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| 7 | See also Sandbox/AppearanceTropesCleanup, Sandbox/TLPCrashRescueTallies, Sandbox/ColorTropesCleanup, Sandbox/BadassCleanUp, and Sandbox/TRSQueue. |
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| 20 | [[folder:Misuse or ZCE issues]] |
| 21 | * AccidentalAesop: This audience reaction is about a good creator-unintended aesop that the audience interprets. However, like HardTruthAesop before its rename, it's frequently used for what is really DarthWiki/WarpThatAesop (when people draw absurd conclusions to a work's themes), AlternateAesopInterpretation (when the audience interprets another aesop from the one that's intended), or just "unintended Bad Aesop." Maybe do like CreatorsApathy (formerly They Just Didn't Care) and require WordOfGod to make it trivia? * |
| 22 | * AlternateUniverseReedRichardsIsAwesome: As the opposite of ReedRichardsIsUseless, this trope is supposed to be about characters who used their powers/skills to make the world a better place by solving real problems compared to their regular counterpart. However, it's frequently misconstrued as being about an AlternateSelf of a character who is simply stronger or better at things than their main universe counterpart, with no references as to how they could've used their powers to benefit society from a practical standpoint. * |
| 23 | * AlwaysABiggerFish: This is about when the characters are cornered by something threatening, only to be saved when it is taken out by a bigger threat, but many examples are of animals eating each other without saving anyone in the process. That trope (if the animals are portrayed as monstrous) is FoodChainOfEvil, and the misuse is probably not helped by the latter trope's misleading name (since monsters may just be portrayed as regular predators with no sense of morality). Some confusion may also stem from the trope namer of AlwaysABiggerFish, ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', being a case of FoodChainOfEvil as well (the characters are chased by a big fish and saved when it is eaten by a bigger fish). It is also misused for ''any'' situation in which a powerful character is rivaled by a more powerful one, even if nobody ends up being saved. * |
| 24 | * AmericansHateTingle: It's supposed to be about things that are popular or well-liked domestically attracting widespread hatedom in another country, but despite having the word "hate" right there in the name, it's widely misused for things simply not catching on other countries, even if it is actually more of a country- or region-specific CultClassic or AcclaimedFlop. * |
| 25 | * AndIMustScream: Supposed to refer to a never-ending, years-long if not eternal FateWorseThanDeath, but is used to cover any situation where someone is trapped or paralysed and unable to prevent their doom, which will arrive rather shortly (by this trope's standards) in many cases. * |
| 26 | * AutobotsRockOut: As a music trope, the page is ''rife'' with [=ZCEs=] that just say the song or band, but do nothing to explain how the song comes in or what the scene is even like. * |
| 27 | * TheBackwardsR is ostensibly about borrowing letters from Cyrillic or other alphabets to make text look more foreign. A small amount of misuse now better covered by RandomlyReversedLetters remains, but several other examples refer to in-universe confusion between Cyrillic letters and Latin letters that resemble them, which should also be another trope. * |
| 28 | * BigApplesauce: Supposed to be "Everything important in America, if not the whole world, happens in New York City" but instead is misused as "New York City exists". Wick check abandoned/up-for-grabs [[Sandbox/BigApplecheck here]].* |
| 29 | * BoomHeadshot: Description is quite clearly "headshots deal extra damage in this game", but examples are both that and "person dies of being shot in the head in any context", so there seems to be some Administrivia/MissingSupertrope Syndrome going on here. * |
| 30 | * BottleEpisode: The trope [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=109745&type=att was brought up in ATT]] as a mixture of misused as "any episode that takes place in a single room", rather than an episode where little plot happens, and also as a possible speculation magnet. Has a wick check [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16469443170A08251400&page=2#comment-26 here]]. |
| 31 | * BreakingTheFourthWall: This is supposed to be about when fictional characters address the audience, but many examples just refer to characters aware that they are in a work of fiction, without referencing the audience in any way. The source of confusion/misuse is likely from [=TVTropes=] using a narrower definition than the rest of the web. * |
| 32 | * CargoShip: Is supposed to be about fans who ''pretend'' that a character has romantic feelings for inanimate objects, but a lot of examples are about characters canonically developing feelings for an object InUniverse, which is a different concept (and may already be covered by CompanionCube). * |
| 33 | * CheeseStrategy: the trope uses a specific definition (i.e. that the strategy requires little skill to execute), but most fandoms have their own definition (which often boils down to "strategy people don't like"). The result is that the page has a lot of examples that are ''called'' cheese but don't meet the trope definition. Judging by the description, there might be too much overlap with EasyLevelTrick for this to be a distinct trope. * |
| 34 | * ChoreographyPorn: The description indicates this trope is about needing to "list every last step, every last turn, every last jump" in order to accurately describe a choreographed dance. However, no on-page examples make any mention of a list of choreographed dance moves. Instead, the trope is simply being used to describe impressive choreography, most likely because its name suggests that's what the trope is about. * |
| 35 | * CircumcisionAngst: Supposed to be angst over being ''un''circumsized, but attracts some examples of the opposite. * |
| 36 | * ClumsyCopyrightCensorship: Specifically for copyright censorship that's ''poorly done'', but is often used for any instance of something in a work being altered due to copyright issues. * |
| 37 | * CrapsaccharineWorld is supposed to be a subversion of a SugarBowl, wherein a world that seems to be one is revealed to be a CrapsackWorld underneath. It is instead frequently used for worlds with positive elements that are contrasted with serious problems and harsh reality, but is still portrayed in a positive light, not being outright rotten- for instance, a fantasy world that looks like cheery high fantasy, but also has war, death, and strife, yet not enough to make it a true Crapsack World. * |
| 38 | * CreatorBacklash: This trope is supposed to be about creators who hate a completed work of theirs in its entirety, but many examples include instances where a creator only dislikes specific aspects about the final product, even if they like the overall creation. It's also used for when creators denounce the way a studio releases a product to the public, which is not something covered by this trope. * |
| 39 | * CreatorKiller: Supposed to be for when a work is responsible for killing off a creator, but non-works are sometimes listed. An expansion might be needed--the misuse may still be tropeworthy. Check 50 wicks. * |
| 40 | * DamageSpongeBoss: Supposed to be about, as [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16419338830A53856900&page=19#comment-457 noted]] by Tropers/MyTimingIsOff, "a very basic boss fight that is little more than a war of attrition, with little strategy beyond "hit it until it dies"". It gets misused, however, for any boss with a lot of health. Check 50 wicks. * |
| 41 | * TheDanza: Supposed to be for when the character is ''unambiguously named after'' the actor, but a lot of examples are just "actor and character shares a name" even if it could be a coincidence or a CastingGag. [[Sandbox/TheDanzaWickCheck Wick check here.]] |
| 42 | * TheDeadHaveNames. Judging by its description, this is redundant to WarMemorial. However, the ''examples'' suggest that this is about a ''character'' remembering everybody who died in a war, meaning that it's a character action and not a list of names. This would mean that the trope name and/or the description need to be changed.\ |
| 43 | Administrivia/ImagePickin previously removed the image for TheDeadHaveNames ([[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1583203333063971600 link to thread]]) because it was a better fit for WarMemorial, and the current image for the latter was picked in a thread for the former, with the image on the former being pulled instead of replaced.* |
| 44 | * DevelopersForesight: Previously renamed from The Dev Team Thinks of Everything because it was being used too broadly -- it's about video game developers accounting for things players have to go out of their way to find, if they find them at all, but it was frequently misused to refer to {{Easter egg}}s and attention to detail. Despite the rename, the trope continues to suffer from roughly the same kind of misuse that caused it to get renamed. * |
| 45 | * DidntSeeThatComing: The trope is supposed to be that a careful plan goes to pieces because of something wholly unexpected (basically, TheChessmaster who fails at XanatosSpeedChess), but is misused for "a character was surprised by something" or for "a plot twist surprised the audience". The source of the misuse is likely the vague trope name, meaning that this trope might need a rename. * |
| 46 | * DiscreditedMeme is only supposed to allow {{Administrivia/In Universe|ExamplesOnly}} and creator-acknowledged examples, but it still gets frequent out-of-universe and non-creator acknowledged use, particularly from people [[Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike complaining about memes they don't like]]. The fact that it's classified as [[YMMV/HomePage YMMV]] is probably a factor -- creator-acknowledged information generally falls under {{Trivia}} and not YMMV. A similar situation happened with CreatorsApathy, which was moved from YMMV to Trivia when WordOfGod acknowledgment became a requirement. One option would be to split creator-acknowledged examples into a {{Trivia}} item with CreatorsApathy-style WordOfGod requirements (possibly also allowing WordOfSaintPaul acknowledgments) and in-universe examples into a separate Administrivia/InUniverseExamplesOnly trope, and turning DiscreditedMeme into a disambiguation page between the two. * |
| 47 | * DistaffCounterpart is currently defined as a character receiving a genderbent counterpart ''in a spinoff work.'' Many of these examples coexist with their source character in the same work, and the "spinoff" requirement may be unnecessarily narrow. Additionally, the merging of this trope with SpearCounterpart leaves the title misleading, as distaff specifically means female -- using the redirect messes up alphabetization. Has a wick check [[Sandbox/DistaffCounterpartWickCheck here]]. |
| 48 | * EpilepticTrees: This trope is supposed to be about fan theories that are so wild and insane that they couldn't possibly be true, despite what the fans hope for. However, it's most often used to discuss basic speculation and theory crafting that more often than not has evidence that supports it coming true in the future, which makes the trope feel utterly redundant to WildMassGuessing. * |
| 49 | * FamilyUnfriendlyViolence and FamilyUnfriendlyDeath: Both are about demographically-inappropriate violence in works aimed towards younger audiences, but are often used in place of "violence exists" or CruelAndUnusualDeath. It also may suffer from the same issues as WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids, in which works aimed towards children has their contents exaggerated to appear more dark than they actually are. The two tropes also seem to be redundant conceptually, with the only difference being that the latter requires outright death (which, in virtually all examples, involves physical violence). |
| 50 | * {{Flanderization}}: Often confused for TemporarilyExaggeratedTrait (when a character is only exaggerated for one scene/episode/chapter/etc) or CharacterExaggeration (where a character is exaggerated in an adaptation or a fanfic). Has a wick check [[Sandbox/FlanderizationWickCheck here]]. |
| 51 | * FlatWhat: Despite it being a dialogue trope, it's often used as a Administrivia/PotholeMagnet to describe the troper's own thoughts. It also has a tendency to be potholed to any instance of a character saying "What?" in response to something weird, even though it's supposed to be for someone saying "What." in a flat tone of voice as a statement of disbelief rather than a question of confusion. * |
| 52 | * FleetingDemographicRule: This trope has many examples of works that don't have a fleeting demographic, such as animated shock comedies. * |
| 53 | * FollowTheLeader: Often used to describe a single work being very similar to a more successful work instead of multiple works being very similar to a more successful one. Also attracts complaining/bashing in the form of baseless claims that "Work B is just Work A but RecycledInSpace[=/=]with the SerialNumbersFiledOff". * |
| 54 | * FountainOfMemes: According to [[SquarePegRoundTrope/EToK the "F" folder from the E-K section of the Square Peg, Round Trope page]], this AudienceReaction is supposed to be for characters that are highly memetic, but it's often used for works or scenes that have undergone this phenonemon, and this can be seen in several of its wicks. Could a more indicative name alleviate the misuse? * |
| 55 | * FourIsDeath: The trope is specifically for significant instances of Four being overtly associated with death or ghosts in Eastern media, but gets used for ''any'' instance of the number four being associated with various and likely coincidental negative things, or former examples of what is now known as EliteFour (and in fact that trope was originally launched to deal with a lot of this trope's former misuse, though that was not enough). Some instances of misuse [[Sandbox/FourIsDeath here]]. * |
| 56 | * FourManBand: Attracts [=ZCEs=], and uses a cumbersome table format for examples. * |
| 57 | * FreudianTrio: Most examples are ZCE that just list what character fits which type without saying ''how''. Pages also have incredibly weird formatting, presumably to get around the "no third bullets" rule. * |
| 58 | * FriendToAllLivingThings: Often used as AnimalLover, which is a character who loves animals, but the trope is meant to be when ''animals'' love the ''character''. * |
| 59 | * GainaxEnding: Despite being about endings that make no sense even within the context of the work, many examples are just odd {{Twist Ending}}s that still make sense within the context of the work. * |
| 60 | * GenderBlenderName: An IP discussion points out that the trope was often used as someone having a name common to the opposite gender. In reality, the trope was supposed to be for gender-neutral names. * |
| 61 | * GenderFlip: Frequently used throughout the site used as "Rule63 [[Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific But Official]]", but part of the description notes the original character and their flipped adaptational counterpart need to be visually distinct in appearance if not entirely. Most examples list works that just flip the gender and change the name with changes to appearance minuscule beyond TertiarySexualCharacteristics, and multiple examples list characters that are not the same character after a supposed flip, but rather {{Distaff|Counterpart}} and {{Spear Counterpart}}s. Wick Check [[Sandbox/GenderFlipWickCheck here]]. [[note]]Of course, this assumes that Rule63 itself is a valid trope to begin with instead of something more along the lines of FanSpeak.[[/note]] * |
| 62 | * GenreBusting: The striking majority of examples are works made of several different but easily distinguishable genres, which would put them under GenreMashup instead. There are also a few [=ZCEs=] littering the page, of the "extremely vague" type. Previous discussions [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1452000115002414600 here]] and [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15450288070A58363900 here]].\ |
| 63 | The TRS thread for Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly decided to migrate its examples to either GenreMashup or GenreBusting, but it clocked out during the cleanup phase. |
| 64 | * GoodIsImpotent: The definition used on the page is when a character is [[LiteralSplitPersonality split into their "good" and "evil" halves]], and the evil one is more effective than the good one. However, many examples describe good-aligned characters in general being ineffective. * |
| 65 | * GorgeousGorgon: The definition is a monster that is said to be hideous in the work but is actually conventionally attractive. The description does a really good job talking about why and how it's used and how it can be played with. ''However'', the on-page descriptions are all almost universally misuse, either being redundant with CuteMonsterGirl, SexyDimorphism, or listing any appearance of {{Medusa}} where she isn't ugly with no context as to whether or not she should be. * |
| 66 | * HumansAreGood: The page is misused for everyone (or most people) being inherently somewhat good (including the old page image and laconic), which is Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs. The trope only applies for settings with ''multiple'' races, in which humans are the "good" race. Might need a better name, since similarly-named tropes (like HumansAreBastards) ''do'' apply to everyone/most people in a work. * |
| 67 | * HumorDissonance: The item is intended for in-universe jokes that the characters find funny but the audience doesn't, but it's often used for writers deliberately setting up an unfunny joke that the characters (or certain characters) find funny, or when a character tells jokes that other characters find unfunny, both of which are objective. A good chunk of examples are on Recap pages, and even the YMMV wicks have several in-universe instances listed rather than audience reactions. * |
| 68 | * {{Hunk}}: Supposed to be a man who is handsome and masculine, misused for any character tropers find attracting. The intended definition may even be too subjective to begin with. Check 50 wicks. * |
| 69 | * IdiosyncraticDifficultyLevels: Supposed to be for games where '''most or all''' difficulty levels are labelled contrary to the default "easy, normal, hard". Many examples are just HarderThanHard with default difficulty naming. * |
| 70 | * IdiotHair: The trope's description is supposed to be about an idiotic or quirky character with a single strand of hair sticking up, but many examples list it as a character that has the hair without context about the character's personality, making it Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs very often. * |
| 71 | * IfYouEverDoAnythingToHurtHer: Description very clearly states that this is a method for one character (rival love interest/family member ''usually'') to formally give up their "claim" on the titular "her". Examples both on- and off-page ignore this in favor of focusing on the "you hurt her, I hurt you" aspect. * |
| 72 | * ImportantHairAccessory: The trope is about a character who either gets or removes a hair accessory to symbolize CharacterDevelopment. However, there are some examples that only describe the hair accessory as a gift from someone, making it overlap with ItWasAGift, without mentioning any CharacterDevelopment it might represent. * |
| 73 | * ImpossiblyCoolClothes: As brought up in [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1576381612018440600 this Image Pickin' thread,]] many outfits listed are not actually ''impossibly'' cool. * |
| 74 | * InstantWinCondition: Examples cover two different concepts, based on either the trope's title, or the trope's definition. The title and image imply that the trope is about a rule, mechanic, card, etc. that allows a player to win without having to accomplish a game's normal win conditions. The definition instead describes a situation where once one player wins, the game ignores anything that could nullify that victory, no matter how little sense it makes. There are also a few examples that seem to be about victory conditions in general. * |
| 75 | * ItsASmallWorldAfterAll: The description makes it clear that this is about works with space travel treating entire planets as equivalents to small towns, but the examples even just on the page are full of misuse for the commonly-known "people with preexisting connections meet up again by coincidence" meaning of the phrase. * |
| 76 | * LadyMondegreen: Supposed to be an AudienceReaction where a non-character phrase is misheard/read as a character (such as "laid him on the green" as "Lady Mondegreen" or "gladly the cross I'd bear" as "Gladly the Cross-Eyed Bear"), but instead is used for misheard lines in general, and it also has a lot of in-universe examples. * |
| 77 | * LateArrivalSpoiler: The trope is for when a spoiler for a serial work appears front-and-cover in advertising or other official sources, but it's often confused for ItWasHisSled or instances of sequels having story aspects that would spoil the original work for ''late arrivals'', as in people who watch the sequel first. * |
| 78 | * LipLock: The trope is about dialogue being changed in the dub to match the lip movement of the original version, but it's often used for cases where the characters' lips movements don't synchronize with their dialogue. It's also used for complaining. * |
| 79 | * LoverAndBeloved: Supposed to be about, within gay or ambiguously gay male couples, when "one partner is much older and acts as a mentor to another" per the description. However, it was [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800&page=482#comment-12029 brought up]] that many examples lack the "mentor" portion of the trope. Check 50 wicks. * |
| 80 | * TheMaidenNameDebate: Supposed to be about an engaged woman's uncertainty over changing her surname before getting married, but it often gets misused to describe married women who kept their maiden name or have hyphenated surnames without mentioning any debate before her decision. In some pages, it's even listed for unmarried characters with hyphenated surnames. * |
| 81 | * MandelaEffect: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=883#comment-22053 Noted]] as attracting nitpicking misuse, along with being poorly-defined and being launched by a serial ban evader. Check 50 wicks. * |
| 82 | * MentorShip: Is a YMMV trope about fans shipping a mentor and a mentee, but many examples on its main page are canon ships between mentors and students (essentially being used like TeacherStudentRomance but with mentors as opposed to teachers.) The trope may need splitting between a YMMV trope for fanon ships and a Main trope for canon ones. * |
| 83 | * MemeticMutation: Oftentimes, this attracts popular quotes with no explanation as to how they're memes. * |
| 84 | * MesACrowd: The trope is about making clones ''in order to do tasks'', and the hilarity that ensues as a result. Due to the vague name, several examples simply list instances of clones without specifying if they were made for a purpose. There may be confusion with SelfDuplication for this reason. * |
| 85 | * MindScrew: Is supposed to be for works that are deliberately confusing due to extensive RuleOfSymbolism and unexplained elements, but is used for ''any'' work that is confusing, or just confusing things in general. It is a Administrivia/PotholeMagnet. * |
| 86 | * MurderersAreRapists: The page is medium-specific in a way that isn't a requirement, off-page wicks attract ZCE, and the name is very similar to our "All X are Y" tropes. Listed on Administrivia/DefinitionOnlyPages due to @/FastEddie removing examples around a decade ago. * |
| 87 | * NameMeaningChange: The description says that this is when something's name is retroactively given a new meaning by its creators or other people in charge, but other examples are when it has a new meaning in an adaptation (which may fit better under AdaptationalContextChange), and InUniverse instances of people deciding to change the meaning of a name. Also has a lot of overlap with ReimaginingTheArtifact. * |
| 88 | * NoblewomansLaugh tends to attract ZCE in the form of 'character laughs like this', 'character laughed like this one time', etc. without noting the association of the laugh to the character being either a noblewoman or a bitch. * |
| 89 | * NobodyPoops: Most examples listed on work pages are aversions to this trope, but the trope is supposed to be for lampshaded examples. * |
| 90 | * NoRespectGuy: This trope is supposed to be about how {{The Chew Toy}}s are considered [[OnlySaneMan Only Sane Men]], but, due to the name, it gets misused as "any character who gets zero respect from others", which is the definition of ButtMonkey, TheFriendNobodyLikes, or HatedByAll. * |
| 91 | * NoodleIncident: This is supposed to be when a past incident is referred to but with no explanation for what happened. However, it's sometimes misused for any unseen past incident, even if we do know the basics of what happened. * |
| 92 | * OohMeAccentsSlipping: The trope is for when actors make a slip when portraying a character with an accent foreign to their own, but a lot of examples are in-universe cases of a character doing this while faking an accent for different reasons (and there is an entire section for it on the trope page). * |
| 93 | * OutOfOrder: This is supposed to be about a work being presented in the wrong order in its initial debut (i.e. tv episodes airing in a different order than production order, or comic books being published not in the intended order), but is commonly misused to say that a work is presented on something like a home media release or on a streaming service in an order that is different from the original order. * |
| 94 | * OvershadowedByControversy: Often misused for non-controversies, along with off-mission usage. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16676049360A65277500 A Trope Talk thread]] suggested limiting this YMMV item to media and media creators only. [[Sandbox/OvershadowedByControversyWickCheck Ongoing wick check of 50 wicks]]. * |
| 95 | * PlayfulOtter: While this trope is supposed to be about otters being seen as fun or playful, many examples are just "otters exist" or lack context. Check 50 wicks. * |
| 96 | * PornStache: A lot of examples are just about the mustache without any indication of the stereotype it represents. * |
| 97 | * PronounTrouble: Despite the trope being clear-cut and objective, multiple examples talk about ''fans'' having trouble figuring out what pronouns to use for a character. If we don't already have a YMMV trope for this, it's good splitting fodder. * |
| 98 | * ProtagonistTitleFallacy: Supposed to be for when audiences correctly identify what character the title of the work is referring to, but wrongfully assume said character must be the protagonist because they're in the title. However, it gets misused as a Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific version of IAmNotShazam that is about people misidentifying the name of the protagonist as the name in the title, even on the main trope page. Even the examples that aren't explicitly misuse fail to explain how viewers mistake the title character for the protagonist. * |
| 99 | * RedundantParody: A trope that keeps getting wicked in [=YMMV=] subpages, possibly due to people comparing it to ShallowParody. On the trope's Discussions page, there is no mention of it ever being a [=YMMV=] item. |
| 100 | * RetroUniverse: Supposed to be about an AlternateUniverse where retro, vintage or antiquated technology, styles and aesthetics are still used, but is often mistaken for AnachronismStew and AmbiguousTimePeriod. * |
| 101 | * RockStarSong: Attracts a lot of zero-context examples, both on and off-page, many of which just state the name of the song. Wick check [[Sandbox/RockstarSongWickCheck here]]. |
| 102 | * RomanticVampireBoy: On-page examples are devoid of context. A wick check will be needed to determine how widespread the issue is. * |
| 103 | * RougeAnglesOfSatin: This trope is supposed to be about a specific kind of spelling error in which the spelling of the word is correct, but the word itself is wrong. However, it’s frequently used to describe any sort of grammatical error, no matter if the typo is a correctly-spelled word or not. * |
| 104 | * SapientCetaceans: Intended to be for whales being as smart as humans, but is misused as "any anthropomorphic whale." Check 50 wicks. * |
| 105 | * ScaryBlackMan: This trope is supposed to be about a portrayal of large black men as scary, but, as noted by [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16435542920A92156600&page=1#comment-8 this comment]], it has been extremely problematically misused as any strong or tough black male character. If wick checked, 59 wicks need checking. * |
| 106 | * TheScream: The trope is about how an exaggerated scream is used for (usually) comedic effect. However, most examples detail just about any situation in which a character yells, no matter how mundane it is. The trope is also incorrectly used to reference Creator/EdvardMunch's [[Art/TheScream eponymous]] painting. * |
| 107 | * SensoryOverload: The description and on-page examples state that it's supposed to be for when someone is intentionally overwhelmed with sensory input (usually involving SuperSenses), but it's frequently used for the real-life psychological phenomenon of sensory overload. Might need a rename, and real-life sensory overload should also have a Useful Notes page. * |
| 108 | * SetSwordsToStun: The description very clearly refers to video game mechanics, but the examples are about non-lethal lethal weapons in all media and contexts. * |
| 109 | * SkullForAHead: Most examples are just [=ZCEs=] amounting to "character has skull head" with no actual explanation. * |
| 110 | * SoundEffectBleep: Originally intended for when an in-universe sound effect covers up dialogue so that the audience can't hear it, it has become frequently used to refer to regular censor bleeps. Even the trope definition has a bit of a split personality. * |
| 111 | * SuspiciouslySimilarSong: Using text to explain how two songs are similar is a skill apparently not possessed by most tropers, leading to massive violation of Administrivia/WeblinksAreNotExamples. There are also two separate styles of misuse. A lot of times, it's used for ''deliberately'' similar songs, which goes under MusicalPastiche. Other times, it's used for songs that aren't ''suspiciously'' similar -- as in "intended to sound like another song but legally distinct for copyright purposes" -- but simply share coincidental melodic similarities, more akin to JustForFun/SurprisinglySimilarStories. * |
| 112 | * TaintedByThePreview: Supposed to be when a fanbase is turned off from an anticipated work because of a trailer, but is used for any work that doesn't impress from the offset, regardless of any fan backing or not. It's also misused for when the fandom doesn't like ''any'' information about an upcoming work. Might need to either be broadened or have its name changed, since the current one makes this reaction seem broader than it actually is. * |
| 113 | * TakeThat: It specifically refers to when works call out other works, but is often used whenever anything is called out in a negative light. * |
| 114 | * ThongOfShielding: On-page examples lack the context required, with very few mentioning use for censorship, a requirement for the trope. * |
| 115 | * TimmyInAWell: Examples seem to follow a broader definition than one specific "Stock Plot" involving some child in trouble (which is mainly associated with the HeroicPet genre), though a significant number do parody that. * |
| 116 | * TitlePlease: Seems to attract zero-context examples, and since all aversions are covered by EpisodeTitleCard, it's questionable whether we need both tropes. * |
| 117 | * TooSpicyForYogSothoth: Attracts examples of non-supernatural entities having their weak spot taken advantage of by one or more humans, but it's meant to be about a supernatural entity instantly holding a ''grudge'' or being otherwise repulsed upon coming into contact with a single human specifically, whatever this Yog had planned to do with them. * |
| 118 | * TroubledProduction: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13327578050A72722200&page=410#comment-10242 Noted]] as attracting misuse for minor problems in a work's production or "toxic work culture" (which may be too common to list) as opposed to massive, disastrous productions. A cut or Trivia conversion was suggested. Check 62 wicks. |
| 119 | * {{Unobtainium}}. It's right in the name: an important part of this trope is that we ''can't obtain'' this material. That's rarer than you'd think in fiction, and indeed it's getting misused for any material that's rare and valuable. Given that "unobtainable" materials end up being eventually "obtained" in most fiction, it's not clear that this is a sufficiently distinct trope from AppliedPhlebotinum and its family. * |
| 120 | * TheUnfavourite: Refers to children whose parents neglect them as a result of ParentalFavoritism directed toward their sibling(s), but it's sometimes applied to characters who are ignored or neglected in other ways. * |
| 121 | * TheUnReveal: Is supposed to be "TheReveal, Subverted" but instead is often used for examples where something is unknown yet no reveal is set up for the audience at all. * |
| 122 | * UnstoppableForceMeetsImmovableObject: "A StockPhrase for describing any conflict between particularly strong or [[{{Determinator}} particularly stubborn]] individuals". The article is explicitly about the phrase itself but it is frequently used to describe conflicts directly without anyone making the comparison in-universe. * |
| 123 | * VillainKiller: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16530021320A77772900 This Trope Talk thread]] indicated that this trope may be suffering from misuse in the form of any character who kills a lot of enemies, even if that isn't necessarily a trait associated with the characters. 50 wicks need checking. * |
| 124 | * ViolationOfCommonSense: This is a video game trope wherein the game gives you the option to do something plainly foolish, then rewards you for doing it. Many of the examples, even on the page, are just "this works in a way I personally think is nonsensical." Many other examples are just dumb things the game lets you do. * |
| 125 | * SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: Keeps attracting examples about things that aren't visual effects, like any kind of animation, even when the work is primarily animated. SugarWiki/AwesomeArt is suited for that purpose. See its Administrivia/SquarePegRoundTrope entry [[SquarePegRoundTrope/QToZ right here]]. |
| 126 | * VocalDissonance: While "Character has an unfitting voice for their appearance for comedy or characterization reasons" is absoutly a thing, such as a musclebound bouncer with a goofy falsetto, or a character who appears to be a child sounding like an adult as a hint to their actual age, too many of the examples seem to be "a character has a slightly higher or deeper voice than I expected." Characters that are older teenaged boys tend to especially be a magnet for that type of example. * |
| 127 | * WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Is supposed to be specifically for ''minor'' characters or plot points that disappear without explanation, but it sees use for all types. * |
| 128 | * WildMagic: On Website/ThisVeryWiki, "Wild Magic" refers to magic being "alive" (that is, magic that isn't easily controlled). However, in most other places, the term "Wild Magic" refers to magic that produces random effects (which we have under "EntropyAndChaosMagic"). Predictably, this leads to a lot of examples that use the more "common" definition than the one used on the site. * |
| 129 | * {{Woolseyism}}: The definition deals with changes made to a translation done specifically for pragmatic reasons that end up well-received. Examples frequently treat it as if it was straight-up SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing. Occasionally, it's misused to complain about translations being ''worse'' than the original, despite the proper definition having to do with ''good'' translations. * |
| 130 | * JustForFun/XMeetsY: Used as a Administrivia/PotholeMagnet, usually for {{Crossover}}s, despite already being a JustForFun page about works combining the main elements of two other works. The main page is also loaded with [=ZCEs=] and FanMyopia. * |
| 131 | * YouthfulFreckles: There's several examples that merely list characters with freckles without specifying what's "youthful" about them. There might be a need to make it more defined in regards to whether the freckled character is meant to be uncool/misfit or just young. * |
| 132 | [[/folder]] |
| 133 | |
| 134 | [[folder:Not Thriving]] |
| 135 | * {{Adminisphere}}: Created before 2010, but only has 27 wicks, only 9 of which link to work or character pages, and 212 inbounds as of 28th of July. |
| 136 | * CharlieChaplinShoutOut: Only has 32 wicks as of April 30, 2020, and may work better as a ReferencedBy subpage (ReferencedBy.CharlieChaplin) than a trope -- "Shout-Out to Shakespeare" was moved to ReferencedBy.WilliamShakespeare and "Good Grief, Another Peanuts Shout-Out!" was moved to ReferencedBy.{{Peanuts}}. |
| 137 | * ChicAndAwe: Existed since 2009, 20 wicks excluding indices. |
| 138 | * CommonHollywoodSexTraits: Only has 24 wicks, many of which are aversions. All the on-page examples are [[Administrivia/ExamplesAreNotGeneral general,]] and the amount of detail in said examples may violate the Content Policy. It's unknown if this is trope-worthy or could at least be remade into an index or super-trope, as it has heavy overlap with IdealizedSex. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=98197&type=att Discussion.]] |
| 139 | * CrowsNestCartography: Only has 18 wicks as of 11 August 2021. This is possibly due to the name not being indicative of the trope (which is meant to be about video-game maps being gradually revealed the higher you go), and would probably be thriving more under the more commonly used term "Ubisoft Towers". |
| 140 | * CurtainFic: The page has been here since 2009 but only has 27 wicks. Also, while "curtain fic" is certainly a known term within the fanfic community, it's likely examples have been left untroped because a casual reader has no clue the term existed. Might also benefit from being expanded to include chapters of a work instead of the entire work, and for the description to put more emphasis that the activity doesn't have to be shopping. |
| 141 | * DramaticHourLong has been around since 2008 but only has 31 wicks. It doesn't even have any on-page examples! |
| 142 | * FarOutForeignersFavoriteFood: 18 non-index wicks for a trope that has existed since 2011. Looks like a supertrope to the much younger AliensLoveHumanFood, but neither crosswicks the other. |
| 143 | * FauxInterracialRelationship: Being a DeadHorseTrope, it currently has a very short description, has only 13 examples, and only 14 wicks. A [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1515225173064791800 previous TRS thread]] for this trope was started in 2018, but was closed without consensus. |
| 144 | * Front13Back9: Created in 2010, but currently only has 18 wicks. On top of that, the description also reads like it's a Useful Note instead. |
| 145 | * HomogenousMultinationalAdCampaign: Only has 9 wicks since 2009. Part of the issue might be the fact that it's an advertising trope, making crosswicking more difficult since many campaigns and companies don't have pages here, but the idea of the trope (creating a product that is vague enough to appeal to all international markets) doesn't even need to be advertising-specific. |
| 146 | * HotlinkedImageSwitch: Had only six wicks prior to being added here (October 22, 2020), one of which is on Administrivia/PagesNeedingWicks and none of which are on work pages. On-page examples are primarily focused on real life examples with little to no focus on fiction. |
| 147 | * HumanToWerewolfFootprints: Been here since 2007, but only has 29 wicks and few on-page examples (mostly from cartoons). |
| 148 | * ICantSeeMyself: Been here since 2011, only eleven examples on-page and 16 wicks. |
| 149 | * IfYouCallBeforeMidnightTonight: Only 20 wicks since 2007, as discovered by [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13544789560A75740100&page=452#comment-11287 this TLP Crash Rescue comment.]] |
| 150 | * InternetMimic: 14 wicks since 2008 along with it being an audience reaction in Main/ with questionable tropeworthiness. |
| 151 | * LiveActionCartoon: Only 23 wicks since 2016, and it attracts zero-context examples even on the page. |
| 152 | * LongJohnShoutout: Has a low amount of wicks (11 before being added to this page on October 22, 2020), pointing toward it being redundant with ReferencedBy.TreasureIsland. |
| 153 | * MadeOfShiny: Has only 4 examples (none are valid) and has 22 wicks (only 11 are work wicks). Practically wasn't worked on since it was made in 2008. |
| 154 | * MiniaturesConversions: Listed as a Administrivia/{{Definition Only Page|s}}, but it has been pointed out that there may be InUniverse examples. |
| 155 | * MyArtMyMemory: Has been here since 2011, but only has fifteen wicks and a low on-page example count. |
| 156 | * NoSeriousBusinessInShowbusiness: Some kind of YMMV that might be a specific version of AngstAversion. Has 5 wicks and only 1 "straight" example on the page. |
| 157 | * ObviousSecondChoice: Only 10 wicks outside of Administrivia and nine examples listed on its page despite existing since 2011. |
| 158 | * OneCaseAtATime: Only 5 wicks. As an AcceptableBreaksFromReality trope for detective fiction, it has no on-page straight examples and is barely wicked anywhere. Definitely trope worthy, but it hasn't caught on. |
| 159 | * OhCisco: A trope from '07 that only has 46 wicks. It's not even brought up on Series/TheCiscoKid's page, its trope namer. The problem here is probably the Trope Namer Syndrome-y name. |
| 160 | * OneIPreparedEarlier: Has only 27 wicks, is almost exclusively the domain of cooking shows, and is less a narrative convention than a necessity of the format. The entire concept could be adequately explained in one sentence on the CookingShow page. |
| 161 | * OnlyInAmerica: Only 28 wicks since 2008 and no examples on the page. The "trope" seems to just be describing a real-life media slant. |
| 162 | * OverlyLongAirplaneBannerGag: Only 11 wicks since 2011; seems to be describing a highly specific type of gag that may be Administrivia/TooRareToTrope on its own. |
| 163 | * PathOfGreatestResistance: Appears to be a video game-exclusive trope. Only 16 wicks. |
| 164 | * PhraseSaladLyrics: Doesn't have very many wicks, and [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1502648759079077800 a previous thread]] was in favor of merging it with WordSaladLyrics due to the definition being "[[Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific The Same, but Less]]" to WordSaladLyrics (which is already covered by DownplayedTrope), but the thread clocked out due to inactivity. While the description claims that such songs are more common than songs with WordSaladLyrics, in addition to claiming that they might be as common as songs with a clear meaning, the fact that the PhraseSaladLyrics only has a two-digit wick count while the WordSaladLyrics has a four-digit wick count casts doubt on that claim. |
| 165 | * PlotPants: Only 11 wicks since 2008, which could be because the description isn't super clear on what it's supposed to be about (which appears to be "characters briefly break from their LimitedWardrobe"). It might be a dupe of another trope, too... |
| 166 | * PrematureAggravation: Has only had 13 wicks since 2008. Most of the examples on the page don't seem to fit the description of "person gets aggravated after imagining a slight". |
| 167 | * RadiographOfDoom: 14 wicks and 10 on-page examples. Possibly hampered by the name. |
| 168 | * QueensPuzzle: 13 wicks since 2008; but the examples indicate it's not tropeworthy. |
| 169 | * {{Reveille}}: Only has 14 wicks since 2014. The name for the bugle call may be too obscure, especially when compared to the healthier {{Taps}} article. |
| 170 | * RuleOfAnimationConservation: 22 wicks, and no example section. Made [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.RuleOfAnimationConservation 10 years ago, with only 7 edits]]. It's not about animating only specific things, like ConspicuouslyLightPatch has specific colored things, but instead is about the specific use of the medium of animation for works in general. Could do with a better name? |
| 171 | * SandersonsFirstLaw: Despite being made in 2013, it only has 18 wicks and no on-page examples. The trope describes other "laws" (despite the title implying that it only covers one), seems to overlap with TheLawsOfMagic and FunctionalMagic, and reads more like a work page than an actual trope. |
| 172 | * SentOffToWorkForRelatives: Was launched in 2011 but is still struggling to gather wicks even after crosswicking. It has only 15 now. Some have suggested it might be due to the name being too narrow. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=i2var461uwn96yaxclhmnv2c Discussed here]]. |
| 173 | * SpoilerHound: Someone intentionally spoiling a work is an AudienceReaction, not an objective trope (a clearer objective equivalent exists at SpitefulSpoiler), yet this isn't YMMV. In addition, it lacks examples and would probably work better as a Administrivia/DefinitionOnlyPage due to how broad the concept is. |
| 174 | * TrueArtIsAncient: Examples removed years ago without wiki consensus. |
| 175 | * TrueArtIsBoring: Examples removed years ago without wiki consensus. |
| 176 | * VideoGameWeaponStats: Despite being made in 2011, the page only has 15 off-page wicks, and all of the subpages were moved into JFF because they weren't really tropes. |
| 177 | [[/folder]] |
| 178 | |
| 179 | [[folder:Poor title]] |
| 180 | * AmeritrashGames: While this is a common term that doesn't seem to cause Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike issues, it's still blatantly derogatory. "{{Amerigame}}", which is used by Wikipedia, is a viable alternative (and current redirect). |
| 181 | * AndCallHimGeorge: The title has nothing to do with the actual definition of the trope, which is physically hurting a character while trying to give them physical affection instead. |
| 182 | * ArtificialStupidity: Trope is supposed to be "AI is able to make choices and decisions but it does so badly", however many examples involve "AI" that is just following pre-determined orders, or things that they can't do because it was never programmed to be able to in the first place. Possible rename. * |
| 183 | * BathingBeauty: The title makes it sound like "beautiful character taking a bath" when it's supposed to be about a character who likes to bathe a lot and/or has more bath scenes than the rest of the cast. As it is, the title implies the trope only applies to characters who are beautiful instead of counting characters who like baths or showers without necessarily being a MsFanservice. * |
| 184 | * BornInAnElevator is broader than its title suggests -- it covers any instance of a baby being born on the way to the hospital. There are just as many examples, if not more, that have the baby born in a ''vehicle''. It only has 63 wicks, and this specific name may be preventing broader use. * |
| 185 | * CaughtInTheRain: The title doesn't hint in any way that it has to lead to kissing or sex. However, RomanticRain is supposed to be the variant that leads to kissing or sex. Compare sister tropes SnowedIn (which doesn't lead to kissing or sex) and SnowMeansLove (which does). * |
| 186 | * CipherScything: Meant to be a trope about a "generic" or FeaturelessProtagonist being fleshed out or removed in an adaptation; it has less than 40 examples on-page, and 39 wicks (of which only 25 link to work or character pages). While "cipher" is an actual term for "blank slate" protagonists, the title doesn't clarify that that's what it's referring to in this context. A rename would help these issues, assuming tropes that like CanonName or CuttingOffTheBranches don't render this trope redundant. |
| 187 | * CityInABottle: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1446398520077030400 Two]] [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1585676763018488800 threads]] have had difficulty picking images because this trope has a misleading name -- it can be confused for literal cities in bottles. * |
| 188 | * ConfirmationBias: Uses a pre-existing term about a fallacy for something more specific that occurs in fandom. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16646968130A01017700 Discussed here.]] |
| 189 | * CoolCrown: The title probably should include something that specifies that the crown is meant to be worn by an important character, such as royalty, as there's some pages that list it for characters that just wear a crown as an accessory. * |
| 190 | * CoolMask: The trope seems in need for a title that indicates the one wearing the mask is supposed to be badass and the like as many examples tend to only include characters with a mask and not much context behind it. [[Sandbox/CoolMaskWickCheck Wick check started here.]] Grabbed by @/{{selkies}} and is now complete. |
| 191 | * DestroyTheEvidence: Did you think this trope was actually about destroying the evidence? Nope! This is (meant to be) specifically and only about evidence that is (1) about someone else, and (2) could be given to the authorities specifically. Needless to say the page has examples (and formerly an image) relating to destroying evidence in general. |
| 192 | * DoubleAesop: It's [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=a47zggn5od97zb0wcjobu131#comment-fs5fcc2f287819a been shown]] that the name can make one think of two morals being delivered instead of just one, but the trope is actually about two people learning the same aesop. * |
| 193 | * DroppedGlasses: The trope is narrower than the name suggests, and examples are a mixture of dropped glasses being stepped on and dropped glasses causing problems. On Administrivia/ImagePickin, it was [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1586323264075026100&page=1#comment-2 suggested by a mod]] that this be taken to TRS due to the trope's clarity issues. * |
| 194 | * EinsteinSue: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=87476&type=att See here]]. "Character with no expertise knows the solution when experts don't" is a valid trope, but because of the "Sue" in its name, the name seems too negative, and not every character who has this happen to them is automatically a MarySue. * |
| 195 | * EntertaininglyWrong: The title suggests something broader than the trope, which refers to characters drawing the wrong conclusion from correct but incomplete information. Its redirect, WrongForTheRightReasons, is more explicit about this, and [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15600226610A81760400&page=51#comment-1258 may actually be a better title.]] * |
| 196 | * EskimosArentReal: Though the trope is thriving fine, "Eskimo" is a controversial word, as discussed in the [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16012241180A76966300&page=1#comment-10 tropes with outdated/offensive names thread]]. Concerns were also brought up that referring to a ''specific'' disbelieved item might be misleading, since the trope is more general than that. * |
| 197 | * FallenPrincess: The trope is about a rich or royal lady who loses her status and becomes a better person for it, but the title makes it easy for tropers to mistake it as just a princess who lost her privileges without going into detail on whether it was good or bad for her personality. * |
| 198 | * FierySalamander applies to any reptile or amphibian with fire powers, not salamanders exclusively. But the trope name appears to imply otherwise, making the trope sound narrower than it actually is. * |
| 199 | * HarmfulToMinors: This trope is about children ''watching'' something that's bad for them, but due to the vague title, it's frequently used for bad things happening ''directly'' to children. * |
| 200 | * HeroHarassesHelpers: The title makes it seem like this trope is about a hero pushing around {{the everym|an}}en or BadassNormal characters who get swept up in the plot, but it actually concerns the hero passively ''rejecting'' help, usually for pragmatic reasons (not wanting to endanger others, worrying that they'll be too much of an enabler, etc). * |
| 201 | * HunterOfHisOwnKind: The description says that the hunter has to be the lone good member of an AlwaysChaoticEvil race, which is not indicated in the title. * |
| 202 | * HypeBacklash: Refers to when a work is so heavily praised it can't possibly meet the fans' expectations. However, given that that hype can be prerelease publicity and anticipation, it is sometimes misused for when works are hyped up prior to release and fail to meet expectations when they come out. HypeAversion, which is about when people avoid seeing the work for similar reasons, is also misused in this context. * |
| 203 | * IAmNotShazam: Is about when the main character in the work is mistakenly called the title of the work. Was named after a character formerly known as Captain Marvel, but now that the character's name is actually Shazam, it makes the title confusing. Also suffers from similar ZCE issues to ProtagonistTitleFallacy, in that the examples often don't explain how the audience makes the mistake. * |
| 204 | * TheImp: The title is too broad for the concept it's meant to cover: a vice-ridden, non-threatening creature often tied to a more powerful character. Unsurprisingly, it attracts examples of all imp-like creatures. |
| 205 | * KrakenAndLeviathan: Despite the name, it's not about literal krakens and leviathans, but a Same But More Specific version of SeaMonster. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13646132210A95550100&page=818#comment-20426 Discussed here.]] * |
| 206 | * LadyInRed: The title merely means female characters in red, never mentioning that the character has to be "sexual" * |
| 207 | * TheLethalConnotationOfGunsAndOthers: Trope name is overly long and hard to remember, which probably explains why it has so few examples despite dating to 2009. |
| 208 | * LogicBomb: This trope is for when a computer blows up because it cannot process certain information, but due to the vague title, it's used for ''any'' kind of paradox regardless of who interprets it or what happens as a result. * |
| 209 | * {{Loincloth}}: The title and probably description should be changed to specify a trait associated with the loincloth, such as manliness and toughness. A considerable number of examples are just "character wears a loincloth" because of the poor definition. * |
| 210 | * LookOnMyWorksYeMightyAndDespair: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1650029440085848900&page=1#comment-13 Identified]] by the TRS thread for AndManGrewProud as having an unclear title, poor image, and possible resultant misuse issues. The description has also been noted as being unclear. Might need an expansion and possibly a rename. 50 wicks need checking. * |
| 211 | * MetallicarSyndrome: The 72 wicks--which is more than starving, but not many for a 12-year-old trope--suggests this suffers from a case of Administrivia/TropeNamerSyndrome (a FanNickname from a particular forum for a character's car featured in ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'', which was big in 2010) * |
| 212 | * TheNeidermeyer: One of the few remaining "The X" tropes named after a character that isn't from mythology or classical literature. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16636476330.32569400 Image Pickin' thread]] indicated wide agreement that the name is unclear for people unfamiliar with ''Film/AnimalHouse''. * |
| 213 | * ObligatoryBondageSong: Another "generic song topic trope", but this song in particular has a poor name, since in no way are artists ''obligated'' to make a BDSM song. * |
| 214 | * OddlySmallOrganization: the trope is an organization that ''we are informed'' is pretty large, but ''we are shown'' only a small team. It gets misused for any organization that is small. * |
| 215 | * OnOneCondition: The trope describes plots where a dying person's inheritance is only granted to a character if they meet a certain condition. However, several wicks use it in the context of ''other'' conditional agreements, due to the title sounding more like a StockPhrase. The broader idea of an agreement reliant on a certain condition may be tropeworthy, while this more specific idea about wills should get a more specific title. * |
| 216 | * PaintItBlack: Does not describe what the trope is, i.e. a magical EvilMakeover. In addition, the TropeNamer ("Paint It Black" by Music/{{The Rolling Stones|Band}}) has nothing to do with the trope, which even the description points out. * |
| 217 | * PerverseSexualLust: Often gets linked to for any time a character acts perverted or lustful, when in reality it's only for attraction to fictional characters, which the title (which is an obscure reference) doesn't make clear at all. * |
| 218 | * PhlebotinumInducedStupidity: Far too restrictive a name for something that doesn't have to involve {{Phlebotinum}} at all; it only has 95 wicks. Could be renamed and expanded to include {{Status Infliction Attack}}s that reduce Intelligence. * |
| 219 | * PrincessInRags: The trope is about a rich character who has fallen from grace, but still acts and dresses like a RichBitch, while privately lamenting her lost fortune. However, the title sounds like a literal princess who is dressed like a poor person without implying that she lost her fortune and status. * |
| 220 | * ThePromise: While this trope is supposed to be about a "dramatically-made promise that serves as foreshadowing", per the description, the name is so vague that it has been [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16777244170A60445500&page=3#comment-63 suspected]] of getting misuse for ''any'' promise. Check 50 wicks. * |
| 221 | * ThePunishment: The page describes a very specific concept - a supernatural punishment that also gives the victim superpowers - but the name is as vague as can be. The description also weirdly describes the victim as "the Punishment", with capitalization. * |
| 222 | * TheQuisling: Supposed to mean a collaborator who serves as an authority figure, but the vague name results in misuse for any collaborator. * |
| 223 | * RiverOfInsanity: The trope isn't actually about rivers but about any trip, and attracts misuse based on that. Its redirect DoomedExpedition covers the content better. * |
| 224 | * {{Robosexual}}: Refers to robots having sex lives, but used to refer to humans attracted--romantically and/or sexually--to robots, which stems from offsite usage of the term. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1426750858042389600&page=45#comment-1107 Relevant discussion, including a partial wick check.]] |
| 225 | * {{Sarashi}}: The trope is supposed to be about characters who wear sarashi to show their toughness, but many examples are limited to "character wears a sarashi" because the title doesn't specify anything related to the sarashi. * |
| 226 | * SelfAbuse: Nothing in the title indicates that it's a euphemism for masturbation as opposed to something like SelfHarm. It doesn't seem to be heavily misused, but it may be underused, with only 52 wicks since 2011. * |
| 227 | * ShamelessFanserviceGirl: While the Trope is intended to be about rejecting the nudity taboo (note that NoNudityTaboo is an index and not a trope), its title has led people to believe that it's about characters who embrace their sexuality, which is covered by several FanserviceTropes. * |
| 228 | * ShatteringTheIllusion: The title doesn't explicitly convey that the shattering results from the character's personal empowerment or realization. Also attracts [=ZCEs=] in the form of "Happens in..." [[Sandbox/ShatteringTheIllusionWickCheck Wick Check]] |
| 229 | * SleepCute is supposed to mean a shot of two characters innocently sleeping together in close proximity, more often than not indicating a ShipTease. However, due to the misleading name (which in itself is a snowclone of MeetCute), it sometimes gets misused as "character looks cute when sleeping", which is defined by a BeautifulDreamer. * |
| 230 | * TheSnarkKnight: Supposed to be "A world-weary character finds everyone worth snarking at, themselves included", but is often used interchangeably with DeadpanSnarker due to the title not indicating any difference. |
| 231 | * SolidGoldPoop: Meant to be for waste materials being valuable to someone else, but some on-page examples took the name literally. * |
| 232 | * SomeKindOfForceField: Title doesn't explain which aspect of a ForceField is involved, and is supposedly named after a stock phrase. * |
| 233 | * {{Tanuki}}: Supposed to be about a particular stereotype of the tanuki species in Japanese culture, but it's used for ''any'' representation of the real-life animal, whether or not it fits the stereotype. Renaming it to something like "Trickster Tanuki" would better emphasize the stereotype part. * |
| 234 | * TechPoints: The trope's name requires familiarity with its Trope Namer, leading to its underuse. It has only 96 wicks and about 40 or so on-page examples. A rename should probably clarify what the trope is about. * |
| 235 | * TWordEuphemism: Doubly outdated title, referring to the deprecated practice of "Trope" as a title placeholder, and confusing when there are actual derogatory words that begin with "t". In addition, the preexisting term "minced oath" already covers this concept, among other euphemistic ways of replacing or referring to actual profanity. * |
| 236 | * TheTonsillitisEpisode: Despite its name, the trope also covers wisdom tooth removal under the justification that it's an EvolvingTrope. These two concepts might be different enough to split off, or similar enough to be merged into a general "Short-Term Medical Procedure Episode" trope. * |
| 237 | * TrojanGauntlet: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1596035975056884100 On Image Pickin']], it was discovered that the page has a CreatorProvincialism issue -- the "Trojan" in the name refers to a brand of condom that's unknown outside the US, so the name ends up sounding like a reference to the TrojanHorse. The actual trope is "Embarrassing Condom Purchase." * |
| 238 | * {{Understatement}}: Supposed to only allow InUniverse examples, but due to the simple name, to say that it's attracting invalid wicks would be...well, an understatement. * |
| 239 | * VanillaProtagonist: Previously renamed from Designated Protagonist Syndrome because of complaining, but continues to attract complaining. In the new name's case, it's often used to complain about protagonists thought to be boring, when it's actually about protagonists who are intentionally less defined for the sake of making supporting characters stand out more. Its summary on the AudienceReactions index gave the wrong definition at one point, and the fact that it's indexed under AudienceReactions to begin with, rather than YMMV.HomePage, has also been questioned, since the character is objectively in the work, and the subjective part is whether the character does in fact help supporting characters stand out more. A previous TRS thread was made, with a wick check demonstrating misuse to mean boring protagonists. The thread clocked out without any changes being made, despite support in favor of cleaning up complaining, but there was support for renaming; Enabling Protagonist was one suggestion given as a replacement name. |
| 240 | * WildGooseChase is supposed to be the highly specific trope that somebody discovers a tracker device (e.g. on his car) and attaches it to a random other car or object, thus making the signal useless in a funny way. Predictably, this gets misused for, well, what the phrase "WildGooseChase" normally means, or characters saying the phrase. The phrase should arguably be a redirect to SnipeHunt, and this trope should be renamed. It appears to be not thriving either, which may be caused by the name not matching the content. * |
| 241 | * YouBastard refers to when the work calls out the audience for enjoying something. However, due to the vague title, it is sometimes misused for when a character calls another character a bastard, which fits more under YouMonster. * |
| 242 | [[/folder]] |
| 243 | |
| 244 | [[folder:Should be In-Universe Examples Only]] |
| 245 | * DeadArtistsAreBetter: Should probably be IUEO since it covers in-universe opinions about dead artists while PosthumousPopularityPotential is an {{Audience Reaction|s}} that covers real life instances of dead artists seeing a boost in popularity after their death. * |
| 246 | [[/folder]] |
| 247 | |
| 248 | [[folder:Actually subjective]] |
| 249 | * AcclaimedFlop: It's about the critical reception of a work, which means it should be YMMV, not Trivia. Its inverse, CriticProof, ''is'' YMMV. * |
| 250 | * AlbumFiller: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13134531370A81899700&page=23#comment-565 Brought up in the gushing cleanup thread]] as a trope that reads like (and should probably be) YMMV, as the concept concerns a subjective topic (songs that are seen as having little purpose other than filler on albums). * |
| 251 | * AntiClimax: Claiming that the end of a story is anticlimatic is pretty subjective. What appears to be anticlimatic to one person may not be the case for someone else. * |
| 252 | * BeamMeUpScotty: A line being attributed to a work when it was never actually said in it is something done by the audience, so it should be YMMV instead of Trivia. Its supertrope, CommonKnowledge, is already YMMV. * |
| 253 | * BrieferThanTheyThink: This is based on the audience being surprised that something didn't last as long as they expected, so it belongs under YMMV. |
| 254 | * BrutalBonusLevel: Common sister trope of ThatOneLevel (which is for when non-bonus levels are difficult), where a bonus level is a significant DifficultySpike. Some wicks are already on YMMV pages, and both ThatOneLevel and DifficultySpike are already YMMV. * |
| 255 | * CarriedByTheHost: Appears to be about how fans perceive a game show host, with a comparison made to EnsembleDarkhorse in the description. * |
| 256 | * CelebrityParadox: Actors being in something else that was referenced in the work is usually a connection made by the audience, not something deliberately done by the creators. There are some lampshaded examples, but that's not the primary way this trope is used on the site. * |
| 257 | * ColbertBump and NewbieBoom: A sudden influx of new fans is more of an AudienceReaction than a Trivia item. A handful of wicks are indeed in the YMMV namespace. * |
| 258 | * CrossCulturalKerfluffle: Relies on audience reaction from different countries - tellingly, the description compares the trope to HarsherInHindsight and ValuesDissonance, both of which are YMMV tropes. * |
| 259 | * DisplacedOrigin: Both of its subtropes are already YMMV, its OppositeTrope is also already YMMV, and the description is unclear. * |
| 260 | * DyingForSymbolism: The trope is that the author wants to show heavy symbolism (generally a massive turn for the worse in the author's world) and does so by having an important character killed off. However, most of the examples are not based on WordOfGod; but on inferral or speculation of tropers who like the work. That makes it YMMV. * |
| 261 | * EarlyGameHell: In 2020, DifficultySpike was made YMMV because difficulty spikes in video games affect different players in different ways. EarlyGameHell operates on the same principle as DifficultySpike in that it involves the game's difficulty changing as the game progresses, except instead of the game getting harder at a certain point, the game starts out hard due to the player character being weaker (such as having lower stats or lacking good equipment), and gets easier as the player character gets stronger. How the change in difficulty affects a given player will depend on their level of experience with the game, the series, or the game's genre as a whole. In addition, the name already sounds subjective in describing the early parts of the game as hellish. * |
| 262 | * FanDisillusionment: Fan reaction. |
| 263 | * FandomLifeCycle: Classified as Trivia, despite being about the status of ''fandoms'' and thus an AudienceReaction. * |
| 264 | * FanCommunityNickname: Classified as trivia despite actually describing fan reactions. Often misused for ''derogatory'' nicknames, with FanNickname's DetractorNickname redirect being cut because it was used to cover this form of misuse. * |
| 265 | * FashionDissonance: This is essentially a fashion-specific version of UnintentionalPeriodPiece, which is now YMMV. Also the "Dissonance" part of the name means there is percived clashing, which means it is an Audience Reaction. * |
| 266 | * FourMoreMeasures: "A song's lyrics start earlier than people expect them to" is definitely something the audience does, not the song. * |
| 267 | * GodNeverSaidThat: Refers to statements that are falsely claimed to be WordOfGod by people who had nothing to do with the work's creation, yet it's classified as Trivia and not YMMV. Its supertrope, CommonKnowledge, is already YMMV. * |
| 268 | * GrandfatherClause: Is about audiences accepting something, simply because it's expected to be there, even though it should cause some issues like {{Narm}} or ValuesDissonance, which is an audience reaction, with some examples covering audiences [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks reacting negatively to the element being changed]]. Many examples are about how ''if'' a recent work did similar things, it would be criticized, which is speculation. For even more subjectivity, some examples still had people complaining about something enough for it to be changed or removed anyway. Some examples are objective, so a split between a YMMV "audiences accept something that they'd complain about if it wasn't tradition for this series", "author keeps something because it's always been there even though they can now change it", and the clause applying to in-universe concepts might be needed. * |
| 269 | * Both IconicItem and IconicOutfit specifically describe audiences associating a specific accessory or outfit with a character. They also have the standard ZCE problem most appearance tropes have. * |
| 270 | * IconicSequelCharacter: Clearly an audience reaction (it's even on the YMMV index UnexpectedReactionsToThisIndex) but isn't tagged as YMMV. * |
| 271 | * InterruptingMeme: A subtrope of the YMMV MemeticMutation, meaning it's about something that happens outside of the work itself, but it's classified as objective for some reason. Most of the examples are pretty badly written as well. * |
| 272 | * JustEatGilligan: Noticing a method by which a work's conflict ''could'' be resolved much faster is something the audience does, not the work. It also has a tendency to cause a lot of debates on whether or not a suggested solution would in fact work or occur to the characters. Also, as chronicled [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16569657320A27066000&page=1#comment-2 here]], the description seems to have mutated over time to the point of giving the impression it's about a specific ''character'', suggesting the name may be misleading as well. * |
| 273 | * KillerApp: As stated in the description, this is software that is ''considered'' a must-own for its platform, thus making it a matter of opinion as to whether a given piece of software counts, but it's classified as Trivia and not YMMV. * |
| 274 | * Level1MusicRepresents: Seeing the first level's music as the game's main theme (displacing the title screen's music in the process) is squarely an AudienceReaction, even in cases where later installments officially ascend the level 1 theme to main theme (as this is simply a response to the audience reaction). Even the page's own description acknowledges this as an audience driven process: "After all, chances are that people will spend more time on the first level learning the ropes rather than admiring the title screen". * |
| 275 | * LoudnessWar: How listeners are affected by the loudness war is subjective (in particular, how the music in question sounds to them, and how audiophiles avoid it), to the point that there's a subpage called LoudnessWar/TheWorstOffenders that lacks objectivity in terms of how examples are presented. * |
| 276 | * MagnumOpusDissonance: The definition involves a clash of opinions between creator and audience, but is Trivia for some reason. Already on a couple YMMV-specific indices, indicating a misplaced page type. * |
| 277 | * {{Metagame}}: A term for players adjusting their behavior in multiplayer video games in response to other players' behavior * |
| 278 | * ModernMinstrelsy: Seems to focus more on audiences perceive a show as minstrelry, regardless of whether that's the intent. Also seems to be a complaining magnet. * |
| 279 | * MoralGuardians: Classed as an in-universe trope, but most examples on work pages document audience reactions, which should be YMMV. * |
| 280 | * MultipleDemographicAppeal: Makes a statement about how the audience enjoys the work, not something that happens in the work itself. * |
| 281 | * NeverAcceptedInHisHometown: The concept (someone being popular pretty much everywhere except where they're from) is related to GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff and AmericansHateTingle, in that it involves differing acceptance in different parts of the world, and has enough Real Life examples listed to have a subpage for them, but it's not classified as YMMV. An alternative to making it YMMV would be making it IUEO and spinning out-of-universe examples off into a separate AudienceReaction, similarly to how out-of-universe examples of DeadArtistsAreBetter (which is listed as a related trope) were spun off into PosthumousPopularityPotential. * |
| 282 | * TheNewRockAndRoll: It is neither marked as YMMV or IUEO, which results in both being listed; the on-page examples are written as AudienceReactions, but a lot of wicks have it as InUniverse. * |
| 283 | * ObviousCrossoverMethod: Refers to something in the work that is generally exploited in fan works, which is an AudienceReaction. Indeed, several wicks are on YMMV pages. * |
| 284 | * PlayerTic: A thing a player does in response to the game is obviously not part of the work, but it's classified as objective and not an audience reaction. There ''are'' some examples of games recognizing and acknowledging common player tics, but that's its own trope entirely. * |
| 285 | * PopculturalOsmosis is about audiences knowing about work A not because they've seen it, but because it was referenced in work B -- definitely subjective. * |
| 286 | * PowerupLetdown: It's right there in the name -- the powerup's weakness leaves the player ''feeling let down''. That's a subjective opinion if there ever was one. The equivalent for weapons -- ScrappyWeapon -- is already YMMV. * |
| 287 | * RealityIsUnrealistic: Similarly to AluminumChristmasTrees, this is about what audience members think is unrealistic but isn't, which is by definition subjective. * |
| 288 | * SequenceBreaking: The description explicitly says this is something fans do to games, often going against what the developers intended, making this an Audience Reaction. * |
| 289 | * SeriesFauxnale: Defined as "an episode that feels like the end, and possibly was originally going to be the end.", which sounds a lot like a YMMV (or possibly a Trivia, but that would require a definition change, which would take a bit more work). Perhaps it could be split into two articles--a YMMV page for "feels like the end" and a Trivia page for "meant to be the end". * |
| 290 | * SignatureLine: Most remembered line seems subjective, similar SignatureScene And SignatureSong are YMMV for this reason. On-page examples contain a lot of quotes with no context as well. * |
| 291 | * SleeperHit: Whether a work is successful depends on audience reception, making this an AudienceReaction. AndYouThoughtItWouldFail, which is listed as a subtrope, is already YMMV. * |
| 292 | * TryEverything: "When you don't know what you're supposed to do so you just try literally every possible combination" is a thing the player does, not the game. It's also questionable whether this is a meaningful trope-related concept ''at all'', as virtually every game will have at least one player so confused that they... well, "try everything" until they get the intended outcome. * |
| 293 | * YetAnotherStupidDeath: Seems to focus more on the actions of the player than the mechanics of the game, and how "stupid" a player's action is may be subjective. * |
| 294 | [[/folder]] |
| 295 | |
| 296 | [[folder:Actually Trivia]] |
| 297 | * AbandonedInfoPage: An info page is not part of the work itself. |
| 298 | * AdvertisingByAssociation: One work is promoted based on its connection to another work. Decisions related to advertising do not appear directly in the work itself, so it should be Trivia. |
| 299 | * AllThereInTheManual: This refers to information that is not in the work but is shared in supplementary material. If it's not in the work, it doesn't have any plot significance and fits better under Trivia. |
| 300 | * AscendedMeme: A meme derived from a work later ends up in the work itself. The fact that it started out as just a meme isn't always acknowledged in the work itself. |
| 301 | * AuteurLicense: The page is about instances in which creators are granted perks (such as say in budget, casting, no executive interference or final cut privilege) to make a work however they want. Unless a character who is a creator is granted this in-universe, this is entirely behind-the-scenes information about a work and should be reclassified from a trope to a Trivia page. |
| 302 | * AuthorAppeal: When a certain story aspect is prominent in a work because it's one of the author's personal interests. Just that the creator personally enjoys it does not mean that can be deduced from the story itself, and this tends to involve comparison to their other works that feature the same things. Also, not all examples make it explicit that the creator specifically ''likes'' the recurring element; if it appears for a different reason, it would just be a CreatorThumbprint. (Examples tend to be more obvious when the AuthorAppeal is a sexual fetish, however.) |
| 303 | * AvoidTheDreadedGRating: Content is added to avoid a G rating, because of a perception that the work may be seen as just for kids. This relies on the decisions of the creators and ratings boards, both of which happen behind the scenes, not in the work itself. Many examples don't have proof of being intentional, and come across as speculation. A lot of examples are also inversions, which could use its own trope. |
| 304 | * BalanceBuff: As [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16618925150A45292000&page=1#comment-5 pointed out]], it describes "changes between versions of a product". A Trivia move might be possible, although more might be needed--the mod that pointed this trope out mentioned it might be too common. Check 50 wicks. * |
| 305 | * BeautyInversion: Relies on knowledge of what the actor looks like in real life in comparison to how their character looks in the work. |
| 306 | * CanonMarchesOn: Should be classified as trivia, since "this ExpandedUniverse work is contradicted by a later primary-canon work" is not something that happens in the work. Its fanfic counterpart, OutdatedByCanon, is already Trivia. Speaking of which, there doesn't appear to be a need for separate tropes that cover what is essentially the same phenomenon occurring in either official or fanmade works. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1583030953084853100 A thread regarding the two]] stalled out for lack of activity. * |
| 307 | * CensorDecoy: Like WhatCouldHaveBeen except for removed objects of censorship. |
| 308 | * DatedHistory: It's the same as ScienceMarchesOn or TechnologyMarchesOn but involving history and archaeology, so it should be considered trivia as well. |
| 309 | * DolledUpInstallment: Discusses tidbits about the origins of works before they received the dolled-up treatment. In addition, its supertrope WhatCouldHaveBeen and opposite trope DivorcedInstallment are already trivia. |
| 310 | * DoubleVision: Explains the ways one actor can appear [[ActingForTwo as two people]] onscreen at once, which is behind-the-scenes trivia, not a trope. |
| 311 | * FailedFutureForecast: It's the same as ScienceMarchesOn or TechnologyMarchesOn (and DatedHistory above) but involving history and archaeology, so it should be considered trivia as well. |
| 312 | * FakeFood: Props are used in place of edible food in advertising. This happens behind the scenes and isn't always obvious. |
| 313 | * GameBreakingBug: Coding errors that either crash the game or cause other severe problems are not something that was intentionally put in the work, but rather background information on the work. Unlike GoodBadBugs, players' opinions on these bugs' effects are not taken into account with examples, so it was determined to not be YMMV. |
| 314 | * GenreRelaunch: A once-dead genre makes a comeback. Its inverse, GenreKiller, is already Trivia. |
| 315 | * GetBackInTheCloset: Discusses how MoralGuardians and ratings boards treat same-sex relationships compared to opposite-sex ones, which is a meta concept. |
| 316 | * IJustWriteTheThing: This is about the author's writing process (i.e. that they feel like the story took its own direction without their input) and not exactly about the work itself. |
| 317 | * IWantYouToMeetAnOldFriendOfMine: Although it describes scenes that take place within a work, it points out that the ''reason'' such scenes are notable has all to do with the behind-the-scenes meta aspect. Also the name is unclear as it sounds like an in-universe trope. |
| 318 | * LostInTranslation: Something being lost in a translation of a work refers to the absence of something rather than anything that appears, which means it relies on comparison with the work's original language. It is also usually unintentional, which makes it not a trope. |
| 319 | * ManOfAThousandFaces: An actor plays roles so dissimilar to each other that the actor isn't always recognizable, which is a meta concept whose examples always apply to more than one work. This already has an in-universe equivalent in MasterOfDisguise. |
| 320 | * ManOfAThousandVoices: A voice actor voices different characters in very different ways, which is a meta concept whose examples can involve multiple works. The main page is also sorted by language instead of by medium, further showing that it's a meta concept and not an in-universe one. ActingForTwo, which refers to an actor playing multiple characters in one work and can thus overlap with ManOfAThousandVoices, is already Trivia. |
| 321 | * MarketBasedTitle: About titles being changed in international versions, which isn't something that appears in the story, and CompletelyDifferentTitle (with which MarketBasedTitle often overlaps) is already listed as Trivia. |
| 322 | * MerchandiseDriven: Relies on knowing external media tying into the work, and at least some knowledge of its creation behind-the-scenes. It's already [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/relatedsearch.php?term=Main/MerchandiseDriven wicked on 69 Trivia pages]], and other tropes about merchandising like KidsMealToy, EarlyDraftTieIn, and TheMerch are already Trivia. |
| 323 | * MidseasonReplacement: Refers to network programming decisions, not anything related to the content of the work. |
| 324 | * NonActorVehicle: Relies on knowledge of what the actor has done previously, and isn't related to what their role is in-story. |
| 325 | * OffTheShelfFX: Lists visual effects in works that were made using common household items. It's currently listed as a trope but, unless it's commented on or done with a ShowWithinAShow, all examples should be trivia instead. |
| 326 | * ProtectionFromEditors: An author is exempt from editing and criticism. Related to ExecutiveMeddling (which is when authors ''aren't'' exempt), which is Trivia. Currently classified as YMMV, but multiple tropers were in favor of moving it to Trivia before the Trivia thread was closed. |
| 327 | * RecycledSoundtrack: One work's soundtrack is reused in at least one other work. Similarly to PropRecycling, which is Trivia and involves props being reused, this is background information that requires comparisons between multiple works. |
| 328 | * RealSoonNow: An unreleased work isn't given a clear-cut release date, which is a meta concept and not something from within the work. {{Vaporware}}, which is a related concept, is already Trivia. |
| 329 | * RegionalBonus: A meta concept that involves comparing the differences between international releases of works and the original releases, which may not be noticeable to someone who's only familiar with their region's release. 23 out of 347 wicks are already on Trivia subpages, indicating that some tropers already think it's Trivia. |
| 330 | * RevisedEnding: A work's ending is changed before being released to the general public, which is a behind-the-scenes change. |
| 331 | * ShownTheirWork: A creator doing research for their work is background information, not something that appears directly in the work as opposed to merely affecting what's in it. AccidentallyCorrectWriting, which refers to when something is factually correct without actually being researched, is already Trivia. It also tends to be used as simply "shown their ''knowledge''", as in creators simply depicting something accurately, without stating that they specifically researched it (as the creators may have known that thing already). |
| 332 | * SideStoryBonusArt: The description itself states that it is side art made unrelated to the main work. StaffCreatedFanWork, a similar trope, is already Trivia. |
| 333 | * SignificantDoubleCasting: A trope about two characters who share an actor due to thematic/story reasons. The broader trope, ActingForTwo, is already Trivia. |
| 334 | * SincerestFormOfFlattery: A subtrope of FollowTheLeader that features WordOfGod acknowledgment. Both FollowTheLeader and WordOfGod are already Trivia. |
| 335 | * ToylineExclusiveCharacter: A character only appearing in a work's toyline, thus it requires meta knowledge of external merchandise. It's already on the Trivia page for ''Series/PowerRangersDinoThunder'', a work that is also its page image. |
| 336 | * UniverseBible: A set of guidelines the creators use when making the work. Said guidelines are not normally publicly accessible and are only used behind the scenes. |
| 337 | * VisibleBoomMic: Strangely classified under "camera tricks", this is not a trope but rather a production error. This makes it a subtrope of {{Blooper}}, which is already Trivia. If it occurs deliberately, it’s covered by StylisticSuck. |
| 338 | [[/folder]] |
| 339 | |
| 340 | [[folder:Classified as Trivia, but shouldn't be]] |
| 341 | * DyeHard: Many on-page examples and off-page examples pertain to fictional characters known for dying their hair, not just creators. Additionally, the mere idea of someone dying their hair might [[Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs not be tropeworthy]], and could be split into more meaningful tropes to be more significant for both fictional and real-life examples. * |
| 342 | * RealSongThemeTune: A subtrope of ThemeTune that involves an existing song. ThemeTune is not trivia, and a RealSongThemeTune appears directly in the work itself. * |
| 343 | * RecycledTheSeries: An initially standalone work spawns a full series derived from said standalone work. This is the inverse of TheMovie, which is not trivia. * |
| 344 | * SpinOffCookbook: A tie-in book to a work with recipes to the food that appeared in it is usually a form of ContinuityPorn, which is objective. The description also mentions that the cookbook is often in-universe; even examples of books that aren't are usually written by work's food stylist, who would be a TechnicalAdvisor. Mere spin-off cookbooks' existence a la LiveOnStage isn't exactly noteworthy for these reasons, so it's likely worth redefining. * |
| 345 | [[/folder]] |
| 346 | |
| 347 | [[folder:Redundant / Overlaps with another trope]] |
| 348 | * AllForNothing and ShaggyDogStory both seem to be about the heroes' effort being moot at the end of the story. * |
| 349 | * AnimeAccentAbsence is NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent [[Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific for Japanese works]]. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16648714380A41558400&page=1#comment-1 Discussed here.]] |
| 350 | * BabyCarriage, FruitCart, and SheetOfGlass: At the [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1452588544032713000 TRS thread]] that cut CardboardBoxes and created the ChaseSceneObstacleCourse supertrope, it was pointed out that these three tropes serve essentially the same narrative purpose (obstacles that are frequently smashed in chase scenes), in addition to having overly broad names that sound like Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs. * |
| 351 | * BeenThereShapedHistory and RealEventFictionalCause are both about fictional characters causing real events. The latter's name is more clear. * |
| 352 | * BluntMetaphorsTrauma appears to be the same thing as {{Malaproper}}. Several examples (including the page quote for the former) are on both pages, and the description doesn't indicate what (if anything) the difference is. * |
| 353 | * BonusLevelOfHeaven: It is unclear how this is supposed to be distinct from FluffyCloudHeaven. Is it the same but restricted to video games? Is it a subtrope where you actually attack heaven, as opposed to just being there? Is it, as the image suggests, any level ''named'' heaven? Or maybe we should merge the two. It's worth noting that [[ArtifactTitle its title]] is a {{snowclone}} of "Bonus Level of Hell", an old title for BrutalBonusLevel, and that the description mentioning that this is specifically for {{Bonus Dungeon}}s (despite many examples, including the page image, being about Heaven as a general {{Video Game Setting|s}}) is probably a holdover from that. * |
| 354 | * CantUnHearIt: This is AudienceColoringAdaptation but specific to character voices, a distinction that has no separate meaning. Also tends to attract Administrivia/ZeroContextExamples. * |
| 355 | * CatchPhraseSpoutingDuo: Poorly-defined trope with ZCE problems; doesn't sound distinct enough from TotallyRadical or ThoseTwoGuys. * |
| 356 | * CharlieBrownFromOuttaTown: Basically PaperThinDisguise [[Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific But For Pro Wrestlers]], relatively obscure name, and frequent misuse in non-pro wrestling media. * |
| 357 | * TheChewToy: Suspected of being redundant with ButtMonkey, with the main difference being how the audience sees them (and this trope isn't YMMV either). [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1426750858042389600&page=155#comment-3853 A couple of comments on the meta thread identified this problem.]] * |
| 358 | * TheCommissionerGordon is FriendOnTheForce [[Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific But For Superheroes]]. It also has issues with Administrivia/TropeNamerSyndrome. * |
| 359 | * ContinuitySnarl and SeriesContinuityError -- Snarl is clearly meant to be for "bigger" continuity issues, but the boundary between the two is not well defined. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15895515620A81536500 Trope Talk thread]]. * |
| 360 | * DaddysLittleVillain is supposed to be the DistaffCounterpart to OverlordJr, but the basic attributes are not gender-specific, and neither are the titles. * |
| 361 | * DeadFic's only distinction from OrphanedSeries seems to be being about fanfiction, which is not typically considered a true trope distinction. * |
| 362 | * DefangedHorrors and SpookyKidsMedia: An [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16768473370.07426600&page=1#comment-7 Image Pickin' thread]] for the former found both tropes to be covering the same genre of kid-friendly {{Horror}} that tones down the more graphic and disturbing elements. * |
| 363 | * EngagingChevrons: The wick count is fairly low and the name is fandom-specific, and the general concept is already covered by {{Padding}}, which has a significantly higher wick count and a clear name. * |
| 364 | * EpistolaryNovel isn't significantly different from ScrapbookStory to justify having a separate trope. ScrapbookStory should be kept since it's older and has about a hundred more wicks, plus has a less-limiting name (someone might think EpistolaryNovel only applies to novels). * |
| 365 | * EvenTheGirlsWantHer and EvenTheGuysWantHim have basically identical definitions, except that one is a girl who attracts girls and the other is a guy who attracts guys. Both tropes overlap with ChickMagnet, OnlyHasSameSexAdmirers and StupidSexyFlanders with the description being about a character who attracts sexual/romantic interest from other characters regardless of gender. * |
| 366 | * {{Expy}}: Supposedly, a character can be an {{Expy}} of another in the same franchise, which creates overlap with SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute, and neither trope's article clears up what the exact distinction is between both situations. Either {{Expy}} should be redefined to apply only when the character being copied and the character doing the copying are from completely separate works, leaving a same franchise copy to simply go under SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute; or a very clear distinction must be established (and added to both trope articles) between when exactly a character is a same franchise {{Expy}} and when exactly they are a SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute. * |
| 367 | * FacialMarkings: Current description overlaps with MarkOfTheSupernatural and most examples are just "character has a mark on the face" regardless of it meaning they're special somehow. * |
| 368 | * FallenHero: Brought up in [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1590293785059243700 this declined thread]], This us either the same as or a [[Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific Same But More Specific]] version FaceHeelTurn, as both tropes concern heroes becoming villains. * |
| 369 | * FalseStart: The trope is "a character tries to confess, but doesn't go through with it". The concepts in the trope are basically the same as those covered by InterruptedDeclarationOfLove, AbortedDeclarationOfLove and/or MomentKiller. |
| 370 | * FiveManBandConcert: Considering that the trope is just "main characters are in a band", it may be redundant with tropes such as BandEpisode. Update: After all of the examples were crosswicked, it was found that the character music band can perform InUniverse (which would be a Band Episode) (16/40), in [[AllThereInTheManual supplementary material]] (11/40), and in the music videos of {{Theme Tune}}s (7/40). Or it can be the fictional work's premise (5/40). Plus one example where the characters having a band is more like an InformedAbility. So the in-universe examples would better go in Band Episode to avoid redundancy. |
| 371 | * ForgotFlandersCouldDoThat: An obscure title, and the trope itself is problematic as just being "a character did something they originally did before", and appears redundant to CharacterCheck. Discussed [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1582887315098930400 here]]. * |
| 372 | * FromNewYorkToNowhere is superfluous to TheCityVsTheCountry and CityMouse and CountryMouse. It tries to set itself apart by claiming that it only applies if the city is portrayed as inherently superior to the countryside, but TheCityVsTheCountry includes such depictions anyway. * |
| 373 | * FuroScene is "BathtubScene in a Japanese bath". * |
| 374 | * HairAntennae: Overlaps with IdiotHair and doesn't have real description to set them apart except that it's two strands of hair that stick up from the top of the head instead of just one. * |
| 375 | * HollywoodActionHero not only has examples with no context, but the concept also overlaps with TheAhnold. * |
| 376 | * It is unclear how, or if, HollywoodLaw is distinct from ArtisticLicenseLaw. Both tropes are about inaccurate portrayals of legal processes. * |
| 377 | * HollywoodMedievalJapan is covered by {{Wutai}}, InterchangeableAsianCultures, JidaiGeki, and possibly {{Animeland}}. Despite supposedly being about western portrayals of Medieval Japan, few examples are simultaneously western, inaccurate, and actually set in Medieval Japan. * |
| 378 | * TheIdiotFromOsaka: Seems to be HalfWittedHillbilly, [[Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific but for Japan]]; the trope description outright admits that there's major overlap. Should probably be merged. * |
| 379 | * InsecurityCamera and UselessSecurityCamera are both about security cameras not capturing footage of things. In theory Insecurity Camera attributes the failure to inbuilt features of the camera while Useless Security Camera is about the camera malfunctioning, but in practice the causes overlap enough that the tropes would be better off merged. * |
| 380 | * KungFuWizard: Overlaps too strongly with SupernaturalMartialArts and possibly other tropes. * |
| 381 | * LeavingAudience: Covered by the wick-healthier WalkingOutOnTheShow, the latter of which has a better name, too. * |
| 382 | * LethalHarmlessPowers is basically just HeartIsAnAwesomePower but with a [[Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific more specific]] focus on the power's applications being deadly. On the Playing With pages for both tropes, Heart Is An Awesome Power is described as "A power which seems weak at first glance, until you consider the creative applications of it," while Lethal Harmless Powers is "A power that's seemingly harmless turns out to have deadly applications." Additionally, LHP only has about 300 wicks while HIAAP has around 2200. |
| 383 | * LongBusTrip is Administrivia/TheSameButMore to PutOnABus, in that the latter is when a character is explicitly written out of the series with a logical way to return, and the former concerns a character who is explicitly written out with a logical way to return, but never comes back. Many examples are also duplicates. * |
| 384 | * MarathonBoss has, by its own definition, 100% overlap with SequentialBoss and DamageSpongeBoss. That is, all "bosses that take a long time" (marathon) either have lots of phases (sequential) or lots of health (sponge) or both. Some examples are "it's not a boss but it takes a long time anyway", which is misuse. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1603097667042223100 Wick check here]]; I'm not seeing the point of having one parent trope that has only ''two'' subtropes, and has 100% overlap with the subtropes. * |
| 385 | * MechanicallyUnusualFighter and MechanicallyUnusualClass: The two tropes seem to be entirely interchangeable, with the only difference being the former is "for fighting games" and the latter "is for [=RPGs=]". The application is inconsistent, with games of the same genre sometimes being arbitrarily split between the two. If the latter is meant to be for classes only and is being heavily misused, that distinction still seems meaningless and sometimes blurry. * |
| 386 | * ModelSheet: Currently on Administrivia/DefinitionOnlyPages due to a lack of examples and wicks, it cannot be verified within the work itself. When it can be seen (as unlockable content or separate purchases), this overlaps with ConceptArt and ConceptArtGallery. * |
| 387 | * MusicVideoOvershadowing: This seems to be "LyricsVideoMismatch ''but worse!''"; both are about a music video telling a story that conflicts with the song's lyrics, and the only apparent difference is in MVO, the video's story "overshadows" the lyrics -- which is subjective anyway. * |
| 388 | * NoImmortalInertia overlaps a lot with RapidAging. There should be a discussion on what, exactly, the difference is supposed to be, and either clean up examples or merge the two. The title is also a snowclone of NoOntologicalInertia. * |
| 389 | * NonLethalKO and OnlyMostlyDead seem to be pointing at the same "video game KO status" concept, with the only confirmable distinction being whether the game calls it "KO" or "dead", except that OnlyMostlyDead can be used outside of video games, somehow? [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15186611420A39555800&page=25#comment-625 Duplicate tropes thread]] * |
| 390 | * NoOneShouldSurviveThat: Overlap with NooneCouldSurviveThat -- both tropes concern characters surviving lethal situations. Also a stock phrase. * |
| 391 | * NotAllowedToGrowUp is the essentially same trope as ComicBookTime, except that it requires the character who doesn't age to be a kid, which is Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific. * |
| 392 | * OjouRinglets: Overlaps with RegalRinglets. Both tropes are about a high-class female character with curled locks of hair. The only detail setting OjouRinglets apart is that they're placed in front of the ears, which may not be enough to make it a separate subtrope. A significant number of examples of the two tropes look identical as well. * |
| 393 | * OurTimeMachineIsDifferent is the same thing as TimeMachine, being about plot-relevant time travel devices. The better description is on TM, along with over 800 wicks. OTMID only has about 80 wicks. The respective pages don't even seem to be aware that the other page exists. * |
| 394 | * {{Overdrive}} appears to be the exact same thing as NitroBoost, i.e. a temporary resource that makes vehicles go faster. Neither page mentions a clear distinction between the two. * |
| 395 | * PinocchioNose and YouCanAlwaysTellALiar seem to be pointing at the same "person has a 'tell' for when they're lying" concept. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15186611420A39555800&page=24#comment-578 Duplicate tropes thread.]] * |
| 396 | * PotteryBarnPoor: Already covered by InformedPoverty. * |
| 397 | * PrematurelyGreyHaired: Most examples overlap with DiseaseBleach and LockedIntoStrangeness as they focus on describing the life-changing event that changed the hair color instead of the character's young age for having grey hair. * |
| 398 | * QueerCharacterQueerActor: Since to the breadth of the LGBT+ spectrum, there exist on-page examples--such as the case of a gay character played by a nonbinary actor--that, while conforming with the letter of the trope description (which means they cannot be removed since they're not misuse based on current definition), they might not be in the spirit of the trope (which is agreed to be similar to DisabledCharacterDisabledActor). Discussed in [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16674959910A87404700 this]] Trope Talk thread, including an unofficial wick check. (Is an official wick check needed to open a thread on this?) |
| 399 | * RamblingOldManMonologue is the exact same thing as OldWindbag. The former has more wicks, but the latter has a better name, since it's gender-neutral and more clearly indicates that it's a character trope. * |
| 400 | * RandomPowerRanking is PowerLevels except with categories instead of numbers. It's not clear how that distinction is enough to justify two tropes. RandomPowerRanking is also misused for power ranks that are in fact random (e.g. trading cards that assign entirely arbitrary numbers to the characters depicted, with no basis from the fiction itself). * |
| 401 | * DarthWiki/RuinedForever: It's been pointed out [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13327578050A72722200&page=110#comment-2731 in the complaining cleanup thread]] that it's often used as a less strict version of DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck, since you don't have to sign your entries, can add as many examples as you want, and are encouraged to write in a completely emotional tone with no attempt at objectivity. In addition, [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1335279753003398100 a 2012 TRS thread]] raised concerns that it's redundant with FanDumb and TheyChangedItNowItSucks. The former Darth Wiki page Wall Bangers was sent to the Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub exactly because "DMOS but with less restrictions" was redundant and allowed unrestrained complaining. * |
| 402 | * ScrappyWeapon: A subtype of LowTierLetdown of dubious usefulness -- both cover stuff disliked for being weak or awkward to use, and the only distinction seems to be "is it a character or something else?" with "Scrappy Weapon" having a surprisingly wide definition. The high-tier equivalent, HighTierScrappy, has no such distinction. * |
| 403 | * ShieldedCoreBoss: Having a weakpoint and that weak point being physically different seem different, given talk on the now launched BrokenArmorBossBattle draft. * |
| 404 | * ShortStoryLong: This trope is redundant to PacingProblems, with [-ArcFatigue, EndingFatigue, ExponentialPlotDelay, {{Filler}}, {{Padding}}, ProlongedPrologue, and SlowPacedBeginning-] completely duplicated, and only FakeLongevity, OvertookTheManga, TrilogyCreep, and WritingForTheTrade being separate. That's a ratio of 7:11 tropes that are already present. OvertookTheManga isn't even about a short plot taking longer to finish (It can cause a GeckoEnding instead), WritingForTheTrade would actually be a better fit for Pacing Problems as it isn't about extending a shorter plotline, but about how different formats can cause pacing problems even when the story is exactly the same. What's more, the wicks from work pages generally indicate ways in which characters make stories take longer by padding it out within the work, not ways in which the work added elements to divert from the plot. * |
| 405 | * {{Shorttank}}: According to description, it's a somewhat girly tomboy protagonist wearing a tank top and shorts/miniskirt. Overlaps with TankTopTomboy and TomboyWithAGirlyStreak. Nearly all examples look heavily misused or with zero context. * |
| 406 | * SmartAnimalInconvenientInstincts: Redundancy with MyInstinctsAreShowing are questioned, plus stealth-launched by its sponsor in 2020. |
| 407 | * SpectacularSpinning: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1426750858042389600&page=189#comment-4725 This comment]] indicated that most valid examples of this trope are redundant with SpinAttack. A conversion from a trope + index to just an index may be needed. 50 wicks need checking. * |
| 408 | * SpikyHair: Overlaps with AnimeHair and ShonenHair. Examples are just "characters with spiky hair". * |
| 409 | * StakingTheLovedOne: It's a case of Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific in regard to TragicMonster. The latter is about one of the hero's loved ones being turned into a monster with no means to change them back. The former is the exact same scenario but with revenge added to the mix, i.e., a villain converting the said loved one into a monster to get back at the hero. This [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=x3x784c5l0w5ttrsayludygr very old thread]] brought the topic mostly agreed that merging was necessary. * |
| 410 | * TakeThatIndex: Could definitely be included into TakeThat (much like it was done with the former index "Heroic Sacrifices" which was incorporated into HeroicSacrifice) and TakeThat be made into an index alongside the existing pages. * |
| 411 | * VideoGameFlamethrowersSuck is ScrappyWeapon, except that it's restricted to flamethrowers. Additionally, its name is a bad snowclone of VideoGameMoviesSuck. * |
| 412 | * ThisIsWrongOnSoManyLevels: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15186611420A39555800&page=38#comment-946 Redundant]] to SickAndWrong, and a stock phrase to boot. * |
| 413 | * TheWallAroundTheWorld and CityInABottle: TWATW describes "a barrier that completely isolates a civilization from the outside," while CIAB is "a civilization that is completely isolated from the outside". As the former is not limited to literal walls but includes any kind of fully isolating barrier, it appears to be a necessary part of the latter that would be redundant to trope separately. Any examples of literal walls that ''don't'' create a CIAB are likely covered under TheGreatWall (wall to keep something ''out'') or WallsOfTyranny (wall to keep you ''in''). * |
| 414 | * WordOfDante: Attempts to be a sister trope to WordOfGod and WordOfSaintPaul, the difference being that this one focuses on statements spread by specific individuals not involved in the work's creation. However, most examples are indistinguishable from CommonKnowledge, {{Fanon}}, and AudienceColoringAdaptation. * |
| 415 | [[/folder]] |
| 416 | |
| 417 | [[folder:People Sit on Chairs/Really a Useful Note or Media Note]] |
| 418 | * AnywhereButTheirLips: Seems to be defined as just "kisses somewhere other than the lips"; described and named in such a way that suggests there's supposed to be some kind of context for why they're actively avoiding the lips but doesn't explain what this context ''is''. * |
| 419 | * {{Auction}}: Has a similar problem to {{Will}}, which was replaced by a disambiguation pointing to [[WillAndInheritanceTropes an index]]: "auctions happen" is not really a trope, but several better-defined subtropes are already listed, and some of the examples here hint at other potential auction-related tropes. * |
| 420 | * BackThatLightUp: The page has more to do with game console technology than game mechanics or storytelling, so it would probably work better as a Useful Note. * |
| 421 | * TheBartender: Seems to be currently defined as 'Bartenders exist'. Could possibly be redefined as being about more stereotypical depictions of them. [[Sandbox/TheBartenderWickCheck Has a wick check here]]. |
| 422 | * {{Bouncer}}: Currently just means "bouncers exist" and could be redefined to be about more stereotypical depictions of them. Wick check is [[Sandbox/BouncerWickCheck here]]. |
| 423 | * BuryYourDisabled: Current definition is "disabled character dies", when the definition should be more specific akin to BuryYourGays (Which is when LGBT characters is specifically targeted for death). Many examples just mention disabled characters dying without much else, reflecting the current definition. |
| 424 | * TheCasino: Is just "casinos exist" / "a character goes to a casino", there are a few potentially salvagable ideas. ([[Sandbox/TheCasinoWickCheck wick check]]) |
| 425 | * CoolHelmet: "Character wears a helmet with a cool design" doesn't seem very tropeworthy, unless changes are made. There are several ZCE examples that don't mention what makes the helmet cool and special. * |
| 426 | * CountryMatters: Seems unclear if it's just about the word "cunt" being used for impact, or about how it has different amounts of impact in different countries. If it's the latter, it could be a Useful Note. [[Sandbox.CountryMattersWickCheck Wick check here.]] |
| 427 | * {{Demoscene}}: Refers to a software development subculture instead of a trope, so UsefulNotes would be a better fit for it. Such a move was previously suggested, but the thread clocked out with no action being taken. * |
| 428 | * DiningInTheBuff: Page doesn't cite any narrative significance for someone dining naked, and most of the examples are just "a character does this". * |
| 429 | * DuctTapeForEverything: As currently defined, it seems to be about ''any'' use of duct tape. Should be restricted to "unusual" cases in order to be tropeworthy. * |
| 430 | * DVDCommentary: As it stands, this is just "DVD commentaries exist", with most examples not even explaining what the creators discuss in said commentary. * |
| 431 | * EarTrumpet: Currently, it's just "ear trumpets exist". It's implied that this is a sort of gag but that may be redundant with ICantHearYou. A lot of examples are specifically about hearing loss being used to characterize the elderly, which could be made a separate trope. * |
| 432 | * EveryYearTheyFizzleOut: The idea is based on something that happens in ''non-scripted'' sporting events, with very few fictional examples. No real explanation is given for the narrative purpose of the event. * |
| 433 | * FlyoverCountry: Writeup appears to be intended for UsefulNotes, including a lack of on-page examples. No elaboration on its tropeworthiness is given. * |
| 434 | * ForeheadOfDoom: "Characters with a big forehead" doesn't seem much like a trope and the description is not even clear on how big the forehead has to be to count. * |
| 435 | * FoulFox: Has the standard issue of "attribute + another attribute = trope," but is particularly notable because it directly contradicts the actual trope CunningLikeAFox, which explicitly states that foxes don't have an associated morality. * |
| 436 | * FourEyesZeroSoul: The description implies that the trope is supposed to give off the impression that the "zero soul" is symbolized by the villain's eyes being hidden behind glasses. However, most examples are just "villain wears glasses" without any further significance. * |
| 437 | * FriendingNetwork: Apparently created mainly to index social media websites, which are not tropeworthy as such (though some have doubled as hosts for notable original content). It might work better as a Useful Note describing these sites more generally, though it would need to be thoroughly rewritten. * |
| 438 | * {{Fundoshi}}: Definition is pretty much just "Japanese style of men's loincloth" and nearly all examples are just a character that wears a fundoshi as underwear/swimwear without going into detail of what traits it's meant to be related to. * |
| 439 | * GiantPoofySleeves: Basically just "character wears poofy sleeves" based on description and examples. * |
| 440 | * GimmickMatches: Basically just lists the different match types in ProfessionalWrestling, although it does list some InUniverse examples. * |
| 441 | * HairIntakes: Hairstyles with little "hoods" doesn't sound like a trope and most examples are ZCE anyway. * |
| 442 | * HealingLoop: The concept of "an enemy hits you after you heal, forcing you to heal again and getting you stuck in a damage-heal loop" [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15186611420A39555800&page=28#comment-679 might not be a trope]]. * |
| 443 | * IWantYouToMeetAnOldFriendOfMine: Tends to be used solely to shoehorn any work that had one or more of its actors going on to bigger and more popular franchises, similar to how JustForFun/RoleAssociation was when it was known as "Hey, It's That Guy!" and "Hey, It's That Voice!". * |
| 444 | * InformedJudaism: A character is Jewish, but it has little to no relevance to the plot. This implies that the Jewish character ''should'' be made more obviously Jewish; it's not really made clear why, however, and there aren't any such tropes for other races/religions. Has a wick check [[Sandbox/InformedJudaismWickCheck here]]. |
| 445 | * ItsLikeIAlwaysSay: Documents instances of a stock phrase. * |
| 446 | * {{Jaccuse}}: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1426750858042389600&page=213#comment-5303 Noted]] as being a list of uses of this as a stock phrase in fiction. Check all 38 wicks. * |
| 447 | * JuniorHigh: Not a trope, but rather a useful notes page (or perhaps something that should be merged/redirected/cut). The issue with the page is that it largely serves to explain how in many countries, "junior high" is the same thing as "high school"; and in fiction this applies as well, so high school tropes are the same as junior high tropes. * |
| 448 | * LikeIsLikeAComma: The page looks like just a list of people who say "like" a lot, with no defined narrative purpose for doing so. May be redundant with VerbalTic. * |
| 449 | * ManInAKilt: Just about men wearing kilts regardless of how this is referenced in-story. * |
| 450 | * TheMaster: This is a list of characters named "the master." That is not a trope; it is a list of unrelated things that happen to have the same name. * |
| 451 | * MultigenerationalHousehold: "Two or more adult generations share the same living unit" is actually a fairly normal family structure for many people around the world, and most examples have little context other than "children live with their parents and grandparents". * |
| 452 | * MusicAtSportingEvents: The 10-or-so media examples are chairsy. The rest of the page is a very long and nattery real life section. Sponsor of the YKTTW mused that it could be launched as UN but apparently didn't (even if it did, it would be bad). * |
| 453 | * MysteriousMiddleInitial: The trope is just "character has a middle initial of unknown meaning" instead of focusing on the significance of the middle initial. The majority of examples are ZCE. * |
| 454 | * NoNeckChump: Just a list of characters with no visible neck, without any significance behind being depicted as such. * |
| 455 | * OuijaBoard: Ouija boards being used to contact ghosts and "Ouija boards used for horror/to cause mayhem" are obvious tropes, but as is, it's just "Ouija boards exist", and the description reads like a Useful Note. * |
| 456 | * PublicDomain: A lack of copyright isn't really a trope, but it's still useful information to have on TV Tropes since the wiki has plenty of pages for works whose copyright has expired, along with some of the images that were chosen by Administrivia/ImagePickin not being copyrighted. Thus, it would probably be better suited to UsefulNotes than Main. Note that, if the page ''is'' moved to UsefulNotes, then it would need to be expanded and/or rewritten because it primarily focuses on American copyright law and doesn't sufficiently discuss MediaNotes/FairUse. * |
| 457 | * SailorFuku: Stock anime outfit filled with zero-context examples that basically boil it down to "person wears a sailor fuku", which isn't tropeworthy. * |
| 458 | * ShrinesAndTemples: Basically just seems to be "Asian Shrines exist" based on description and examples. Probably could be split into multiple tropes: an Asian equivalent of BloodstainedGlassWindows for battles at a temple, and perhaps one for shrines having magical effects. * |
| 459 | * SniperRifle: Seems to just be "sniper rifles exist". Check 50 wicks. * |
| 460 | * StraightGay: A gay character is not given stereotypically gay traits. This may or may not be plot-relevant, depending on the work. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1498245456022447200 A previous thread]] (which closed without consensus) had the suggestion that this should focus on instances where the trope is remarked on in-universe, particularly where the character's homosexuality is seen a surprise. * |
| 461 | * ToothStrip: Defined as "a character's teeth is drawn as a solid strip of white", thing is, this is the ''standard way of simplifying teeth'' in the vast majority of artstyles, because detailed teeth are often seen as creepy when not on a realistic human. Also, unlike tropes like FourFingeredHands and BigAnimeEyes, there doesn't seem to be any major instances of the trope being disscussed or lampshaded in fiction. As such, most examples see to just amount to "this show/comic/artist draws simplified teeth". * |
| 462 | * TeruTeruBozu: Defined as essentially "any instance of a Teru Teru Bōzu in fiction", which isn't all that noteworthy (aside from them not often showing up in fiction). * |
| 463 | * TwelveEpisodeAnime: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16520604110A09304700 This Trope Talk thread]] (and an ATT it continued from) discovered that the page is written more like a UsefulNotes page than a trope, and is possibly chairs as well due to the concept being far more common now than in the past. Several tropers in the thread have already expressed a desire to move it to UsefulNotes or make it an index or Definition-Only. Attraction of [=ZCEs=] was also noted. If wick checked, 50 wicks need checking. * |
| 464 | * TwoferTokenMinority: Most commonly used as "character belongs to multiple minority groups" regardless of whether their identity is relevant in the story. Sometimes, the character won't even be the ''only'' member of either minority group, making the "token" part of the trope name meaningless. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1526708347099393400 A TRS thread]] from 2018 closed without consensus. * |
| 465 | * TwoFirstNames: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1400444072094234000 A previous TRS thread]] from May 2014 agreed that a character having two first names is Chairs on its own, and proposed replacing it with a Redneck Name NamingConventions trope for stereotypical rural names like Billy Bob, but the thread was locked for inactivity at the beginning of 2016 after the proposed trope wasn't launched (the trope was eventually created under the title HayseedName). * |
| 466 | * V8EngineNoises: Functions primarily as a list of cars with V8 engine sounds that show up in fiction, and little else. While the description leans on being a pseudo-Analysis page, it mentions that these types of noises are often exclusive to the bad guys' cars and suggests that sound approximating where other engines can't do the trick (due to budget issues, smaller engines like the V3, etc) often works better in place of an actual V8 engine, so it's possible that there are bits and pieces of both an unrelated trope and a Useful Notes page that can be condensed directly. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16777244170A60445500&page=41#comment-1015 Commented about in this thread]]. * |
| 467 | * VideoNasties: Describes a list of banned films in the United Kingdom. It’s in Main/ despite seeming more like a Useful Note.* |
| 468 | * VirtualYouTuber: The page is in Main/, yet is formatted with a trope list and a list of some [=VTubers=] and groups. Would it fit better as a Useful Note instead? |
| 469 | * VisualKei: Though in Main/, it's not treated as a trope, as it contains a list of tropes and artists. Curiously, there is a Useful Note page as well. This could call for a merge with that page. |
| 470 | * TheWhiteHouse: Folks in [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1618839930028225400 this thread argued]] that it would be better placed as an UsefulNotes page, but others argued that in its current state it's entirely about fictional depictions. * |
| 471 | [[/folder]] |
| 472 | |
| 473 | [[folder:Murky description/other description issues]] |
| 474 | * AlternateHistoryWank: Complainy WallOfText description about an AlternateHistory author who privileges a certain state by making them more powerful in that timeline. However, the examples are just "X is more powerful than Y in work Z." * |
| 475 | * AnimeThemeSong: Discussed in [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=688#comment-17194 Is This An Example? thread]] because the trope description doesn't explain how to apply the trope properly. There is no clear definition of what AnimeThemeSong is. It is also an example-less page and advises that examples should not even appear on work pages unless they're "noteworthy" or "career-launching"; however, there's no explanation of what counts as "noteworthy". So, the observations about the current content are: it needs to properly explain what "noteworthy" examples are (the original post); it [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=688#comment-17195 needs a trope definition]]; it should be [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=688#comment-17196 made a Useful Notes page]]; it appears to have [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=688#comment-17198 no distinction]] from ThemeTune. Everyone agrees it needs trope repair. * |
| 476 | * CanonDefilement: Its description reads like a list of "Thou Shalt Nots", as if going against a fandom's norms is automatically bad. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13164954120A97000100&page=138#comment-3438 Discussed here]] in the description improvement thread. * |
| 477 | * DarkMessiah: The article uses words like "usually," "may (or may not)," and other similar words/phrases in the description, making exactly what one is ambiguous--or at the very least make this a flexible trope. The diversity in the listed examples adds further confusion on what a dark messiah actually is. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15986010560A88690800 Trope Talk thread here]]. [[Sandbox/DarkMessiahDescriptionCleanUp Description cleanup Sandbox here]]. * |
| 478 | * TheFinickyOne: Has an incredibly bare-bones description. * |
| 479 | * {{Glamour}}: Description should be something that discusses how this is about any spell called a "glamour" because they share similarities, but they're not all the same. Or get a rename and a changed description to fit an idea of OurGlamoursAreDifferent. * |
| 480 | * HopeSpringsEternal: Unclear if it's about a stock message that things will eventually become better, or just about any reference to hope. * |
| 481 | * IAmTheBand: The description is trying to give multiple different definitions for what it means for a musician to "be" their band, ranging from "band member who is very controlling of the others" to "solo artist who can be mistaken for a band". Because of this, most of the on-page examples say nothing more than "Band is Artist". * |
| 482 | * KimonoFanservice: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16848906290A91901700 Has an unclear scope.]] It seems that the intent when the trope was launched was to cover both "kimono played as fetish outfits in the vein of SexilyModest" and "stylized sexy kimono" examples, which is reflected by the page having examples of both types, but the description has a confusing disclaimer that claims it's distinct from kimono being used for fanservice. It's possible that this was added unilaterally -- either way, a wick check needs to be done to define how the trope is actually being used and iron out the description from there. * |
| 483 | * LikeYouWereDying: The trope's laconic and examples seem to indicate the trope is about a person who changes their behaviour because they know that they're dying, but the description states that it has to involve two people, which neither the laconic nor most of the examples mention. |
| 484 | * MetroSpecificUnderworld: Just a list of stereotypes of gangs for specific areas, no explanation of the significance of the trope, and it has a non-standard page format. All of this makes it hard to figure out what the trope is even ''for''. * |
| 485 | * MostFanficWritersAreFans: The description is trying to say why people write fanfiction, but doesn't describe a trope. It's been suggested that it could be moved to the Analysis subpage of {{Fanfic}} instead. * |
| 486 | * NeutronBomb: Cannot decide whether it is a UsefulNotes page or a trope, and whether that trope is "[[ArtisticLicenseNuclearPhysics Neutron bombs being portrayed inaccurately]]", "[[Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs Neutron bombs appear in this work]]", or "[[DepopulationBomb WMDs that kill people but leave structures intact]]". A [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1593452820025784000 TRS thread]] was started, but clocked out due to inactivity and a lack of a wick check. * |
| 487 | * PlayerPunch's description says it's about anything bad happening to a sympathetic character in a video game, or video games using their interactive nature to make the player feel guilty. The former is Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific than GutPunch. * |
| 488 | * PowerCreepPowerSeep: As currently written, this is specific to crossovers. However, the concept it describes (preexisting character's power level is adjusted to match the new work) is more about adaptations in general and has little to do with crossovers specifically. This restriction can probably be removed. * |
| 489 | * PyramidPower is a mixture of "pyramids have a mystical power", "pyramids were built by aliens", "pyramids were built by ''slaves''", and "this work contains a pyramid." The last of these is obviously PSOC, but the trope description is such a mess that it's not clear which of the first three is meant. * |
| 490 | * RevealingCoverup: The lengthy Administrivia/ExampleAsAThesis describes a scenario of "hiding X by taking flashy action Y, which leads directly to the discovery of X", making it unclear whether the trope is "hiding X by taking flashy action Y" or "attempting to hide X leads directly to the discovery of X" -- or if it was legitimately intended to cover the whole scenario, in which case it should probably be split because that is definitely ''two'' tropes, not one. * |
| 491 | * SecondLawOfMetafictionalThermodynamics: The laconic and page quote are "[[CreatorBreakdown if the writer is not feeling well]], the narrative will be fairly destructive". But the description zig-zags between that and what most examples actually are, "if the writer can destroy something, he will do so, and probably in an excessive way". * |
| 492 | * SetTheWorldOnFire: Extremely weak description without a laconic. It merely consists of a 3-sentence paragraph and a single "see also" at the end, making the trope a stub. There is an entry on TLP [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=atcrm9o64yyhszmmz3lqgw5c here]] that works better. * |
| 493 | * SkepticismFailure: The description is very murky. It's confusingly worded, goes off on a tangent in the first couple paragraphs, and seems to be trying to express multiple distinct tropes: "the skeptic in a paranormal series will always be proven wrong" (per the laconic and title), "the skeptic remains skeptical despite massive evidence to the contrary" (per the page image), "skeptics are naive", and "true believers are more common than skeptics in fiction". * |
| 494 | * TextParser: The description is borderline incomprehensible due to its {{self demonstrating|Article}} nature, has [[Administrivia/DefinitionOnlyPages no examples]], and YouCantGetYeFlask could probably be merged into this trope so that it's less about complaining and more about the (relatively) advanced ability of the computer to understand colloquial English. * |
| 495 | * WellDoneSonGuy: The description specifies that the trope title refers to the role model whose approval is being sought, yet the examples, the laconic and Playing With all treat the trope title as referring to the one seeking approval from the role model. * |
| 496 | * YouthIsWastedOnTheDumb: Description is unclear, seems to be "teens pressuring each other into dangerous pranks and other acts", but the examples don't bear this out and the title is way too broad for that. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16207046440A84488100&page=1#comment-1 Trope talk thread]] * |
| 497 | [[/folder]] |
| 498 | |
| 499 | [[folder:Unclear Definition]] |
| 500 | * BadCopIncompetentCop: The description reads as if it is just "all the cops in town are bad or dumb", but can't decide how it's different from TheBadGuysAreCops or PoliceAreUseless which covers both situations. Then it argues that it's just DirtyCop applied to an entire precinct. The Laconic seems to think it's just when the cops are ''both'' Bad and Incompetent. |
| 501 | * BrainlessBeauty: Right now the description reads that it's a subtrope of BeautyIsBad and is about promiscuous idiots using their bodies to get ahead, but later the trope says it's not an evil-aligned trope and a lot of the examples are just dumb attractive people with no morality mentioned.* |
| 502 | * CanOnlyMoveTheEyes: The title sounds like it's about characters literally only being able to move their eyes, but the laconic says it's about characters being conscious while immobilised. The latter is also how AndIMustScream is commonly misused, so there's a lot of overlap. * |
| 503 | * CareBearStare: An attack powered by positivity, or anti-MindRape? While there's heavy overlap because an infusion of positivity is usually treated as mentally positive, the two are functionally different. * |
| 504 | * DesignStudentsOrgasm: The description is so vague it straight-up says "It's easier to show than to describe, hence the picture." It seems to have been originally going for a specific design style (retro 60s pop-ish?) with lots of ornate abstract flourishes and curlicues, while the Laconic just says "artsy and confusing visuals." Meanwhile the image links show several other design styles as well, and a ton of the examples amount to "this cover design is really artsy". What even is the concept here? * |
| 505 | * DevelopmentHell: When this applies is clear for ''most'' types of works, but the same is not true for video game examples. It's been claimed that {{Vaporware}} is its counterpart for video games (and software in general), but it's also been argued that video games can go through DevelopmentHell without being {{Vaporware}}. * |
| 506 | * EditingWorks: Nonstandard design. The concept (applying edits to raw footage) is very broad, like "hand-eye coordination." * |
| 507 | * FatalMethodActing: The given definition is, "A performer dies suddenly while on the job." There's some ambiguity as to whether the performer has to die as a ''result'' of their job, as the title implies, or if this extends to health mishaps not proven to be caused by their work, which includes many medical examples on the page. There's also some confusion as to whether the "creator" vs "performer" distinction is clear enough to separate it from DiedDuringProduction. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=95116&type=att#comment-274051 Discussion.]] * |
| 508 | * NatureIsNotAToy: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16625791060A70071200 Came up in Trope Talk]] over having an unclear definition that doesn't describe well what the trope actually ''is'', resulting in usage that was noted as being all over the place. Check all 24 wicks. * |
| 509 | * PanderingToTheBase: Whether this is about a cycle among creators who renew/{{retcon}} properties to sway audience opinion in general, or the audience ''themselves'' preferring ContinuityPorn and other story breakouts is unclear. If it's the former, it may be redundant with AscendedFanon and WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants, and if it's the latter, it may need to be split. "Public domain works were OnceOriginalNowCommon in regards to the once-limited focus on shipping, and the creators omit historical accuracy to increase that focus" seems like Trivia, and "The audience will pay attention to retcons, but won't react to them unless they're in sync with a revival/renewal" seems more in line with what [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=yficepja&trope=PanderingToTheBase the YKTTW]] had in mind way back when. * |
| 510 | * PopularityPolynomial: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=759#comment-18975 This comment]] identified the trope as having an unclear definition (and it is worth noting that the trope doesn't really have any criteria for what counts as popular or unpopular the way CondemnedByHistory has), and the trope may also be Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs since media/trends going up and down in popularity is pretty common. If wick checked, 50 wicks need checking. * |
| 511 | * SexIsInteresting: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16779797300A1929310 Came up in Trope Talk]] as the description is unclear if this is about characters who find sex interesting, or about writers who find sex interesting (which is redundant to EverybodyHasLotsOfSex). Check all 34 wicks.* |
| 512 | * ThreeChordsAndTheTruth: Examples don't seem to agree about whether the trope has to do with minimalistic songwriting or deliberately low-fidelity recording techniques. * |
| 513 | [[/folder]] |
| 514 | |
| 515 | [[folder:Unecessary Soft Split]] |
| 516 | * AssociationFallacy: The example section is a mess, with multiple sectioned example lists. Possible split? |
| 517 | * GiantFlyer: Description is currently divided into five different sections, based on what role a giant flying creature has in the story. Should be looked at to see if these need to be merged or split into separate tropes. |
| 518 | * JapaneseBeetleBrothers: It has three internal subtropes, and type C admits it's chairs; it's for when rhino and stag beetles coincidentally co-exist in a work. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16926022500A78768500 Discussed here.]] * |
| 519 | * LeadBassist: Soft-split into four types, with at least two traits being distinct enough for a hard split - 1) The bassist is the lead singer, and 2) The bassist is better known. While the former concept is objective, the latter is obviously YMMV, so this is the exact same issue StopHelpingMe had before AnnoyingVideoGameHelper was split off of it. Additionally, the description and on-page examples have a problem with Administrivia/TypeLabelsAreNotExamples, and there's often overlap between the types -- for example, Music/PaulMcCartney is listed under three types at the same time in both the description (to illustrate overlap between the types) and the example list (regarding his musical career). |
| 520 | * RealisticDictionIsUnrealistic: Has two separate sections, one for realistic diction and another for notable examples of unrealistic diction. May be worth splitting into two tropes. |
| 521 | * {{Youkai}}: This page has a list of folders for multiple different types of youkai creatures, which has grown large enough that most of these folders have their own images, quotes, descriptions, and media example lists. The page is currently so big and bloated, that it ought to be split up into a bunch of new articles for each youkai. * |
| 522 | %% ** As the one who wrote many of those entries,[[note]]As well as Mi'raj and Makara on Minorly Mentioned Monsters before it was cut and I'm not thrilled about my low quality work now being out of my reach for improvement. I would like to see these ones sent out healthier.[[/note]] if this gets picked up, send me a ping (Pfff133). There are definition and scope issues with some of them that would be wise to be looked at before split-off.[[note]]Amanojaku is the worst of them largely because the Oni trope is vastly underdeveloped, but also because to my understanding, amanojaku are uniquely Japanese, but the imagery of them as enemies of the Heavenly Kings is not and in that case, amanojaku should be considered for a split into the Japanese creature and the trampled creature, with overlap where applicable. Would be great if (East) Asian users could chime in here.[[/note]] |
| 523 | [[/folder]] |
| 524 | |
| 525 | [[folder:Combines Too Many Concepts]] |
| 526 | * FantasticFoxes is about a variety of portrayals of foxes in fiction from around the world, from mythical ones to AnimalStereotypes for mundane foxes. * |
| 527 | * TheFourLoves: The point is that the Ancient Greek language had four separate concepts that get lumped together in the one English word "love", the distinction being the object of love and one's relation to it. It's not clearly explained why all four separate concepts should share a trope together -- with separate examples sections, even! -- aside from the fact that Creator/CSLewis once wrote [[Literature/TheFourLoves a book]] about them. It doesn't help that many of the examples are along the lines of "X has familial love for her family..." * |
| 528 | * GoodBadBugs: Lumps funny bugs with exploitable bugs under the umbrella of "good"; conflates the objective fact of the bugs' existence with the player base's subjective opinion of the bugs.[[labelnote:e.g.]]it is objective fact that in ''VideoGame/Portal1'' you can place portals on the wrong side of a wall in what is known as a "portal bump", but it is the playerbase's subjective opinion that this glitch is enjoyable and makes for good {{speedrun}}s[[/labelnote]] * |
| 529 | * HigherSelf: The page describes a superego type concept, but combines both "moral" and "objective" judgements. Listed on Administrivia/DefinitionOnlyPages due to the lack of examples. * |
| 530 | * HumanNotepad: This trope is simply defined as "a character is covered in writing", but the description states that it covers two distinct concepts: helpful notes written on one's arm/hand, and plot-relevant tattoos. These concepts don't seem to have enough overlap (aside from "text on people") to justify them being under one trope, and neither of them requires a character to be ''covered'' in writing. * |
| 531 | * InsectGenderBender: The trope focuses mostly on eusocial insects such as bees and ants being male when they wouldn't be in real life, which sounds like a valid subtrope of AnimalGenderBender. However, it also covers male mosquites drinking blood, which is a completely different inaccuracy and doesn't belong under the same trope. [[Sandbox/InsectGenderBenderWickCheck Wick check here.]] |
| 532 | * LeadIn describes two tropes in the same article: a small story that occurs before the main plot, and a popular television show placed before another program to entice viewers to watch the following program. These aren't internal subtropes - the concepts are too distinct to even be sister tropes (the latter definition is more of a Trivia item). The page is split with the first definition and examples, followed by the next definition and examples. On top of that, it only has 39 wicks. * |
| 533 | * MindRape: The trope seems to have multiple definitions. The first paragraph describes it as a mental/psychic attack to one's mind that is [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything likened]] to actual {{rape|AsDrama}} due to the violation and exploitation of vulnerabilities involved. Then it goes on to include any other forms of torture (including [[ColdBloodedTorture physical]], [[BreakThemByTalking verbal]], and actual rape) that ends up breaking the victim's mind, (usually) causing them to go insane (already covered by DrivenToMadness). * |
| 534 | * OurPresidentsAreDifferent: A trope clump of different "President+X" concepts which could be tropable in their own right, and some of which are already their own tropes. A [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1370868121047376200 previous thread]] timed out before a solution was reached.* |
| 535 | * SameLanguageDub seems to cover two distinct concepts: an actor’s voice being dubbed by another actor during post-production; and a localized dub for a different market in the same language. The latter is possibly redundant to DuelingDubs, and both concepts are trivia. * |
| 536 | * SelfImposedChallenge: Used for both video gamers playing under restrictions that they create themselves, as well as characters InUniverse doing voluntary challenges outside of video games. Since one of these is an objective trope and the other isn't, a transplant to something like "Player-Imposed Challenge" would work. * |
| 537 | * SetAMookToKillAMook: The "status effect" variant and the "circular firing squad" variant are different enough that they should be split, or at least made internal subtropes. * |
| 538 | * SparedByTheCut: The title implies it refers to when a character dies in a deleted scene (a scene that was filmed but ultimately not included) but survives in the final cut. However, it's also used for scenes that are in the script but were never filmed at all, or earlier drafts of a story that were discarded or rewritten. * |
| 539 | * SuperpowerLottery: Random power allocation, or just getting really good powers? The latter would be WonTheSuperpowerLottery (which is a redirect to the trope). * |
| 540 | * {{Telepathy}}: Lumps together MindReading and mind-to-mind communication, which are two different concepts. Might need a split (the former is a redirect). * |
| 541 | * ThoseWackyNazis: Covers many different stereotypical portrayals of Nazis, with no clear narrative meaning. * |
| 542 | * ZombieAdvocate. The page is a mixture of three distinct concepts: humans advocating for ''actual monsters'' (as the title and description suggest); humans advocating for ''any non-human'' (as the page image suggests); and non-humans advocating for ''their own race'' (e.g. a goblin campaigning for goblin rights). * |
| 543 | [[/folder]] |
| 544 | |
| 545 | [[folder:Complaining or gushing]] |
| 546 | * CampUnsafeIsntSafeAnymore: The description amounts to complaining about characters not properly assessing the danger they're in, and most wicks and entries are similarly complaining. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1517416391011032200 A TRS thread]] suggested splitting it into two better defined tropes, but clocked for inaction. * |
| 547 | * CharacterShilling: Attracts complaining and descriptions of audience reactions, despite being classified as an objective trope. Possibly because the term "shilling" used in the title has inherently negative connotations. * |
| 548 | * FanonDiscontinuity: Already subjective, but even then it attracts a lot of complaining about episodes or installments in a given franchise hated by a specific group of people rather than any large scale decision to ignore them by the fans. In particular, it's often used to complain about the perceived "cruel" or "unfair" treatment of certain characters. It's also used to complain about suffering that was [[IntendedAudienceReaction actually portrayed as undeserved and unjustified]], but fans either missed that aspect or knew about it and still disliked it. |
| 549 | * {{Fanservice}}: Its on-page examples were removed in 2011, but attracts gushing in off-page wicks. See relevant discussion [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=93238&type=att here]]. * |
| 550 | * GeorgeLucasAlteredVersion: Attracts a lot of complaining, and many examples are redundant with EnhancedOnDVD, ReCut, {{Bowdlerize}}, and OrwellianRetcon. * |
| 551 | * LoadsAndLoadsOfLoading is frequently used for [[Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike complaining about loading times you can't stand]]. An Image Pickin' thread was started to change an image that wouldn't fuel this notion, but it would be better to give the trope an overhaul. * |
| 552 | * LyingCreator: Possible outlet for complaining about statements being revealed as lies, especially on WMG pages. * |
| 553 | * OpinionMyopia: Complaining magnet for pretty obvious reasons -- it's a SuperTrope to multiple tropes already known for complaining. Probably shouldn't have an example list, especially since most of the on-page examples are general examples with a lot of strawmanning. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13327578050A72722200&page=306#comment-7631 Brought up in the Complaining thread.]] * |
| 554 | * PolishTheTurd: Blatantly subjective, potentially to the point of being FlameBait, but classified as objective without being Administrivia/InUniverseExamplesOnly. Examples are mostly [[Administrivia/ExamplesAreNotGeneral general examples]] that could potentially apply to several works but don't mention any, awkwardly mixed with work-specific and in-universe examples. There's also a folder for tropes; WritingPitfallIndex (previously Bad Writing Index) and ScrappyIndex were brought to TRS in 2020 for complaining issues. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1483351216000577300 There was a thread]] in 2017, but it clocked out without any changes being made; however, a decision to make it Administrivia/InUniverseExamplesOnly had to be overturned because there weren't enough in-universe examples for it to work. * |
| 555 | * PortingDisaster: Used to complain about certain ports of a game, probably due to its title being too negative. The on-page examples seem to be worse than the wicks, suggesting that it should probably be Administrivia/NoOnPageExamples as well. Moving to Darth is also an alternative due to the high inbound count (over 25,000). * |
| 556 | * TheProblemWithLicensedGames: Made specifically to complain about poor quality video games based on licenced properties. Should be moved to [[DarthWiki/ThisExists Darth Wiki]] since it's incredibly out of place on Main. Its inverse, SugarWiki/NoProblemWithLicensedGames, has been on [[SugarWiki/SweetExists Sugar Wiki]] for quite some time. * |
| 557 | * PublicMediumIgnorance: Its description has been cleaned up to remove some complaints that came off as "the general public are uncultured" and the gushing about specific non-mainstream works, but it could still use another look. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13134531370A81899700&page=38#comment-941 Discussed here.]] * |
| 558 | * RandomSmokingScene: Amounts to complaining (mostly by a single editor) about smoking scenes that do not affect the plot, but there are many other reasons for having smoking in a film. * |
| 559 | * {{Sequelitis}}: Almost always used to complain about bad sequels, making it more fit for Darth Wiki than main. |
| 560 | * SilenceIsGolden: Brought up in the TRS thread for [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1595893051094554000&page=2#41 Lull Destruction]] (now called FillingTheSilence), and was seen as potentially gushy. * |
| 561 | * TheThemeParkVersion: Most of the examples are general and complain about the general public not knowing everything, rather than specific works portraying their subjects in a simplified manner. The few non-general examples are salvagable, though. * |
| 562 | [[/folder]] |
| 563 | |
| 564 | [[folder:Products of problematic trope trends]] |
| 565 | * BadassTropes: Suffer from often just being "badass + something else" as a trope, rather than something being badass ''because'' or ''despite'' its attached category, per Sandbox/BadassCleanUp. Said sandbox, a product of a now-locked Project thread, contains several examples of Badass tropes that may need TRS. Some specific examples include: |
| 566 | ** BadassAdorable: What constitutes "adorable" has been brought up in at least [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=109309&type=att one ATT]] as possibly being too subjective. Per the linked ATT: "it's practically become a vague catch-all term for literally anything and everything that a troper finds admirable/likable about a character." Despite this, the trope is not listed as YMMV, and due to the somewhat vague definition (which essentially amounts to "Badass + adorable") and resulting unclear usage may need more serious action as well. 85 wicks need checking. * |
| 567 | * FountainOfExpies subtropes: Discussed at length in [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16196425140A67458000 this]] thread. Most of the subtropes are Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific, and the general consensus is that many fail to distinguish between an archetype with one leading example (AdventurerArchaeologist, TuxedoAndMartini) and a parody/homage that's blatant about its inspiration ({{Notzilla}}, AliceAllusion). It's also difficult to determine what qualifies a character to be an expy -- many examples will stretch to great lengths to call a character a clone, even if there's no obvious relation. The thread has also agreed that {{Expy}} itself needs stronger standards and cleanup, especially with its ill-defined relation to CaptainErsatz. Specific examples include: |
| 568 | ** PracticallyJoker: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16196425140A67458000&page=15#comment-361 Noted]] as having an unclear definition. The lack of connection examples have to the ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'' series was also noted. Check 50 wicks. * |
| 569 | ** TRexpy: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16196425140A67458000&page=13#comment-323 Noted by this comment]] as possibly having many examples with little connection to tyrannosaurus rexes. Overlap with {{Whateversaurus}} was also mentioned. Check 50 wicks. * |
| 570 | ** HulkMashUp: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16196425140A67458000&page=12#comment-293 This comment]] noted that this trope suffers from a poor, unindicative name, and like other FountainOfExpies subtropes it probably suffers from misuse for characters with little connection to the Hulk. A possible reworking into a MonsterSuperhero trope was suggested. Check 50 wicks. * |
| 571 | * PersonalAppearanceTropes: Tropes dealing with appearance of characters often have problems with either tropeworthiness (often just being "character wears X" or "character has X"), or are tropeworthy but are misused in that manner. See Sandbox/AppearanceTropesCleanup for some examples. |
| 572 | * "Stock X" tropes: A [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16599363800A79493000 Trope Talk thread]] (originally about "Stock Animal" tropes) noted that many of these tropes attract Administrivia/ZeroContextExamples and non-noteworthy examples. Also noted was a tendency to split off non-noteworthy subtropes. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16599363800A79493000&page=3#comment-51 This post]], which advocated for a merge into a single "StockCartoonDepictions" trope, identified some specific tropes that suffered from not conveying any specific meaning. |
| 573 | * VideoGameSettings: Some of these settings are listed as exclusive to video games, and are listed as separate tropes from the same settings in other works, but many don't demonstrate a separate interactive purpose that necessitates their own trope. For example, {{Prehistoria}} and GreenHillZone look redundant with HollywoodPrehistory and GhibliHills. The ambiguity is enough that many tropers have already added video-game examples under the non-video-game tropes and vice versa. It's also an index that has ''96'' wicks and is often confused for being a trope in and of itself. |
| 574 | * "X Episode" tropes: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16576823200A92252600 A discussion]] in TropeTalk indicated that many tropes that have the "X Episode" naming scheme often suffer from tropeworthiness concerns, often simply being "episode in which X appears". Specifically: |
| 575 | ** TheFatEpisode: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16576823200A92252600&page=1#comment-7 This comment noted]] that this trope covers two definitions, the first being body positivity [[AVerySpecialEpisode very special episodes]], and the second being any time characters struggle with their weight. A conversion into BodyPositivityAesop was suggested. Check all 38 wicks. * |
| 576 | ** LooseToothEpisode: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16576823200A92252600&page=1#comment-7 This comment noted]] that a character having a loose tooth may not be enough of a break in a show's formula to be tropeworthy as an episode trope. A conversion into a FirstLooseTooth trope was suggested. Check 50 wicks, or all 63. * |
| 577 | [[/folder]] |
| 578 | |
| 579 | [[folder:Multiple tropes]] |
| 580 | * AgentScully and ScullySyndrome: AgentScully is essentially the same thing as FlatEarthAtheist, and suffers from Administrivia/TropeNamerSyndrome. ScullySyndrome has the same problem, except that the definition is unclear. * |
| 581 | * AnimationAgeGhetto ("cartoons exist that are not for children") is essentially the same as WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids ("works that people THINK are for children but are really not") except the former is limited to cartoons and the latter is for any kind of work. And then there is WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids, which ''sounds'' like sarcasm mode for the exact same thing, and it's really "works that ''the marketing department'' THINK are for children but are really not." Oh, and WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForLittleGirls is the same thing but limited to ''female'' kids. So we have four unclearly-named pages dealing with more-or-less the same concept. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1597010610001425500&page=1#comment-19 This post]] from a mod on Administrivia/ImagePickin, while not marked as being posted with the mod hat on, said that WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids and WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids in particular are overdue for TRS threads, with wick checks being necessary for both. |
| 582 | * BestBossEver and BestLevelEver: Both are redirects to subpages, the former to AwesomeBosses.VideoGames, and the latter to Awesome.VideoGameLevels, but both are often treated as though they're AudienceReactions in their own right. In addition, redirects to SugarWiki/SugarWiki pages are usually placed in [=SugarWiki/=] -- multiple [=Main/=] redirects to [=SugarWiki=] pages have been cut due to the auto-disambig system. |
| 583 | * CharlieBrownFromOuttaTown and LoserLeavesTown: Both of the tropes are described as if they were exclusive to ProfessionalWrestling, despite this clearly not being the case. |
| 584 | * DirtyCommunists and RedScare: The difference between these two tropes is not very clear. The former's description is UsefulNotes/ColdWar-specific, though the page quote and some of the examples aren't about that. * |
| 585 | * DontTryThisAtHome and DoNotAttempt: Ridiculously similar in generic usage, even though the {{Stock Phrase}}s they are named for come from different contexts (the "less-than-realistic" distinction is a bit weak). * |
| 586 | * EasierThanEasy and HarderThanHard: There is confusion on whether these mean "one difficulty level is called 'easy'/'hard' and another is ''even easier''/''harder''" (i.e. literally what the titles mean), or it means "a level so easy that losing is impossible"/"a level so hard that losing is inevitable" (as the descriptions suggest), or if both are simply redundant to IdiosyncraticDifficultyLevels (which several examples suggest). |
| 587 | * GettingCrapPastTheRadar, DefyingTheCensors, and CensorDecoy: These refer to decisions made by the creators and rules given by censorship boards, both of which are outside the context of the story and should thus be under Trivia. Related trope SurprisinglyLenientCensor is already Trivia. |
| 588 | * Hit-related Trivia items[[note]]BlackSheepHit, BreakawayPopHit, BreakthroughHit, HitlessHitAlbum, NoHitWonder, OneHitWonder, and TwoHitWonder[[/note]]: The term "hit" refers to how well the work does among audiences, making these AudienceReactions. |
| 589 | * IndecipherableLyrics and SomethingSomethingLeonardBernstein: Both are about lyrics that are barely intelligible, if at all. The only clear difference between the two is that one or two lyrics can be made out with the latter, while the former usually means the whole song is difficult to understand. It's also not clear how these are objective; whether lyrics are indecipherable depends on the listener, and the latter's description says to add the one or two lyrics that can generally be understood. |
| 590 | * "In Hindsight" AudienceReactions[[note]]HarsherInHindsight, HeartwarmingInHindsight, and HilariousInHindsight[[/note]]: Frequently attract examples for coincidences that are either barely related or not related at all, and on AskTheTropers [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=75698&type=att multiple people, including at least one mod, have wondered if these are worth keeping at all.]] |
| 591 | * ItMakesSenseInContext and MakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext: Both describe fanspeak terms instead of tropes, and are major Administrivia/{{Pothole Magnet}}s, not unlike the infamous IAmNotMakingThisUp. |
| 592 | * MoralGuardians related tropes (AnimationAgeGhetto, MurderSimulator (and even the DiscreditedTrope entry on this trope), UltraSuperDeathGoreFestChainsawer3000, RatedMForMoney, TheNewRockAndRoll, NewMediaAreEvil, EveryoneIsSatanInHell) - attract ''a lot'' of complaining. RatedMForMoney shouldn't even be ''about'' MoralGuardians - it should be about ''game devs'' or ''movie studios'' or whatever thinking that higher ratings = more lucrative, and inflating the ratings through contrived means, yet a lot of RatedMForMoney examples still take potshots at MoralGuardians. |
| 593 | * OfficialCouple and OfficialCoupleOrdealSyndrome: The former lacks much in the way of meaning or plot relevancy ("couples exist" is Chairs, and "official" is a meaningless distinction), and seems to only exist for fanatical shippers, while the latter doesn't amount to much more than "bad things happen to couples, except these couples are {{Official Couple}}s" and was made without YKTTW. Both are also indexed under ShippingTropes, at least as of August 13, 2020. * %%These tropes should be split into separate folders and rewritten due to their different problems. |
| 594 | * OffscreenInertia and OffstageWaitingRoom: The description and examples of the former are heavily focused towards audience reactions, but is also written to emulate one of the Laws of Fiction. The latter specifically applies to separated plotlines, which is Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific. |
| 595 | * OneLinerNameOneLiner and DoubleDontKnow: Both of these are Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific to RepeatedForEmphasis, the specifics being that the former includes a person's name between the repeated phrase, and the latter has "I don't know" as the repeated phrase. |
| 596 | * PopCultureUrbanLegends and UrbanLegendOfZelda: Both are classified as Trivia instead of AudienceReactions, despite rumors about works being spread by the ''audience''. Both also already have a decent amount of wicks on YMMV subpages. Discussion about making the latter YMMV came up in its 2017 TRS thread (the former hadn't been launched at the time), but discussion petered out. The latter's description and quote (as of May 16, 2021) also don't clearly indicate that it's about fake hidden content in interactive media (which is what separates it from PopCultureUrbanLegends) and not every video game rumor, despite [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1520724805055649700 a previous TRS thread]] defining it as such. |
| 597 | * RecycledPremise and RecycledScript: Many examples don't have any proof that the idea was recycled, instead relying on similarities between shows with different writers, which is often just the result of the shows using common tropes. Both tropes are also used interchangeably for "work copies from another work" and "work copies from previous installments of ''the same work''", which are two very different things. |
| 598 | * SchizoTech, SchizophrenicDifficulty, and SchizoContinuity: Using schizophrenia as a metaphor for inconsistency is considered offensive on top of being nonindicative, as discussed in the [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16012241180A76966300&page=4#comment-92 tropes with outdated/offensive names thread]]. Renaming "Tech" to something like [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-place_artifact OOPArt]] Tech, Anachronistic Tech, or even the {{portmanteau}} Anachronistech and "Difficulty" to something like Inconsistent Difficulty would fix this. |
| 599 | * Tropes on the {{Trailers}} index: Tropes relating to a work's trailer refer to advertising and not the work itself, but not all of these are marked as Trivia. |
| 600 | * "Tokenism" tropes, such as TheSmurfettePrinciple or TokenBlackFriend. There seems to be confusion about what being a "token" actually means, and it gets confused for when there's only one/two/etc minority characters in a work, regardless of why they're there or how the narrative treats them (for example, a lone female character in a work where the casting wasn't gender-based wouldn't count, as it's just incidental that the character happens to be a female / the ''only'' female. Meanwhile, if in that very same work one character was made gay specifically to be more progressive or representative, that character would be a Token gay character.) Would need an extensive wick check for at least a few of the tropes, if concerned over the whole batch. |
| 601 | * All of the "X-er and Y-er" tropes: DarkerAndEdgier, LighterAndSofter, RuderAndCruder, HotterAndSexier, DenserAndWackier, etc. They're meant to only apply if there's a ToneShift, but people are using them liberally (using "DarkerAndEdgier" to mean "UnexpectedlyDarkEpisode" or "DarkParody" is one such common problem.) |
| 602 | [[/folder]] |
| 603 | |
| 604 | [[folder:Misplaced JFF]] |
| 605 | * EvilOverlordList: Not a trope. Indexed under JFF, but is still in the mainspace along with its subpages. Needs to be either JFF or a work page. |
| 606 | * ReferenceOverdosed: What's the requirement to be defined as "Overdosed"? How is this not subjective and just ShoutOut but ''a lot''? The name also sounds a lot like JustForFun/TropeOverdosed and could do with it being placed in JFF.* |
| 607 | * RulesOfTheInternet: Not a trope. Located in the Main namespace but reads like a Just for Fun page. |
| 608 | * SixDegreesOfKevinBacon: This is a game and not a trope, so it would probably be better suited to JustForFun instead of Main/. * |
| 609 | * Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned: Seems more like a joke than a rule or policy, yet it's on Administrivia instead of JustForFun. * |
| 610 | [[/folder]] |
| 611 | |
| 612 | [[folder:Tropes following deprecated practices (naming schemes, stock phrases, etc.)]] |
| 613 | * Tropes using the word "Trope" as a placeholder, a deprecated practice per Administrivia/NamingATrope (some tropes[[note]]Such as TheAdjectivalSuperhero, AdvancedTech2000, IAmTheNoun, and ParodiesForDummies[[/note]] have been renamed from such titles on these grounds): |
| 614 | ** TheFantasticTropeOfWonderousTitles |
| 615 | ** IMinoredInTropology |
| 616 | ** InWhichATropeIsDescribed |
| 617 | ** TheScottishTrope |
| 618 | ** TheTropeFormerlyKnownAsX - [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1551152317026969600 said]] to be a worthy effort, but denied due to the backlog. |
| 619 | ** TheTropeKid - also has possible issues with scope and context, as mentioned [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1571675147065429000 here]]. |
| 620 | ** TheTropeWithoutATitle |
| 621 | ** TheVonTropeFamily |
| 622 | ** Other titles that ''may'' fall under this: |
| 623 | *** DisneyOwnsThisTrope - besides the naming, it's also poorly defined, with many examples possibly fitting under TradeSnark, OurLawyersAdvisedThisTrope, or even ScrewedByTheLawyers; it noticeably has a list of things Disney owns, much like how The Simpsons Did It (now ItsBeenDone) was used for things that happened on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''. |
| 624 | *** OurLawyersAdvisedThisTrope |
| 625 | *** ThisSongGoesOutToTVTropes |
| 626 | *** TropaholicsAnonymous |
| 627 | *** TropeName |
| 628 | *** TropeyComeHome |
| 629 | *** WellThisIsNotThatTrope: It's often linked to (both via potholes and direct links) on trope pages when the intro describes something and says the trope is not about that. This is despite "joke fulfillment links" being frowned upon as per Administrivia/{{Sinkhole}}. Perhaps the reason is because having the word "trope" in the name leads users to think it's ''actually'' about tropes. Wick check [[Sandbox/WellThisIsNotThatWickCheck here]]. |
| 630 | * StockPhrases and post-mid-2011 names that violate Administrivia/NoNewStockPhrases: |
| 631 | ** AndYouThoughtItWasReal: Was launched in 2016, about five years after the Administrivia/NoNewStockPhrases policy was put in place, so it violates that policy. |
| 632 | ** ForYourPeopleByYourPeople: Only 15 wicks in 9 years. The description is incredibly bare-bones, only consisting of one sentence and one related trope. It also appears to just be a list of quotes. |
| 633 | ** ICantFeelMyLegs: Has a perfectly valid definition of "If a character's legs feel numb, then that means they're about to lose the use of them", yet it's a Stock Phrase, and a few people have used it to mean "A character complains of numbness in legs" even if that character gets better. |
| 634 | ** {{Incoming}}: Not thriving and is simply about people saying the word. OhCrap would cover its use as a warning signal. |
| 635 | ** IThinkYouBrokeHim: Simply lists instances of a specific phrase being spoken, without any consistent meaning or context evident. |
| 636 | ** ItWasThereTheWholeTime: Launched in 2016, after the implementation of the Administrivia/NoNewStockPhrases policy, but has a stock phrase-based name despite that. Also not thriving and doesn't appear to have gone through YKTTW. |
| 637 | ** IveGotAnXAndImNotAfraidToUseIt: Old trope with only a few dozen wicks, plus reads like a list of quotes. |
| 638 | ** OhGodWithTheVerbing: Stock phrase without consistent meaning. |
| 639 | ** TakingItWell: This seems to be a StockPhrase with no actual tropish definition. |
| 640 | ** TheNameIsBondJamesBond: Stock phrase that consists of nothing other than "a character does this". |
| 641 | ** WeAllDieSomeday: Could be a legitimate trope, but as defined now, it's defined as just a stock phrase without indicating the specific narrative purpose for acknowledging mortality. |
| 642 | ** YourMagicsNoGoodHere: Launched in 2013, after the Administrivia/NoNewStockPhrases policy. Tropers/FastEddie [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=ljho3p98mdup2mg3s92jrjg8#comment-zs5184f67fe9cf8 sent it back]] due to this reason, but the page remained for undetermined reasons. The draft that was sent back is called DifferentLawsOfMagic as of November 21, 2021. |
| 643 | * Administrivia/EverythingsWorseWithSnowclones: |
| 644 | ** TheObiWannabe: Redundant snowclone of The Obi-Wan, which was determined to be a duplicate of MentorArchetype and turned into a redirect to it. |
| 645 | * HollywoodStyle (the index itself, not the items contained therein): A Administrivia/SearchGeneratedIndex of tropes fitting the name "Hollywood X". Perhaps should be reworked to be about the "things are done differently in media because people expect it that way" concept that nearly the entire index already fits, but [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1510089130012113100 a 2017 TRS effort]] to this end stalled out due to lack of activity. |
| 646 | [[/index]] |
| 647 | * Several subtropes of ArtisticLicenseBiology still use “Somewhere, An X Is Crying” for their titles, even though [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1391681024005702200&page=3 this was decided against]] [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1402589941023020100 nearly a decade ago]] in favour of the more objective and neutral “Artistic License - X”, which has many more tropes using its naming scheme. Currently, only four subtropes, inconsistently with all the others, use the outdated naming scheme: |
| 648 | [[index]] |
| 649 | ** SomewhereAnEntomologistIsCrying |
| 650 | ** SomewhereAHerpetologistIsCrying |
| 651 | ** SomewhereAMammalogistIsCrying |
| 652 | ** SomewhereAnEquestrianIsCrying |
| 653 | ** PregnancyDoesNotWorkThatWay likewise uses “X Does Not Work That Way” which is also otherwise phased out, even though it was created as recently as 2021. |
| 654 | ** GunsDoNotWorkThatWay: Same as above. Survived [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1606355749064116000&page=1 a 2021 TRS thread with a rename crowner]], and the concern was raised there that “Artistic License - X” can itself be confusing, but renaming all the tropes that use it is probably not worth it. |
| 655 | [[/folder]] |
| 656 | |
| 657 | [[folder:Tropes brought to TLP Crash Rescue with no resolution there]] |
| 658 | |
| 659 | These tropes come from the [[Sandbox/TLPCrashRescueTallies Crash Rescue sandbox]]: |
| 660 | * ArtisticLicenseChildLaborLaws: There were unresolved questions during launch about what qualifies for the trope, especially considering how child labor laws differ from region to region. * |
| 661 | * CastFromCalories and CastFromStamina: Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific to CastFromHP ("different meter, same mechanic"). * |
| 662 | * CasualSportsJersey: Appearance trope, it was suggested that this might be trivia. * |
| 663 | * EverybodyLovesZeus: Bad snowclone of EverybodyHatesHades, has similar issues with the now-cut EverybodyHatesAres. Also launched by a ban evader. * |
| 664 | * FatalMacguffin: Duplicate of ArtifactOfDeath. * |
| 665 | * FlirtatiousSmackOnTheAss: Despite the name, it focuses on both perverted and flirtatious smacks. A split was suggested. * |
| 666 | * FurryLens: Too much overlap with DenialOfAnimality and LionsAndTigersAndHumansOhMy; may be redundant with StylizedForTheViewer. * |
| 667 | * HeritageDisconnect: Might be redundant with TheWhitestBlackGuy. * |
| 668 | * JudicialWig: Appearance trope, literally ''points out in its description'' that it seems like Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs (particularly for those living in Britain or certain Commonwealth countries). * |
| 669 | * MagicalGuide: Incredibly vague; its current definition amounts to "character is a magical helper and ''might'' have these traits", which is Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs. * |
| 670 | * NaziZombies: Might be redundant with {{Ghostapo}}. * |
| 671 | * TheNoisyStraw: Possibly Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs. * |
| 672 | * PovertyPorn: Name isn't quite indicative of what it is, and it has a lot of bad examples as a result. * |
| 673 | * RobotsAreJustBetter: "Robots are shown as better than humans" isn't tropeworthy, the name is a bad snowclone, and the description is both too broad and too vague. * |
| 674 | * SmartAnimalInconvenientInstincts: Duplicate of MyInstinctsAreShowing. * |
| 675 | * TokenImmortal: The description is too vague ("This work has an immortal, but not every single character is immortal") and makes this appear to not be tropeworthy. * |
| 676 | * TurningIntoYourParent: Launched under the assumption that TurnOutLikeHisFather is narrower than the examples actually are. The sponsor even held off from crosswicking this trope due to duplication concerns. * |
| 677 | * XMarksTheSpot: While there are no apparent issues with the definition, the name violates the Administrivia/NoNewStockPhrases policy (while the draft was originally started before the policy was put in place, the trope was officially launched until 2019, about eight years after the policy was put into place), and as a result has some misuse that merely references the trope-naming phrase without actually fitting the definition. * |
| 678 | [[/folder]] |
| 679 | |
| 680 | [[folder:Miscellaneous or multiple issues]] |
| 681 | * Multiple pages on SortingAlgorithmOfTropes: Several pages need wicks and lack examples. Considering that Administrivia/TLPGuidelines states that "Sliding Scale" or "Sorting Algorithm" drafts are discouraged, many of these would likely be better off reworked into an actual trope or removed entirely. |
| 682 | * Multiple pages regarding bad translations: There is unclear scope and potential overlap between BlindIdiotTranslation, TranslationTrainwreck, and LostInTranslation, which leads to misuse. BlindIdiotTranslation had [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16724528400.59676500&page=1 a TRS thread]] for misuse and complaining due to the misleading name -- intended for overly-literal or awkward translations that miss the nuance, with "blind idiot" supposedly being an overly-literal translation of "out of sight, out of mind", it is instead interpreted as "the translators were blind idiots". It was determined that the misuse may be expounded due to confusion about the scope of the other "bad translation" tropes, so the thread was put on hold in favor of [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16746750220A57755200&page=1 a Trope Talk thread]] to resolve these issues. %%The Trope Talk thread has stalled out as of time of editing, so more discussion would be nice. |
| 683 | * AcrophobicBird is both redundant and has a poor name. It is supposed to be when a character who can fly never avoids danger by flying up, only flying away from it. This is Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific to OneDimensionalThinking. Additionally, the name itself is attracting misuse, as its either taken literally (characters who can fly but have a fear of heights) or used interchangeably with IronicFear (which already covers the literal meaning anyway). * |
| 684 | * ActorAllusion: The trope usually refers to Character A making one or a few references to Character B (whom shares the same actor as Character A). The trope is still misused with many examples depicting an actor playing a character who shares many similar traits to another character that the actor has played (usually, this should fall under CastingGag which is often confused with this trope). Some examples also tend to fall under MetaCasting and/or ActorSharedBackground where examples refer to a character sharing similarities with their actor in real life. It's sometimes wicked into the Trivia pages too. |
| 685 | * AnimatedMusical: Does this really need to be a separate trope from TheMusical? The only difference is that they're animated and should be an "Animated Films" subpage of TheMusical instead. Because of this, it's also unclear whether if animated series (whether western animation or anime) also count for this trope as most examples listed are animated films. |
| 686 | * {{Antidisestablishmentarianism}}: Has a fairly low wick count, but not low enough to be considered Not Thriving. An attempt at TRS pointed out that the length of the name may be what's causing the lack of wicks. This may also need a Wick Check to determine if it's used properly. * |
| 687 | * ApocalypseHow: Despite the class number system being depreciated long ago in favor of a scope and severity system, the example subpages weren't altered, resulting in the class numbers still being used on- and off-page (often resulting in [[Administrivia/TypeLabelsAreNotExamples the exclusion of actual example context]]). |
| 688 | * ArentYouForgettingSomeone: The description is unfocused, as it only uses examples as theses for multiple scenarios. Having a StockPhrase title does not help matters for it. * |
| 689 | * AscendedFanfic: The description implies that this is for any story that originated as fanfiction for something, but it contains examples that are actually "fanfiction gets incorporated into official source material", which falls under AscendedFanon. Depending on the severity of misuse, it may need a rename. Additionally, since this trope refers to the production history of a work rather than anything in-story, it should be under Trivia. * |
| 690 | * AuthorUsurpation: Defined as being when a work overshadows the rest of the author's work, which resembles SignatureSong for other media. It only has 21 wicks (likely due to its unclear title) and is erroneously classified as an objective trope. |
| 691 | * AutoTune: Should be split into a UsefulNotes (or {{Trivia}}) page covering the software's use for pitch correction (the software's intended use, which is behind-the-scenes technical information related to sound production and not a trope), and a trope covering its use for distorted vocals (which the software wasn't originally intended for, but caught on not long after it was released). * |
| 692 | * BackstabBackfire: Meant to involve a ''literal'' backstab that backfires--more specifically, the villain taking another swing at the hero despite the former sparing their life, and getting immobilized/killed, but some on-page examples/the majority of examples off-page use it in the ''figurative'' sense (i.e. ChronicBackstabbingDisorder or ILied without any involvement of mercy), even if the backstabbing spans the whole story. It's also been used in cases where the villain is just a CombatPragmatist[=/=]CorneredRattlesnake, and isn't necessarily trying to get one last shot at the hero so much as trying to usurp them for a title or breaking out the big guns. The root issue seems to be a combination of the name not being indicative enough, and a Administrivia/MissingSupertrope, where a villain tries to invoke the role of a KarmicTrickster but fails for obvious reasons. * |
| 693 | * BottomlessBladder: Seems to be redundant with NobodyPoops and also has a title that could easily be confused with BladderOfSteel. |
| 694 | * CastingGag: Like IronyAsSheIsCast and ActorSharedBackground, this trope relies on out-of-universe context to know why a specific casting choice is a "gag". That makes it trivia, because it isn't a direct storytelling trope, and similar tropes are classified as such. It's [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/relatedsearch.php?term=Main/CastingGag commonly mistaken]] for a trivia trope, as well; around 500 of its ~2,800 wicks are in the trivia namespace. In addition, it is often confused with ActorAllusion. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1506039262085437400 A previous TRS thread]] was closed due the large amount of wicks (35000+) that ActorAllusion has for some examples to change into the CastingGag trope as well as a crowner glitch. |
| 695 | * CharacterizationTags: It's in Main/, yet reads more like an Administrivia page on how not to do things. Also appears to be a decent Administrivia/PotholeMagnet due to many of its wicks simply being potholes to any character tags. * |
| 696 | * CharacterRosterGlobalWarming: The short (and vague) description seems to define the trope as a game series' number of {{Mighty Glacier}}s staying the same while the rest of the roster grows, but many examples either don't match the definition or are blatant shoehorning. The concept itself also seems too arbitrary to be tropeworthy, and the low example and wick count don't help its case. In fact, it appears that the page exists solely for the global warming pun (because global warming melts glaciers, get it?). |
| 697 | * CommonKnowledge: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16629239780A06931200&page=1 Discussion]] on an attempted cleanup indicated that this trope may not be tropeworthy, attracts misuse for niche and obscure "common knowledge" as a result, and is redundant with FandomEnragingMisconception. Check 50 wicks. * |
| 698 | * CoolOfRule: It's classified as an objective trope even though the idea that "something cool is even more cool if it is accomplished within an understood set of rules" reads like a subjective judgement. Also, it's starving at only 17 wicks. * |
| 699 | * CrapsackWorld: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=112743&type=att This ATT]] discovered that the description has been watered down over the years in a way that has led to the trope becoming overly vague and inviting complaining about works that don't actually have a setting in a horrible world, making this both a description and complaining issue. 108 wicks need checking. * |
| 700 | * {{Creepypasta}}: As briefly discussed [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=97661&type=att here]], the page is very oddly used - it's simultaneously trying to be a genre page and a works page, complete with subpages. Some pages for subgenres list tropes associated with the genre, but troping individual, unrelated works (as creepypasta is currently doing) seems out of line. The genre description could also use reassessment to make sure it lines up with how the word "creepypasta" is used outside the wiki these days. * |
| 701 | * CrossoverAlternateUniverse: A confusing description with examples that overlaps with both FusionFic and IntercontinuityCrossover (oddly enough, it isn't linked to either), in addition to both a low wick count and low on-page example count. * |
| 702 | * DamnYouMuscleMemory: "Different games' control schemes result in [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_transfer_(memory) negative transfer]]" is a clear enough definition, but there's no ''scope'' to it--as currently written, ''VideoGame/AnimalCrossingNewLeaf'' somehow causing someone to push the wrong buttons in ''VideoGame/{{Hatred}}'' would be as valid of an example as if it caused someone to push the wrong buttons in ''VideoGame/AnimalCrossingWildWorld''. Relatedly, it probably should be YMMV. * |
| 703 | * DidYouThinkICantFeel: An old StockPhrase trope where a lot of examples don't actually use the phrase. Having an extremely convoluted Administrivia/ExampleAsAThesis as the description doesn't clarify matters. |
| 704 | * {{Dogfaces}}: This seems to be a trope largely based around specific Creator/{{Disney}} media properties, and lists tropes specific to those works as if the page is a work itself. It does seem to appear in some other works, but needs to be described in a way that's not Disney-specific. * |
| 705 | * EasyLogistics: This seems to have been intended to represent one of the AcceptableBreaksFromReality commonly found in videogames. However, way too many of the examples listed are aversions, especially in the non-videogame sections. Most of these should probably be split out as one or more new tropes. * |
| 706 | * ElementalPowers: This is often used in conjunction with subbulleting tropes, which is not allowed. * |
| 707 | * {{Entrance}}: Extremely overbroad term with an unhelpful description and only 4 wicks, which is tiny even for a Administrivia/DefinitionOnlyPage. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=101815&type=att ATT query]]. |
| 708 | * EvilIsNotPacifist: An aversion-only trope; might be better under a trope where villains ''are'' pacifists so that straight examples can be listed. |
| 709 | * FliesEqualsEvil: Despite its name, it covers flies signifying ''death'' in addition to flies signifying evil. These concepts are distinct enough to be separate tropes, especially since flies can signify deaths that were caused by something that isn't evil, like the terrain of a location. Additionally, this trope frequently gets misused as "evil flies" instead of "flies signify evil", so it might need a cleanup. * |
| 710 | * FurriesAreEasierToDraw: Listed in Main/, but it reads more like meta-commentary on why animal characters are easier to draw than human characters, which would make it either a Useful Note or Trivia (if acknowledged by the creator). * |
| 711 | * GameMod: Has a tendency to be wicked on VideoGame pages or Trivia subpages with a list of fan mods even though derivative works should not be mentioned on the parent pages (plus it's not a Trivia trope). Needs a cleanup and possibly a move to UsefulNotes. |
| 712 | * GameplayAndStoryIntegration: Actually a redirect to SlidingScaleOfGameplayAndStoryIntegration, but it's frequently used as though it's a distinct trope -- most wicks are for the redirect and not sliding scale's main page. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=60177&type=att It's been pointed out]] that it ''was'' a separate trope at one point; revisiting this idea may be worth looking into. * |
| 713 | * GayPanic: Redundant with HideYourLesbians which is a main trope. Entries are a mix of unconfirmed speculation, discussions of the fandom believing this to be the case (aka YMMV), and shipping-related complaining. It also gets misused for characters panicking about being seen as gay, likely due to the offsite usage of the term refers to a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense legal defense]] about violently responding to perceived gay advances. A wick check should further evaluate how far the misuse goes. * |
| 714 | * GodwinsLaw: This has over 900 wicks, but it doesn't have a single example on-page. Yet it's not listed as "definition only." So what is it, precisely, and why is it here? |
| 715 | * HumanPopsicle: Though a trope about time-travel through cryogenics, the title is broad enough to imply it's about any form of full-body freezing. Additionally, the Sandbox/HumanPopsicleWickCheck found that there's also a good amount of examples that may or may not count, depending on the exact requirements of the trope. |
| 716 | * The HistoryOfAnimation pages: combines the histories of WesternAnimation (specifically American animation) and animation from other countries including {{Anime}} (specifically their impact in the west) with the tropes mostly focusing in the former. This makes it hard to distinct whether if some the tropes listed also applies to non-western animation. This is especially the case with MediaNotes/TheMillenniumAgeOfAnimation as non-western animation like anime has been more well defined and distinctive from Western Animation during the era that it should probably have its own page regarding their history and tropes in the era (or perhaps make a useful notes page regarding the entire history of anime [=and/or=] their history in western culture). In addition, MediaNotes/TheMillenniumAgeOfAnimation also has several tropes that fall under YMMV (with some hidden tropes that complain about the issues regarding the animated films and series during the era). |
| 717 | * TheJerkIndex: This page is currently written as a SelfDemonstratingArticle, which has resulted in many (rather cringey) trope descriptions styled with exaggerated examples of over-the-top {{jerkass}} behavior (and lots of unnecessary profanity). Some editors also seem to think that this page is interchangeable with the {{Villains}} index (which does have some overlap, but isn't quite the same thing), and some of the tropes listed might have been shoehorned in. |
| 718 | * JerksAreWorseThanVillains: The trope is supposed to be, as Administrivia/SquarePegRoundTrope puts it, "an AudienceReaction phenomenon where audiences tend to react more negatively to general {{Jerkass}} characters doing minor stuff to annoy the hero than to actual villains who commit heinous crimes." However, despite the exclusion of HateSink or InUniverse examples, it is misused for both. Notably, the misuse already started appearing on the very first day of the trope's existence. It is also often used for complaining, making this both a misuse and complaining issue. The description has also been [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1426750858042389600&page=156#comment-3877 noted]] as being excessively long. 50 wicks need checking. * |
| 719 | * LaterInstallmentWeirdness: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16544771620A94105000 A Trope Talk thread]] noted that the concept is inherently flawed--being possibly too subjective and in some works may not be applicable due to series-wide changes. Valid portions of the definition have also been [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16544771620A94105000&page=1#comment-16 noted]] as being already covered by tropes like DenserAndWackier, CerebusSyndrome, BreakingOldTrends, JumpingTheShark, and {{Flanderization}}. 50 wicks need checking. |
| 720 | * TheLawsOfMagic: Barely any on page examples and only 4 wicks for a trope from 2012. |
| 721 | * LevelBreaker: No evidence that this term even exists. It's a Administrivia/DefinitionOnlyPage, supposedly due to complaining, but there is no evidence for even making it a Definition-Only Page in the first place. * |
| 722 | * LGBTFanbase: On the page itself, examples seem to be spilt between "work has a queer following due to (accidental or otherwise) LGBT representation", and one-handed troping about hot characters, in addition to your standard [=ZCEs=] aplenty that plauge older tropes on this site. According to [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=109941&type=att this ATT]], there are also problems with Administrivia/TropeDecay where it is used for any work that has an LGBT fanbase, even if they are vastly outnumbered by the rest of the fanbase. * |
| 723 | * UsefulNotes.MisplacedNationalism: Description goes on and on about how mentioning any nation on the internet will always start a flame war that can never be stopped. It's also in the UsefulNotes namespace for some reason, despite reading like a "web trope" from back when the wiki's standards were lower. * |
| 724 | * MoneyMakingShot: The term used in the film industry is "intended SignatureScene, which is heavily put into trailers and posters", but the description describes it as an audience reaction rather than an advertising decision. Could use a rewrite to fit the more widely-known definition. * |
| 725 | * {{Mummers}}: As-is, this is a genre/format, but it's almost impossible to find real life examples and it would be impossible to make pages for those works, so it is currently listed on Administrivia/DefinitionOnlyPages. However, the definition could be isolated to InUniverse, like SchoolPlay, where examples and works can be verified. * |
| 726 | * MysteriousAnimalSenses: The page only allows aversions and subversions, but it's not listed on Administrivia/NoStraightExamplesPlease. As discussed [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=17032774440.22554600&page=1#comment-16 here]], the original draft was about two distinct concepts: animals having senses that are at least on par with humans (which is covered by UnexpectedlyHumanPerception), and animals having better senses than humans in all regards. * |
| 727 | * NakedPeopleAreFunny: The trope is supposed to be nudity played for laughs, but halfway through the description suddenly becomes a separate topic about Nudism in general, regardless of comedy. (Maybe a Administrivia/MissingSupertrope?) It doesn’t help that a very large percentage of the examples seem to be [=ZCEs=] along the lines of “Character is naked!” * |
| 728 | * NameMcAdjective: Is attracting misuse (it's important that the last half of the surname be an ''adjective'', but it's seeing use where the last half is a noun, and plenty of examples that are just "names with the Mc- prefix exist"), and even the correct definition may be Chairs. A very low wick count as well, though not quite low enough to not be thriving (94 wicks). |
| 729 | * NewYorkIsOnlyManhattan: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16482629540A47190800 Brought up in Trope Talk]] as being mostly aversions, and possibly not common enough to stand on its own as a trope. There are only 54 wicks, so all can probably be checked. * |
| 730 | * NoDeadBodyPoops: Currently defined as an aversion-only trope where dead bodies ''do'' poop; it should probably be redefined in the positive instead. |
| 731 | * SugarWiki/NoProblemWithLicensedGames: Despite Sugar Wiki stating that tropes on that wiki there don't go under YMMV, this note seems to be ignored for this trope and is pretty much put under every YMMV page for works in any other medium that have a tie-in game, or the YMMV page for the tie-in game itself whenever its [[TheProblemWithLicensedGames opposite trope]] isn't true. * |
| 732 | * ObjectShows: Requesting a tropes list as it wasn't added for the TLP but this is necessary since, across all works associated with the mainpage, there are many shared tropes that need heavy elaboration on in order to understand the shows. |
| 733 | * OlderThanTheDemographic is YMMV, but the ages of a work's protagonist and target audience are both objective facts. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16878058680A37494300 Discussed here.]] Its inverse, MatureWorkChildProtagonists, ''is'' classified as objective. * |
| 734 | * OnlyInMiami: The title makes it seem like a subtrope of OnlyInFlorida, but the description says it's about media treating Miami like it's the only city in Florida, and most of the examples are just stating that a work takes place in Miami at all, with only a few that actually fit the description. It also only has 76 wicks as of writing this, despite having been created in 2008, with about half as many examples on it's main page. * |
| 735 | * PropRecycling: Unlike RecycledSet (involving behind-the-scenes budget restraints), the concept of an initially work-specific single prop becoming more widely used is often a {{homage}} to the previous work, and many on-page examples call this out in-universe anyway. Even when budget restraints necessitate redecorating of the prop, it's in an ''interactive'' sense with the audience/characters: cameos and WholeCostumeReference respectively. Toys and Advertising are obvious exceptions, which likely ''is'' a genuine Trivia concept, but it would need to be split. * |
| 736 | * RealLifeWritesThePlot is an index, but is treated like a trope, most likely being confused for SerendipityWritesThePlot. There may also be misuse issues for works that don't have plots. * |
| 737 | * ReviewerStockPhrases: Contains a lot of general examples, some of which can verge into either praise or panning. Also of note: there used to be a viewer counterpart (Viewer Stock Phrases), but that was cut a while back. * |
| 738 | * TheRoast: Contains a trope list for specific roasts, as if it's a work page ''and'' a trope page. Common tropes should be folded into the description, while the specific roasts and roast series should be given their own work pages. * |
| 739 | * {{Rule50}}: 28 wicks since 2013, just above the bare minimum for a healthy trope, but it has lacked on-page examples despite not being listed on Administrivia/NoOnPageExamples. There is one YMMV wick, which shows that the description may be too vague as to wether if it's an audience reaction or not. |
| 740 | * {{Sampling}}: Due to a requirement on the page that states, "Examples should be either non-straight, due to the widespread use of it, or particularly notable." The latter clause violates [[Administrivia/ThereIsNoSuchThingAsNotability a long-standing rule on the wiki]], and leads to [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=684#comment-17085 confusion over which samples count as "notable."]] * |
| 741 | * SatireParodyPastiche: Despite being listed as a trope in Main, the page is actually written as a guide as to the differences between the three. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1426750858042389600&page=215#comment-5356 A Definition-Only conversion was suggested.]] Check 50 wicks. * |
| 742 | * SelfInsertFic: It's been discussed [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13226024250A77804400&page=95#comment-2373 in the ZCE thread]] that this trope is hard to contextualize without diving into troping the author themself (Administrivia/{{Auto Erotic|Troping}} or otherwise), and seems to be conflating a few related concepts. Perhaps turning it into a genre index would help alleviate this. * |
| 743 | * SelfPlagiarism: A creator's work is heavily derived from at least one of their previous works, which is a meta concept that involves multiple works, so it should be Trivia. Also, despite the word "plagiarism", a lot of examples are just when the work reuses ''anything'' from one of the creator's previous works, however small it may be. * |
| 744 | * SensoryAbuse: Lends itself a bit to complaining, but is also written very oddly, with a list of forms this trope can take, whereas a majority of the examples in the Sandbox/SensoryAbuseWickCheck focus on sound -- possibly due to the old title, "Ear Rape". It's questionable if many of the examples are intentional, and we might be able to split the in-universe examples off. |
| 745 | * ShoutOutToShakespeare: No longer a trope -- it's a redirect to a ReferencedBy subpage for Creator/WilliamShakespeare (ReferencedBy.WilliamShakespeare). Despite this, it still has several wicks, and since the target page is in the [=ReferencedBy/=] namespace, doing Administrivia/WickNamespaceMigration from Main.ShoutOutToShakespeare to ReferencedBy.ShoutOutToShakespeare (with wicks pointing to ReferencedBy.WilliamShakespeare instead) would keep inbounds while preventing it from being used as a trope. Compare the Main.HowDoIUsedTense redirect to UsefulNotes.{{Tenses}} being moved to UsefulNotes.HowDoIUsedTense. * |
| 746 | * SingleIssueWonk: It seems viable as an Administrivia/InUniverseExamplesOnly trope similar to BerserkButton, so it should allow on-page examples ([[Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease but no real life examples]]). The description is a bit too Internet-centric, likely due to starting life as troping RealLife users instead of characters and its frequent usage in the forums to report users with a narrow-minded editing agenda. * |
| 747 | * STDImmunity: The page is a mixture of subversions, aversions and straight examples. Aversions may be better under a different trope. * |
| 748 | * TheStationsOfTheCanon: Only allows general examples, which is the ''opposite'' of site policy. * |
| 749 | * TechPoints: The trope's name requires familiarity with its Trope Namer, leading to its underuse. It has only 96 wicks and about 40 or so on-page examples. A rename should probably clarify what the trope is about. |
| 750 | * ThereAreNoTherapists: Defined in the negative, like the now-cut Nobody Over 50 Is Gay. While it isn't indexed under Administrivia/NoStraightExamplesPlease, it's listed as a [[TropesInAggregate trope in aggregate]] like Nobody Over 50 Is Gay, and it has a lot of aversions (which Nobody Over 50 Is Gay was ''solely'' for). Aversions may be redundant with TheShrink, which is for when therapists ''do'' appear. * |
| 751 | * ToothyIssue: Written more like an index page. It has no on-page examples, but does have 82 wicks. As an index, it'd be redundant with TeethTropes. * |
| 752 | * ToyShip: Trope is FanSpeak when it really shouldn't be, considering "fans ship kids together because it's cute" isn't at all a non-tropable thing. In addition, [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1298396469056140100 the TRS thread]] that made the trope fan speak was originally a TRS thread for splitting the in- and out-of universe uses between ToyShip and PuppyLove, with the decision to make the former fan speak coming out of left field near the end of the thread, where it barely got any discussion. Because of this, it's still treated as a trope by the rest of the wiki, and over 500 of its 723 wicks are from YMMV pages. |
| 753 | * VampireDetectiveSeries: Low wick count, but not enough to count as "not thriving"; this also seems to be too narrowly specific and could be expanded into a general "Supernatural Detective" trope. * |
| 754 | * {{Worldbuilding}}: [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16543489230A19189200 This Trope Talk thread]] discovered that this trope may be an OmnipresentTrope that doesn't need examples, as it is far too common in works. 50 wicks need checking. * |
| 755 | [[/folder]] |
| 756 | |
| 757 | [[folder:Tropes determined to ''not'' need TRS]] |
| 758 | These tropes have had potential issues brought up before, but discussion has indicated that they don't need help. If you think a new issue has come up with any of these tropes, make sure to do the footwork to confirm this before adding it again. |
| 759 | ---- |
| 760 | * {{Nosebleed}}: Despite the seemingly-overbroad name, wick checks show it is reliably used correctly, to refer specifically to nosebleeds resulting from sexual arousal. |
| 761 | * UncertainAudience: It was suspected that this YMMV trope got misused for "this work wasn't targeted at me." But a [[Sandbox/UncertainAudienceWickCheck wick check]] found that the majority of examples did use the trope correctly and simply needs a cleanup, not TRS. |
| 762 | * SchoolForScheming: It was thought that the trope name might be ambiguous with AcademyOfEvil, but a [[Sandbox/SchoolForSchemingWickCheck wick check]] found no such misuse. |
| 763 | [[/folder]] |
| 764 | [[/index]] |
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