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* MonumentalTheft: After realizing that Cinder plans to use him as TheScapegoat while attacking the Vytal Festival, Roman [[spoiler:infiltrates the Atlesian workforce stationed at Vale and manages to ''steal Amity Colosseum completely unnoticed''. General Ironwood [[FaintInShock faints from shock]] when Winter reports the heist and Cinder is stunned to speechlessness over how thoroughly her plans for Beacon were foiled.]]


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* RefugeInAudacity: When Roman discovers Cinder's plans for him during her infiltration of Beacon, [[spoiler:he gets back at her by informing her that he plans on [[ExactWords committing a big, dramatic heist to divert attention from recent events]] with her permission, using this excuse to infiltrate Amity Colosseum, and ''[[MonumentalTheft stealing the entire stadium from under everyone's noses]] before televising it for all of Remnant to see''. The theft utterly crushes Cinder and General Ironwood (and delights Neo) once they find out.]]

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* IWarnedYou: After the attempt to steal a large shipment of Dust at the docks ends in a fiery explosion, Roman is quick to gleefully remind Cinder that he warned her that working with the White Fang would go poorly, pointing out that the only reason they were caught committing the crime was due to someone ''specifically'' looking for the White Fang. He does, however, keep the fact that ''he'' set off the explosion in order to escape to himself.



* IWarnedYou: After the attempt to steal a large shipment of Dust at the docks ends in a fiery explosion, Roman is quick to gleefully remind Cinder that he warned her that working with the White Fang would go poorly, pointing out that the only reason they were caught committing the crime was due to someone ''specifically'' looking for the White Fang. He does, however, keep the fact that ''he'' set off the explosion in order to escape to himself.

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* IWarnedYou: After the attempt to steal a large shipment of Dust at the docks ends in a fiery explosion, Roman is quick to gleefully remind Cinder that he warned her that working with the White Fang would go poorly, pointing out that the only reason they were caught committing the crime was due to someone ''specifically'' looking for the White Fang. He does, however, keep the fact that ''he'' set off the explosion in order to escape to himself.
* ItAmusedMe: The reason why Roman sics the unpowered White Fang terrorists on Huntress-in-training Blake despite them not having a chance against her.

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* IWarnedYou: After ILetYouWin: Roman's poor showing in the attempt Volume 2 train duel with Blake is attributed here to steal a large shipment of Dust at the docks ends in a fiery explosion, Roman is quick him being ordered to gleefully remind Cinder throw a fight like that he warned her that working with the White Fang would go poorly, pointing out if necessary as part of Cinder's plan to get him captured. To him it adds insult to injury that the only reason they were caught committing the crime was due to someone ''specifically'' looking for the White Fang. He does, however, keep the fact plan that ''he'' set off the explosion in order to escape to himself.
* ItAmusedMe: The reason why Roman sics the unpowered White Fang terrorists on Huntress-in-training Blake despite them not having
may ruin his reputation as a chance against her.gentleman thief, by making him a mass-murderer, would also ruin his reputation as a ''competent'' thief, by making him get his ass kicked by a teenager.


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* ItAmusedMe: The reason why Roman sics the unpowered White Fang terrorists on Huntress-in-training Blake despite them not having a chance against her.
* IWarnedYou: After the attempt to steal a large shipment of Dust at the docks ends in a fiery explosion, Roman is quick to gleefully remind Cinder that he warned her that working with the White Fang would go poorly, pointing out that the only reason they were caught committing the crime was due to someone ''specifically'' looking for the White Fang. He does, however, keep the fact that ''he'' set off the explosion in order to escape to himself.
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* AdaptationalWimp: Banesaw, the White Fang Lieutenant in canon. In the show, he was able to defeat Weiss on the train and would have killed her if not for Blake's rescue. In contrast, here his [[{{Muggle}} Aura remains locked]] and his chainsaw can't penetrate an enemy's Aura.
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* NoJustNoReaction: Roman and Neo are horrified to learn that the White Fang have left the keys to the stolen Atlesian Paladin's ignition in the mech while smuggling it with the idea of quickly piloting it if necessary (which would almost certainly cause catastrophic damage with an untrained pilot and attract Atlas' attention), leading the former to say this word for word.
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* AdaptationalBackstoryChange: Rather than the canon backstory, Coeur goes with his original backstory of Roman being an ex-Huntsman-in-training and Bartholomew Oobleck's former partner who became jaded and turned to a life of crime after the rest of his team was killed in the Mountain Glenn disaster.


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* HollywoodMidLifeCrisis: The dawning realization that he is aging is, and that [[HowTheMightyHaveFallen his glory days may be behind him]], is the catalyst for Roman to try to recapture the limelight and prove he still has his youthful vigor.
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* ShoutOut: Roman informs Team RWBY, Penny, and Sun that the [[WesternAnimation/{{Megamind}} difference between him and the White Fang is "PRESENTATION!"]] before igniting the Dust around them.

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* IWarnedYou: After the attempt to steal a large shipment of Dust at the docks ends in a fiery explosion, Roman is quick to gleefully remind Cinder that he warned her that working with the White Fang would go poorly, pointing out that the only reason they were caught committing the crime was due to someone ''specifically'' looking for the White Fang. He does, however, keep the fact that ''he'' set of the explosion in order to escape to himself.

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* IWarnedYou: After the attempt to steal a large shipment of Dust at the docks ends in a fiery explosion, Roman is quick to gleefully remind Cinder that he warned her that working with the White Fang would go poorly, pointing out that the only reason they were caught committing the crime was due to someone ''specifically'' looking for the White Fang. He does, however, keep the fact that ''he'' set of off the explosion in order to escape to himself.



* NotSoHarmlessVillain: In spite of his quixotic attempts at recapturing his glory days, Roman is this. Neo muses that had Roman ''truly'' been an idiot, he would have been caught more often then he had been. When their lives are genuinely in danger, or if he's in a particularly bad mood, the cold-blooded criminal both capable of and reponsible for murder beneath the flamboyance emerges. Roman just prefers to not display this version of himself very often, considering it his boring side.

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* NotSoHarmlessVillain: In spite of his quixotic attempts at recapturing his glory days, Roman is this. Neo muses that had Roman ''truly'' been an idiot, he would have been caught more often then he had been. When their lives are genuinely in danger, or if he's in a particularly bad mood, the cold-blooded criminal both capable of and reponsible responsible for murder beneath the flamboyance emerges. Roman just prefers to not display this version of himself very often, considering it his boring side.


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* ShootTheHostage: Roman and Neo hitch a ride on a Vale News Network airship to escape the battle on the docks. When Roman gallantly insists that Lisa and her news crew aren't hostages, Penny takes this to mean they are aiding and abetting his escape and opens fire, ultimately downing the vehicle.

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* HeroicComedicSociopath: Penny Polendina has vibes of this to a degree; as an Atlesian [[RobotSoldier gynoid]] she is both [[NoSocialSkills rather clueless]] to to her new friends' [[ThouShallNotKill squeamishness]] and operates according to the Atlesian military's more ruthless rules of engagement.

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* HeroicComedicSociopath: Penny Polendina has vibes of this to a degree; this; as an Atlesian [[RobotSoldier gynoid]] she is both [[NoSocialSkills rather clueless]] to to her new friends' [[ThouShallNotKill squeamishness]] and operates according to the Atlesian military's more ruthless rules of engagement.



* IWarnedYou: After the attempt to steal a large shipment of Dust at the docks ends in a fiery explosion, Roman is quick to gleefully remind Cinder that he warned her that working with the White Fang would go poorly, pointing out that the only reason they were caught committing the crime was due to someone ''specifically'' looking for the White Fang. He does, however, keep the fact that ''he'' set of the explosion in order to escape to himself.



* LighterAndSofter: In comparison to some of Coeur's more serious and darker words like ''Remnant Invicta'', ''Raise'' and ''Null'', ''The Second Torch'' is much more light-hearted with an emphasis on comedy.

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* LighterAndSofter: In comparison to some of Coeur's more serious and darker words like ''Remnant Invicta'', ''Raise'' ''Raise'', and ''Null'', ''The Second Torch'' is much more light-hearted with an emphasis on comedy.



** Roman has his own moments, however; he doesn't try to fight Ruby for very long when she interrupts his robbery of the Dust store because he doesn't think he can beat her without killing her, which would make him the target of every Huntsman and Huntress in Beacon (though Ruby's skill certainly played a role, something he's in denial about). He also later vetoes Banesaw's proposal to execute Ruby on video partly for this reason, and partly because being a child murderer doesn't fit the image of charming rogue he's going for.

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** Roman has his own moments, however; he doesn't try to fight Ruby for very long when she interrupts his robbery of the Dust store because he doesn't think he can beat her without killing her, which would make him the target of every Huntsman and Huntress in Beacon (though Ruby's skill certainly played a role, something he's in denial about). He also later instructs Neo to not use lethal force against Team RWBY and Sun at the docks and vetoes Banesaw's proposal to execute Ruby on video partly for this reason, and as well as partly in the latter case because being a child murderer doesn't fit the image of charming rogue he's going for.for.
* SayingTooMuch: Stressed by the heat the White Fang has attracted after their battle at the docks and Roman's needling of her over it, Cinder inadvertently reveals to the master thief that she's infiltrating Beacon Academy. Until this slip, Cinder had been very careful to only give Roman as much information as he needed to know to perform his immediate tasks.



* VerbalBackpedaling: During their fight on the docks, an irritated Ruby snaps at Roman that her name is Ruby, not "Red," at which point her new friend Penny proceeds to destroy up a Bullhead with people still onboard. Ruby quickly tries to retract her last statement.

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* VerbalBackpedaling: During their fight on the docks, an irritated Ruby snaps at Roman that her name is Ruby, not "Red," at which point her new friend Penny proceeds to destroy up a Bullhead with people still onboard. Ruby quickly tries to retract her last statement.
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* InnocentInnuendo: When Roman snarks at [[WalkingShirtlessScene Sun Wukong]] to put on a shirt because just looking at him makes him feel cold, Sun ripostes with, "Then maybe you and I can keep one another warn." Sun means through the exertion of fighting, but an [[YaoiFangirl excited Neo]] interprets it differently and makes a lewd gesture.

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* InnocentInnuendo: When Roman snarks at [[WalkingShirtlessScene Sun Wukong]] to put on a shirt because just looking at him makes him feel cold, Sun ripostes with, "Then maybe you and I can keep one another warn.warm." Sun means through the exertion of fighting, but an [[YaoiFangirl excited Neo]] interprets it differently and makes a lewd gesture.
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* [[CorporateSponsoredSuperhero Corpotate-Sponsored Supervillain]]: When Roman begins to garner press attention again, tobacco company Huntsman Silver Cigars notices that he's no longer smoking their product while committing crimes and query through a fansite he runs whether he's quit. When he explains that he's simply run out, the company drops off an entire crate of its cigars at a location of Roman's choosing in exchange for brand exclusivity while performing his criminal acts.

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* [[CorporateSponsoredSuperhero Corpotate-Sponsored Corporate-Sponsored Supervillain]]: When Roman begins to garner press attention again, tobacco company Huntsman Silver Cigars notices that he's no longer smoking their product while committing crimes and query through a fansite he runs whether he's quit. When he explains that he's simply run out, the company drops off an entire crate of its cigars at a location of Roman's choosing in exchange for brand exclusivity while performing his criminal acts.
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* HypocriticalHumor: As he makes his getaway from the docks, Roman taunts Team RWBY, Sun, and Penny that future foes won't stand around and let them finish their monologue. Neo considers this the most hypocritical thing Roman has ever said, as he has repeatedly tried to monologue throughout the story.
** In the same chapter, Roman bails out of a damaged Bullhead falling towards the ocean with reporter Lisa Lavender (and, more importantly, her camera) and dashingly tells her he'd never leave a fair maiden to sink. Neo promptly breaks the surface of the water the moment Roman finishes this line, having been left behind with the rest of Lisa's news team when the aircraft went down.
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* HeroicComedicSociopath: Penny Polendina has vibes of this to a degree; as an Atlesian [[RobotSoldier gynoid]] she is both [[NoSocialSkills rather clueless]] to to her new friends' [[ThouShallNotKill squeamishness]] and operates according to the Atlesian military's more ruthless rules of engagement.
-->'''Roman''': Oh look! The whole gang is here. Finished murdering faunus who wanted nothing more than to fight for equality, have we?\\
'''Blake''': Murdered? We didn't--\\
'''Penny''': ''(cheerfully)'' I have neutralized the terrorists who tried to escape! In accordance with Atlas military doctrine! Atlas does not negotiate with terrorists. You're welcome, friend Ruby!


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* OhCrap: Team RWBY has this reaction when they realize that their new friend Penny's interpretation of helping them means using excessive, lethal force against the White Fang on the docks.

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* TheGadfly: Roman is very unhappy to be working with the White Fang, and makes it known by needling them at every opportunity.



* ItAmusedMe: The reason why Roman sics the unpowered White Fang terrorists on Huntress-in-training Blake despite them not having a chance against her.
* InnocentInnuendo: When Roman snarks at [[WalkingShirtlessScene Sun Wukong]] to put on a shirt because just looking at him makes him feel cold, Sun ripostes with, "Then maybe you and I can keep one another warn." Sun means through the exertion of fighting, but an [[YaoiFangirl excited Neo]] interprets it differently and makes a lewd gesture.



* {{Nosebleed}}: Neo develops one when Sun makes an [[InnocentInnuendo accidentally suggestive]] proposal to Roman.



** Roman has his own moments, however; he doesn't try to fight Ruby for very long when she interrupts his robbery of the Dust store because he doesn't think he can beat her without killing her, which would make him the target of every Huntsman and Huntress in Beacon. He also later vetoes Banesaw's proposal to execute Ruby on video partly for this reason, and partly because being a child murderer doesn't fit the image of charming rogue he's going for.

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** Roman has his own moments, however; he doesn't try to fight Ruby for very long when she interrupts his robbery of the Dust store because he doesn't think he can beat her without killing her, which would make him the target of every Huntsman and Huntress in Beacon.Beacon (though Ruby's skill certainly played a role, something he's in denial about). He also later vetoes Banesaw's proposal to execute Ruby on video partly for this reason, and partly because being a child murderer doesn't fit the image of charming rogue he's going for.


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* {{Troll}}: Roman is very unhappy to be working with the White Fang, and makes it known by needling them at every opportunity. When Blake interrupts the Dust heist at the docks, Neo questions why he's sent the unpowered White Fang terrorists against Blake, who clearly has Huntress training. Roman shamelessly admits it's [[ItAmusedMe because it was hilarious]].


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* VerbalBackpedaling: During their fight on the docks, an irritated Ruby snaps at Roman that her name is Ruby, not "Red," at which point her new friend Penny proceeds to destroy up a Bullhead with people still onboard. Ruby quickly tries to retract her last statement.
-->'''Ruby''': You tricked me! And it's not Red, it's Ruby! Ruby Rose!\\
''(Penny blows up a Bullhead with a huge laser)''\\
'''Roman''': Daaaamn. That your lot, Ruby? Because, yikes, you just scored yourself a higher body count than me. Congrats on that one.\\
'''Ruby''': [[ImplausibleDeniability It's Red! Not Ruby. Who's Ruby? Not me. Ruby is in bed because it's her bedtime. She isn't racking up a kill count.]]
* YaoiFangirl: Neo becomes [[{{Nosebleed}} very excited]] at Sun's suggestion to Roman that they [[InnocentInnuendo "keep one another warm,"]] forcing the mortified hero to explain that he didn't mean it ''that'' way.

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* TheGadfly: Roman is very unhappy to be working with the White Fang, and makes it known by needling them at every opportunity.



* GentlemanThief: A well-dressed rogue who looks more at home in posh society than robbing store, at least when he was younger.

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* GentlemanThief: A Roman portrays himself as a well-dressed rogue who looks more at home in posh society than robbing store, at least when he was younger.

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* MoralityChain: In a weird way, Roman is this for Neo. Neo recognizes that she [[{{Sadist}} enjoys killing and doesn't need a reason to do it]], but restrains herself because Roman disdains killing unless necessary (less for moral reasons than because he considers it gauche) and would be disappointed in her if she indulged too much.



* NotSoHarmlessVillain: In spite of his quixotic attempts at recapturing his glory days, Roman is this. Neo muses that had Roman ''truly'' been an idiot, he would have been caught more often then he had been. When their lives are genuinely in danger, or if he's in a particularly bad mood, the cold-blooded criminal beneath the flamboyance emerges. Roman just prefers to not display this version of himself very often, considering it his boring side.

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* NotSoHarmlessVillain: In spite of his quixotic attempts at recapturing his glory days, Roman is this. Neo muses that had Roman ''truly'' been an idiot, he would have been caught more often then he had been. When their lives are genuinely in danger, or if he's in a particularly bad mood, the cold-blooded criminal both capable of and reponsible for murder beneath the flamboyance emerges. Roman just prefers to not display this version of himself very often, considering it his boring side.


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* [[HisOwnWorstEnemy Their Own Worst Enemy]]: Roman observes to Neo that the White Fang's actions only serve to foster and exacerbate bigotry towards Faunus and encourage humans to think that the attempt to forcibly relocate all Faunus to Menagerie was the right idea after all. Later, he notes that this deliberate on the part of the White Fang's leadership; while they genuinely want to end racism towards Faunus in the long term, in the short term part of the reason for their terrorist tactics is to incite indiscriminate retaliation against Faunus for the purposes of alienation, radicalization, and recruitment.
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* ArchEnemy: Much to his chagrin, Roman realizes that Ruby Rose has cemented herself as his and he's just going to have to make the best of it.

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* DidntThinkThisThrough: Roman runs into several hiccups with his schemes due to a combination of prioritizing optics over sensibility and how things have changed since he first began his criminal career.

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* DidntThinkThisThrough: [[CorporateSponsoredSuperhero Corpotate-Sponsored Supervillain]]: When Roman begins to garner press attention again, tobacco company Huntsman Silver Cigars notices that he's no longer smoking their product while committing crimes and query through a fansite he runs into several hiccups with his schemes due to a combination whether he's quit. When he explains that he's simply run out, the company drops off an entire crate of prioritizing optics over sensibility and how things have changed since he first began its cigars at a location of Roman's choosing in exchange for brand exclusivity while performing his criminal career.acts.
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** As explained in detail in other entries on this page, Ruby ends up captured by the White Fang due to a bad case of this.


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* NotSoHarmlessVillain: In spite of his quixotic attempts at recapturing his glory days, Roman is this. Neo muses that had Roman ''truly'' been an idiot, he would have been caught more often then he had been. When their lives are genuinely in danger, or if he's in a particularly bad mood, the cold-blooded criminal beneath the flamboyance emerges. Roman just prefers to not display this version of himself very often, considering it his boring side.

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