Line #9 Podcast/AliceIsntDead


1	[[quoteright:350:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/image_730.jpeg]]
2	[[caption-width-right:350:I love you, Alice. I don't forgive you. But I love you.]]
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4	-> ''We are nothing if not absurd. We are nothing.''
5	-->--'''the Narrator'''
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7	''Alice Isn't Dead'' is a serial SurrealHorror[=/=]SurrealHumor podcast from Creator/NightValePresents, produced by [[http://disparition.info/ Disparition]] and written by Creator/JosephFink. It details the life of a long haul trucker looking for her wife, the titular Alice. Along the way she runs across a [[HumanoidAbomination disturbing individual]] who seems to be stalking her for some purpose or another, as well as several other run-ins with the paranormal. Despite all this, she remains determined to find Alice and get an explanation for why she vanished, [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor come hell or high water.]]
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9	Like its predecessor, ''Welcome to Night Vale'', ''Alice Isn't Dead'' balances humor and horror, though it aims to differentiate itself with a {{darker\|AndEdgier}} tone and a pre-determined end date. It aired every other week on Tuesdays, and can be found on [[https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/alice-isnt-dead/id1088978354 iTunes]], [[http://aliceisntdead.libsyn.com/ Libsyn]], and the [[http://www.nightvalepresents.com/aliceisntdead Night Vale Presents]] website. Part One ran in 2016 from March 8th through July 12th, Part Two ran in 2017 from April 4th through August 8th, and Part Three, the final part, aired in 2018 from April 24th through August 25th.
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11	A [[{{Novelization}} novel adaptation]] of the podcast was released on October 30th, 2018, written by Joseph Fink, and an audiobook was released voiced by Creator/JasikaNicole.
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13	Not to be confused with ''VideoGame/AliceIsDead''.
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15	!!The Podcast contains examples of:
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17	* AliceAllusion: Right there in the title. The narrator is going through a bunch of bizarre events and goes down a rabbit hole of conspiracies and situations that just keep getting weirder to find her wife.
18	* AmbiguousSituation: Whatever happened to Alice, she is [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin definitely not dead,]] but we have yet to find out what exactly happened to her or made her disappear.
19	** Finally revealed in Part 3.
20	* AmbiguouslyHuman: The Thistle Man is described as a human male, but there's enough in his mannerisms, [[UncannyValley slightly just-too-repulsive]] physical description, and speech to suggest that he isn't. [[spoiler: Eating Earl, his possible OffscreenTeleportation, [[UnusuallyUninterestingSight the way people just seem to not notice him no matter what he does]], and his apparent ability to pacify people with a touch, all add fuel to the fire.]]
21	** The woman masquerading as a cop later called [[spoiler: Thistle]] is also this. She seems human enough at first, but there's ''just'' enough things wrong with her to make everyone around her uneasy. Most evident in the fact that she [[spoiler: can regenerate and come back to life after death.]]
22	* AnachronicOrder: The [[CaptainsLog narrator's audio diary entries]] appear disorganized and recorded over in places, with each switch signaled by the static of her CB radio. This results in MoodWhiplash when the recording abruptly shifts from her fearful recounting of terrible events to pleasant, philosophical musings on the scenery, then back again.
23	* AndShowItToYou: {{Inverted\|Trope}} in "Omelet," when the Thistle Man slowly and casually inflicts a mortal injury on a hapless victim as a private "demonstration" for the narrator after asking if she wants to "see sumthin' funny." [[spoiler: He bites off a chunk of a man's flesh at the site of an artery, and as his victim exsanguinates, keeps digging out flesh from the wound to eat, purely to show off.]]
24	* ArbitrarySkepticism: After everything she's been through, Alice still scoffs at the mere idea of aliens.
25	* AttendingYourOwnFuneral: {{Inverted}} in "The Factory by the Sea," where Praxis Industries employee Jack has the unwitting but cooperative narrator join him to bear witness to his funeral, a BurialAtSea. [[spoiler: She helps him, still living, into his coffin, and pushes it off to sea as though it were a boat, while he shuts the lid on himself.]]
26	* TheBadGuysAreCops: In "Nothing to See," the narrator learns the hard way that she'll get no help with her search for Alice or against her HumanoidAbomination pursuer. Not only does a DirtyCop ignore her complaints and treat her as a nuisance, [[spoiler: he does so due to open familiarity with the Thistle Man, and chides her to do as he says.]] Later, she realizes the scope of the corruption as she endures an IncrediblyObviousTail by police car.
27	** Season 2's BigBad wears a police outfit, although it becomes very clear very quickly that she is '''not''' a cop.
28	* BeautifulVoid: ZigZagged as the narrator vacillates in describing her surroundings with her shifts in mood. In "Omelet," the Narrator ambivalently [[FauxlosophicNarration meditates]] on the nature of the night sky, and whether it's more apt to describe it as "beautiful," or "nothing." In context, she's musing wistfully and nihilistically in the aftermath of being traumatized by a HumanoidAbomination stalker. Subsequently, she articulates a mild fear of particularly [[NothingIsScarier empty]] vistas like flatlands, until in "Nothing to See," she's actually ''relieved'' by the pleasant way Kansas grasslands offer "[[TitleDrop nothing to see]]." Then she hears [[DangerTakesABackseat noises]] from her trailer, and her fear and isolation are underscored yet again.
29	* BewareOfHitchhikingGhosts: GenderInverted and ZigZagged in "Alice," wherein an elderly man stuck in a GroundhogDayLoop which confines him to the mobile VanishingVillage of Charlatan [[InvokedTrope attempts]] an escape by manifesting in the cab of the visiting the narrator's truck and silently pointing to the road out of town. The silence as he enters the truck suggests that he's [[OffscreenTeleportation intangible]], and may be a ghost. [[spoiler:The Narrator escapes the loop, but sees the man restored to his usual mark in her rearview mirror.]] The Narrator is unable to make sense of events, and never gets an answer as to the nature of the town or its people.
30	* BigDamnHeroes: Pulled off in "Thistle" when [[spoiler:the narrator is saved from the remaining Thistle Men by an armed, uniformed group... who happen to work for Bay & Creek Shipping, the same company as the narrator]].
31	%%* BigGood: The Oracles turn out to be this, being the opposite number of the Thistle Men.
32	* BurialAtSea: In "The Factory by the Sea," the Narrator witnesses the strange, LonelyFuneral of Praxis Industries employee Jack, on a jetty outside the NightmarishFactory where he works. [[spoiler: She helps him into his coffin, and pushes it off the jetty. Then he shuts the lid on himself, and she watches it float away.]]
33	* CanOnlyMoveTheEyes: As recounted by the Narrator in "Omelet," under the effects of the Thistle Man's power, VictimizedBystander Earl doesn't so much as twitch or cry out when mortally wounded, only silently weeps.
34	* CaptainsLog: The story takes the form of the narrator, a long-haul trucker, recording audio diary entries[=/=]letters to her wife Alice in the cabin of her truck, while fleeing a HumanoidAbomination stalker.
35	* ChekhovsGunman: In season 1, "Praxis" only appears in one episode, seemingly bizzare filler of the same sort as "Alice." Season 2 has them come back- and if the hints are anything to go by, [[spoiler: Praxis may be the '''actual''' BigGood in the series.]]
36	* ConnectTheDeaths: In "Alice," the Narrator {{Implie\|d}}s that she collated, then eventually began to map out each sighting of Alice in the background of news reports on various deaths and disasters.
37	-->'''Narrator:''' I made a list of every place I saw you on the news, and that list became a map of America.
38	* TheConspiracy: Alice seems to have been involved in one before her disappearance, relating to three things that she wrote about a lot; The Cumberland Project, Vector H, and Bay & Creek Shipping[[spoiler:, the company The Narrator now works for.]]
39	** Season 2 doubles down on it; [[spoiler: the entire war between the Thistle men and Bay & Creek Shipping is all one big farce- Bay & Creek Shipping works for the US government just as the Thistle men do, with [[KansasCityShuffle B&CS providing a fake resistance that reassures anyone who DOES learn too much that the situation is being handled]]. That said, most workers for B&CS don't know they're the bad guys.]]
40	%%* ContemplateOurNavels: The Narrator has a habit of this.
41	* CovertGroupWithMundaneFront: Bay & Creek Shipping, the trucking company for whom the narrator now works to {{Exploit\|ed}} the job's mobility in her search for Alice, featured most heavily in Alice's scattered documentation of TheConspiracy. It hauls thoroughly mundane cargo like travel-sized deodorant and paper products.
42	* CowardlyLion: The narrator often talks about her anxiety and how scared she is of everything. Alice mentions she's always been like this. Nonetheless, she [[spoiler: beats a Thistle Man to death with nothing but her bare hands. ''Multiple times!'']]
43	* DangerTakesABackseat: In "Nothing to See," the narrator is troubled by the sound of footsteps in her trailer, only to check it twice, find nothing and ''still'' hear noises, [[spoiler: until the third check, where the Thistle Man reveals himself, then makes a point of attacking her ''in public'' to [[ExploitedTrope display]] how easy it is, and how no one will help. The police, as it turns out, are in his pocket.]]
44	* DarkerAndEdgier: It is explicitly described as being darker in theme and content than ''Podcast/WelcomeToNightVale'' by Disparition.
45	** Season 2 seems to be going the darker route as well. The narrator compares the new BigBad to the Thistle Men, saying
46	--->'''Narrator:''' They were hungry, but she... she was smart.
47	%%* DeadGuyJunior: [[spoiler: Alice and Keisha named their daughter after Sylvia.]]
48	* DistantFinale: The series finale [[spoiler:recaps the rest of Alice and Keisha's lives together, up until they happily die of old age.]]
49	* EarnYourHappyEnding: [[spoiler: After all the hell Keisha and Alice go through over the course of the show, they deal a large blow to Thistle and Bay and Creek, and then get to live the rest of their life together, peacefully. [[BabiesEverAfter They even have a daughter]], named [[DeadGuyJunior Sylvia.]]]]
50	* EldritchLocation:
51	** In "Omelet," the Narrator [[DiscussedTrope observes]] one of these from a distance, commenting on how very creepy an EvilTowerOfOminousness looks from her vantage point driving past it in her truck. However, it is implied to only be the old smelt stack in Anaconda, Montana.
52	** In "Alice," the town of Charlatan, which The Narrator goes through multiple times, despite not turning back around to go back through it. [[spoiler: The situation also changes each time she goes through it, but stays similar as well; there is always the same set of places and people doing similar things, but with distinct changes each time. The first time it is fairly normal, the second time everyone is distinctly looking away from her, the third the entire town is burning around her, and the fourth everyone seems to be crying.]]
53	** It seems [[spoiler: Praxis]] specializes in this- specifically [[spoiler: locations that violate the laws of time and/or space.]]
54	* EpistolaryNovel: Though ''Dead'' takes the form of a CaptainsLog, it's also a monologic epistolary. In her logs, the narrator speaks throughout as though she's addressing her wife, Alice, occasionally adding commentary that implies she expects Alice to listen through them if they reunite.
55	-->'''Narrator:''' I know what you're thinking, Alice. "This is intentional avoidance." I don't have to explain myself to you. But I will.
56	* EscapeFromTheCrazyPlace: In "Alice," when the distressingly mobile VanishingVillage Charlatan insists on reappearing multiple times despite her driving away from it, illustrating a curious GroundhogDayLoop with bonus horrible violations of the laws of physics, the Narrator becomes increasingly desperate waiting for the stoplight to change so she can depart. So are the citizens of Charlatan, judging by the weeping elderly man who attempts to escape [[spoiler: by teleporting into the cab of her truck and mutely pointing to the road, only to be locked back into his loop as she leaves for the last time.]]
57	* EvilTowerOfOminousness: In "Omelet," the Narrator is disturbed by the strange, unreal [[AlienGeometries visual quality]] of a tower she sees incongruously jutting out of a hillside in the distance. This tower is implied to be the smelt stack located in Anaconda, Montana.
58	-->'''Narrator:''' Creepy. Gut creepy, like something gone wrong. Like a terrible crime.
59	* FauxlosophicNarration: {{Discussed\|Trope}} and PlayedForDrama by the narrator in "Omelet", as out of nowhere, she begins a long, ambivalent digression on the pointlessness of ascribing traits to the night sky, which is a void of nothingness. Though she self-deprecatingly notes that the listener can ignore her, she says that humans are also nothing. Abruptly, she reveals that she witnessed a HumanoidAbomination casually murdering a man, which gives her prior nihilistic musings context as a coping mechanism for her fear.
60	* GhostShip: One's featured in episode 2 of season 2. It's been floating at the mouth of the Columbia River for over 30 years with no visible crew or anything holding it in place, and anyone who tries to investigate it disappears. As a result the townspeople refuse to talk about it or acknowledge it. [[spoiler:It's destroyed at the end of the episode when a cargo ship collides with it]].
61	* GilliganCut: A rare audio-only example in "Sylvia":
62	-->'''Narrator:''' I snorted and shook my head. "Sylvia, I am an adult, okay? I am an adult woman with a job, and that job says that I have to go to the distribution center, not drive a teenager hundreds of miles to a town I've never heard of, for reasons that that kid won't even tell me. I am a responsible goddamn adult!"\
63	''[radio cuts out, then back in]''\
64	'''Narrator:''' Swansea is not the most bustling of towns...
65	* GoingInCircles: In "Alice" a power of mobile VanishingVillage Charlatan, which appears four times in different locations, forcing the narrator to drive through it to bear witness to a physics-defying GroundhogDayLoop.
66	* GroundhogDayLoop: ZigZagged in "Alice" where the truck-driving narrator repeatedly encounters the mobile, looping VanishingVillage of Charlatan, where residents are perpetually reenacting the same motions, but in increasingly bizarre and disturbing contexts. First they behave normally, [[spoiler: then stay frozen in their places while covered in muck, then exist in a total inferno while burning to death, then finally compulsively weep in a normal environment,]] but in the final visit, one of the townsfolk attempts to escape. In a peculiar variation, the narrator isn't able to make sense of the loop's cause, or understand what triggered her own escape.
67	-->'''Narrator:''' I don’t know what this meant. I only know that its meaning does not include me. I am not necessary to it.
68	* HappilyEverAfter: DeconstructedTrope in the final episode. [[spoiler: Keisha and Alice make up, forgive each other, learn to live with their trauma and live happily for many years before dying of old age... but Thistle is simply waiting and it's implied that their daughter will have to take up the fight again.]]
69	* HeroComplex: Both the narrator and Alice have one, though the narrator [[spoiler: does occasionally have to remind herself she can't solve all problems by herself, especially dealing with the Thistle Men]]. Alice even gets involved with the fight against the Thistle Men this way.
70	* HumanoidAbomination: See AmbiguouslyHuman
71	* HumansAreTheRealMonsters: Subverted in Part 2, Chapter 10, "Why Am I Alive?", Keisha and Thistle have this exchange:
72	-->[[spoiler:'''Keisha:''' You're all monsters.]]
73	-->[[spoiler:'''Thistle:''' Melodramatic...]]
74	-->[[spoiler:'''Keisha:''' No, I mean you're actually monsters. You're not human. You're something, I don't know what... you're predators.]]
75	-->[[spoiler:'''Thistle:''' Well that is ''close'' to the truth, I suppose, but ''very'' judgy. Just cuz we're not human, we're monsters? Humans can be pretty monstrous.]]
76	-->[[spoiler:'''Keisha:''' Hmmph. Save your equivocating for someone you ''don't'' have handcuffed in an interrogation room.]]
77	-->[[spoiler:'''Thistle:''' Fair.]]
78	* ImAHumanitarian: [[spoiler: The Thistle Man eats Earl near the end of episode one, as a set-up for how off-putting and horrific he really is.]]
79	* InMediasRes: The story starts after Alice's supposed death, and in the midst of the narrator's flight from her stalker. She spends the bulk of the first episode recounting her first meeting with him. Also, some of her recordings are cut off by other recordings.
80	* ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies / TheMasqueradeWillKillYourDatingLife: [[spoiler: Alice's reasoning for abandoning her wife; her enemies were targeting Bay & Creek employees' families, so she simply disappeared so that Keisha would never have to face that sort of danger. A plan which, as Keisha points out, backfired rather spectacularly.]]
81	* IWillOnlySlowYouDown: Alice tries to pull this in 3.03, [[spoiler: telling Keisha to go go on without her after a Thistle Man catches her and starts choking her. Keisha, of course, has had it up to here with Alice's over-protectiveness.]]
82	-->'''[[spoiler: Keisha]]''': Well, [[PrecisionFStrike fuck that and fuck the thistle men.]]
83	* JigsawPuzzlePlot: Very little is known from the start, other than Alice's supposed death and The Narrator's quest to find her. There's seemingly some kind of country-wide conspiracy going on, [[spoiler:which is incidentally opposed to the narrator finding Alice; the police are in on it, and the Thistle Man works for them.]]
84	* LoveAtFirstSight: DiscussedTrope.
85	-->'''[[spoiler: Keisha]]''': Did I know from the first time I saw you, Alice? It feels like I did. But I think our memories of these things get clouded. Maybe I didn’t think anything but "Hey, she’s cute." But now in my memory, I remember thinking about my plan to stay single and looking at you, and then thinking... "Well, ''shit''."
86	* NoNameGiven: The Thistle Man hasn't had his real name revealed, if he even has a real name. The Narrator named him after the monogram on his shirt.
87	** Until the end of series 1 the only names we had for The Narrator were nicknames given by Alice: Chipmunk and Chanterelle. Neither of them could remember where the latter name came from.
88	---> [[spoiler:'''Alice''']]: Who calls their wife by their actual name, right? Boring people, that's who.
89	** [[spoiler: We learn the name of The Narrator in episode 10. Alice calls her Keisha.]]
90	* NotQuiteDead: Pulled off by an Oracle. They're already dead but come back to life just long enough to warn Alice and Keisha to run from some Thistle Men. Justified in that Oracles exist outside of normal time and space, so it's quite possible that they simply came forward for a few moments from what seemed like the characters' past to exist in their present.
91	* NotSoOmniscientAfterAll: The whole of season 2 has the BigBad appear as such a threat because she's always stalking the narrator, knows way too much about her, and can follow her anywhere. Unlike the Thistle man, she spends a lot of time quietly stalking "her prey." And then during her attempted BreakThemByTalking moment in episode 10, [[spoiler: she turns out to know nothing about Keisha's interactions with Praxis.]]
92	* PreserveYourGays: Well, right there in the title it says that Alice, who is a lesbian, is not dead when the story kicks off. [[spoiler: Both Keisha and Alice survive all the harrowing events of the show to [[EarnYourHappyEnding Earn Their Happy Ending.]]]]
93	* RammingAlwaysWorks: The black boat in season 2 episode 2 [[spoiler:is sunk when a mundane cargo ship crushes it. Though the cargo ship starts sinking too, slowly enough for the crew to be evacuated.]]
94	* RapidAging: When The narrator first meets Jacky in "The Factory By The Sea" he is no more than eighteen. After she follows him inside the factory, he ages—first into his thirties, then into his fifties or sixties—and says he is Jack, hasn't been called Jacky in a long time. By the time they get to the beach, he's at least in his late seventies. Then as he drifts out to sea [[spoiler: in the coffin she helped him build]], all she sees is a tiny, frail hand, suggesting he is now 90 or more. All this takes place over just a few hours.
95	* SpiritualSuccessor: To ''Podcast/WelcomeToNightVale'', being written by the same people and featuring one of the stars from that show. It also features the music of Disparition who also produces the series.
96	* SupernaturalRepellent: The smell of heather oil repels the [[HumanoidAbomination Thistle Man]], so when she goes to confront him, The Narrator slathers herself in it and shoves some whole heather branches into his mouth.
97	* SurrealHorror: Similar to ''Podcast/WelcomeToNightVale'' but with much less humor. Strange and frightening things happen, only the narrator isn't totally inured to it.
98	%%* TheMirrorShowsYourTrueSelf: Brilliantly played with, see the page image.
99	* ViolentlyProtectiveGirlfriend: Or wife in this case. When a Thistle Man threatens to kill Alice, Keisha [[spoiler: beats him to death with ''her bare hands''.]] Fuck the Thistle Man indeed.
100	* WasItAllALie: [[spoiler:The Narrator dejectedly asks Alice this, after scouring her laptop and discovering that all her supposed work trips were a cover-up for whatever she was doing for Bay & Creek Shipping.]]
101	* WasOnceAMan: [[spoiler: The Thistle Men. All of them were humans that were so disgusting and hateful that it began to warp them physically and mentally, to a point they are only superficially recognizable as human.]]
102	** The Oracles as well, though more benevolently. In chapter 29, [[spoiler: it happens to Sylvia.]]
103	--->“I want you to know that I chose this,” she said. “I could have gone another way, but I wanted this.” Then her face was gone, and there was only the empty black of the Oracle.
104	* WhamEpisode:
105	** Signs & Wonders. [[spoiler:Alice knows the Narrator is looking for her, and she wants her to stop. Oh, and the Narrator is no longer alone in her journey.]]
106	** The Other Town. [[spoiler: There's a second thistle man. There's a whole ''town'' full of thistle men. The episode ends with the Narrator deciding she's completely outmatched and giving up.]]
107	** Go Home Again. [[spoiler: The thistle men are hanging around the Narrator's house, presumably playing with her before they kill her. And they know where Sylvia is hiding. [[GodzillaThreshold Might as well]] [[RammingAlwaysWorks crash the truck straight into their town]]. Then Alice shows up.]]
108	** Thistle. [[spoiler: Alice and the narrator - real name Keisha - briefly reunite. Keisha rams her truck into the thistle men's town, briefly subdues The Thistle Man (the first one she met) with heather grass, and then ''beats him to death'' with her bare hands. The other thistle men are chased off by a secret army...revealed to be working for Bay & Creek Shipping.]]
109	** Why Am I Alive? [[spoiler: Thistle and Bay & Creek Shipping are on the same side, though it's unclear if all of their employees know that. Praxis is confirmed as a third party. Then Alice shows up again!]]
110	** What Happened To Hank Thompson? [[spoiler: To answer the question posed by the title, Hank Thompson was such a horrible, violent, hateful human being that he slowly turned into a Thistle Man. According to an Oracle (who, incidentally, perceives time simultaneously à la [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} Dr. Manhattan]]), Thistle Men are not born that way; they were all human beings once, each so hateful and violent that it literally robbed them of their humanity.]]
111	* WhamLine:
112	** The very end of "Go Home Again":
113	---> [[spoiler:Alice...Alice, ''is that you?!'']]
114	** Two from "Thistle":
115	---> "Who do you work for?" "Who do ''[[TomatoInTheMirror you]]'' work for?"
116	---> [[spoiler:"Right. [[SequelHook You haven't even heard from me yet.]]"]]
117	** From "Why Am I Alive?":
118	---> [[spoiler:"You're only alive because you haven't died yet."]] Though it takes a little while for Keisha to fully understand the importance of this statement.
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121	!!The novel contains examples of:
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123	* AdaptationalEarlyAppearance: [[spoiler:Praxis and the people in the hoodies appear much earlier in the novel than they do in the podcast.]]
124	* AdaptationExpansion: The novel takes some underutilized concepts from the podcast and expands on them. Such examples include:
125	** [[spoiler:Alice's backstory and reasoning, while present in the podcast, is much more in detail here. The same goes for the police woman's backstory, which was only hinted at during her first appearance in the podcast.]]
126	** [[spoiler:One of the biggest expansions was one of the victims of the Thistle Man, Cynthia O'Brian. While dead, her story is what truly separates the novel from the podcast. While all the victims get their backstory told, Cynthia is relevant to the plot.]]
127	** Additionally, the characters of Lynn (only present in the podcast during the Los Angeles live performance) and Mercy the librarian (who was an extremely minor character in the podcast) were expanded on in the podcast.
128	* AdaptedOut: While plenty of things were expanded upon, an equal amount of things were removed, including:
129	** [[spoiler:Everything regarding the town of Charlatan, The Factory by the Sea, the black barge, the Praxis chain restaurants, the Tradewinds Tiki Motel, and the speakers connected to another world are removed, including the characters that revolve around them. Charlatan, the factory by the sea, and the black barge, however, get a small mention in a book later in the story. A similar chapter revolving around a hotel changing Keisha and Alice's road trip also occurs later in the novel, taking place after the failure of the news story, instead of before.]]
130	* DeadGuyJunior: Alice and Keisha name [[spoiler: their daughter Sylvia Cynthia after "two of the bravest women" they ever knew.]]
131	* {{Novelization}}
132	* PragmaticAdaptation: The moving from podcast to novel came with plenty of changes, the biggest of which is changing the narrative from first person to third person. The overall plot is the same, however.
133	** Due to the structure of the novel, certain plot points, while leading to the same ending, lead the Narrator to different places. One of the biggest changes is [[spoiler:the Season 2 finale, the confrontation between Keisha and the police woman, which was moved from a Bay and Creek base to a library. As such, instead of learning that Bay and Creek and Thistle are the same from the police woman, she learns it from the notes of Cynthia O'Brian.]]
134	* StableTimeLoop: Sylvia looks in both the podcast and novel in vain for the Oracle who [[spoiler: saved her from the Thistle Man.]] It's eventually revealed the Oracle is [[spoiler: ''her''. She's orchestrated everything that happened to her past self by saving her when she was still human. Alas, she also reveals to do this she had to let her mother die, something that will always be [[MyGreatestFailure her greatest failure.]]]]

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