History YMMV / VampireTheRequiem

** As the first "New World of Darkness" gameline after the end of the world for the Old World of Darkness, ''Requiem'' was going to face a ''lot'' of this no matter what they did. Ironically, a common complaint is that ''Requiem'' [[ItsTheSameSoItSucks is]] ''[[ItsTheSameSoItSucks too much]]'' [[ItsTheSameSoItSucks like]] ''Masquerade'', to the point where the Second Edition was loaded with changes to both make the mechanics better and establish the game as its own entity.

* AwesomeMoments - In the original edition, The Ordo Dracul's Coils of the Dragon were passive disciplines that modified the dragons existing state, making easier to be a vampire. this was considered to be a step in the right direction towards the Ordo's goal of transcendence. In Blood and Smoke: The Strix Chronicle, The Coils will be Proof that the Ordo can, will, and do succeed in transcending the Vampiric Condition.

** As the first "New World of Darkness" gameline after the end of the world for the Old World of Darkness, ''Requiem'' was going to face a ''lot'' of this no matter what they did. Ironically, a common complaint is that ''Requiem'' is ''too much'' like ''Masquerade'', to the point where the Second Edition was loaded with changes to both make the mechanics better and establish the game as its own entity.

*** And by "how well they're treated", it's implied that any ghouls recruited by the Brood are already just as evil as the Brood vampires...so the Brood vampires are happily helping evil ghouls indulge their vices.

** A relatively mild example: independent Moroi (see CripplingOverspecialization). Most are kept on a short leash by the Ordo Dracul; most of the rest were killed. However, this means logically that there are those of the bloodline that didn't want to be leashed killers, enough that they refused...and survived. Meaning there are creatures out there powerful, cunning, or just plain tough enough to avoid targeted destruction at the hands of an entire covenant. This is actually discussed--bringing in or bringing down such creatures is sometimes tasked to disposable coteries that are more trouble than they're worth--but the ''implications'' aren't really delved into in-text.

* JerkassWoobie / TheWoobie: Any vaguely sympathetic vampire probably qualifies.

** The Ghouls. It's hidden right on the surface, but when you make a Ghoul, you ruin a persons life as thoroughly as any addiction. The horror is explored in the Ghoul splatbook, with a Ghoul so desperate that he drinks the menstrual blood of another, recently fed, ghoul. But otherwise the horror you wreck on this person is just implied.

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The Brujah becoming the Bruja could very well be this for any player of ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' transitioning over to the new setting; aside from being downgraded from a full-fledged clan to a bloodline, the original Brujah were revolutionaries who shaped history with uprisings, activism and passion, rebels, punk rockers, working tirelessly to improve society. ''Vampire The Requiem'''s Bruja? Are a psychopathic criminal biker gang who proudly uphold greed and sloth as values and makes money by taking part in things like prostitution, drugs-trafficking and illegal arm trading for profit. [[AlwaysChaoticEvil All of them]]. It was clearly done to streamline the clans along with many other, more well-received changes, and the Gangrel in the new setting can serve more or less the same purpose, but it does come as a bit of a slap in the face to some older players in order to make a hamfisted attempt to add vampires similar to those from ''Film/FromDuskTillDawn''.

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The Brujah becoming the Bruja could very well be this for any player of ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' transitioning over to the new setting; aside from being downgraded from a full-fledged clan to a bloodline, the original Brujah were revolutionaries who shaped history with uprisings, activism and passion, rebels, punk rockers, working tirelessly to improve society. ''Vampire The Requiem'''s Bruja? Are a psychopathic criminal biker gang. All of them. It was clearly done to streamline the clans along with many other, more well-received changes, and the Gangrel in the new setting can serve more or less the same purpose, but it does come as a bit of a slap in the face to some older players in order to make a hamfisted attempt to add vampires similar to those from ''Film/FromDuskTillDawn''.

* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: In the novel ''The Marriage Of Virtue And Viciousness'', an elder speaks of what he's learned from talk radio:
-->"I’ve learned that even our malignance and evil has been surpassed by some mortal sect calling themselves ‘Democrats.’"

* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: The opening fiction for ''Ghouls'' is the story of a beaten and broken ghoul being teased viciously by his regnant, the stereotypical [[EvilIsSexy female vampire]] (withholding blood, doing torture, withholding sex, etc). After a look into his thoughts about his life and times with her, the ghoul begins to think about betraying her by trapping her in a room exposed to sunlight. Cue the Kindred's appearance: someone seems to have already tried to do that to her. Now she's beaten and broken as well, and then she begins to call on her loyal ghoul for help seeking shelter while regenerating her immortal wounds. He does, completely discarding his treacherous plan.
** At the end of ''Gangrel'', Alice [[spoiler: drains her nephew Little Jack dry]], then, in despair, [[spoiler: Embraces him]]. The story is continued in ''Nosferatu.''
** See YouAreWorthHell.
** The Burakumin may look terrifying but their history is quite sweet. After spending hundreds of years being treated as scum by other Kindred, these guys help Japan recover after WWII and as a result have finally gained the respect they deserve.

** Which is explored in ''[[PrometheanTheCreated Pandora's Book]]'', which suggests a few ways for crossover-interested Storytellers to work with post-Katrina New Orleans.

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The Brujah becoming the Bruja could very well be this for any player of VampireTheMasquerade transitioning over to the new setting; aside from being downgraded from a full-fledged clan to a bloodline, the original Brujah were revolutionaries who shaped history with uprisings, activism and passion, rebels, punk rockers, working tirelessly to improve society. VampireTheRequiem's Bruja? Are a psychopathic criminal biker gang. All of them. It was clearly done to streamline the clans along with many other, more well-received changes, and the Gangrel in the new setting can serve more or less the same purpose, but it does come as a bit of a slap in the face to some older players in order to make a hamfisted attempt to add vampires similar to those from FromDuskTillDawn.

** A relatively mild example: independent Moroi (see CripplingOverspecialization). Most are kept on a short leash by the Ordo Dracul; most of the rest were killed. However, this means logically that there are those of the bloodline that didn't want to be leashed killers, enough that they refused...and were powerful enough to avoid destruction. This is actually discussed--bringing in or bringing down such creatures is sometimes tasked to disposable coteries that are more trouble than they're worth--but the ''implications'' aren't really delved into in-text.

** If it matters, the original supplement's suggested outcomes for such a story were much more positive than how things actually came out.

* {{Narm}}: 'Twilight Projection'[[note]]Auspex 5[[/note]] doesn't make your player character appears in ''[[{{Literature/Twilight}} that awful book]]'', nope.

* {{Narm}}: 'Twilight Projection'[[hottip:*:Auspex 5]] doesn't make your player character appears in ''[[{{Literature/Twilight}} that awful book]]'', nope.

* MagnificentBastards: Many characters could qualify, but half of [[MonsterLord the Ventrue]] actually run on this.

* UncannyValley: The lower the humanity, the closer a Kindred is to this.

* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: The opening fiction for ''Ghouls'' is the story of a beaten and broken ghoul being teased viciously by his regnant, the stereotypical [[EvilIsSexy female vampire]] (withholding blood, doing torture, withholding sex, etc). After a look into his thoughts about his life and times with her, the ghoul begins to think about betraying her by trapping her in a room exposed to sunlight. Que the Kindred's appearance: someone seems to have already tried to do that to her. Now she's beaten and broken as well, and then she begins to call on her loyal ghoul for help seeking shelter while regenerating her immortal wounds. He does, completely discarding his treacherous plan.

* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Goes without saying, though the Nosferatu discipline of Nightmare is, as might be inferred, an excellent example.
** Notably, there's ''Cymothoa Sanguinaria'', a hideous parasite from ''Wicked Dead''. Once it infects a mortal host, it begins usurping control of the body, driving the host to seek out blood. As time passes, the parasite takes full control, leaving the host's consciousness aware but powerless, forced to watch everything the parasite does. And that's not getting into how exactly it ''spawns''... Based off a real-life parasitic isopod, ''Cymothoa excigua'', that commonly replaces fish's tongues.
** And then there's the Strix. When facing off against [[TheUnfettered purposeless]] [[TheLegionsOfHell demons]] is the ''least'' of your problems with them, shit gets real.

* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: The opening fiction for ''Ghouls'' is the story of a beate n and broken ghoul being teased viciously by his regnant, the stereotypical [[EvilIsSexy female vampire]] (withholding blood, doing torture, withholding sex, etc). After a look into his thoughts about his life and times with her, the ghoul begins to think about betraying her by trapping her in a room exposed to sunlight. Que the Kindred's appearance: someone seems to have already tried to do that to her. Now she's beaten and broken as well, and then she begins to call on her loyal ghoul for help seeking shelter while regenerating her immortal wounds. He does, completely discarding his treacherous plan.

** Here's the kicker: the vampire is the ghoul's biological daughter. She ghouled her own father during the early days of her Embrace because she wanted a loving family member to help her get through her new state of existence! Say it with me now: [[YourMileageMayVary Awwwwwwwww~!]]