological children. |
| 599 | * Jossed. |
| 600 | |
| 601 | [[WMG: The Spider-Men might find a way to travel across realities without the threat of being erased from existence in the process]] |
| 602 | It's possible the filmmakers might think just having the ending be "the Spiders go back to their original dimension" could be a little ''too'' similar to the ending of the first movie. Plus, this would leave stuff open for a Spider-Verse 3. |
| 603 | * Given that the recent "Across the Spider-Verse" trailer showed characters traveling to different universes through hexagon-shaped tunnels, this is entirely possible. |
| 604 | ** Confirmed. There's tech that mitigates glitching. |
| 605 | |
| 606 | [[WMG: One of the alternate universes will be a reference to ''WesternAnimation/RudolphTheRedNosedReindeer1964''.]] |
| 607 | As a joke about how 1967 Spider-Man was voiced by Hermey's voice actor Creator/PaulSoles, and many of the other actors in that special also appeared in the sixties series. (For instance, the Scorpion was the Head Elf, and J. Jonah Jameson was Donner.) Maybe in the form of one of the alternate universe Spider-People being a stop-motion elf resembling Hermey. |
| 608 | * Jossed. |
| 609 | |
| 610 | [[WMG: The rebuilt SP//dr will resemble the comic version]] |
| 611 | The first movie used a much more child-friendly version of the robot than the Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion-inspired one in the comics, but since Peni has to make a new one she'll style it after her favourite anime. Everyone will either be surprised that she likes something with such dark themes, or she'll be oblivious to said themes and only watch it for the cool robots. |
| 612 | * [[spoiler:Confirmed.]] |
| 613 | |
| 614 | [[WMG: There will be a brief flash to the events of Film/SpiderManNoWayHome]] |
| 615 | Not in a major way, but the climax could hurl the heroes and villains across multiple dimensions very quickly. Miles could briefly land in the MCU ([[RogerRabbitEffect still a cartoon, of course]]), see that Peter dealing with his own battles, and quickly hop away again. |
| 616 | * Jossed. However, Miguel distastefully references the events of NWH. |
| 617 | |
| 618 | [[WMG: There will be some reference to WesternAnimation/SpideyAndHisAmazingFriends]] |
| 619 | With some little humor like Peter B. maybe making a reference to Carnage when seeing SAHAF Miles' red webbing or Miles asking why his name is Spin. |
| 620 | * Jossed. |
| 621 | |
| 622 | [[WMG: Miles & Gwen will share an ''[[TheBigDamnKiss upside-down kiss]]'' near the climax.]] |
| 623 | Bonus points if Gwen is the one hanging from the thread. |
| 624 | * Jossed. |
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