Line #44 Fanfic/TheSecondTorch


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4	->''Roman was washed-up, at an all-time low, reduced from a gentleman thief on the front page of every newspaper to a glorified thug beaten by a 15 year old girl. Well, no more. Roman is going to reclaim his glory and prove to everyone that this old dog still has what it takes to be the best, or die trying! Poor Neo just wishes her adoptive father would pick a safer mid-life crisis.''
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6	-->-- Website/FanFictionDotNet summary
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8	''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14291843/1/The-Second-Torch The Second Torch]]'' is a HowTheMightyHaveFallen fanfic by Creator/CoeurAlAran about the notorious gentlemen thief Roman Torchwick collapsing under the weight of the knowledge that his prime as Vale's #1 thief is over and he becomes determined to regain it again.
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10	!!''The Second Torch'' contains examples of the following...
11	* ActuallyPrettyFunny: As much as Torchwick's recent theft [[spoiler:of Amity Colosseum]] has disrupted the Vytal Festival, Yang openly thinks that it's still pretty funny and impressive, much to Weiss' consternation.
12	* AdaptationalBackstoryChange: Rather than the canon backstory, Coeur goes with his original backstory of Roman being an ex-Huntsman-in-training and Bartholomew Oobleck's former partner who became jaded and turned to a life of crime after the rest of his team was killed in the Mountain Glenn disaster.
13	* AdaptationalDumbass:
14	** As part of the fic's comedy, Roman Torchwick is significantly goofier and less self-aware than his conniving, street-smart and vicious canon self. He acts like a bumbling dad to Neopolitan, most notably in his solution to her being under the weather: feed her a ''cocktail of every pharmaceutical drug he could nab'' under the assumption that one of them would do the right trick. Roman never clues in that Neo's subsequent "gestures of adoration" are frustration-fueled attempts to throttle him.
15	** Team RWBY are portrayed as reckless idiots who [[LeeroyJenkins rush into situations without thinking and inevitably make things worse]], similarly to some of Coeur's [[Fanfic/ARabbitAmongWolves previous]] [[Fanfic/KnightOfSalem fics]].
16	* ArchEnemy: Much to his chagrin, Roman realizes that Ruby Rose has cemented herself as his and he's just going to have to make the best of it.
17	* AttentionWhore: Roman Torchwick isn't just a thief, he's a ''gentleman'' thief who laps up any chance he gets to make the news with his heists. His attempts to revitalize his floundering reputation form the backbone of the story.
18	* AdaptationalWimp: Banesaw, the White Fang Lieutenant in canon. In the show, he was able to defeat Weiss on the train and would have killed her if not for Blake's rescue. In contrast, here his [[{{Muggle}} Aura remains locked]] and his chainsaw can't penetrate an enemy's Aura.
19	* BaitAndSwitchComment: When Perry asks about how Neo can be discreet with her distinct appearance, Roman says she has a trick up her sleeve. Right as she eagerly prepares to show off her Semblance, Roman reveals the trick is that she's too short to be seen in car windows. Cue comedic anger.
20	* BankRobbery: To gain back his prestige and help his ego, Roman's first solution is to rob Vale Central Bank. It goes hilariously pear-shaped; not only does he lose Melodic Cudgel to a metallic shutter, but the money he gains is lost after he and Neo crash their getaway car into the water.
21	* ButtMonkey: As Roman works to reclaim his lost fame/infamy, Neo ends up suffering a lot of comical abuse without him intending to. From coming down with a sickness after an ill-fated bank heist to being force-fed a bunch of pharmaceuticals, Neo does not have it easy in this fic.
22	* CharacterExaggeration: As part of the fic's high comedy. Roman styles himself even more as an image-obsessed and egotistical {{gentleman thief}}, and he can best be described as a lovable narcissist; [[PsychopathicWomanchild Neo]] is practically Roman's [[CloudcuckoolandersMinder minder]] who's chronically exasperated by his new antics and the grief they've been causing her as of late; Team RWBY are well-meaning, but embarrassingly inept in their showings against Roman, with their inability to heed the notion of getting others' including their teachers' backup bordering on mental disorder (although Ruby pointedly becomes motivated to amend the "inept" part for herself); and Ozpin does ''not'' appreciate having his cane stolen, and it's not for [[FantasticNuke the reasons one might think]].
23	* CouldSayItBut: Knowing he's on a time crunch and that there's no possible way the captured and demoralized Ruby could get all the information naturally, Roman all but spells out the White Fang's plan and his own motives by angrily taunting her that she'd ''never'' figure out that they planted bombs on a train to attack Vale, ''never'' figure out the exact steps to take to stop them, ''never'' expect specific obstacles that would need to be dealt with to stop the plan, and ''definitely never'' consider that the whole plan is totally out of character for a fame-seeking thief so there ''must'' be something else going on above him. For all that Ruby is portrayed as naive here, she does get the message.
24	* [[CorporateSponsoredSuperhero Corporate-Sponsored Supervillain]]: When Roman begins to garner press attention again, tobacco company Huntsman Silver Cigars notices that he's no longer smoking their product while committing crimes and query through a fansite he runs whether he's quit. When he explains that he's simply run out, the company drops off an entire crate of its cigars at a location of Roman's choosing in exchange for brand exclusivity while performing his criminal acts.
25	* DidntThinkThisThrough:
26	** Roman's bank robbery begins with attempts to elicit an appropriate response from the bank teller to his presence, ultimately culminating in him exasperatedly telling her he's robbing the place, leading her to trigger the bank's security measures and inadvertently catching his weapon Melodic Cudgel's tip in the steel shutters (which weren't something banks had when he started out). When he orders the bank's customers to get on the ground and hand over their valuables, one of them points out that he, with his weapon stuck, has nothing to threaten them with, allowing them all book it. He manages to free Melodic Cudgel from the shutters so he can use it on the vault door, but fails to consider how the pressure of the bulletproof shutters may have damaged it; sure enough, the Dust round explodes in the barrel where the shutters had warped the metal. Roman then tries to blow up the vault door by using the remaining Dust in Melodic Cudgel as an improvised explosive, from which the vault door emerges unscathed (as it wouldn't be very good protection if a relatively minor explosion could break it), and only manages to get in because the surrounding walls were less sturdy then the door. Upon entering, Roman and Neo discover only a few thousand lien in cash, because most banking is now done online and the vault is more of a prop to impress customers. When the police pursue the pair during their getaway, he decides to make things more glamorous by exchanging gunfire with his pursuers while leaning out the window, telling Neo to take the wheel, overlooking a) she's currently buckled up in the passenger seat and not in a good position to take the wheel and b) when she does manage to clamber into the driver's seat, her 4'10" (in heels!) frame leaves her too short to ''simultaneously'' see through the windshield and reach the pedals. The chase ends with Neo driving into the ocean and their ill-gotten loot lost.
27	** Roman goes to the pharmacy to get cold medicine for Neo, forgetting that his presence in public will attract police attention owing to the bank robbery he just pulled and took public credit for. When law enforcement shows up, he repeatedly attempts to grandstand rather than escape, both forgetting he no longer has a weapon until he tries to lean on the late, lamented Melodic Cudgel and almost falls over and attempting to engage in charming banter with the no-nonsense police tactical unit that proves distressingly competent.
28	** As explained in detail in other entries on this page, Ruby ends up captured by the White Fang due to a bad case of this.
29	* DisappointedInYou: During his lecture to Ruby about how badly she fumbled in getting caught by his White Fang "allies," Roman expresses this sentiment, refusing to believe that his most persistent nemesis could make so many mistakes... with Ruby ''actually feeling chastised'' as a result.
30	* EnragedByIdiocy: If there is one thing that both Roman and Neo can agree on, it is that idiots are able to get on their nerves. And being saddled with a bunch of incompetent terrorists like the White Fang are getting on their nerves and then some.
31	** Roman in particular is infuriated by how stupid Ruby was being when she let herself get caught: not only did she not take her weapon with her when she left her group in an area filled with Grimm, she didn't even use her Aura to tank any hits from the White Fang, and didn't even think to turn on her Scroll's tracker so the others could find her more easily. As he puts it, she's his nemesis now, so she has to be smarter than this, as he will ''not'' tolerate an idiotic nemesis.
32	* FailedASpotCheck: Roman doesn't notice the staff and customers of the pharmacy fleeing the store when he enters nor the large police presence that arrives shortly thereafter until he is ordered via megaphone to surrender. Everyone save Neo interprets his oblivious shopping in the lead up to the confrontation as insousiance in the face of danger.
33	* {{Fanboy}}: Perry reveals himself to be a fan of Torchwick upon meeting him, much to the thief's amusement and Neo's dismay.
34	* FashionableEvil: As much as Neo is annoyed by Roman's flamboyance, she privately acknowledges he has good fashion sense, noting that her own ensemble was selected by him. Part of Roman's distate for the White Fang is that, in addition to being poorly-trained, loose-cannon fanatics, their gray-and-black aesthetics are boring.
35	* FelonyMisdemeanor: After robbing the Vale Central Bank, Roman and Neo end up pursued by police in a massive car chase. However, the cops don't know they've robbed the bank; they're after the duo because their vehicle is untaxed. An already stressed Neo, unhappy with the shambolic robbery and Roman's emphasis on theatricality over pragmatism, starts weeping from the ignominy of it all.
36	* FlippingTheBird: After the Museum of Vale quotes that the Vacuan Diamond is safer in their hands than in the kingdom it was taken from, the Vacuan ambassador's response on national Vale TV is to wordlessly stick both his middle fingers up.
37	* GlorySeeker: Roman has always been this, with Neo even musing he is more of a performer than a hardened criminal. His realization regarding how far he's fallen from fame merely exacerbates this trait of his and causes him to go to any lengths reclaim his infamy... regardless the cost to him [[ButtMonkey (or Neo)]].
38	* GentlemanThief: Roman portrays himself as a well-dressed rogue who looks more at home in posh society than robbing store, at least when he was younger.
39	* HeroicComedicSociopath: Penny Polendina has vibes of this; as an Atlesian [[RobotSoldier gynoid]] she is both [[NoSocialSkills rather clueless]] to to her new friends' [[ThouShallNotKill squeamishness]] and operates according to the Atlesian military's more ruthless rules of engagement.
40	-->'''Roman''': Oh look! The whole gang is here. Finished murdering faunus who wanted nothing more than to fight for equality, have we?\
41	'''Blake''': Murdered? We didn't--\
42	'''Penny''': ''(cheerfully)'' I have neutralized the terrorists who tried to escape! In accordance with Atlas military doctrine! Atlas does not negotiate with terrorists. You're welcome, friend Ruby!
43	* HollywoodMidLifeCrisis: The dawning realization that he is aging is, and that [[HowTheMightyHaveFallen his glory days may be behind him]], is the catalyst for Roman to try to recapture the limelight and prove he still has his youthful vigor.
44	* HowTheMightyHaveFallen: Roman reflects on how much notoriety he had in the past when he made his GentlemanThief debut, he was on the new constantly, his name was well known and women swooned over his rouge-ish smile and good looks. At the time of the fic, Roman Torchwick's legacy is in the dirt with his infamy so forgotten that he could walk into a heavily surveilled bank unchallenged and had to announce it was robbery.
45	* HypocriticalHumor: As he makes his getaway from the docks, Roman taunts Team RWBY, Sun, and Penny that future foes won't stand around and let them finish their monologue. Neo considers this the most hypocritical thing Roman has ever said, as he has repeatedly tried to monologue throughout the story.
46	** In the same chapter, Roman bails out of a damaged Bullhead falling towards the ocean with reporter Lisa Lavender (and, more importantly, her camera) and dashingly tells her he'd never leave a fair maiden to sink. Neo promptly breaks the surface of the water the moment Roman finishes this line, having been left behind with the rest of Lisa's news team when the aircraft went down.
47	* ILetYouWin: Roman's poor showing in the Volume 2 train duel with Blake is attributed here to him being ordered to throw a fight like that if necessary as part of Cinder's plan to get him captured. To him it adds insult to injury that the plan that may ruin his reputation as a gentleman thief, by making him a mass-murderer, would also ruin his reputation as a ''competent'' thief, by making him get his ass kicked by a teenager.
48	* IWarnedYou: After the attempt to steal a large shipment of Dust at the docks ends in a fiery explosion, Roman is quick to gleefully remind Cinder that he warned her that working with the White Fang would go poorly, pointing out that the only reason they were caught committing the crime was due to someone ''specifically'' looking for the White Fang. He does, however, keep the fact that ''he'' set off the explosion in order to escape to himself.
49	* InnocentInnuendo: When Roman snarks at [[WalkingShirtlessScene Sun Wukong]] to put on a shirt because just looking at him makes him feel cold, Sun ripostes with, "Then maybe you and I can keep one another warm." Sun means through the exertion of fighting, but an [[YaoiFangirl excited Neo]] interprets it differently and makes a lewd gesture.
50	* InsultToRocks: Being forced to work with the White Fang really gets on Roman's nerves, not just because of the fact that they're terrorists, but because he sees them as rabid terrorists eager to burn everything to get what they want. He even compares them to [[FantasticRacism animals]], before taking that back as even animals are smarter than the White Fang.
51	* ItAmusedMe: The reason why Roman sics the unpowered White Fang terrorists on Huntress-in-training Blake despite them not having a chance against her.
52	* LighterAndSofter: In comparison to some of Coeur's more serious and darker words like ''Remnant Invicta'', ''Raise'', and ''Null'', ''The Second Torch'' is much more light-hearted with an emphasis on comedy.
53	* LoserProtagonist: His infamy and reputation DeaderThanDead, Roman starts the story as this with determination reclaim his glory (at poor Neo's expense).
54	* MonumentalTheft: After realizing that Cinder plans to use him as TheScapegoat while attacking the Vytal Festival, Roman [[spoiler:infiltrates the Atlesian workforce stationed at Vale and manages to ''steal Amity Colosseum completely unnoticed''. General Ironwood [[FaintInShock faints from shock]] when Winter reports the heist and Cinder is stunned to speechlessness over how thoroughly her plans for Beacon were foiled.]]
55	* MoralityChain: In a weird way, Roman is this for Neo. Neo recognizes that she [[{{Sadist}} enjoys killing and doesn't need a reason to do it]], but restrains herself because Roman disdains killing unless necessary (less for moral reasons than because he considers it gauche) and would be disappointed in her if she indulged too much.
56	* TheNapoleon: Neo has a chip on her shoulder about being made fun of for her height.
57	* {{Nosebleed}}: Neo develops one when Sun makes an [[InnocentInnuendo accidentally suggestive]] proposal to Roman.
58	* NoJustNoReaction: Roman and Neo are horrified to learn that the White Fang have left the keys to the stolen Atlesian Paladin's ignition in the mech while smuggling it with the idea of quickly piloting it if necessary (which would almost certainly cause catastrophic damage with an untrained pilot and attract Atlas' attention), leading the former to say this word for word.
59	* NotSoHarmlessVillain: In spite of his quixotic attempts at recapturing his glory days, Roman is this. Neo muses that had Roman ''truly'' been an idiot, he would have been caught more often then he had been. When their lives are genuinely in danger, or if he's in a particularly bad mood, the cold-blooded criminal both capable of and responsible for murder beneath the flamboyance emerges. Roman just prefers to not display this version of himself very often, considering it his boring side.
60	* OhCrap: Team RWBY has this reaction when they realize that their new friend Penny's interpretation of helping them means using excessive, lethal force against the White Fang on the docks.
61	* OnlySaneMan: Both Roman and Neo see themselves as this when partnered with the White Fang, Neo more than Roman due to the latter's current glory hound tendencies.
62	* OpponentInstruction: Roman is deeply dismayed when Ruby is caught easily by the White Fang in Mountain Glenn, as this reflects poorly on him as her nemesis. He angrily points out the things she could have easily done to avoid her apprehension: ''not'' leaving Crescent Rose behind at camp when she stepped away to use the bathroom in the middle of Grimm-infested ruins, using her [[DeflectorShields Aura]] to tank the kick from the ''unpowered'' terrorist that knocked her out, and using her SuperSpeed to dodge said kick in the first place.
63	* PovertyForComedy: The dire state of their financial situation and other circumstances lead to the sobering realization for Roman Torchwick that he's a washed up criminal now.
64	* PragmaticVillainy: Neo fits this to a T, and is increasingly aggravated when Roman eschews efficiency and caution for reckless, headline-grabbing behavior.
65	** Roman has his own moments, however; he doesn't try to fight Ruby for very long when she interrupts his robbery of the Dust store because he doesn't think he can beat her without killing her, which would make him the target of every Huntsman and Huntress in Beacon (though Ruby's skill certainly played a role, something he's in denial about). He also later instructs Neo to not use lethal force against Team RWBY and Sun at the docks and vetoes Banesaw's proposal to execute Ruby on video for this reason, as well as partly in the latter case because being a child murderer doesn't fit the image of charming rogue he's going for.
66	* RefugeInAudacity: When Roman discovers Cinder's plans for him during her infiltration of Beacon, [[spoiler:he gets back at her by informing her that he plans on [[ExactWords committing a big, dramatic heist to divert attention from recent events]] with her permission, using this excuse to infiltrate Amity Colosseum, and ''[[MonumentalTheft stealing the entire stadium from under everyone's noses]] before televising it for all of Remnant to see''. The theft utterly crushes Cinder and General Ironwood (and delights Neo) once they find out.]]
67	* SayingTooMuch: Stressed by the heat the White Fang has attracted after their battle at the docks and Roman's needling of her over it, Cinder inadvertently reveals to the master thief that she's infiltrating Beacon Academy. Until this slip, Cinder had been very careful to only give Roman as much information as he needed to know to perform his immediate tasks.
68	* ShootTheHostage: Roman and Neo hitch a ride on a Vale News Network airship to escape the battle on the docks. When Roman gallantly insists that Lisa and her news crew aren't hostages, Penny takes this to mean they are aiding and abetting his escape and opens fire, ultimately downing the vehicle.
69	* ShoutOut: Roman informs Team RWBY, Penny, and Sun that the [[WesternAnimation/{{Megamind}} difference between him and the White Fang is "PRESENTATION!"]] before igniting the Dust around them.
70	* SlaveToPR: Ozpin is forced to relinquish Roman and his weapon The Long Memory in exchange for Ruby after Neo takes her hostage, even though Neo has been deprived of her own weapons and can't ''actually'' do anything to harm Ruby. But because the hostage standoff is happening before a crowd of [[{{Muggles}} civilians]], unaware that Ruby isn't in real danger, all they'll see if Ozpin refuses is the famous headmaster of a prestigious institution valuing an object over the life of his student, a teenage girl.
71	* SneezeCut: While Neo isn't ''ecstatic'' about working the White Fang on a Dust heist at the docks, she is pleased that the operation is supposed to take place covertly, giving her a break from Roman's dramatic antics. She's confident that nobody will ruin it. Cut to Blake Belladonna sneezing in the midst of her quest to prove the White Fang isn't responsible for the Dust robberies.
72	* SuppositoryGag: Among the medicine Roman forces Neo to take is a big, oddly shaped "pill." When he describes it later to Junior Xiong, the latter awkwardly explains that that was a suppository, much to Melanie and Miltia Malachite's amusement.
73	* SurroundedByIdiots: Roman considers the terrorists he's now been saddled with by Cinder to be nothing but angry imbeciles, and Cinder herself just as stupid but dangerous enough that he can't ignore her. Meanwhile, Neo sees Roman as only a bit less of an idiot than everyone else around them both.
74	* [[HisOwnWorstEnemy Their Own Worst Enemy]]: Roman observes to Neo that the White Fang's actions only serve to foster and exacerbate bigotry towards Faunus and encourage humans to think that the attempt to forcibly relocate all Faunus to Menagerie was the right idea after all. Later, he notes that this deliberate on the part of the White Fang's leadership; while they genuinely want to end racism towards Faunus in the long term, in the short term part of the reason for their terrorist tactics is to incite indiscriminate retaliation against Faunus for the purposes of alienation, radicalization, and recruitment.
75	* {{Troll}}: Roman is very unhappy to be working with the White Fang, and makes it known by needling them at every opportunity. When Blake interrupts the Dust heist at the docks, Neo questions why he's sent the unpowered White Fang terrorists against Blake, who clearly has Huntress training. Roman shamelessly admits it's [[ItAmusedMe because it was hilarious]].
76	* UnwantedAssistance: Ozpin is handling his battle with Roman and Neo quite well up until Team RWBY, with the best of intentions, joins the fray, and are oblivious to their professor's increasingly exasperated requests they fetch Glynda Goodwitch.
77	* VerbalBackpedaling: During their fight on the docks, an irritated Ruby snaps at Roman that her name is Ruby, not "Red," at which point her new friend Penny proceeds to destroy a Bullhead with people still onboard. Ruby quickly tries to retract her last statement.
78	-->'''Ruby''': You tricked me! And it's not Red, it's Ruby! Ruby Rose!\
79	''(Penny blows up a Bullhead with a huge laser)''\
80	'''Roman''': Daaaamn. That your lot, Ruby? Because, yikes, you just scored yourself a higher body count than me. Congrats on that one.\
81	'''Ruby''': [[ImplausibleDeniability It's Red! Not Ruby. Who's Ruby? Not me. Ruby is in bed because it's her bedtime. She isn't racking up a kill count.]]
82	* YaoiFangirl: Neo becomes [[{{Nosebleed}} very excited]] at Sun's suggestion to Roman that they [[InnocentInnuendo "keep one another warm,"]] forcing the mortified hero to explain that he didn't mean it ''that'' way.

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