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11	[[caption-width-right:350:[-Clockwise from right: 1) She is gripping the bow like a pistol (and she will slap her wrist with the bowstring). Her hand should be at 45 degrees. 2) She is drawing across her body and will almost certainly hit her breast with the bowstring. 3) The bowstring should be drawn back to touch her nose or cheek. 4) Her elbow should be above her shoulder.-]]]
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14	->''"Katniss always pulls back her bowstring a good 10-15 seconds before she shoots. Now, I'm no expert on archery, but even I know this means either A): Katniss has muscles of pure titanium [...] or B): the draw weight on all of her bows has been so laughable her arrows should've been bouncing off anyone wearing thick clothing!"''
15	-->-- '''[[WebVideo/TheDomReviews Dominic Noble]]''', on ''Film/TheHungerGames''
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18	Most writers, unsurprisingly, are not practiced archers, and the pastime is rare enough in the modern day that consultants are not always easy to find. Add on 100+ years of Hollywood doing what it likes with any subject matter, and certain errors have become compounded to the point of being commonplace. Many of these are the result of ignorant creators assuming that familiar GunsAndGunplayTropes can simply happen in exactly the same way with bows. Modern depictions, aided by CGI that is not tied to the real world in any way, often misrepresent both the best practices of archery and the physics involved.
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20	[[AC:Common mistakes (or bouts of artistic license) include:]]
21	* Misrepresenting the draw strength of a bow. A good war bow can have a draw strength of around 150 pounds, the equivalent of lifting a small barbell every time you fire it. Rigorous physical training is needed even to draw such a bow, much less loose it accurately.
22	* Holding a bow at full draw for a significant period of time while threatening a target or taking aim. See draw weight above. Muscles aren't meant to hold tension for a long time and will become shaky after a couple of seconds, decreasing accuracy or at worst accidentally loosing the arrow. The practice in real life is to aim, then draw immediately before firing. Modern ''compound'' bows have mechanical parts that allow for "let off" of much of the weight at full draw (and lower weight to begin with), making holding it more reasonable. Longbows or recurve bows simply cannot be shot this way unless magic is involved.
23	* Misrepresenting the range and penetration of an arrow. The best historical longbow would have been able to shoot up to 400 yards, with a modern bow perhaps doubling that range. An arrow from a war bow could penetrate even modern body armor with luck, but not plate steel, and nothing could make it go all the way through a target, even an unarmored squishy human. Real arrows will also not stick in concrete and similar materials, although they might dent them. Loosing an arrow into concrete will damage the arrow at best and reflect it back at the archer (or a bystander) at worst.
24	* Depictions of an arrow in flight will often show the shaft remaining straight. In reality, the shaft of an arrow flexes and wobbles while in flight, due to the stress imparted onto it by the bow.
25	* Bows that remain in their resting shape when drawn while the string extends. In real bows, the string is always the same length -- it's the limbs that flex backwards and, in so doing, store energy that released in the arrow when the archer looses it. This is why the best bow-making woods, like yew, are the ones with the most innate elasticity.
26	* Lack of protective equipment. Archers in all time periods wore various gear to protect their hands and arms from the power of their own bows. Eye protection is also recommended.
27	* Leaving a bow strung when not in use or loosing it without an arrow loaded. Both of these can damage the bow.
28	* Hanging the quiver on your back. Real archers generally have their quiver hanging by their side, usually opposite side from their dominant hand. Reaching behind your back to grab an arrow takes more time and is more tiring for your arm than taking one out of a hip-mounted quiver.
29	* A common terminology has a work's narration say that people ''fire'' a bow as a back-formation from firearm terminology. The correct expression is to ''loose'' or ''release'' an arrow.
30	* Showing a fully-drawn bow shorter than its bowstring, common in illustration, animation, and video games. Such a setup would be impossible to use in real life.
31	* As a lot of arrows in live-action are CGI, very often the procedure to notch an arrow is completely wrong. With the usual grip having the palm facing inward, and the bow being Mediterranean grip [[note]]This is the one where you use the middle three fingers to draw the string with the bow held between the index and middle finger and the arrow rested on the bow's aiming slot opposite to the draw hand. Right-handed bows have their arrows rested on the aiming apparatus on the left side[[/note]]. The typical draw is the person drawing the arrow with two strings, and then somehow immediately docking it and drawing it back. This is literally impossible with the usual Mediterranean grip in one fluid motion, because the bow itself is in the way. This would require the archer to lower the bow to properly notch the arrow, before drawing and loosing it, but this is almost always skipped over. The only way to do this in one fluid motion with the bow facing upward would be to have the palm outward, which [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1t48TG4AIc is possible]] but [[ImprobableUseOfAWeapon unconventional]].
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33	[[AC: Errors or artistic licenses that have their own tropes:]]
34	* AnnoyingArrows: Archery generally being portrayed as less dangerous than it actually is.
35	* ArrowsOnFire: Flaming arrows have been used historically, but a lot less frequently than pyromaniacal filmmakers would have you believe.
36	* AutomaticCrossbows: Crossbows depicted as shooting multiple quarrels between reloading, like guns.
37	* BizarreAndImprobableBallistics: Arrows ricocheting or otherwise behaving in physically nonsensical ways.
38	* BottomlessMagazines: Fictional archers often never run out of arrows, despite expending more than one person can feasibly carry and never being seen to resupply.
39	* HumanPincushion: Getting struck by even a single arrow is likely to debilitate a target. Continuing to fight with multiple lodged arrows is highly unlikely.
40	* LodgedBladeRecycling: Pulling out an arrow from one's body is extremely dangerous. Even if the victim is able to do so and remains capable of loosing the arrow, it will likely be damaged.
41	* {{Multishot}}: Nocking mutliple arrows onto a bowstring to be fired at once. While this can be done, it drastically reduces the range and penetration of each arrow and is really only good for trick shots.
42	* NoArcInArchery: Arrows shown flying in a straight line, up to an arbitrary range.
43	* TrickArrow: These often have unaerodynamic shapes, such as a boxing glove.
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45	See also BowsVersusCrossbows, a trope examining the differences between these two common weapons, and which often involves errors as a result. Compare GunsDoNotWorkThatWay.
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47	!!Examples:
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50	[[folder:Anime & Manga]]
51	* ''Manga/{{Gamaran}}'': Invoked right at the beginning of the final arc: Arata Nakaizumi, the group's archer, keeps Gama's opponent Tojo under aim with his bow and arrow for too long. When Tojo finally makes his move and Arata let the arrow loose, the shot is too weak and Tojo is able to deflect the arrow with ease.
52	* ''Anime/PrincessMononoke'': Ashitaka's curse gifts him with superhuman strength, and in battle this is frequently shown through his arrows hitting their targets with extreme force, one time going so far as rip the arms off his target. This ignores the fact that in archery the strength of the archer is only a factor in his or her ability to draw their bow and the power behind the arrow is imparted by the bow, not the archer. Regardless of how strong Ashitaka is, his arrow shouldn't hit with any more force than any other arrow shot from a comparable bow. (It would be theoretically possible for a character with SuperStrength to wield a bow with an exceptionally large draw weight, but it would need to be specially designed and custom-made for the purpose.)
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56	* ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/24356524 Like Real People Do]]'', a [[PornWithPlot PWP]] ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaBreathOfTheWild Breath of the Wild]]'' fic, has a scene where Zelda, wanting to [[TookALevelInBadass take a level in badass]], has Link give her archery lessons. Unfortunately, he overlooks one key anatomical difference between the two of them, so Zelda goes from very much enjoying his HandsOnApproach to...
57	-->''"Fuck!"'' she yells, both hands clamped over her chest. "Hylia's golden ''ass'', Link! My fucking tit!" She stomps in a circle and kicks the grass, like that will help. Holy Triforce on a mountain, it hurts. There's going to be a bruise. She's going to have a fucking ''bruised tit.''
58	* ''Fanfic/VowOfNudity'': Deconstructed in detail with Spectra's performance in Qalek's archery challenge. The picture shows her breaking most of the listed rules (incorrect foot stance, drawing the string across her chest, not wearing protective equipment), and she painfully suffers [[BreastAttack every]] [[GroinAttack single]] [[AmusinglyAwfulAim consequence]] when she finally takes the shot.
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62	* ''WesternAnimation/{{Brave}}'': Justified. [[ShownTheirWork Considerable research]] was put into the bow and arrow physics, and when mistakes are present in how characters use bows these are intentionally there to show their lack of experience. Of note is the archery competition where the contestants make common mistakes in their form; Young [=MacGuffin=] has inadequate draw strength, Young Macintosh lets go of the drawstring with too much flourish, and Wee Dingwall pinches his arrow and would've missed if not for [[AccidentalAimingSkills a lucky accident]]. They're followed by Merida who displays perfect form, and even draws attention to the tremendous strength needed to use a bow when [[ActionDressRip she tears her dress]] to give herself the flexibility to draw.
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65	[[folder:Film -- Live-Action]]
66	* ''Film/ArrowTheUltimateWeapon'': The protagonist is an archer who can curve his arrows in flight. He does this by twisting the bowstring around the arrow before firing. This would absolutely not work in real life, but it's clearly an artistic license for RuleOfCool.
67	* ''Film/HawkTheSlayer'': By means of rapid {{Jump Cut}}s to condense shots and edit out the process of reloading, Crow the elf and the human Gort use their medieval bow and crossbow, respectively, [[https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxbBQrFb79WVTP2b_qvLB3ADt_d17Yksya as rapid-fire machine gun-like weapons]], mowing down scores of enemies with a stream of arrows and quarrels shot more like an automatic rifle's bullets than anything else.
68	* ''Film/TheHungerGames'': Katniss can hold back the drawstring for far longer than anyone less than a bodybuilder could. It particularly sticks out seeing as she's a not-especially-muscular teenage girl, who even went through a period of malnourishment.
69	* ''Film/TheLordOfTheRingsTheFellowshipOfTheRing'': During the Moria sequence, a CGI shot of one of Legolas' arrows shows the arrowhead moving along a perfect arc to the target, while the shaft and fletching dangle and shake behind it at random.
70	* ''Film/{{Savaged}}'': Zoe finds a recurve bow and quiver of arrows in a barn and takes it with her and uses it on her RoaringRampageOfRevenge. However, the bow had been stored strung and, according to its owner, had been in the barn for months. This would have ruined the tension in the bow and rendered it useless.
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74	* ''Hippolyta and the Curse of the Amazons,'' by Creator/JaneYolen: Lampshaded and exploited. Hippolyta gets caught at arrow-point by Molpadia, but stalls for time by talking to Molpadia and suggesting that she should capture her instead of shooting. Holding the bowstring back for too long causes Molpadia's arm to shake so much that when she finally does shoot, she misses Hippolyta even at very close range.
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78	* ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' frequently treats bows as if they were interchangeable with both guns and swords.
79	** It's not uncommon for the Green Arrow to fully draw an arrow and aim it at a bad guy for minutes at a time in the middle of a hostage exchange, all while he shows no strain from maintaining his position.
80	** A unique error is portraying the bow as a deadly melee weapon. In most episodes, Oliver or one of the many other bowmen on the show will smack grown men with the ends of their bow and send them flying backwards and knocking them unconscious. While it's not impossible to use a bow as a melee weapon (what's a bow if not a big stick?), they are not remotely designed for this purpose and wouldn't be as effective as portrayed.
81	* ''Series/{{Cadfael}}'' has an archer threaten to "fire" an arrow, long before the development of gunpowder weapons added that expression to English.
82	* ''Series/DoctorWho'': In the climax of "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E3RobotOfSherwood Robot of Sherwood]]", Robin Hood fires an arrow into a rising spaceship at least half a mile away. This would be impossible with a historical longbow, even if he were not using an arrow made of solid gold.
83	* ''Series/GameOfThrones'' has a scene in which Ygritte holds a longbow at full draw for over ''60 seconds.'' She ends up shooting Jon Snow, who [[AnnoyingArrows doesn't seem to suffer any serious damage]] despite being shot ''three times.''
84	* ''Series/TheWheelOfTime2021'': {{Lampshade\|Hanging}}d in "[[Recap/TheWheelOfTimeS1E4TheDragonReborn The Dragon Reborn]]", when Rand and Mat attempt to sneak into a farmstead's barn to spend the night. The farmers threaten them with bows, and Rand points out that the husband has too many fingers on the bowstring. The trope is also played straight in that the farmer has the bow at full draw throughout the scene, and that throughout the season, Rand's own bow is only ever shown being strung, even when not in use.
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87	[[folder: Mythology]]
88	* The false etymology of "Amazon" as derived from "a mastos", "without a breast", because they supposedly cut one breast off to draw back their bows, was clearly coined by someone who'd never seen a real female archer, or possibly any archer.
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91	[[folder:Tabletop Games]]
92	* ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'': As part of the split between the Strength and Dexterity abilities in all editions, you need high Dexterity to shoot a bow with any effectiveness, whereas the Strength stat is not applied to bowshots. The exception is ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragonsThirdEdition'' and its derivative ''TabletopGame/{{Pathfinder}}'', where composite bows (implemented as a more expensive version of the shortbow and longbow) allow a character to add a portion of their Strength score to their damage.
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96	* ''VideoGame/{{Archer}}'' features a Native American throwing arrows at birds with his bare hands.
97	* ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII'': Connor always has his quiver on his back, yet he can still pretty much instantly conjure arrows into his hands.
98	* ''Franchise/DragonAge'':
99	** Archers are generally depicted with quivers on their backs in addition to having no protective gear whatsoever.
100	** ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'': In the Dalish origin, Mahariel and Tamlen have their bows drawn against some humans and hold an entire conversation with them like that.
101	** ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'':
102	*** The "Hail of Arrows" archery talent lets the archer loose "an entire quiver" of arrows all at once.
103	*** One of Varric's Marksman abilities is "Rhyming Triplet", which has him fire three bolts at the same time. An upgrade has him fire five simultaneously.
104	*** Sebastian's introduction ends with him loosening an arrow to stick a paper to a pillar of concrete.
105	** ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'': At one point, Sera draws her bow against the Inquisitor. She holds it drawn for part of their conversation and then holds it half-drawn the rest of it.
106	* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'':
107	** Throughout the series, nearly all of the "common mistakes" listed are present. Bows can be held indefinitely at full draw without consequence. The arrows remain perfectly straight in flight as well. All bows are found strung, even when explicitly in storage like in a shop. Most bows are also depicted being too ''short''. In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'', for example, even explicit "long bows" are barely longer than a longsword and much shorter than real life versions.
108	** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'' add a physics engine and display more equipment (averting the InformedEquipment of previous entries), violating more "common mistakes". Arrows will now "stick" in most surface, including unrealistic ones like metal shields or in bodies through plate armor. They can also be recovered and reused even after striking surfaces like stone which will easily break real life arrows. Quivers are worn exclusively on the back.
109	* ''VideoGame/FableI'': The Hero can hold a bow at full draw indefinitely, and benefits from doing so to line up a shot, as bows function as a ChargedAttack. {{Downplayed\|Trope}} as this does make their aim start to jitter, but this disadvantage can reduced almost to nothing with Skill training.
110	* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'': Bows are always holstered while strung up and quivers worn on one's back rather than one's side. In addition, several attacks involve the use of {{Multishot}} to hit a wider area or fire multiple homing arrows at once, though these are justified by the use of magic in tandem with archery.
111	* ''VideoGame/GenshinImpact'':
112	** Descriptions of equippable bows and archers' skills tend to use "fire" as a verb of launching arrows instead of the more approppriate "loose" or "release."
113	** Childe's technique when using a bow makes one question how it's even remotely possible for him to hit anything, as stands hunched over with his bow held awkwardly and the string drawn only partway back. It may be a case of GameplayAndStoryIntegration, as [[BloodKnight Childe]] mentions he uses bows specifically because [[WillfullyWeak he's weakest at them]], and the other archers in the game have better form, although there are some that, when aiming, essentially hold their bows GangstaStyle by rotating their wrist ninety degrees.
114	** One of Mika's idle animations have him pulling his ''unloaded'' crossbow's string as hard as possible and loosing it, which would damage the crossbow in real life.
115	* ''VideoGame/HorizonZeroDawn'':
116	** Aloy typically has her bow strung at all times, and she can hold it at full draw for an indefinite length of time.
117	** The capabilities of bows in general are highly exaggerated; this is partly AcceptableBreaksFromReality since realistic bow physics would be less fun, and also hand-waved by the presence of scavenged advanced machinery in the setting that justifies the creation of both specialized ammo and absurdly powerful bows.
118	** A detail created more by a quirk of the combat system than deliberate design is that the mechanic that creates a BulletTime effect anytime Aloy is in midair means that the most effective way to aim a shot is to draw and then jump straight upward while aiming. This would not be effective technique in real life.
119	* ''VideoGame/MountAndBlade'': The commander of the watch insists on the common error of leaving a crossbow strung when not in active use (especially during rain), claims that unstringing it is a dereliction of duty, and has Bunduk horsewhipped. Later, Bunduk deserts his post and gets drunk in a tavern using money stolen from the commander, before being recruitable by the player.
120	* ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil2'': In the original version, the crossbow fires a spreading "burst" of three bolts at once, and at one point gun store owner Robert Kendo cocks it like a shotgun.
121	* ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2:'' Surprisingly [[DownplayedTrope downplayed]] with the Sniper's Huntsman. While the game still follows many of the standard tropes (quiver worn on the back, bow barely bends when fired, etc.), the game does accurately represent the immense strain that drawing a full power bow puts on your muscles: the sniper can only hold his bow at full draw for five seconds. Any more, and his arm begins shaking and the arrow will go wild when loosed (representing the Sniper losing his grip on the bow).
122	* ''VideoGame/{{Warframe}}'' makes a few common mistakes with its bows, but all of them are {{justified\| Trope}} by virtue of the eponymous Warframes not being normal humans but a sort of superhuman organic technology. They draw even massive war bows easily and quickly, and can hold the draw forever because they have astounding strength and tireless stamina. Literally armored skin precludes the need for bracers, gloves, and other protective equipment. Quivers are all placed on the back to avoid interfering with the movement of the legs during parkour, and because the Warframes won't tire from over-shoulder drawing. The sheer draw strength of the weapons plus the highly advanced construction of the arrows allow Tenno to bury arrows in almost any surface, and sometimes put arrows through multiple armored opponents.
123	* ''VideoGame/{{Valheim}}'': While the player's strength isn't an influence on the power of a shot, bows continuously drain stamina (and the higher-tier, the faster it drains stamina), so continuously tracking a target at full draw is usually a bad idea.
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126	[[folder:Webcomics]]
127	* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'': Haley, the party's rogue, is typically depicted as keeping her bow strung at all times, even when it's kept slung across her back and not in use. Of course, she's also shown [[HyperspaceArsenal pulling her arrows out of nowhere]] and ignoring anything else that might get in the way of being awesome with a bow. This causes problems when Roy borrows her bow.
128	-->'''Belkar:''' Geez, what is it with that guy and needing to figure out all the fiddly little details?\
129	'''Haley:''' I know, right? It's called "[[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief Suspension of Disbelief]]," Roy!
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132	[[folder:Web Videos]]
133	* [[https://www.youtube.com/@blumineck blumineck]] is a creator who reviews and tests the many (and often inaccurate) portrayals of archery in pop culture. Expect this trope and subtropes to appear in many a video.
134	* ''WebVideo/CriticalRoleCampaignOne'': Vex'ahlia is a legendary archer capable of such feats as piercing plate armor and bulletproof dragon hides with her arrows. This is despite being pitifully weak (because of her in-game Strength score of 7 out of 20), to the point even a furious punch to the jaw from her causes 0 damage and is PlayedForLaughs. Drawing some of Vex's massive bows would probably be a challenge for someone so weak, but the whole show is a game that would suffer from being bogged down in minutiae like that, so the issue never comes up. {{Enforced}} due to the way ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' traditionally handles ranged weapons; only the character's Dexterity score matters, not their Strength.
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