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| 8 | The character sheet for the reinvention of Marvel's dysfunctional first family. |
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| 10 | !The Fantastic Four |
| 11 | [[folder:Mister Fantastic[=/=]The Maker]] |
| 12 | !!Reed Nathaniel Richards[=/=]Mister Fantastic[=/=]The Maker |
| 13 | [[quoteright:196:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/3c5ebc65bf3fb470ac1e12383fd25cc9.jpg]] |
| 14 | [[caption-width-right:196:As Mr. Fantastic]] |
| 15 | [[quoteright:196:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/reed_richards_earth_1610_from_avengers_vol_6_0_0011.jpg]] |
| 16 | [[caption-width-right:196:As The Maker]] |
| 17 | !!!'''Alter Ego:''' Reed Nathaniel Richards |
| 18 | !!!'''Notable Aliases:''' Mister Fantastic, The Maker |
| 19 | !!!'''First Appearance:''' ''Ultimate Fantastic Four'' #1 (February, 2004)[[note]]As Reed Richards[[/note]]; ''Ultimate Fantastic Four'' #21 (September, 2005) [[note]]As Mister Fantastic[[/note]]; ''Ultimates'' (Vol. 2) #1 (August, 2011) [[note]]As The Maker[[/note]] |
| 20 | At the age of 21, Reed, along with other scientists, attempted to teleport organic material through an alternate plane of existence called the N-Zone, with Sue assisting him and Johnny and Ben observing the demonstration. The experiment goes awry, resulting in the four being engulfed in a parallel dimension termed as the "N-Zone" and grants the four with super-powers, with Reed being able to stretch his body parts to incredible lengths and is endowed with enhanced durability. |
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| 22 | After a series of adventures and encounters with a number of super-human and extraterrestrial threats, during the four's attempts to solve the mystery behind the source of their new-found powers and turn Reed and Ben back to normal, the four are later exposed to the media and public, who name the group as: "The Fantastic Four", with Reed undertaking the alias of "Mr. Fantastic" and embarking on numerous adventures and conflicts against inter-dimensional adversaries and super-human enemies. |
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| 24 | A well-meaning, altruistic and unassuming, but socially-awkward, quirky, eccentric and over-analytical polymath in his early-20s. Reed balanced his love and passion for science with his blossoming relationship with Sue, while also serving as the brains and leader of the Fantastic Four, devising the team's equipment and strategy against adversaries, while being notably younger and snarkier than his mainstream counterpart. |
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| 26 | However, Sue's rejection of him, the dissolution of his team and being transported to a different universe took its toll on him. He returned scarred, more pragmatic and seemingly devoid of humanity, taking on the role of the Ultimate Universe's BigBad. |
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| 28 | With the Ultimate Universe's destruction imminent, he escaped aboard a life raft, and arrived on [[ComicBook/SecretWars2015 Battleworld]]. There, he met the Reed Richards of the main Marvel universe (Earth-616), who was wiser, kinder and more sentimental. Despising his alternate self, he tried to kill him, but would wind up literally sliced into pieces for his trouble. |
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| 30 | When the multiverse was restored, these pieces of him were spread throughout the multiverse. However, they all shared the same consciousness, giving him a multiversal presence. He would work throughout the multiverse, but primarily out of the main Marvel universe, continuing his pursuit of absolute science. |
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| 32 | For the trope, see TheMaker. |
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| 34 | * AbusiveParents: His father was, essentially, what happens when a stereotypical JerkJock grows up to have a son who's a nerd... |
| 35 | * AdaptationalAngstDowngrade: Regarding the incident that gave the four their powers, which was MyGreatestFailure for the 616 Reed, while here it was instead caused by Doom, perhaps one of the reasons this Reed eventually decided he could do no wrong. |
| 36 | * AdaptationalAngstUpgrade: As a result of having an abusive dad, Ultimate!Reed had more of a troubled childhood. In addition to that, he was bullied at school (616 Reed had a better time at school, generally getting along with his classmates). On the plus side, his mom was still around (616 Mrs. Richards died when he was young). |
| 37 | * AdaptationalBadass: 616-Reed is a RubberMan who is capable of stretching and compressing his body in varying shapes with obvious limitations. Ultimate!Reed is far more fluid with his powers due to AdaptationalSuperpowerChange and can go much, ''much'' further after his FaceHeelTurn. |
| 38 | * AdaptationalJerkass: He initially merely started off as a case of this, as while the classic Reed could be a dick from time to time DependingOnTheWriter, he was still a compassionate leader and a devoted husband and father. This Reed is far more brooding and standoffish, even before he becomes a full-blown case of... |
| 39 | * AdaptationalVillainy: After ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}'', he turns against everyone, and essentially becomes the new ComicBook/DoctorDoom. He's even the page image for [[AdaptationalVillainy/UltimateMarvel subpage on the subject]] for ''Ultimate Marvel''. |
| 40 | * AlternateCompanyEquivalent: Being the WorldsSmartestMan and a FallenHero, he's this to ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'s Ozymandias and ComicBook/{{Invincible}}'s Robot. However [[TheSociopath in terms]] [[ItsAllAboutMe of personality]] he's Marvels ComicBook/LexLuthor, a role he shares with Doctor Doom. |
| 41 | * AlternateUniverseReedRichardsIsAwesome: Reed works for a government think-tank, but eventually gets so frustrated at not being able to change the world for the better in this position that he decides to [[KnightTemplar MAKE things change]]. [[FaceHeelTurn By force.]] He's since conquered and destroyed most of Europe, destroyed Washington, D.C. along with the President and the House of Representatives, killed nearly all the Asgardians and devastated Asgard, and now rules a nation notably more powerful than the United States. Until he was stopped by Tony Stark's sentient tumor. |
| 42 | * AlwaysSomeoneBetter: [[spoiler:If his rant to the new president is any indication, he considers Tony Stark this.]] |
| 43 | ** Once he goes to the 616 universe, he finds that the other Reed Richards is smarter than him and that [[ComicBook/{{Sunspot}} Roberto da Costa]] will completely own him in a battle of wits. |
| 44 | * BadassBookworm: His stretch powers were regarded as the suckiest of the four right up to the point where he decided to pitch in anyway. Cue Doctor Doom getting thrown into scenery, Annihilus getting shot in the mouth (with his own gun!), and Diablo getting his Supervillain Lair blown up. |
| 45 | * BadBoss: As the head of W.H.I.S.P.E.R., he takes his minions asking for help as volunteering to be subject to experimentation. And if they do well, he "rewards" them by removing their organs (without anaesthetic) and turning them into sycophantic insect-people. |
| 46 | * BecameTheirOwnAntithesis: As the Maker, his grand plan in ''Ultimate Comics: The Ultimates'' was to publicly and ferociously force the world into an authoritarian scientific utopia, wresting power away from those that would hold mankind back. In the ''ComicBook/UltimateUniverse2023'', he has given up hope of creating a perfect society due to the apparent impossibility of it being sustainable in his simulations, and has installed himself as a shadow ruler of the titular alternate Earth, stoking artificial international conflict and restricting progress so that he and his cohorts can stay on top. |
| 47 | * BigBad: Post-''Ultimatum''. After Ultimate Magneto’s death, Ultimate Reed Richard becomes the new BigBad of the Ultimate Universe as a whole, surpassing and perhaps becoming even more dangerous and megalomaniacal than Ultimate Doom himself. |
| 48 | * BigBadEnsemble: With Carnage and Knull for the 2018 ''Venom'' comic book run. |
| 49 | * BizarreAlienBiology: Post-transforming, Reed's cells have been replaced with "pliable bacterial stacks," which are described as single cells that duplicate most of the larger functions of the human body. Essentially, he no longer has most of his organs or even a skeleton; his human shape is just an affectation for convenience/memory's sake. In addition to allowing his RubberMan powers to function at all, the change means that he no longer eats, excretes, breathes, ages, or bleeds. To give a concrete example of how much this has changed him: shortly after his FaceHeelTurn, Ultimate Susan Storm tries to kill him by expanding a forcefield bubble inside his brain. Aside from momentarily inflating his head like a balloon, it does ''nothing'' to him, because his biology doesn't work that way anymore. If anything, it just ticks him off once he gets over the shock and realizes that Sue tried to kill him. |
| 50 | * BodyHorror: His transformation removed most, if not all, of his internal organs and his entire skeletal structure. He also enjoys enlarging his brain -- grotesquely distorting his head in the process. |
| 51 | * BullyingADragon: In ''Venom'' Vol. 4 his offhand comment that he intends to exhume and desecrate Flash Thompson's corpse enrages the Venom symbiote, which goes berserk and overwhelms his shapeshifting powers with its own before stuffing him into a morgue locker. |
| 52 | * CardCarryingVillain: Not out-and-out, but during ''New Avengers'' he introduces his organization, W.H.I.S.P.E.R. as "A.I.M. if they were still fun" (meaning, still committing mad science). |
| 53 | * TheChessmaster: He is the architect of the Earth 6160’s societal structure and is behind essentially everything that happens, including devising the endless cycle of conflict. |
| 54 | * ChildProdigy: He built a teleporter when he was a child. It's how the Baxter Building found him. |
| 55 | * CompositeCharacter: As the Maker he shares many elements with Doctor Doom. |
| 56 | * CoolHelmet: His helmet looks like a cross between [[Franchise/{{Metroid}} Samus' visor]] and [[Franchise/{{Alien}} the Xenomorph's distinctive cranium.]] |
| 57 | * CreateYourOwnHero: He lets Earth-6160's Howard Stark in on the secrets of his world, assuming he would be perfectly fine with them. In fact, Howard's so disgusted he decides to bring Reed and everything he's built down. |
| 58 | * DeathIsCheap: [[spoiler:At the end of ''Secret Wars'', he's apparently reduced to slices by Molecule Man, only to come back in the pages of ''New Avengers'' none the worse for wear. As it turns out, what Owen did allowed a "slice" of Reed to exist in every universe that 616 Reed created.]] |
| 59 | * DidntSeeThatComing: A consistent problem he has, sometimes because of things he legitimately couldn't know about, other times because he's an arrogant jerk and cannot consider the possibility he's wrong. Roberto [=daCosta=] uses it to outwit him ''repeatedly''. |
| 60 | * DisabledInTheAdaptation: Ultimate Reed Richards needs to wear prescription glasses, unlike his 616 counterpart. |
| 61 | * DoppelgangerLink: Issue #17 of ''ComicBook/NewAvengers2015'' reveals that after ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'', [[spoiler:the Maker was split into multiple copies of himself, with each one placed in the newly created multiverse. Each of these versions shares the same consciousness, allowing them to operate independently.]] |
| 62 | * EvenEvilHasStandards: By ''Ultimate Invasion'', he openly admits he hates resorting to acts of murder to secure his reign, prefer far subtler methods, but he'll still use them if he has to. |
| 63 | * EveryoneHasStandards: Actually done for laughs. He'll murder entire planets, wipe out whole civilizations, and tear your brain out with pliers... but he's not going to peep on someone using the can. He's got minions for ''that''. |
| 64 | * EvilCounterpart: To the mainstream Reed Richards. Whereas 616 Reed will ''always'' pick his family over science in the end, Ultimate Reed does not and has discarded his humanity and his family. When the two meet, 616 Reed is ''shocked'' that any version of him could turn out like Ultimate Reed has. While the Council of Reeds was at times incredibly pragmatic, they still served the greater good in the end and devoted their lives to helping people across the multiverse; this Reed doesn't and is every bit the malevolent MadScientist the mainstream Reed feared he could become. |
| 65 | * EvilIsPetty: |
| 66 | ** Though he'll hide it behind posturing, some of his acts are just him being a jerk who needs to show off to the world. He was already planning on betraying his Universe 616 counterpart during ''Secret Wars'' anyway, but he mentions the tipping point was seeing him interact with a brainwashed / amnesiac Sue Storm and being disgusted by the emotional display. |
| 67 | ** He not only negates 6160 Reed's superhero origin, but imprisons and tortures him for who knows how long, seemingly all because 616 Reed said that he'd negate the Maker's existence if given the chance. After the dude had committed a ton of atrocities, at that. |
| 68 | * EvilMakesYouUgly: This is his ultimate fate when it's revealed he has been behind everything in the [[{{Crossover}} ''Ultimate Doomsday Trilogy'']]. |
| 69 | * EvilWearsBlack: On turning evil, he discards his Fantastic Four jumpsuit for a black shirt with red TronLines. After becoming The Maker, he goes for a black jumpsuit instead. |
| 70 | * {{Expy}}: Of Doctor Doom, after he turns evil. His FaceHeelTurn mimics the 616-incarnation of Doom, even resulting in a scarred face that he hides behind a metallic helmet. It's even lampshaded by Johnny Storm after his betrayal during ''Ultimate Doom''. |
| 71 | -->''"Reed Richards is Doctor Doom. He's more Doctor Doom than Doctor Doom was... and Doctor Doom was pretty good at being Doctor Doom."'' |
| 72 | * EyeScream: His right eye is blinded when Johnny burns his face. Despite his incredible healing factor, it remains like this permanently. |
| 73 | * FaceHeelTurn: He became a villain as well after faking his own death. He became one of the {{Big Bad}}s of the Ultimate Marvel universe, and tried to forcibly remake the world into a utopia. After ''Secret Wars'', he served as a villain to the new Ultimates. |
| 74 | * FallenHero: He starts out heroic like his 616 counterpart, only to descend into evil. |
| 75 | * FatalFlaw: Once he becomes The Maker, his ego and supreme arrogance. Reed is definitely super-intelligent, but assumes he knows the best way to solve any problem, which is usually needlessly destructive and violent. 616 Reed calls him out on it -- or rather, more generally calls him out on his ItsAllAboutMe attitude. Once in the Marvel Universe, he still retains this know-it-all attitude, but frequently finds himself out-thought by his adversaries, or blindsided by some aspect of the regular Marvel universe he forgot to account for. |
| 76 | * FightingAShadow: After ''Secret Wars'' Molecule Man puts a copy of him in ''every'' restored reality, which all share the same mind. Even if one is destroyed, another from a parallel universe can just replace him and continue his work. |
| 77 | * {{Foil}}: Reed and Victor both share a similar backstory, suffering at the hands of abusive fathers and pouring all their energy into science at a young age. Unlike Victor, however, Reed had a loving mother and younger sister, as well as a best friend in the form of Ben Grimm, which kept his life from being a living hell. Unfortunately, ''Ultimate Mystery'' and ''Ultimate Doom'' show us that even a loving mother, sister, and best friend isn't enough to keep Reed from going over the deep end to the point where the heroes are wondering if he's just Doom II. |
| 78 | * FreudianExcuse: When Reed was a child, he was abused by his father, who had no interest or tolerance for Reed's love of science. He was not respected by his peers, bullied in high school, and wanted to change the world, but could not change it the way he wanted to because he felt no one would let him. He felt guilty over his role in the Ultimatum Event which killed millions in New York, Sue rejected his marriage proposal, his teammates all quit the Fantastic Four team, and finally he was prodded to be a worldwide savior by Kang the Conqueror. |
| 79 | * FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse: However, this does not justify his actions. He had a loving mother and two supporting sisters. He had a best friend in Ben, who protected him from bullies as a child and in high school. He was accepted into the Baxter Building, where his genius could be nurtured, a new father in Franklin Storm, and a new family in Sue, Johnny, and Ben. Yet when things fall apart he turns against his former love and friends and murders his whole family. This was best summed up by an alternate animal world version of Miles Morales. |
| 80 | -->'''Miles Morhames''': He committed genocide and tried to rewrite the rules of physics, economics, and society to make himself feel better and impress a girl. |
| 81 | * FromASingleCell: Ben manages [[spoiler:to kill The Maker... or so he thinks. It turned out that the body Ben destroyed was merely an extra body spawned from a hair-thin tendril from his central mass which is quickly regenerated. When he is finally cornered by the Ultimates and his former teammates, he implies that so long as a microscopic bit of him remains, his bacterial stack can grow back.]] |
| 82 | * FromNobodyToNightmare: He started out as a bullied teenager mocked for his intelligence and became a superhero, but after growing out of favor with the way the world is run decided to take over the world, and now he's basically the Ultimate version of Doctor Doom and someone who even ''616 Thanos'' treats with grudging respect. |
| 83 | * GenreBlind: Once in the main Marvel universe. He's convinced he's got a bead on its nature but fails to realize the entire universe is much more bizarre and fantastical than he's used to. |
| 84 | * GenreRefugee: One of the things that trips him up on Earth-616. Reed's from a more {{Capepunk}} style universe, so the FantasyKitchenSink elements keep throwing him for a loop (not to mention the usually more optimistic nature of reality). |
| 85 | * GoMadFromTheRevelation: Part of why Reed went off the deep end was he, like 616 Reed, found a way to peer into the multiverse and see alternate universes. Presumably, it was seeing the universes where he or at least versions of him were able to fix the world and seeing how wonderful it would be along with worlds that turned to hell because he or a version of him wasn't allowed to help was one of the major factors leading to his mental breakdown and FaceHeelTurn. |
| 86 | * GoodScarsEvilScars: Received from Johnny Storm, after he attempted to kill Susan Storm. For unknown reasons, it shrank over time, going from massive disfigurement to just a mild scratch across one eye. Justified by TheReveal that he's basically a HumanoidAbomination. |
| 87 | * HandicappedBadass: He wears prescription glasses but he's still an effective superhero thanks to his SuperIntelligence and BizarreAlienBiology. Getting blinded in his right eye courtesy of Johnny Storm after harming Susan in his FaceHeelTurn doesn't slow him down one bit as it all but cements him as a HumanoidAbomination capable of performing all sorts of BodyHorror feats. |
| 88 | * HeelFaceTurn: Saw the error of his ways after Cataclysm after witnessing the alternate life he would have had if he stayed with Sue and remained a good person. Or not, as ''[[ComicBook/TheAvengersJonathanHickman New Avengers]]'' revealed he was faking it, and just continued on with what he was doing anyway. |
| 89 | * HeelRealisation: Seems to have one in ''Hunger'' after meeting the mainstream Valeria Richards and realizing the life he could have had. [[spoiler:[[SubvertedTrope It's fake]].]] |
| 90 | * HelmetsAreHardlyHeroic: Has a conical helmet covering his face, which handily conceals his identity. |
| 91 | * HeroKiller: He briefly resurrects the Captain America of his universe, then kills the man again when he stops doing what Reed says. |
| 92 | * HiddenAgendaVillain: During his time running W.H.I.S.P.E.R., he claims the organization has some nebulous goal he's pursuing, but since he refuses to elaborate on what that goal is, the general indication seems to be just doing whatever mad idea he can think of. |
| 93 | * HumanOutsideAlienInside: He looks like a normal human being but no longer has internal organs, merely possessing a "bacterial stack" in its place. Oh, and he no longer craps. |
| 94 | * HumanoidAbomination: The logical extent of his powers. After Reed becomes The Maker, he drops all pretense of being human anymore and becomes an amorphous tentacle beast able to [[MesACrowd create false bodies]] from a hair-thin tendril and even ''stretching his brain'' to become smarter. |
| 95 | * ImmortalImmaturity: One of the advantages of his power is he doesn't age... unfortunately for everyone else, this means he's still the stone-cold psycho he was when he first became the Maker. |
| 96 | * ImmortalityImmorality: His powers prevent him from aging, so he's at least several hundred years old. It doesn't stop him from committing numerous acts of mass murder. |
| 97 | * InsufferableGenius: While 616!Reed has moments of this trope, this incarnation of Reed is far more blatant about it. It becomes even worse after his turn to evil. |
| 98 | * ItGetsEasier: Laments during ''Jonathan Hickman's Avengers'' as he prepares to destroy another Earth that he's "gotten too good" at it. |
| 99 | * ItsAllAboutMe: He views himself as the sole savior of the universe and feels everyone who is against him is wrong. |
| 100 | * ItsAllMyFault: Way back when, he did blame himself for the events of ''Ultimatum'' being kicked off by Doom. That was back when he had empathy for other people. And, all things considered, it's an unfair assessment, given the convoluted nature of that whole mess meant even Reed's best predictive models couldn't have seen it coming. |
| 101 | * ItGetsEasier: During ''Time Runs Out'', he actually laments that he's gotten too good at destroying alternate Earths. |
| 102 | * {{Jerkass}}: Especially after he lost it. Reed become a petulant, arrogant child with a God complex. |
| 103 | * JerkWithAHeartOfGold: He meant well... sort of, but there are moments where he's incredibly arrogant and bad-tempered. Becomes a full on JerkWithAHeartOfJerk when he turns evil because he felt being good was holding him back. |
| 104 | * KarmaHoudini: One of the most egregious examples in Marvel Comics. [[spoiler:Even after everything he did to the Europe and Asgard of his universe, he's given no real punishment, and is even allowed to go back to working for S.H.I.E.L.D. by Nick Fury. When the Ultimate Universe is destroyed by an Incursion, Reed manages to survive on-board a life raft, escaping to Battleworld. After what goes down there, he survives and passes through into the new Marvel Universe afterward, where he restarts his mad science anew. Even after all his apocalyptic shenanigans with the New Avengers, the collapsing Multiverse, and the Symbiotes, he ends up back in his own restored universe free to cause trouble again and with no heroes to get in his way.]] |
| 105 | * KnightTemplar: He wishes to solve all the problems of the Earth, no matter the cost. |
| 106 | * TheKnightsWhoSaySquee: He has the time of his life teaming up with Iron Man to study alien tech during the ''Ultimate Galactus trilogy''. |
| 107 | * MaddenIntoMisanthropy: Initially, all this Reed wanted was to make the world a better place. Then all of his efforts to bring wonders and miracles of science to the world are stymied and hindered by the people trying to maintain the status quo or use his genius for their own ends. Now, he'll change the world/universe any way he can and to hell with morality or consequences. |
| 108 | * MadScientist: A relatively restrained one during his time in the Ultimate Universe, if only because of its physical laws. Once he gets to the regular reality, all bets are off. His first evil scheme in ''New Avengers'' is causing a plague in Paris that turns people into diamond-headed undead, that functions as a "necrophone" to summon a sorcerer from two omniverses ago. Why? Why not? |
| 109 | * MagicGenetics: Attempted to be {{justified|Trope}}. Reed is able to stretch and not crush his organs because all he has in the way of organs is a colony of symbiotic bacteria who take in food and air and give his body nutrition. His origin is now {{justified|Trope}} as well too, as his powers are not from cosmic radiation anymore, but rather from swapping bodies with a double from another universe. |
| 110 | * TheMaker: He created a pocket universe, one that's positively utopian... then tries to use it to replace the real world. |
| 111 | * MythologyGag: His development into The Maker - with his elongated helmet and setting himself up as the head of an isolated society evolving thousands of years past the rest of humanity - is exactly like an old Fantastic Four villain Harvey Jessup, who did the same thing in Reed's hometown. |
| 112 | * NeverRecycleYourSchemes: Usually, he plays this straight, but he's got a fondness for City that makes him try to recreate it after he winds up in the regular Marvel universe. Unfortunately for him, the nature of that universe means City doesn't ''[[LargeHam quite]]'' turn out the way he'd hoped. |
| 113 | * NiceJobBreakingItHero: |
| 114 | ** He actually was trying to save the Multiverse in ''[[ComicBook/TheUltimates2015 The Ultimates]]'', but unfortunately he screwed up and only made it that much easier for the First Firmament to consume Eternity. His inability to admit his mistake ("... No. I'd know. I have a mind that stretches across infinity...") is what leads to him butting heads with the eponymous team. |
| 115 | ** Part of his schemes against Avengers Idea Mechanics helps cure Angela Del Toro of her Hand-induced brainwashing. Which was what A.I.M. had been counting on. |
| 116 | * NightmareFetishist: Sue accuses him of being one during ''Ultimate Secret'', finding the idea of something going around wiping out civilisations in their crib interesting. |
| 117 | * NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: |
| 118 | ** In the ''Ultimate Enemy'' trilogy, [[spoiler:he's willing to kill his own family to fake his death, attacks organizations that he feels are repressing science's potential for their own corrupt reasons, and tries to TakeOverTheWorld so that he can finally "fix things" the way he always knew he could. His claims of good intentions are proven false though as he later creates a utopian civilization in another dimension, then brings it back and tries to ''wipe out humanity'' to replace it with this "better" version. Showing ultimately he's just motivated by a God complex]]. |
| 119 | ** To Earth 6160 at large, at least those who know him, he's a genius who has tried to solve most of the world's problems. They're unaware he's killed off most of those who would be their heroes. |
| 120 | * OmnicidalManiac: During ''Time Runs Out'', he's aware of the collapsing multiverse, but makes no effort to investigate or warn anyone, and actively speeds the whole process up. At the very end, he decides to wipe out both the Ultimate and Regular Marvel Universe because... well, because, apparently. |
| 121 | * OmnidisciplinaryScientist: One issue states that his status as this is at least partly due to the nature of his powers. Just as his body has become infinitely flexible and stretchable, his brain has as well, allowing him to adapt his mind to tackle any number of subjects. [[ComicBook/FantasticFour The mainstream comics]] also strongly imply this is the case. |
| 122 | * OnceDoneNeverForgotten: A comical version is Reed being a GiverOfLameNames which gets a lot of riffing the first time, and the second time he's made something he gets asked "So what's this one called, the ''Wonderbus''?" |
| 123 | * OvershadowedByAwesome: He was subject to this on his first run-ins with Earth-616 heroes. While he was an incredible threat on his home Ultimate universe, Earth-1610 was always far more grounded and "realistic", which made him far more harder to deal with. In the Prime Marvel Universe, there's dime a dozen universal conquerors with highly-evolved mooks at their disposal, which made him easier to thwart by their more experienced, powerful heroes. This also contributes to him trying to rebuild his home universe, which he can use as his own playground with no one else interfering. |
| 124 | * OtherMeAnnoysMe: His meeting with regular Reed Richards during ''Secret Wars'' has both of them annoyed by the other, Ultimate Reed finding his counterpart is far too focused on things that don't matter (read: his family and friends), and 616 Reed coldly retorting that unlike Ultimate Reed, he learned about how to care about things beyond himself. [[spoiler:By his reappearance in New Avengers, he's gotten over it, admiring 616 Reed's idealism, although in ''Venom'' Vol. 4 he's still annoyed by Spider-Man comparing him to the Earth-616 Reed]]. |
| 125 | * TheParanoiac: Earth-6160's Reed, who has decades of knowledge of his behavior, explicitly labels him as a paranoiac. |
| 126 | * PersonalityPowers: It was definitely a case of powers causing personality for Reed as he was revealed to be stretching his brain to make himself smarter. This perhaps helps explain why building a teleporter took him so long while his Time Machine was built in a relatively trivial fashion off-screen. |
| 127 | * PsychologicalProjection: All over the place in ''Ultimate Invasion''. He tells his Cabal that the reason they must hide their nature from the world is because all the "little people" would be too jealous of them, and he locks up an alternate Earth's Reed for decades out of fear that that Reed would be every bit as unhinged as he. |
| 128 | * PsychopathicManchild: Type C: Despite his high intelligence, he's very emotionally stunted as a result of being abused by his father. His only real motive for his crimes besides scientific amusement [[AttentionWhore is to force the entirety of creation]] [[GodhoodSeeker to become obsequious to him and his exploits.]] While he may present himself as a visionary genius trying to make a better world, at heart he's just trying to gain the admiration that his father never gave him. |
| 129 | * ReedRichardsIsUseless: Deconstructed; the governmental think-tank he belongs to keeps him focused predominantly on military technology and restrains release of his successful creations. The frustration at not being able to change the world despite knowing his technology could provide incredible advances to humanity eventually drives Reed ''insane''. So insane that he takes up the mantle of the now-deceased Ultimate Doctor Doom and becomes a supervillain whose actions lead to [[spoiler:the annihilation of Germany and Asgard]]. Furthermore, Reed then tried to turn Earth into a utopia whose plans included distributing free energy, spreading the crop-growing sentient seed to nations stricken with famine and hunger, and blowing up the Iranian Parliament along with any government official who refused to play nice. |
| 130 | * RequiredSecondaryPowers: His body is transformed into an undifferentiated "bacterial stack" with no internal organs or tissues, so he has no need to worry about, for example, his stretched arms going numb because his heart had to try to pump blood the length of a football field. He is capable of eating (his bacterial stack will break down the food for nutrients), but he no longer ''needs'' to - [[HandWave somehow]] his body has become so drastically efficient that the very air he breathes provides him with everything he needs to metabolize. |
| 131 | * ResurrectedForAJob: Molecule Man brought him back to life to try and fight the evils of the First Firmament. Reed went more than a little off-script. |
| 132 | * RoguesGalleryTransplant: Originally a villain to ComicBook/UltimateFantasticFour and the general ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Universe. Since immigrating the mainstream Franchise/MarvelUniverse, he would become a major antagonist to the ''[[ComicBook/NewAvengers2015 A.I.M. Avengers]], and then ComicBook/{{Venom}} in Creator/DonnyCates' [[ComicBook/VenomDonnyCates run on the character]]. Then, he travelled to Earth-6160 and remade it in his image, becoming the BigBad of the new [[ComicBook/UltimateUniverse2023 Ultimate Universe]]. |
| 133 | * {{Sadist}}: His usual response to causing people emotional and physical pain is to grin and remark that their reactions are "interesting", such as when his codex-removal machine causes the people subjected to it agonizing pain. |
| 134 | * ScarsAreForever: Despite his incredible regenerative abilities, the facial burn from Johnny still sticks around. |
| 135 | * SealedEvilInACan: At the end of ''Ultimate Invasion'', he and The City are locked away. |
| 136 | * SelfMadeOrphan: The first people he killed when he went evil were his ''entire'' family. Not just his abusive father, but his genuinely loving and supportive mother and all his siblings, too. |
| 137 | * SmartPeopleWearGlasses: Even after gaining his powers. He can stretch his eyes to correct his vision, but not indefinitely. Notably his helmet still has a glass visor. |
| 138 | * SmugSnake: He's extremely dangerous, he's more than once successfully pulled a case of TheBadGuyWins, and even the Thanos from universe 616 treats him with grudging respect. However, his arrogance frequently gets the better of him - he misjudges the very nature of the 616 universe on several occasions, and even after he gets around that, he completely messes up in ''[[ComicBook/TheUltimates2015 Ultimates Squared]]'' - he thinks he's solved the omniversal crisis, but has just made it that much worse. And in every case, he's very proud of his intelligence and won't let anyone forget it. |
| 139 | * TheSociopath: He [[LackOfEmpathy has an extreme lack of regard for the lives of others]], [[{{Narcissist}} views himself as superior to everyone else]], and is willing to kill, steal, and cause untold devastation in pursuit of his goals. |
| 140 | * TookALevelInJerkass: Reed goes from hero to pure evil monster due to a growing, sociopathic God complex. |
| 141 | * TranshumanTreachery: He betrayed his friends and country first ForScience, but after that he crosses the line to trying to replace humanity itself with his "superior" genetically engineered race (he is transhuman himself, of course, but not the same way as his Children of Tomorrow). |
| 142 | * TraumaCongaLine: The events of ''Ultimate Power'' through ''Ultimatum''. In the former, his idea of exploring other universes is rejected by Nick Fury, and when Reed does it anyway, Fury collaborates with Doctor Doom and the Supreme Power-verse's Emil Burbank to turn one of Reed's probes into a weapon of mass destruction, with Reed getting the blame. Then, ''Ultimatum'' happens because of Doom's schemes, causing the deaths of millions, and nearly killing Sue, all of which Reed blames himself for. Then Sue breaks up with him, and he's forced to go back to living with his abusive father, at which point Reed goes mad. |
| 143 | * {{Troll}}: Inbetween rewriting Earth-6160's history, he takes the time to lock that world's Reed up and play psychological mind games with him for no reason other than to be a jerk. |
| 144 | * TurnedAgainstTheirMasters: [[spoiler:Eventually, the computer of the City comes to the conclusion, that Richards's megalomaniac and warmongering attitude is obsolete, and only hinders the further development of the City. Or not, as it remains allied with him in secret.]] |
| 145 | * TheUnFavorite: A bespectacled young genius, he was never the ideal son his father wanted. It's shown in the ''first issue'' that his father showed more affection to Ben Grimm, the tough football star of the school, than to his own son. Fortunately, the situation isn't visited often in later issues; what with Reed finding a new father figure in Sue and Johnny's scientist father and being faced with matters more important than getting paternal approval, such as cosmic mutations and alien invasions every other week. Except for when things finally get to such a boil for Reed Richards that he fakes his death by ''blowing up his family home, vaporizing his entire family in the process''. |
| 146 | * UnwittingPawn: After his encounter with Thanos, he started work on building a Cosmic Cube... which, as it turns out, was something Thanos put in his head, giving the mad titan a shiny new cube to take over the universe with. Whoops. |
| 147 | ** In ''Ultimates Squared'', his attempts to save the multiverse just play right into the First Firmament's hands. When he's told he's screwed up, Reed is shocked and tries to deny it. |
| 148 | * VillainWithGoodPublicity: On Earth-6160, he is revered as the leader of the free world trying to fix the problems that plague it. The people are oblivious to the fact he is the one ''creating'' those problems to perpetuate his own power and erased anyone who could stop him. |
| 149 | * WouldHurtAChild: His first victims included his own little siblings. In ''Venom'' #17 he tells Dylan Brock and Normie Osborn that he would loathe having the death of a child on his (non-existent) conscience; but when Sadie -- a girl possibly even younger than Dylan and Normie -- is separated from the Lasher symbiote, he happily tries to kill her while quipping that he couldn't care less about her age. |
| 150 | * YoungerAndHipper: He's much younger than his mainstream counterpart, being in his early twenties / late teens when he gets his powers. |
| 151 | [[/folder]] |
| 152 | |
| 153 | [[folder:The Invisible Woman]] |
| 154 | !!Susan "Sue" Storm[=/=]The ComicBook/InvisibleWoman |
| 155 | [[quoteright:236:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/4ca5e4ddac0dcd234276309fa30cfcac.jpg]] |
| 156 | ---- |
| 157 | * ActionGirl: Right off the bat, she is much more assertive, is a biologist at the Baxter Building and almost immediately realizes her full potential as the most powerful member of the team. |
| 158 | * AdaptationalIntelligence: In the original comics, Sue was first introduced as little more than Reed's girlfriend, and was only present at the accident that created the Fantastic Four because she refused to be left behind. By contrast, the Ultimate version of Sue is a gifted former ChildProdigy who attended the same government think tank as Reed and was involved in the accident because she was actually one of the scientists working on the Negative Zone experiment in the first place. |
| 159 | * AllWomenAreLustful: Warren Ellis depicted Susan as being more sexually aggressive than her mainstream counterpart. |
| 160 | * BelligerentSexualTension: Her relationship with Reed Richards is way less calm than their mainstream counterparts'. |
| 161 | * BodyHorror: In the beginning, Sue had trouble staying completely visible or invisible, so while her skin disappeared her nervous system, her skeleton or her muscles were still visible. |
| 162 | * BrokenBird: Despite trying to stay emotionally stable, it's clear her experiences in her family and with Reed weigh heavily on her mind. |
| 163 | * DeadpanSnarker: Frequently, especially when dealing with Johnny. |
| 164 | * DudeMagnet: She got attention from [[ComicBook/UltimateIronMan Tony Stark]], Namor, Mole Man, Strange Josie, and ended up with [[spoiler:Ben Grimm.]] |
| 165 | * EnlightenmentSuperpowers: This is theorized in universe by the Mole Man to be the source of her invisibility powers, on the premise that the accident somehow enlightened her mind to replicate meditation techniques to avoid detection. |
| 166 | * FutureMeScaresMe: She doesn't take it well when [[spoiler:she learns that Kang was a future version of her.]] |
| 167 | * GoodSmellsGood: She's the BigGood of the ScienceHero superhero community and it has been noted by Namor that she smells of cherry blossoms, possibly as a side effect of her powers. |
| 168 | * HystericalWoman / WomenAreWiser: According to Reed, Sue may be slightly smarter than himself and has been shown to be more level-headed than Reed when it comes to social situations and emotional connection. However, she also tends to hold powerful obstinate grudges even in situations where they would be counterproductive and has a bad tendency to lash out with her powers when insulted. |
| 169 | * PromotionToParent: Even before Ultimatum, she was more Johnny's mother than sister, but after that, she more or less becomes his guardian, consulting with Aunt May about her little brother, and arguing with him when he decides that he wants to move out. She does approve of Peter as Johnny's new friend and handler, noting that he's someone who could have a good influence on Johnny. |
| 170 | * ProperlyParanoid: Treats Reed with contempt even after his HeelFaceTurn. Perfectly justified contempt since it turns out he was faking the entire time. |
| 171 | * RequiredSecondaryPowers: She {{lampshade|Hanging}}d the impossibility of her powers, pointing out that there's no conceivable reason why she should be able to see things while invisible. Luckily, she's a bio-geneticist and thinks the mystery is fascinating. |
| 172 | * SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan: She genuinely loves Reed, but his moodiness and sour temper turns her off from him. [[spoiler:And then he genuinely turned evil, which destroyed any chance of a relationship between them, allowing her to start a relationship with the much nicer Ben.]] |
| 173 | * TeamMom: Ends up in this role as the most mature of the team. |
| 174 | * YoungerAndHipper: Like Richards, she is younger than her mainstream counterpart; eighteen, to be specific. |
| 175 | [[/folder]] |
| 176 | |
| 177 | [[folder:The Human Torch]] |
| 178 | !!Johnathan "Johnny" Storm[=/=]The ComicBook/HumanTorch |
| 179 | ->'''Voiced by:''' Creator/DavidKaufman (''VideoGame/UltimateSpiderMan2005'') |
| 180 | [[quoteright:152:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/c39a6b2fa985f0ee4d91e79060809409.jpg]] |
| 181 | ---- |
| 182 | * BattleCry: He had to say "Flame on!" whenever he wanted to use his powers, before he became more competent with his powers. Conversely, he also originally had to say "Flame off!" when he wanted to return to normal. |
| 183 | * BigBrotherMentor: Despite being older than Peter, Susan confirms that Johnny Storm sees Peter as this, noting that the latter looks up to Peter, and enjoys hanging out with him. |
| 184 | * BodyHorror: He has to hibernate occasionally so that the layers of his skin that have been over-exposed to flames can flake off. |
| 185 | * BrainlessBeauty: Johnny's good-looking, but he never even managed to graduate from high school. It shows, repeatedly. He even seemed convinced he could get pregnant, somehow. |
| 186 | * DependingOnTheArtist: An unusual male variant - he's explicitly Peter Parker's age, but the artists for ComicBook/UltimateFantasticFour couldn't seem to pin down just how old Johnny actually ''is''. This lead to him being drawn (rightly) as an teenager, though a bit older-looking than Peter, to being drawn as even older than his big sister Sue! Greg Land was notorious for this, drawing Johnny somewhere in his mid-20's.[[note]]Land is also infamous in Comic Book circles for accusations of tracing. He has admitted to using magazines and film stills as "inspiration" for his work, though he denies outright art theft. His Johnny and Susan Storm were ''inspired'' by Music/JustinTimberlake and Creator/JessicaAlba respectively, with Underwear Models(!?!) filling in for action shots. As both celebrities were in their mid-20's at the time, this is likely the reason for their artistic ages in the books.[[/note]] |
| 187 | * ElementalBaggage: He’s become a walking fusion reactor; his entire body has reconfigured itself to be as perfect an energy store as possible (which results in some bad effects on his health, as you might expect for someone who turns his stores of body fat into ''plasma''). Creator/WarrenEllis tried ''very'' hard to justify Johnny. He also has a protective layer of microscopic scales to protect him from this flame. |
| 188 | * FlyingFirepower: The Human Torch's plasma has a high hydrogen content, and is surrounded by an exuded cloud of mono-atmoic hydrogen atoms. The hot cloud provides sufficient positive buoyancy for him to float. With mental stimulation of his flame, he can provide enough lift to carry around 180 pounds. By forming a jet from his feet, directed behind him, he can achieve a normal flight speed of 140 miles per hour. |
| 189 | * HotBlooded: Like his powers, he's a very fiery person and it doesn't take much for him to go berserk on things with his powers. |
| 190 | * MagicGenetics: Attempted to be {{justified|Trope}}. Johnny's powers come from his nuclear fusion, using his body as an energy source. His origin is {{justified|Trope}} as well now too, as his powers are not from cosmic radiation anymore, but rather from swapping bodies with a double from another universe. |
| 191 | * PlayingWithFire: He's the Human Torch. Bursting into flames and throwing fire around is part of the package. |
| 192 | * ReplacementGoldfish: Peter and his circle of friends becomes this for him after his break-up with the Fantastic Four. |
| 193 | * SmallNameBigEgo: Throughout his appearances in Ultimate Spider-Man, he claims the Fantastic Four were "The Beatles of Superheroics". This only gets confused stares from everyone else since while that was true in the 616, in the Ultimate Universe, the X-Men and especially the Ultimates are more prominent, what with having come onto the scene before them. |
| 194 | * TrueCompanions: Becomes this with Peter, Iceman, Kitty Pryde during the Amazing Friends arc. After Ultimatum and the break-up of the Four, they become his only family and he chooses to stay with them. |
| 195 | * WreathedInFlames: When he uses his powers, as per the main universe. |
| 196 | [[/folder]] |
| 197 | |
| 198 | [[folder:The Thing]] |
| 199 | !!Benjamin "Ben" Grimm[=/=]ComicBook/TheThing |
| 200 | [[quoteright:330:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/93cb1187521790f038ffddf27355f11b.jpg]] |
| 201 | ---- |
| 202 | * AdaptationalAngstUpgrade: Which given how miserable Ben regularly is with his mutation, is saying something. On more than one occasion, Ben has wondered about finding ways to kill himself. |
| 203 | * AdaptationalSuperpowerChange: He eventually gains the ability to change between forms, unlike his [[Franchise/MarvelUniverse 616]] counterpart, who is stuck in the Rock form. |
| 204 | * TheBigGuy: The strongest and largest member of the team. He's also pretty big even when he's human. |
| 205 | * BlessedWithSuck: Sure, he's super-strong and durable, but he weighs a ton, [[RequiredSecondaryPowers meaning any furniture he sits on has to be reinforced]]. Not to mention he looks like he's made of rock, which makes going outside difficult. |
| 206 | * BodyHorror: He has stone skin, and it's apparently ''a miracle that he can even breathe''. |
| 207 | * BungledSuicide: This pops up as part of deconstructing the Thing's BlessedWithSuck powers. He's a huge, freakish rock monster, stands out anywhere, has to be careful about crushing anything he touches and has almost no sense of touch. In the 616 Franchise/MarvelUniverse, this is played for drama now and then but here, he tried to kill himself several times but has not found anything that can break his skin. |
| 208 | %% * DependingOnTheWriter: Whether Ben uses the same style of speaking as his mainstream counterpart. |
| 209 | * DumbIsGood: [[spoiler:This trope comes into play when Reed becomes the Maker, a hyperintellect genocidal murderer, while Ben stays his simplistic but good-hearted self that eventually wins Susan Storm's heart.]] |
| 210 | * EarnYourHappyEnding: Gets his human body back, marries the love of his life, has a daughter. Yep, things turn out pretty good for ol' Ben. |
| 211 | * EyesAreMental: Johnny Storm cheers up Ben Grimm by commenting that his eyes never changed. The dialogue went something like this: |
| 212 | -->'''Johnny''': Your eyes never changed, you know.\ |
| 213 | '''Ben''': Huh?\ |
| 214 | '''Johnny''': Your eyes never changed. I mean, yeah, the rest of you is a freak, but your eyes are still the same. \ |
| 215 | '''Ben''': You noticed my eyes?\ |
| 216 | '''Johnny''': I notice stuff. I'm not smart like Reed or Sue, but I notice stuff. |
| 217 | * GentleGiant: Except for when it's clobberin' time. |
| 218 | * GoodIsNotSoft: Ben's probably the nicest guy on the team despite all his issues, [[spoiler:but he was the one who decided to travel to Latveria and murder Doctor Doom (later revealed to be Sue and Johnny's mother) with his bare hands for his role in causing the Ultimatum Event.]] |
| 219 | * TheJuggernaut: Ben is much, ''much'' more imposing in the Ultimate Universe than his 616-incarnation. So much so that when Reed designed outfits for the team tailored to their powers he invented a new kind of shock absorber to layer in Ben's suit to act as a PowerLimiter - otherwise the mere act of ''walking around'' would shake the Baxter Building apart. It's rather telling that he managed to survive a possession attempt by Thanos - anyone else Thanos managed to possess burned out their bodies after a short time, while Ben managed to ''fight'' the Mad Titan and drive him out, leaving him just a bit winded. |
| 220 | ** After Creator/WarrenEllis left the title, Ben's strength was considerably toned down [[DependingOnTheWriter by the following creative teams.]] Officially, only [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] and [[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor]] are stronger than Ben. [[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk The Hulk]], normally stronger than him, is weaker in the Ultimate Universe, so Ben is able to fight him and win during ''Ultimate Power''. |
| 221 | ** Ben is not only capable of surviving on the ocean floor, but he's strong enough to move around normally (so long as he has an air supply). It's also implied that he can survive nearly any atmosphere as his lungs can convert unsuitable "air" into something he can breathe, which Nihil discovered [[OhCrap to his great shock]]. |
| 222 | --->'''Ben''': ''*after Nihil breached the visor on his helmet*'' Reed, this air tastes like crap.\ |
| 223 | '''Reed''': The atmosphere in here is highly corrosive... you're basically breathing acid.\ |
| 224 | '''Ben''': Huh. [[MajorInjuryUnderreaction Good to know.]] |
| 225 | * IJustWantToBeNormal: Ben, par for the course, hates his super-powered self and wants nothing more than to be normal again. It's driven him to attempt suicide at least once.. |
| 226 | * ImmuneToBullets: Ben finds out in a trial by fire. Literally; he tried to ''blow his own brains out'' off-screen, and it didn't work. |
| 227 | * NighInvulnerability: Pretty much nothing is capable of seriously hurting him. [[spoiler:Even more so after he evolves.]] |
| 228 | * RePower: In ''Ultimate Mystery'' his rocky form was revealed to be a cocoon, and he eventually "hatched" into a new form, with his normal human appearance, Thing-level strength and durability, and a nifty purple glow. |
| 229 | * PetTheDog: In his appearance in ''Ultimate Spider-Man'' after the Clone Saga, when MJ was voicing discomfort about her PTSD-induced flashback nightmares, the Thing comforts her by telling her that he has them too, and she should not in any way feel ashamed of having it. |
| 230 | * SadClown: Ben loves to make jokes during combat, but beneath the humor he's shown to be deeply depressed and suicidal over his rocky transformation, having already tried and failed to commit suicide and spending many of his personal moments weeping. |
| 231 | * StatusQuoIsGod: Averted. Ben does in fact manage to shake his rock-like form, and gain all-new powers which include the ability to switch between his regular human form and his rock form. |
| 232 | * SuperpowerLottery: Ben might be a giant rock-man, but his strength literally cannot be measured (Reed devised a reinforced Hydraulic Press to try and gauge how strong Ben is... which Ben promptly trashed without trying) and his outfit acts as a PowerLimiter so his steps (which measure on ''the Richter Scale'') don't shake apart the Baxter Building or surrounding skyline... effectively limitless SuperStrength, but with the [[RequiredSecondaryPowers required mass]] to properly utilize it. His body also allows him to breathe underwater or in corrosive atmospheres by extracting oxygen and nitrogen from unsuitable materials, and he survives various explosions and possessions that kill other, lesser beings. |
| 233 | * UltimateLifeForm: Implied pre-''Ultimate Mystery''. Ben got a raw deal with his initial transformation, being stuck within a grotesque, stone-like shell. However, the trade-off is that Ben is nigh-invulnerable (with only PhysicalGod Thor and the [[{{Transhuman}} genetically augmented]] Namor able to make a dent in him or even making him feel pain), stronger than nearly any other hero or villain alive, and ''can survive in any environment''. Reed spends his spare time trying to revert the changes but ultimately decides to swing in the other direction and [[EvolutionPowerup complete his transformation instead]], resulting in Ben becoming an EnergyBeing that retains all the benefits of his "Thing" body, but returns him to his human form and grants him [[SuperpowerLottery energy manipulation powers]] on top of that. |
| 234 | * WeUsedToBeFriends: With Reed following Reed's FaceHeelTurn. At first, Ben thought he could be redeemed and offered to help him but [[MoralEventHorizon a few acts of extreme evil later]] and Ben no longer wants anything to do with him. |
| 235 | --> '''Ben''': I thought I was the only one who understood you. But it turns out, all those kids who called you a jerk and a freak, they were right! |
| 236 | * WhatHaveIBecome: He actually attempted suicide after his transformation, but his rock hard skin made it impossible. |
| 237 | * YoungerAndHipper: He's much younger than his mainstream counterpart, being in his early twenties / late teens when he gets his powers. |
| 238 | [[/folder]] |
| 239 | |
| 240 | !The Baxter Building |
| 241 | [[folder:General Ross]] |
| 242 | !!General Thaddeus Ross |
| 243 | ---- |
| 244 | * AdaptationalHeroism: Much less of a GeneralRipper than his mainstream counterpart. |
| 245 | * GeneralRipper: Implied, since he sponsors the Baxter Building Program for its military applications more than anything. Lampshaded in passing in one issue: |
| 246 | -->'''Sue''': Ross is so crazy he got shot or blown up or something and then ''came back to life''. On the slab. And do you remember what he said to the mortuary attendant?\ |
| 247 | '''Reed''': [[Film/DrStrangelove "Hands off my precious bodily fluids, soldier."]] |
| 248 | * ReasonableAuthorityFigure: As the head of S.H.I.E.L.D., he was just too much of one for [[ColonelKilgore Wraith]], who tried to murder him. |
| 249 | * RetiredBadass: He's the former head of S.H.I.E.L.D., who was nearly killed by Weapon X in ''ComicBook/UltimateXMen''. After coming back from the dead, he was put in charge of the Baxter Building project instead. |
| 250 | * UnexplainedRecovery: As mentioned up above, he was blown up during the "Weapon X" arc of ''Ultimate X-Men'', and he just got better on the slab. Why? Who knows? |
| 251 | [[/folder]] |
| 252 | |
| 253 | [[folder:Willie Lumpkin]] |
| 254 | !!Willie Lumpkin |
| 255 | ---- |
| 256 | * AdaptationalBadass: Went from senior citizen mailman in the main Franchise/MarvelUniverse to a ColonelBadass here. |
| 257 | %% * MauveShirt: |
| 258 | [[/folder]] |
| 259 | |
| 260 | [[folder:Doctor Storm]] |
| 261 | !!Doctor Franklin Storm |
| 262 | ---- |
| 263 | * BigGood: He's the main individual who attempts to convince the Fantastic Four to productively use their powers for altruistic goals and never portrays any intentional malice. He's also the one individual that tries to persuade Johnny to make something helpful out of his powers and his choices in life. |
| 264 | * KilledOffForReal: In ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}'', he's killed in the first issue when the wave hits New York. |
| 265 | %% * ReasonableAuthorityFigure |
| 266 | [[/folder]] |
| 267 | |
| 268 | [[folder:Strange Josie]] |
| 269 | !!Josie Hart[=/=]Strange Josie: |
| 270 | ---- |
| 271 | * ChekhovsGunman: She was mentioned as one of many Baxter Building students with weird hobbies before appearing as an actual character. |
| 272 | * IncompatibleOrientation: She's very openly gay, and attracted to Sue, who is straight. |
| 273 | [[/folder]] |
| 274 | |
| 275 | [[folder:Phineas Mason]] |
| 276 | !!Phineas Mason |
| 277 | ---- |
| 278 | * DecompositeCharacter: He is based on Phineas Mason[=/=]The Tinkerer of the classic Franchise/MarvelUniverse and appeared in ''Ultimate Fantastic Four Annual #2''. However another character, Elijah Stern, had already taken the Tinkerer identity in ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan''. |
| 279 | [[/folder]] |
| 280 | |
| 281 | !Villains |
| 282 | [[folder:Agatha Harkness]] |
| 283 | !!Agatha Harkness |
| 284 | ---- |
| 285 | * AdaptationalSuperpowerChange: Mainstream Agatha Harkness is a witch. Her Ultimate incarnation is vastly different, [[spoiler:being a creature capable of splitting itself into seven distinct lifeforms and back.]] |
| 286 | * AdaptationalVillainy: She's [[spoiler:an ancient hydra monster]] who plans on destroying the world, rather than any kind of friendly mentor figure like in the main universe. |
| 287 | * AncientEvil: [[spoiler:Is thousands of years old and her species can be traced to the destruction of ancient civilizations like Atlantis and Lemuria.]] |
| 288 | * CompositeCharacter: This Agatha has the ability to [[spoiler:split into the Salem Seven, which in the 616 continuity are her children.]] |
| 289 | * ExplosiveBreeder: Literally; [[spoiler: her species uses heat and fire to explosively catalyze reproduction into thousands of newborns]]. |
| 290 | * YoungerAndHipper: Subverted. She appears to be a voluptuous woman in her mid-thirties at most, compared to the regular continuity's much, much older grandmother type, [[spoiler:but she's still thousands of years old.]] |
| 291 | [[/folder]] |
| 292 | |
| 293 | [[folder:Diablo]] |
| 294 | !!Mendendez Flores[=/=]Diablo |
| 295 | ---- |
| 296 | * AdaptationNameChange: The original Diablo was named [[StevenUlyssesPerhero Esteban Corazón de Ablo]]. Here, it's Mendendez Flores. |
| 297 | * AffablyEvil: Unfailingly polite to his enemies and captives. He was even nice to Enid while he was trying to sacrifice her to create the elixir for eternal life. |
| 298 | * AlchemyIsMagic: Being an alchemist allows him to use physical elements and magic in a way that makes him seem more like a sorcerer. |
| 299 | * GratuitousItalian: He peppers his speech with it. |
| 300 | * ImmortalitySeeker |
| 301 | * NotSoDifferentRemark: He makes this about himself and Reed after observing how far they both went to discover the secrets of the universe and amoral drive for science. [[spoiler:Considering Reed's eventual lapse into villainy, this point becomes even more poignant.]] |
| 302 | [[/folder]] |
| 303 | |
| 304 | [[folder:Doctor Doom]] |
| 305 | !!Victor Van Damme[=/=]ComicBook/DoctorDoom |
| 306 | [[quoteright:239:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/11709e2a70624f69d788c820be59cd85.jpg]] |
| 307 | ---- |
| 308 | * AbusiveDad: His father would question him on the family history and beat him whenever he would get the answers wrong. |
| 309 | * ActuallyADoombot: Doesn't make ''nearly'' as much use of the trope as his original version, for a variety of reasons (being gone for several years, for example), but in ''Ultimate Power'', it makes a debut when Doom attacks the Ultimates and the ''Supreme Power'' heroes, only to turn out to be a robot. Additionally, ''ComicBook/UltimateFF'' revealed that the "Doom" responsible for the events of the aforementioned ''Ultimate Power'', ''ComicBook/TheUltimates3'', and ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}'' [[spoiler:and by extension of that last one, the one killed by Ben for causing Magneto to snap even further than he already was]] was really Sue and Johnny's mother Mary, not Victor himself. |
| 310 | * AdaptationNameChange: His last name was changed from "Von Doom" to "Van Damme". |
| 311 | * AdaptationalAngstUpgrade: Not that Victor Von Doom had a great childhood by any means, with his mother being stolen away by Mephisto and his father freezing to death trying to protect Victor, but the man did love and care for Victor. Victor Van Damme, meanwhile, was forced to learn about his family history and beaten when he didn't get the answers correct. |
| 312 | * AdaptationalSuperpowerChange: Victor Von Doom gains ghastly scars on his face in [[Franchise/MarvelUniverse the original continuity]] from an experiment backfiring on him, to hide these scars he wears a heavy armor. Here, Victor Van Damme's skin turns to metal and he gains cloved feet like a demon, corrosive acid breathe and the ability to fire off metallic skin-shards in the same accident that gave the Four their powers. This was retconned later in the series. When Doom shows up in the "Frightful" story, he's basically a transplant of 616-Doom, ruling Latveria, wearing the classic armor, and answering to "Doctor Doom" rather than "Victor Van Damme". |
| 313 | * AdaptationalBadass: At first. While still in possession of magical abilities, this Doom is depicted with actual super powers rather than using PoweredArmor. However, as the story goes on, his powers are increasingly ignored while he never manages to reach the magical or scientific heights of his 616 counterpart, making this a subversion. |
| 314 | * AdaptationalWimp: While this version of the character ''does'' have "natural" super-powers, he lacks the magic skills of his mainstream counterpart, and is seriously less important to his Universe. He also isn't quite as talented in schemes. |
| 315 | * AristocratsAreEvil: Acts like an aristocrat, certainly, and has ancestry going back to Vlad the Impaler, which he can recite from memory, which makes him technically one by breeding. He's also an incredibly self-centered bastard who is determined to conquer the world out of his own egotism. |
| 316 | * BarbieDollAnatomy: ''ComicBook/UltimateFF'' has shown him into his cloak--and lacking nipples, a belly button, and a penis. |
| 317 | * BodyHorror: He’s become a being of [[ChromeChampion living metal]] with a frankly demon-like appearance (including goat legs and a reptilian tail). Also, his organs are ''rotting into a noxious slime inside his body'' because he doesn't need them anymore; he can [[BreathWeapon blast opponents with this slime or the fumes from it]] if he pleases. |
| 318 | * BreathWeapon: He has the ability to exhale toxic/corrosive fumes as part of his transformation. Apparently, its based on the fact his now-useless organs were ''rotting into mush inside his body''. |
| 319 | * ChromeChampion: He is transformed into a being of living metal by the teleportation experiment that he sabotaged. |
| 320 | * DeathIsCheap: ''Ultimatum'' has him apparently killed by Ben crushing his head. In ''Ultimate FF'', he returns, claiming that Ben had just killed a body double. |
| 321 | * ElementalPowers: He has been likened to the elemental of [[ExtraOreDinary Metal]]. |
| 322 | * EvilIsPetty: This is standard for Doom in all universes, and Van Damme is no exception. |
| 323 | * EvilMakesYouUgly: Happened to him early on, transforming from surly pretty boy into a metallic Satyr. |
| 324 | * FamousAncestor: He can trace his lineage directly back to [[UsefulNotes/VladTheImpaler Vlad Tepes Dracula]]. |
| 325 | * FlechetteStorm: He has the ability to shoot razor sharp spines of his own living metal body at people. |
| 326 | * FreudianExcuse: In ''Ultimate Fantastic Four #7'', it is explained that on his tenth birthday he was presented with his family history dating back to Vlad Tepes Dracula and the blueprint for his villainous mindset, and from that day on at dinner he was required to recite said family history from memory, receiving beatings when he got it wrong and being forced to start over until he got it right. The last page of the flashback shows 10-year-old Victor sitting in the chair where he received the original lecture and instruction in five panels depicting it slowly getting darker. In the last one, he says "It's my birthday." |
| 327 | * FurAndLoathing: Once he takes up the mantle of Doctor Doom upgrades from a raggedy cloak, to a majestic fur collared BadassCape. |
| 328 | * {{Jerkass}}: He's basically Doctor Doom without any of the latter's strangely charismatic bearing and ability to try and be charming despite his arrogance, leaving the self-centered egotist that is Doom's core personality exposed for all the world to see. |
| 329 | * KnightTemplar: He is always working on creating his "utopia", even if it means destroying the world as we know it. |
| 330 | * LeanAndMean: Compared to his mainstream counterpart, he's quite skinny. The fact he's a man of living metal rather than stomping around in a huge armored suit justifies it. |
| 331 | * MadeOfIron: Ignoring the {{pun}}, SuperToughness was clearly part of the package when he transformed. |
| 332 | * TheManBehindTheMan: At the end of ''Ultimates 3'', Doom turns out to be responsible for Ultron... somehow. ''Ultimatum'' has him claim it was all part of his plan to cause Magneto to try and wipe out humanity. |
| 333 | * NeverMyFault: He interfered with Reed Richards' prototype teleporter. The resultant energies resulted in the creation of the Fantastic Four, and his own transformation into [[ChromeChampion a demonic-looking being of living metal]]. Doctor Doom insists that the transformation is not his fault, but rather that Reed's calculations were "so bad even [he] couldn't fix them". |
| 334 | * OnceDoneNeverForgotten: He considers the experiment this, especially being blamed for it. |
| 335 | * PutOnABus: He is stranded in the ComicBook/MarvelZombies universe at the end of the "Frightful" arc. He eventually returned in ''Ultimates 3'', after a fake-out in ''Ultimate Power''. |
| 336 | * RedRightHand: He was transformed in the same experiment as the Fantastic Four, and ended up with a body made entirely of metal looking just like his classic look, with the exception of goat legs. Because, [[WordOfGod according to]] Creator/WarrenEllis, he's the devil. |
| 337 | * RelatedInTheAdaptation: Here, Van Damme is a descendant of UsefulNotes/VladTheImpaler. ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' later added to this by making ComicBook/{{Morbius}} Vlad's brother, meaning in this universe, Morbius is a distant relative of Doom's. |
| 338 | * StevenUlyssesPerhero: His name is more subtle about this: it's Victor ''Van Damme'' rather than ''Von Doom''. |
| 339 | * TooCleverByHalf: He arranged for the death of the Scarlet Witch, knowing Magneto would go PapaWolf and declare war on mankind, leaving it up to him to "pick up the pieces" in the aftermath. Sadly, he failed to anticipate that Magneto would be both willing and able to wipe out humanity completely and bring about TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. |
| 340 | -->'''Doom''': I had Magneto's daughter - the Scarlet Witch - murdered. I knew Magneto would then declare war on mankind and when it was over... I would be there to pick up the pieces. I... never imagined that Magneto either had the power or the will -- to destroy the human race... What good is a king if there is no kingdom...? |
| 341 | * UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom: By killing the Scarlet Witch and setting off Magneto, he's entirely responsible for all of the devastation and mass deaths in ''Ultimatum''. The "unwitting" part comes from the fact that Doom only expected Magneto to overthrow humanity, not [[FinalSolution wipe it out entirely]]. |
| 342 | * WellDoneSonGuy: His driving obsession has always been to win the respect and love of his coolly aloof father. |
| 343 | [[/folder]] |
| 344 | [[folder:The Frightful Four]] |
| 345 | !!The Frightful Four |
| 346 | ---- |
| 347 | * BaitAndSwitch: At first, it seemed like Reed had contacted his 616 counterpart... right up until Reed steps through the interdimensional transporter and finds himself face-to-face with zombies. |
| 348 | -->'''Zombie Reed:''' Ever get the feeling you've been had? |
| 349 | * FauxAffablyEvil: The zombie Reed Richards may be a flesh-eating monster, but he can be surprisingly charming and erudite while he plots to make you into a snack. |
| 350 | * InNameOnly: They have nothing to do with the 616 Frightful Four beyond being an EvilCounterpart of the Fantastic Four, and they don't actually call themselves this in-universe. The 616 Frightful Four are a team of c-list supervillains with a rotating membership, while these are just an evil, undead, alternate universe version of the regular Fantastic Four. |
| 351 | * ThePsychoRangers: They are the counterparts of [[ComicBook/FantasticFour the regular Fantastic Four]] from another universe, meaning they are like the Ultimate FF but with about 15 years more experience. Oh yeah, and they're ''[[ComicBook/MarvelZombies flesh-eating zombies]]''. |
| 352 | * SanitySlippage: Reed went mad with grief when an infected She-Hulk killed Franklin and Valeria, and decided zombies were the ultimate lifeform, proceeding to infect his teammates. |
| 353 | [[/folder]] |
| 354 | [[folder:Kang the Conqueror]] |
| 355 | !![[spoiler:Susan "Sue" Storm]][=/=]Kang the Conqueror |
| 356 | ---- |
| 357 | * CompositeCharacter: She is based on the classic Avengers villain of the same name, but is a FutureBadass version of [[spoiler:Sue Storm]] instead of Iron Lad of the ComicBook/YoungAvengers. |
| 358 | [[/folder]] |
| 359 | [[folder:The Mad Thinker]] |
| 360 | !!Rhona Burchill[=/=]The Mad Thinker |
| 361 | [[quoteright:200:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/rhona_burchill.jpg]] |
| 362 | ---- |
| 363 | * BodyHorror: She augmented her intelligence by ''literally placing some of her brother's brain matter in her own brain'', causing her head to become hideously disfigured in the process. |
| 364 | * BrainFood: She devised a way to increase her brain's "processing power" by grafting someone else's brain tissue onto her brain, so she killed her little brother because he "wasn't using it anyway" -- the implications are roughly equal that he was genuinely mentally deficient or that he simply had a lower IQ then his already-a-genius-but-psychotic sister. |
| 365 | * DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment: She talks [[MotorMouth lightning fast]] and repeats herself expressed in a different way, a bit like [[Franchise/{{Transformers}} Blurr]] would. |
| 366 | * EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette: Post-transformation, she's a creepy-acting, black-haired woman with a sick-looking pallor to her skin. |
| 367 | * FourEyesZeroSoul: Before her transformation at least, she wore glasses. As for the "zero soul" thing? She ''cut up her brother's brain for spare parts'' -- what more do you need? |
| 368 | * GenderFlip: The Mad Thinker was male in the main Franchise/MarvelUniverse, here she's female. |
| 369 | * GreenEyedMonster: Motivated by her jealousy toward Reed Richards, because he got into the Baxter Building Program for Gifted Children instead of her. |
| 370 | * MadScientist: She was rejected from the Program despite having the natural talents as a scientist, implicitly due to failing the psychiatric evaluation -- since she went on to cut her brother's brain out and graft it to her own, justifiably so. As for what makes her mad... did you just read the previous sentence? |
| 371 | * MotorMouth: When she talks, she spits a constant stream of dialogue, and her speech bubbles [[PaintingTheMedium replace spaces with hyphens]] to emphasize how quickly she talks. |
| 372 | * NightmareFace: Courtesy of self-inflicted brain surgery to boost her own intellect, which left her with a large bald spot that exposes a very ugly, ragged scar and unnaturally bulging skull. |
| 373 | * ProgressivelyPrettier: She was no longer disfigured and looked conventionally attractive when she reappeared in ''Ultimate X4.'' |
| 374 | * SuperIntelligence: Which she got in one of the gruesomest ways: cutting open her skull and suturing extra brain-matter to her own brain, to increase her brain mass. |
| 375 | [[/folder]] |
| 376 | [[folder:Mole Man]] |
| 377 | !!Arthur Molekovic[=/=]Mole Man |
| 378 | ---- |
| 379 | * AbhorrentAdmirer: Is deeply in love with Sue Storm, though he doesn't press the issue after his confession to her (and she takes it in stride, as she still needs his help to get a grasp on her emerging powers). Unlike other, more creepy examples of this situation, Molekovic ends up making a HeelFaceTurn due to his unrequited love. |
| 380 | * AdaptationNameChange: His name is changed from "Harvey Elder" to "Arthur Molekovic". |
| 381 | * DidNotThinkThisThrough: As General Ross notes, if you work for a government agency, and you encrypt your files so your superiors can't read it, that's the sort of activity that tends to draw attention very fast. Especially when those files relate to a project said superiors ''told you'' not to work on. |
| 382 | * FormerlyFit: Well, "fit" is a strong word -- his figure was more on [[GeekPhysiques the skinny side]] prior to getting fired from the Baxter Building. When he reemerges, he's nearly triple his original weight, likely due to having his mole creatures do everything for him. |
| 383 | * GeekPhysiques: An unusual example, as he goes from the skinny side of the spectrum to the obese side after a TimeSkip. |
| 384 | * MadScientist: He was kicked out of the Baxter Building for experimenting on fungus creatures, which was noted to not only be disgusting and immoral (even for the cynical Ultimate Universe), but had no real scientific merit. |
| 385 | * MeaningfulRename: He was given the name "Mole Man" by his students because of his short stature, his second name and the fact that he is ''covered'' in moles. |
| 386 | * WholesomeCrossdresser: Becomes this when he makes his HeelFaceTurn to save Sue's life, as he still occasionally wears his old "washerwoman" disguise (he's since added sequins to the outfit). |
| 387 | [[/folder]] |
| 388 | [[folder:Namor]] |
| 389 | !!Namor |
| 390 | ---- |
| 391 | * AdaptationalVillainy: He was initially believed to be Atlantean royalty like the regular 616-Namor, but it transpired that he was actually an Atlantean criminal the heroes unwittingly set free. |
| 392 | * AgeLift: Regular Namor is one of Marvel's older heroes, having been a young man in the 1930s. Ultimate Namor is several centuries older. |
| 393 | * AntiVillain: Namor's rude, violent, brash and arrogant, but he does have some small streak of good in him, such as saving Sue from the Salem Seven, before assisting with fighting it. |
| 394 | * TheBadGuyWins: He wasn't really defeated in his arc. After a lengthy battle, he summons a massive tidal wave to drown New York and only left everybody alone after Sue begrudgingly agreed to make out with him. |
| 395 | * TheBusCameBack: Namor was last seen at the end of ''Ultimatum'' stuck in a tube in Doom's castle. He returned in "Ultimate FF". |
| 396 | * ElementalPowers: Seems to have a dash of MakingASplash powers alongside his FlyingBrick set. |
| 397 | * MakingASplash: He displayed water controlling abilities. |
| 398 | * NotMeThisTime: Despite having previously threatened to flood New York with a Poseidon-shaped tidal wave, Namor disclaims all responsibility for the Ultimatum Wave when Reed confronts him, claiming he'd never risk hurting Sue. |
| 399 | * TookALevelInKindness: Jeph Loeb wrote him more in line with 616-Namor, disregarding his lecherous attraction to Sue and replacing it with genuine affection. |
| 400 | * WouldHitAGirl: When Sue continued to reject his advances, Namor resorted to forcing himself onto her, resulting in a brawl in the middle of Times Square. |
| 401 | [[/folder]] |
| 402 | [[folder:Nihil]] |
| 403 | !!Nihil |
| 404 | ---- |
| 405 | * AmbiguousSituation: It is never made clear but it is somewhat implied that this is not the Ultimate version of classic ''Fantastic Four'' villain Annihilus but rather that the Ultimate Four has stumbled into the regular 616 Negative Zone and that Nihil is just another member of the same species, what with references to belong to a certain caste and already knowing who Reed Richards is despite never meeting them before. |
| 406 | * KilledOffForReal: During a fight with the Fantastic Four, he gets a gun stuck in his mouth and tries removing it... only to blow his own head off. Lacking the JokerImmunity of his regular universe counterpart, he never got better from it. |
| 407 | * NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast: The Thing lampshades this when the crew meets him for the first time. |
| 408 | -->'''Thing''': Dude, we meet our first alien, and his name is like "E-Vill" or something. |
| 409 | * ObviouslyEvil: At least in Ben's eyes. Reed was too busy marvelling at the entire situation. |
| 410 | [[/folder]] |
| 411 | [[folder:Psycho Man]] |
| 412 | !!Revka Temerlune Edifex Scyros III[=/=]Psycho Man |
| 413 | ---- |
| 414 | * GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul: Uses his powers to make people feel blissfully happy while worshiping him as their master. |
| 415 | * HoistByHisOwnPetard: Constantly put others under his blissful mind control, but could not feel the sense of bliss himself. Thanks to Reed causing a psychic backlash, Psycho-Man was placed in an eternal state of ignorant bliss while being unable to put anyone else in the same state ever again. |
| 416 | * KnightTemplar: [[spoiler:He mind controls a world to feel happy and content, while the Silver Searcher argues that they are merely happy slaves.]] |
| 417 | * MeaningfulName: His name literally means "The King with no Enemies" due in part to his ability to make anyone his happy slave. |
| 418 | [[/folder]] |
| 419 | !Others |
| 420 | [[folder:Gary Richards]] |
| 421 | !!Gary Richards |
| 422 | The father of Reed Richards. |
| 423 | ---- |
| 424 | * AbusiveDad: It's no wonder Reed turned out so mentally unstable with a dad [[SarcasmMode as loving and supportive as this guy]]. Gary is from the first issue shown to be verbally and emotionally (if not physically) abusive toward Reed, having no interest or tolerance for Reed's tinkering, yelling at him for turning the phone into a device, then throwing it at Reed's dinner. A later issue suggests Gary was physically abusive as well. Thanos manages to torture Reed by conjuring an image of Gary preparing to beat him. |
| 425 | * AdaptationNameChange: Went from Nathaniel in the main Franchise/MarvelUniverse to Gary here. |
| 426 | * AdaptationPersonalityChange: Gary Richards stands out as a completely different person compared to Nathaniel Richards, especially on a fundamental level and how they treated their son. If anything, he's closer to [[Franchise/TheIncredibleHulk Brian Banner]], except as an athletic idiot instead of a drunkard of a scientist. Most notable is that Ultimate Reed Richards is, so far, the only AlternateSelf of Mainstream Reed Richards to be a villain compared to the pragmatic, but well-intentional Council of Reeds. |
| 427 | * AdaptationalDumbass: Gary is a JerkJock and frowned upon intelligence, a far cry from Nathaniel being a scientist. |
| 428 | * AdaptationalJerkass: From the ParentsAsPeople Nathaniel Richards to AbusiveDad Gary Richards. He’s an absolute prick with none of the former’s complexities. |
| 429 | * AdaptationalVillainy: Nathaniel might not have been the absolute best father, but he was aware of and acknowledged his shortcomings, encouraged and supported his son's love of science, and his absence from Reed's life was due to circumstances entirely beyond his control. Gary abuses Reed and is just generally lacking in ''any'' positive traits. |
| 430 | * AlternateSelf: To Nathaniel Richards of Earth-616. |
| 431 | * BrutalHonesty: He has no problems with speaking his mind about how much he disdains his son's intellectual pursuits, especially if it causes annoyances around his home (such as Reed dismantling the blender for spare parts). |
| 432 | * CharacterDeath: He, his wife, and his children are killed off in the opening issue of ''Ultimate Enemy'', in an apparent attempt on Reed's life. [[spoiler:Except Reed is the one responsible for the attack in the first place.]] |
| 433 | * HateSink: He's an abusive father, that's literally all that is needed to know about him. |
| 434 | * IHaveNoSon: He pretty much spells this out to Reed in a form of a TheReasonYouSuck speech in ''Issue #42''. After the end of ''Ultimatum: Fantastic Four Requiem'', he asks "What are '''you''' doing here?" (in the context of meeting an unwanted stranger) to Reed when the latter is looking for a place to stay for a bit. |
| 435 | * {{Jerkass}}: Gary is nothing more than an abusive bully to his son. |
| 436 | * JerkJock: Gary Richards is what happens when your stereotypical "brains don't matter, nerds are for kicking around" mindset of a jock grows up to be an adult and keeps the attitude. And then has a son who's a nerd. |
| 437 | * JockDadNerdSon: He's a huge sports nut and obsessed with "manly" behavior, openly disdaining his son's intellectual pursuits. |
| 438 | * OnlyInItForTheMoney: When the Baxter Building sends a representative around to recruit Reed, Gary is utterly uninterested... until Lumpkin mentions they'd be willing to pay for him. Later on, when Reed came back home because he needed a place to stay at the end of ''Ultimatum: Fantastic Four Requiem'', he only relents if his son is paying him. |
| 439 | * UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom: [[spoiler:His abuse of his son was the first step in Reed's descent to villainy. Considering that villainy has gone on to plague the prime Marvel Universe even currently in more unique and devastating ways than it's millions of native supervillains, good fucking going, Gary.]] |
| 440 | * YouDontLookLikeYou: He has a radically different appearance in ''Ultimate Enemy''. |
| 441 | [[/folder]] |
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