Line #46 JerkassHasAPoint/DragonBall


1	JerkassHasAPoint in ''Franchise/DragonBall''.
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4	* Despite his [[KnightInSourArmor harsh exterior]] [[GoodIsNotNice Vegeta]] has made explanations and rationalized his own actions to the point of it being a RunningGag, especially regarding fights; this contrasts him with the [[EasilyForgiven more lenient style]] of [[AllLovingHero Goku]].
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6	''[[AC:Manga/DragonBall]]''
7	* During his fight with [[OurDragonsAreDifferent Giran]], Goku saves himself from a RingOut by calling for his [[FlyingOnACloud Flying Nimbus]]. When Giran calls foul the referee acknowledges he has legitimate reason to protest and talks to some higher-ups offscreen. He comes back and says that while Goku's still allowed to compete since his move wasn't illegal ''at the time'', [[ObviousRulePatch there's now a rule against it]] so he'll be disqualified if he tries it again.
8	* [[TheDragon Staff Officer Black]] is appalled by [[GeneralRipper Commander Red]]'s intention of not achieving [[TakeOverTheWorld global domination]] but instead [[TheNapoleon becoming taller]]. Considering that [[TheHero Goku]] had already taken out their best operatives and laid waste to much of their forces it's no wonder he [[BadGuysDoTheDirtyWork gunned down his own leader]]; the Staff Officer still had a point even after [[{{Hypocrite}} resuming the]] [[ArmiesAreEvil Red Ribbon Army]]'s [[{{Hypocrite}} downfall in the Commander's place]].
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10	''[[AC:Anime/DragonBallZ]]''
11	* [[FatBastard Yajirobe]] has a moment of this after a fight against [[ArcVillain Vegeta]], calling out [[EducationMama Chi-Chi]] for focusing entirely on [[MyBelovedSmother Gohan]], who was merely unconscious while ignoring [[ParentingTheHusband Goku]], who didn't have a single unbroken bone in his body.
12	** Yajirobe made another point when [[InsufferableGenius Bulma]] wanted to see the [[{{Cyborg}} "androids"]] [[KidFromTheFuture Future Trunks]] warned Goku and his friends about; he protests [[HarmfulToMinors bringing the infant Present Trunks into the line of fire]]. His concerns are proven when [[EvilOldFolks Android 20/Dr. Gero]] shoots down Bulma's aircraft, leaving Yajirobe nearly BuriedAlive while Bulma and Present Trunks have to be rescued by Future Trunks.
13	* [[AntiHero Vegeta]] would continue to provide more than a few good points or reasons:
14	** His killing Guldo, Burter and Recoome of the [[QuirkyMinibossSquad Ginyu Force]] [[KickThemWhileTheyAreDown after their defeats]]. [[IdiotHero Goku]] stated Vegeta was being cruel but he retorted [[AssholeVictim it was deserved]], especially since [[ParentalNeglect Gohan]] and [[ButtMonkey Krillin]] were on the verge of death and [[PayEvilUntoEvil they had killed countless people under Frieza's orders]]. While Goku said having a little compassion isn't a disadvantage sparing any of the Ginyu Force would've caused more harm than good. This is emphasized later on when Goku [[TheFarmerAndTheViper unhesitatingly spares]] their even more {{sadist}}ic leader [[TheSociopath Frieza]]'s life at least twice -- [[DontYouDarePityMe which only prompts him]] [[UngratefulBastard to betray Goku both times]].
15	** After saving the [[WorfHadTheFlu heart virus-stricken]] Goku from being killed by [[ManaDrain Android 19]], Vegeta proceeds to chew him out for it, reminding Goku he was ''warned'' about the disease and should have known fighting in his condition, let alone going [[SuperMode Super Saiyan]] would have only made it worse.
16	** Vegeta gets another one after beating 19 so thoroughly he flips out and tries to make a break for it to which Gero/20 shouts at him that it's enough. As Vegeta rightfully points out in response Gero and 19 had come all that way to destroy the [[TheTeam Z-Fighters]] and [[MoralMyopia it's only "enough" because they're losing]].
17	** When [[MixAndMatchMan Cell]] announces the Cell Games, Piccolo wants to train in the [[YearInsideHourOutside Hyperbolic Time Chamber]] after Goku and Gohan leave. Vegeta calls this a waste since the fight with Cell will be beyond anything outside the Saiyans but mockingly allows Piccolo to go first. Although Vegeta was a {{Jerkass}} about it as usual he was right that only a Saiyan could beat Cell in the amount of time they had and Piccolo's year-long training didn't amount to nearly as much as the gain received by Goku/Gohan/Vegeta. For a long time no non-Saiyan Z-Fighter approached Cell's level of power let alone surpassed it -- and even then Saiyans still have the overall highest potential to get stronger. And it wouldn't be until many years later that a non-Saiyan fighter, ironically Piccolo this time would finally get back up to Vegeta and Goku's level in ''[[Anime/DragonBallSuperSuperHero Super: Super Hero]]''.
18	** Although Vegeta was harsh with Gohan about getting weaker and how his fight with [[MaouTheDemonKing Dabura]] was lackluster he made a good point: Gohan was struggling against a foe that seven years ago he wouldn't have had such a problem with and it was in their interests to beat such enemies as quickly and efficiently as possible. In fact, Vegeta's arrogance notwithstanding it's highly probable he could have defeated Dabura with relative ease had he fought instead.
19	** When Vegeta learns about Goku's [[AwesomeButImpractical Super Saiyan 3]] transformation he immediately blows up at him for not using it in their earlier fight. Though it's clear Vegeta's just angry Goku was holding back he makes a good point that Goku could have ended it at any time and simply chose not to (something that directly led to [[EldritchAbomination Majin Buu]]'s release). Goku's only defense is that he wanted to save it for an emergency which Vegeta calls out as unconvincing at best.
20	** Vegeta gets another one [[WhatTheHellHero when he calls Goku out for leaving his children to die]] [[EarthShatteringKaboom while Kid Buu blows up Earth]] [[YouHaveGotToBeKiddingMe and choosing to rescue Mr. Satan, Bee and Dende instead]]. During the entire exchange Goku has ''nothing'' to say in his own defense. Of course, Dende, Mr. Satan and Bee proved instrumental to Buu's defeat but no one could have known at the time.
21	* When Gohan wants to learn martial arts from his father instead of [[SinkOrSwimMentor Piccolo]] the latter states Goku is too soft-hearted to be effective. These concerns prove to be [[JustifiedTrope justified]] when they go into the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and Goku initially holds back for fear of hurting his son.
22	* In ''[[Anime/DragonBallZBrolyTheLegendarySuperSaiyan Z: Broly — The Legendary Super Saiyan]]'', [[TheHighKing King Vegeta]] decides to execute the newborn [[TitleCharacter Broly]], viewing him as [[EnfantTerrible a threat]] to due to his PowerLevel of 10,000. Considering how AxCrazy Broly became as an adult coupled with [[BewareTheSuperman his incredible strength]] these fears had merit.
23	** In ''[[Anime/DragonBallZBioBroly Z: Bio-Broly]]'', [[UpperClassTwit Jaguar Badda]] desires the fall of [[FakeUltimateHero Mr. Satan]] -- which he hopes to accomplish by creating [[OrganicTechnology Bio-Warriors]], including a clone of Broly. [[HoistByTheirOwnPetard This backfires for obvious reasons and his plans are left in ruin.]]
24	* In ''[[Anime/DragonBallPlanToEradicateTheSaiyans Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans]]'', [[ThePowerOfHate Hatchiyack]] and his creator [[BackFromTheDead Dr. Lychee]] want {{revenge}} for the [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Saiyans]] exterminating the former's {{precursors}} and the latter's race the [[SufficientlyAdvancedAliens Tuffles]] when they took over [[DoomedHometown Planet Plant]] and had it [[{{Egopolis}} renamed in honor of King Vegeta]]. Unfortunately for the universe the Saiyans were ironically all but wiped out themselves by [[EvilOverlord Frieza]]. [[RevengeBeforeReason Hatchiyack still carried out Lychee's plan anyway]] and Lychee's claims [[AllTakeAndNoGive the Tuffles were taken advantage of]] [[UnreliableNarrator might not be entirely true]].
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26	''[[AC:Anime/DragonBallGT]]''
27	* Like Hatchiyack and Lychee, [[PuppeteerParasite Baby]] also wants revenge for the Saiyans exterminating the Tuffles. When confronted about his grudge and told the Saiyans eventually [[LaserGuidedKarma paid the price for their actions]] he outright states [[RevengeMyopia he no longer cares]].
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29	''[[AC:Anime/DragonBallSuper]]''
30	* While [[FallenAngel Zamasu]] is a KnightTemplar with [[FinalSolution murderous ambitions]] his [[HumansAreBastards overall view on mortals]] is not entirely unfounded. [[GalacticConquerer Frieza's family]], [[BitchInSheepsClothing Frost]] and the [[BloodKnight Saiyans]] were PlanetLooters who [[WarForFunAndProfit committed war crimes to make money and for shits and giggles]]; [[GeneralRipper Commander Red]] sought out the [[MakeAWish Dragon Balls]] [[TheNapoleon just to gain extra height]]; [[MadScientist Dr. Gero]] used his great mind to produce [[KillerRobot deadly androids]], two of whom literally ''[[ImAHumanitarian ate living beings]]''; and [[EvilSorcerer Bibidi and Babidi]] unleashed [[EldritchAbomination Majin Buu]] on Universe 7 causing the deaths of nearly all the resident [[GodIsGood Kais]] and billions of innocents. Zamasu's FatalFlaw however, is his [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity inability]] to see that not all mortals are evil by nature.
31	** His assessment of Universe 10's Barbarians proves sound; his master [[IdiotBall Gowasu]] [[AdviceBackfire brought him there to demonstrate mortals weren't inherently evil and capable of maturation yet even after a thousand years there was no moral growth to observe in the species]].
32	** He's also right about [[TheGodsMustBeLazy the gods' inaction against mortals who abuse their gifts]] as it's specifically stated the lower-ranked universes are that way because the gods didn't intervene when they should have. [[TheDitherer Sidra's indecision]] is a major factor in Universe 9 being the biggest CrapsackWorld of TheMultiverse and [[CatsAreMean Beerus]] let people like Frieza and his clan do what they wanted, even encouraging the massacre of the Saiyans. The manga [[LampshadeHanging notes]] that Beerus ''really should'' have dealt with Buu before he killed all but one of Universe 7's Kais (making the SoleSurvivor have to deal with the entire place despite being IncompletelyTrained) but he [[SleptThroughTheApocalypse took a nap through the whole shebang]].
33	* Much like before Vegeta has quite a few moments of this:
34	** During the arc of ''Super'' corresponding to ''[[Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF Z: Resurrection F]]'', Goku tells Vegeta how murdering [[GrandTheftMe Captain Ginyu]] was too extreme; Vegeta says he simply [[MurderIsTheBestSolution killed someone too dangerous to leave alone]]. Considering Ginyu is a [[HiredGuns mercenary]] who had proven he ''wouldn't'' let the heroes be he's got a point there.
35	** Vegeta becomes angry when Goku plays around with [[EvilTwin Goku Black]] instead of killing him when he has the chance. This allows Black to study Goku's fighting style and destroy Future Trunks' TimeMachine, giving him the [[{{Pun}} time]] to become more powerful to where he could challenge Goku and Vegeta in [[PhysicalGod Super Saiyan Blue]]. Also, if Cell's version of the older Trunks' machine hadn't been in Bulma's stash there would have been no way to go to the future to save it again in the first place. His reasoning was mostly because [[PapaWolf he wanted to destroy Goku Black for hurting Future Trunks]] [[AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther and killing Future Bulma]] but he gets even angrier after these events vindicate him.
36	** When Future Trunks, having seen the strength of SSJB is prepared to just kick back Vegeta [[NeckLift pulls him up by the collar]] and furiously lays into him for his [[WeHaveBecomeComplacent complacency]], remarking Black likely won't be the only threat that comes his way and he should ''always'' train to surpass his limits no matter the situation; considering how often threats to Earth and all of Universe 7 have appeared (Majin Buu, Beerus, Frieza, etc.) and virtually all Z-Fighters barring Goku and Vegeta himself have been helpless against them due to no proper training he's clearly [[TaughtByExperience speaking from experience]]. While [[MamaBear Bulma]] calls Vegeta out on his harshness considering Future Trunks' recent TraumaCongaLine, Goku insists it's "[[BlueAndOrangeMorality how Saiyans work]]"; Trunks himself quickly takes Vegeta's words to heart, resolving to constantly train and grow stronger.
37	** He also ''heavily'' objects to reviving Frieza to participate in the [[AbsurdlyHighStakesGame Tournament of Power]] on the grounds he's uncontrollable and can't be trusted. He's proven right by [[TokenEvilTeammate Frieza]]'s InnerMonologue to replace Zeno, though ironically enough he ends up being key to the victory of their team and doesn't actually betray them.
38	** Come ''[[Anime/DragonBallSuperBroly Super: Broly]]'', Goku naively believes since Frieza helped them during the Tournament of Power this means he'll no longer be evil and is now their friend. Vegeta openly calls him an idiot, telling Goku point-blank that Frieza will ''never'' change and still try to kill them; he's proven right when Frieza comes back to Earth and has [[RevengeBeforeReason Paragus]] sic [[TheJuggernaut Broly]] on them.
39	* [[TheDreaded Universe 7's God of Destruction]] [[HairTriggerTemper Beerus]] is ''really'' against Goku's idea of a multiversal tournament because it involves [[TopGod Zeno]]; he even threatens to ''vaporize'' him. However, knowing Zeno is even more casual and apathetic to life than Beerus, destroyed six universes in the past just because something annoyed him and the losers of the upcoming tournament will have ''their entire universes'' destroyed it's hard to disagree.
40	** He also berates Goku for his naive nature, exclaiming it's dangerous to all existence. Remember that Goku spared ''Frieza'', who tried to destroy Earth twice (and succeeds in the latter case; only Whis' TimeMaster abilities prevented it), his [[BloodKnight fight-happy nature]] led to Zamasu's StartOfDarkness and ravaging of the future multiverse, etc.
41	** At the end of the Future Trunks Saga he coldly tells Gowasu to choose his apprentices more carefully. Considering Gowasu proved to be a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter in regards to [[MisanthropeSupreme Zamasu]], failed to notice his growing darkness until it was (nearly) too late and also [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom told him about the Time Rings and Super Dragon Balls]], both of which proved crucial to Zamasu's plans he's not wrong. Though in Gowasu's defense we actually get to see Zamasu before becoming a Supreme Kai and [[UsedToBeASweetKid he was actually kind and humble back then]].
42	* When Goku fights [[SavageWolves Bergamo]] during the preliminary tournament the latter manipulates the gods into making the former a villain, trying to [[ProfessionalButtKisser get Zeno's favor]] by having the universes be spared if he beats Goku. Right after being defeated Bergamo calls him out on whether or not he cares for the state of the universes considering they are going to be erased when they lose. While Bergamo is underhanded and said it in the middle of a SoreLoser speech he's got a good point about Goku, especially considering the latter is completely nonchalant about it, even [[BringIt challenging the other gods to come at him]].
43	* After being knocked out of the arena [[WorldsStrongestMan Jiren]] proceeds to insult [[ForGreatJustice Toppo]] for it, even calling him pathetic. While it comes across as [[KickTheDog assholish]] to insult his leader being eliminated he has every right to berate him given Toppo was fully willing to sacrifice his principles just for the sake of power and still lost, specifically to someone who stayed true to them to the point [[VillainRespect Jiren gave a sincere compliment]].
44	* In ''Super: Broly'', [[AdaptationalNiceGuy King Vegeta]] banishes [[TitleCharacter Broly]] to [[DeathWorld Planet Vampa]] after seeing how [[ReadingsAreOffTheScale freakishly powerful]] he is as a child. While [[OldSoldier Paragus]] calls him out on this and believes the King only did so out of [[GreenEyedMonster jealousy his son's power could surpass the Prince]], King Vegeta's stated reason is that Broly's potential could [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity drive him mad]] [[FromBadToWorse and make him a threat both to himself and everyone around him]]. Paragus himself seems to realize the King may have been right once Broly's battle on Earth turns him into a [[UnstoppableRage rage-fueled]] [[TheBerserker berserker]] and [[ApocalypseHow possible universal threat]].
45	* [[BountyHunter Granolah]], SoleSurvivor of the [[{{Steampunk}} Cerealians]] desires the death of Frieza and complete extermination of the Saiyans for wiping out his race. However, much like the Tuffles' creations he only gets his chance after the Saiyans were already rendered nearly extinct and he even ignores the [[EvilVsEvil possibility of the Saiyans actually suffering under Frieza's rule]].
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47	''[[AC:VideoGame/DragonBallHeroes]]''
48	* [[GravityMaster Hearts]] wants to [[KillTheGod eliminate all deities]], especially [[KingOfAllCosmos Zeno]]. After witnessing everything wrong with the CelestialBureaucracy in ''Super'' it's understandable why he would desire such a thing despite his [[ItsAllAboutMe selfishness]].
49	* [[ControlFreak Aeos]], [[HerosEvilPredecessor previous Supreme Kai of Time]] before [[TheDitz Chronoa]] plans on [[RetGone erasing all versions of history but the official one]]. Given every [[TimeyWimeyBall time-related disaster]] that's occurred before she's not too far off.

Context JerkassHasAPoint / DragonBall