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1	* When Jill Presto is walking through the desert she meets Coyote who tries to seduce her but fails. As he leaves he says she'll meet him again before it's over. Do we ever see them meet again? Is it the man who tries to rape/kill her in "Eve"?
2	** Possibly. It's also possible she ran into him after the series ended...which would be odd for her, given as she doesn't remember any of it. Otherwise Coyote was lying (which would be in character) or it's an AbortedArc.
3	* What happened to Gabriel?
4	** He's TheUnfavorite obviously. Also ''ComicBook/{{Hellblazer}}'' has the answer to that. I read a brilliant fic with Elaine and Duma finding him in some place after she gets over her 'Buddhist phase'.
5	*** To elaborate for those who haven't read ''Hellblazer'', [[spoiler:Gabriel managed to piss off John Constantine so John arranged for him to be seduced by a succubus without knowing what she was. She stole his heart and God threw him out. She and John were going to use the heart to control him to fight Satan (who is not Lucifer, different person altogether) who was gunning for John. As it was Satan got the heart before they could and used it to kill Gabriel.]]
6	*** Worse, actually. [[spoiler:Crushing Gabriel's heart didn't kill him, it sent him to Hell]].
7	*** Constantine also [[spoiler:removes his wings. With a chainsaw.]].
8	* How are this Lucifer and the verse connected to the New 52? My theory is that the N52-Lucifer is a completely separate being, made again by the presence, while "our" Lucifer is still out there in the void between the creations, doing his stuff. But then, what about the Elaine-Presence? Did the reboot completely ignore her, even if she was the multiversal God for the last few years of New Earth's run? Is she still merged with the Multiverse, while the original Presence came back? Or can we just assume that DC just decided to ignore the Sandman/Lucifer-events, and push it into its own continuity? But then again, weren't Lucifer, Elaine, Michael and the original Presence (Yahweh) supposed to be Multiversal?
9	** I hate to invoke Doyle but, "It's just a comic dude."
10	** Exactly. Lucifer's time in the void, as well as his last conversation with Yaweh, imply that all of creation (including the void itself and any universes therein) are limited to the pages of the comic series and tie-in materials.
11	** If you must link it all up assume that the old DC universe still exists as a separate Creation to the New 52.
12	** Dark Crisis has recently strongly implied if not outright revealed that Luficer is an avatar/creation of the Great Darkness, alongside beings like Trigon, and presumably characters like the First of the Fallen and New 52's Lucifer as well. What that says about Luficer's origins or free will is up for debate, but it does reconcile these multiple portrayals of [[SatanicArchetype what is ostensibly the same character;]] they all come from the same source and have similarities (which can extend to their names), but also differences.
13	* If Lucifer is as powerful as he speculated to be, how can he even be affected by anything that happens in his storyline? Why does he need to ask people questions, if he probably already knows the answers? How can be affected by something like Fenris' rage if he is second to the Presence? Is his entire storyline just play-acting, or is he not as powerful as he claims to be? If he had this same level of power while he was the ruler of Hell, he could pretty easily secure Hell's victory over the rest of Creation with just a random thought. Even the Endless are utterly insignicant to him, and yet he asks if Sandman will join his realm to Hell? Seems like Lucifer could just do this through a simple act of will, does he even really desire this or is he just messing with Dream? Is this just comicbook inconsistently or has this been addressed?

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